Remembering Sonora Matancera
ze...@sonic.net
Matancera, mostly with Celia Cruz, and mostly
on Seeco, I am remembering what was so
engaging about this music. Even though there
is kind of a subdued quality compared to
todays relative lack of musical inhibitions
there is a wonderful musical richness to this
music. What is most striking about this music
is the incredible variety of subtly distinct
Afro-Cuban forms. In spite of the fact that
the conguero is so "mininal" and Lino (the
pianist) is so sparce, and Papaito (or
whoever else may have been on Pailas at the
time)is so tasteful, they manage to make
almost every composition seem like it is
referring to a unique rhythmic source. The
tunes are relatively short so you get to hear
many different compositions and this variety
must have been essential for such a
repitoire. It is a great source of
inspiration for anyone interesting in
composing.
Take the tune that I mentioned in another
thread: "Y Mi Negro Esta Cansao" for example.
Aside from this unique piano montuno
(1-5-4-5) both the conga part and the
"palito" that accompanies it are ever so
unique making this whole composition seem
like some kind of exotic Afro-Cuban form and
dance that I cannot quite identify. It is not
exactly a merengue, and not exactly like
anything I have heard before. It is
tantalyzingly mysterious, beautiful,
inspiring, and intriguing. Celia on Secco
with Sonora Matancera, check it out.
Zeno
MARCANE
Marcané is Arturo Gómez
Yo si son de la loma pero estoy en el llano rajando la leña
Música es la mejor medicina
La verdad es la verdad....Más mentiras no quiero
It's OK to think, no one has to know
ze...@sonic.net
Sonora Matancera?
Zeno
GARYP59
Unfortunately, the cd came with nothing more than the titles and composers of
the compositions. Does anyone have any information on this oneż It is certainly
an older recording, having been digitally remastered. I would really like to
know who accompanies her on this recording as well as how old it is.
Azucar!@#$%^&*
ze...@sonic.net
GARYP59 wrote:
I always assumed that was Sonora Mantancera material. It is classic. Some of
those things probably go back to late 50s.
Zeno
GARYP59
for me to listen to most of the older recordings and truly enjoy them. This
recording is one exception. I have a fair collection of Celia's works, and this
is the one of her older recordings I would recommend.
ze...@sonic.net
GARYP59 wrote:
Absolutely! It is one of my favorites. Alot of the melodies that run through my
mind come from that record. I think alot of the depth and pride that comes
through is because it is afterall "Homenaje A Los Santos". For some reason that
particular tune "Guede Zaina" just grabbed my attention, what an exotic thing that
is. So glad that this album has been reissued. I am still listening to my original
vinyl copy purchased in the S.F. Mission along time ago. I believe I have a
volume two of this material as well. It is good , but not quite as definitive as
this particular collection. Another Celia/Sonora Matancera tune that I always
liked (and based my own arrangement on) is Bajo La Luna, that old Arnmando
Orefiche number. Lino Frias is such a special (what would be the word for a
montuno player) montunero, montunist, monteanero???? All in all, Sonora Matancera
showed the way for many of us back when those recordings were some of the only
good Afro Cuban music we could get our hands on out here in California.
Zeno
GARYP59
"Homenaje de los Santos"(ż?) The cd that I have is a PolyGram Latino US
(Polvdor) issue. Perhaps I have the vol.# 2 that You talk about.The #'s on this
one are:
1. Yemaya
2. Oyeme Agayu
3. Plegaria A La Roye
4. Oya, Diosa y Fe
5. Chango Ta' Veni
6. Saludo A Elegua
7. Lalle, Lalle
8. Agua Pa' Mi
9. Elegua Quiere Tambo
10. Imoye
11. Para Tu Altar
12. Nuevo Ritmo Omelenko
ze...@sonic.net
GARYP59 wrote:
> You mention a # called "Guede Zaina". This does not appear on my copy of
> "Homenaje de los Santos"(¿?) The cd that I have is a PolyGram Latino US
> (Polvdor) issue. Perhaps I have the vol.# 2 that You talk about.The #'s on this
> one are:
> 1. Yemaya
> 2. Oyeme Agayu
> 3. Plegaria A La Roye
> 4. Oya, Diosa y Fe
> 5. Chango Ta' Veni
> 6. Saludo A Elegua
> 7. Lalle, Lalle
> 8. Agua Pa' Mi
> 9. Elegua Quiere Tambo
> 10. Imoye
> 11. Para Tu Altar
> 12. Nuevo Ritmo Omelenko
You are missing two or three from the vol. 1 LP. I have a "Baila Yemaya" on vol.1
which may or may not be your "Yemaya". BTW an interseting footnote of trivia is
that the source material for the artwork on the cover of the LP comes from a
photograph taken by Earl Leaf (famous 40s Hollywood photographer visiting Cuba)
and which appeared in his book "Isles Of Rhythm".
The obscurity of "Guede Zaina" now gives me all the more motivation to have "Zeno
and his Magic Montuno Machine" do a "cover" of it. Won't be quite the same
without Celia though.
-Bongoboy
Santa Salsera
>
> GARYP59 wrote:
>
> > I assumed the same - Sonora Matancera. Beautiful, crisp songs. It is difficult
> > for me to listen to most of the older recordings and truly enjoy them. This
> > recording is one exception. I have a fair collection of Celia's works, and this
> > is the one of her older recordings I would recommend.
>
> Absolutely! It is one of my favorites. Alot of the melodies that run through my
> mind come from that record. I think alot of the depth and pride that comes
> through is because it is afterall "Homenaje A Los Santos". For some reason that
> particular tune "Guede Zaina" just grabbed my attention, what an exotic thing that
> is.
Can someone tell me what other tunes are on this particular album?
thanks,
Fab
Santa Salsera
Ok, nevermind (about the song titles).
-Fab (oops)
ze...@sonic.net
Santa Salsera wrote:
>
>
> Can someone tell me what other tunes are on this particular album?
>
"Homenaje A Los Santos"
Seeco SCLP 9269
Volume 1:
Oyeme Aggayu, Plegaria A "La Roye",Oya - Diosa Y Fe, Guede Zaina, Chango Ta Vine,
Saluda A Elegua// Lalle lalle, Para Tu Altar, Agua Pa'Mi, Baila Yemaya, Elegua Quiere
Tambo, Lacho.
SCLP-9281
Volume 2:
Africa, Baho Kende, Matiagua, Rinkinkalla, El Congo, Chango// Mata Siguaraya, La Danza
Del Coyote, Yembe Laroco, Palo Mayimbe, Camadde, Mulense.
Seeco 9312
"Homenaje a Yemaya"
yemaya, virgen de la macarena, ritmo-tamo y flores, chango, imoye, yerbero moderno//
burundanga, taina, pap boc, mi cocodrilo verde, facundo, la clave de oro.
note: the title "Facundo" (song with lyrics) on this LP says composer is Eliseo Grenet,
On Facundo Rivero's LP "Piano Caliente" he credits himself with its composition
(instrumental-same melody).
I slave for you Ms. Muse, (except for getting lazy about caps)
Zeno
ze...@sonic.net
ze...@sonic.net wrote:
Then again thanks, muse that you are, I having a major revelation re- listening to all
these old Seecos with Celia!
Zeno
Santa Salsera
Just doing my job, uh, sir.
-Fab Friday
Gato viejo
intact -OK NEW!- but $6.99. "Best Of Celia Cruz Con Sonora Matancera" on Rhino
Record label, 1997. Very impressed with what I've got here. The liner notes
provide substantial information, which is always a plus, but no lyrics. But THE
MUSIC!@#$%^&*
Here I go again with Celia!!! MY GOD, LIFE is GOOD!! - Like being in a
greenhouse full of blooming orchids******. Cannot put it into words>>>>one
needs to listen to it - punctual, spontaneous, passionate, spirited, picante,
sacudida.
Tunes are as follows:
1) Ritmo, Tambo,y Flores
2) Elegua Quiere Tambo
3) Tu Voz
4) Burundanga
5) Melao DE Caña
6) Juancito Trucupey
7) Saoco
8) Mi Soncito
9) No Encuentro Palabras
10) Me Voy A Pinar Del Rio
11) Chango Ta' Veni
12) La Cumbanchera De Belen
13) Ritmo De Mi Cuba
14) Caramelos
15) El Que Siembra Su Maiz
16) Mango Mangüe
17) Suavecito
18) Oye Mi Rumba
19) Retozón
Azucar!!!!
tum...@telus.net
a
>greenhouse full of blooming orchids******. Cannot put it into words>>>>one
>needs to listen to it - punctual, spontaneous, passionate, spirited,
picante,
>sacudida.
> Azucar!!!!
and Aché!!!!
Yambu
>> Here I go again with Celia!!! MY GOD, LIFE is GOOD!! - Like being in
>a
>>greenhouse full of blooming orchids******. Cannot put it into words
>......
(whereupon he proceeds to put it into words..........)
>>...... - punctual, spontaneous, passionate, spirited,
>>picante,
>>sacudida.
>>
>> Azucar!!!!
>
>and Aché!!!!
>
and cheap!!!
-Mike Doran
ze...@sonic.net
Gato viejo wrote:
> Found a new(for me)CD, albiet "used", with the wrappings and tamper proof tapes
> intact -OK NEW!- but $6.99. "Best Of Celia Cruz Con Sonora Matancera" on Rhino
> Record label, 1997. Very impressed with what I've got here. The liner notes
> provide substantial information, which is always a plus, but no lyrics. But THE
> MUSIC!@#$%^&*
> Here I go again with Celia!!! MY GOD, LIFE is GOOD!! - Like being in a
> greenhouse full of blooming orchids******. Cannot put it into words>>>>one
> needs to listen to it - punctual, spontaneous, passionate, spirited, picante,
> sacudida.
> Tunes are as follows:
> 1) Ritmo, Tambo,y Flores
> 2) Elegua Quiere Tambo
> 3) Tu Voz
> 4) Burundanga
> 5) Melao DE Caña
> 6) Juancito Trucupey
> 7) Saoco
> 8) Mi Soncito
> 9) No Encuentro Palabras
> 10) Me Voy A Pinar Del Rio
> 11) Chango Ta' Veni
> 12) La Cumbanchera De Belen
> 13) Ritmo De Mi Cuba
> 14) Caramelos
> 15) El Que Siembra Su Maiz
> 16) Mango Mangüe
> 17) Suavecito
> 18) Oye Mi Rumba
> 19) Retozón
>
> Azucar!!!!
I wonder if this means that Rhino now "owns" the old Seeco catalog? They seem to
have access to alot of great stuff. I have tried to find out more but have not
gotten very far. There was a rumor that maybe they are sitting on the old Jubilee
material as well (this includes the great out of print "Jungle Fantastique" by
Bobby Montez ! one of the great early latin-jazz recordings).
Zeno
César N. Díaz
>Absolutely! It is one of my favorites. Alot of the melodies that run through my
>mind come from that record. I think alot of the depth and pride that comes
>through is because it is afterall "Homenaje A Los Santos". For some reason that
>particular tune "Guede Zaina" just grabbed my attention, what an exotic thing that
>is.
"Guede Zaina" is one of my favorites and also Celia's. A Haitian
co-worker once told me that it is a Creole religious song. A great
tune.
César N. Díaz
>
>I wonder if this means that Rhino now "owns" the old Seeco catalog? They seem to
>have access to alot of great stuff. I have tried to find out more but have not
>gotten very far. There was a rumor that maybe they are sitting on the old Jubilee
>material as well (this includes the great out of print "Jungle Fantastique" by
>Bobby Montez ! one of the great early latin-jazz recordings).
>
>Zeno
>
Don't know about the Jubilee material, but, I think the Seeco catalog
is owned or managed by West Side Record of New Jersey.
I'd like to know who owns the Cortijo/Gema catalog and why somebody
doesn't clean those tapes and re-issue these musical jewels already.
Maelo and Cortijo deserve better than sporadic, shitty releases.
tum...@telus.net
>Maelo and Cortijo deserve better than sporadic, shitty releases.
I've had a heck of a time finding them on CD
ze...@sonic.net
"César N. Díaz" wrote:Don't know about the Jubilee material, but, I think the Seeco
catalog
> is owned or managed by West Side Record of New Jersey.
>
> I'd like to know who owns the Cortijo/Gema catalog and why somebody
> doesn't clean those tapes and re-issue these musical jewels already.
>
> Maelo and Cortijo deserve better than sporadic, shitty releases.
Besides Cortijo, I recall other rare gems on the Gema label, including some early
Santero material by Justi Barreto. Another label of great insterest in Maype. You
know anything about what happened to that one?
Zeno
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
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Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
My Home Page http://www.dmreed.com features my musical autobiography with
audio files and photos of groups I have worked with from the late 50s to the
present and includes rare 1960s recordings by pianist Carlos Federico and
1970s photos of Celia Cruz and Pete Escovedo along with selected LP and CD
recordings and my Latin music collection of CDs, LPs, tapes, books, and
instructional materials which includes recordings and images of rare printed
materials. Information about the US-International Keyboard (WINDOWS 95/98)
and a large printable keyboard image is also included.
<ze...@sonic.net> wrote in message news:38EB7405...@sonic.net...
GARYP59
the old record covers of nine albums, with Seeco prominantly displayed on each
one, all classics of Celia and Sonora Matancera. Then at the bottom of the
back, Rhino is most prominantly marked as well. I know I have seen at least
three of these recordings available for sale in CD form in recent years. Ok, on
the back it is also stated,"All selections licensed from West Side Latino
Records Corp. This Compilation "P"(circled) & "C"(circled) 1997 Rhin
Entertainment Company.
The previous CD that I made mention of, "Homenaje A Los Santos", says on
the back, "1994 PolyGram Records, Inc. Under license from WEST SIDE LATINO
Manufactured and marketed by PolyGram Latino U.S., a division of PolyGram
Records, Inc.
For whatever it's worth.
Gary, (alias) Gato Viejo
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
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Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
My Home Page http://www.dmreed.com features my musical autobiography with
audio files and photos of groups I have worked with from the late 50s to the
present and includes rare 1960s recordings by pianist Carlos Federico and
1970s photos of Celia Cruz and Pete Escovedo along with selected LP and CD
recordings and my Latin music collection of CDs, LPs, tapes, books, and
instructional materials which includes recordings and images of rare printed
materials. Information about the US-International Keyboard (WINDOWS 95/98)
and a large printable keyboard image is also included.
"GARYP59" <gar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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ze...@sonic.net
"Dennis M. Reed \"Califa\"" wrote:
> if you like Celia, you might also like Linda Leida
I mostly like her in these earlier recordings with Sonora Matancera. Besides
her great voice one hears these succinct arrangements which as I mentioned
earlier are coming from a whole wide range of Afro Cuban (and other) sources.
I am very intrigued with how these arrangements achieve so many suggestions of
different forms by such subtle means. Slight variations in piano montunos,
slight changes of rhythmic pattern played on one conga, punctuations by a
unique and versatile "pailas" player, and subtle changes in bass tumbao give
rise to an incredibly rich pantheon of Afro Cuban grooves, seemingly ancient
and mysterious in their rich African heritage. The particular 3 LP recordings I
was referring to contain many tunes which are right there on the edge of the
folklorical/orisha material. There is some wonderful 6/8 playing involving not
only the singing and percussion, but also the piano and the rest of the band.
Seems like you hardly hear these kinds of diverse interpretations today.
Zeno
tum...@telus.net
Abel wrote in message ...
>>Sorry for going off topic, but the liner notes and covers were a real part
>of the whole music-buying experience, at least for me.
Yeah. I grew up in the seventies. I can still remember saying, "What
the...?! Only two posters?!"
Abel
can't do boleros, but Y Volveré from La Ceiba y la Siguaraya and Vieja Luna
from Celia and Johnny disprove that in a big way. All around, top to bottom,
they don't make'em like her any more. And you're enjoying her in her heydey.
Then again, the woman has been consistently great even after the Sonora
period. Her career may be one long heydey.
She hit some clinkers like Sugar Sugar and that awful version of La Dicha
Mía done in English for the Mambo Kings movie, which fits because that movie
destroyed en excellent novel. Still, Quimbara and the rest outweigh the
clinkers by a bunch. Same with Rubén B, which is why I put up with Tiempos,
which admittedly had some great lyrics. Now he wants to do Irish salsa or
something like that. Don't know, guess it's cool to explore, but his
strongest stuff has been salsa. I wish he'd do another Antecedente or
Caminando-type recording.
Ayyayyay, ya me salí del tema otra vez. As my uncle says, sorry con excuse
me.
Gato viejo <gato...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Abel
so cheap? I'd knock those things for them for 50 bucks a pop and could turn
them around in a weekend.
Shoot, that's one of the reasons I miss LPs, besides the aesthetic of a big
cover image-who can forget Apollo Sound 6 with the fold-out front cover
showing Roberto playing bongos with sticks and his wild bell-bottoms or Ray
B's fold-out congas on Barretto? And of course the Willie Colon FBI poster
cover.
Sorry for going off topic, but the liner notes and covers were a real part
of the whole music-buying experience, at least for me.
César N. Díaz <gbau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:14:50 GMT, ze...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I wonder if this means that Rhino now "owns" the old Seeco catalog? They
seem to
> >have access to alot of great stuff. I have tried to find out more but
have not
> >gotten very far. There was a rumor that maybe they are sitting on the old
Jubilee
> >material as well (this includes the great out of print "Jungle
Fantastique" by
> >Bobby Montez ! one of the great early latin-jazz recordings).
> >
> >Zeno
> >
>
Abel
class
are Celeste Mendoza and Merceditas Valdés. But based on their recordings
they don't seem to be as well rounded.
Plus no one attacks a montuno like Celia.
Yolandita Rivera is pretty good but I could never get into her nasal voice
100 percent.
India showed potential on her first album but since then doesn't seem to
have evolved as a sonera nor does she show the interest to, but she's
getting the money. That I understand to an extent.
Lucrecia is very good, so is Haila Mompié and Vannia Borges of Bamboleo has
a lot of talent. She does hip quotes of spiritist Mass chants, changes
around old bolero quotes to fit numbers and has tons of flavor, she roars. I
hear good things about Maylin but have no idea where to buy her stuff.
Lucrecia's is only available thru Spain. Tried amazon.uk but couldn't find
it.
Most of the other female singers in salsa have high, thin voices ill-suited
for the crushing percussion and blaring horns. But they're mostly all
ex-freestyle singers so you can't expect much.
Dennis M. Reed "Califa" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in message
news:%TVG4.171044$8k3.8...@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com...
> if you like Celia, you might also like Linda Leida
>
> --
> -------------------------------
> Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
>
> My Home Page http://www.dmreed.com features my musical autobiography with
> audio files and photos of groups I have worked with from the late 50s to
the
> present and includes rare 1960s recordings by pianist Carlos Federico and
> 1970s photos of Celia Cruz and Pete Escovedo along with selected LP and CD
> recordings and my Latin music collection of CDs, LPs, tapes, books, and
> instructional materials which includes recordings and images of rare
printed
> materials. Information about the US-International Keyboard (WINDOWS 95/98)
> and a large printable keyboard image is also included.
>
> <ze...@sonic.net> wrote in message news:38EB7405...@sonic.net...
> >
> >
> > Gato viejo wrote:
> >
tum...@telus.net
Abel wrote in message ...
kaysee
Cuban girl singers haven't done it for me. . .
kaysee
Abel wrote in message ...
>Plus no one attacks a montuno like Celia.
tang...@yahoo.com
tangent90
tum...@telus.net
>
>> Don't forget Graciela.
There are incredible pictures of machito's band from 1947 (Graciela,
Mangual, Nieto, Bobby Rodriquez...) at this site:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/wghtml/wghome.html
Downbeat Photographer William P Gottlieb
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
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> Lucrecia is very good,
Is this the Lucretia with the CD "Prohibido" on Magic Music recorded in
Spain in 1996? If so, thanks for reminding me, I don't know where I got it
and I haven't listened to it for a couple of years. It has some nice tunes
with a wide range of styles including one of the fastest merengues I have
ever heard (and it uses the old merengue pattern we played back in the 60s!)
and a salsa romantica, a bolero, is the 5th tune "La noche de la iguana" a
guajira/son/son-montuno (I don't know after my long discussion with Curtis)
whatever it is it is a moving tune, a trova nueva?, an interesting and
moving big band rumba with a very strong bomba by the bass and a bass drum,
a balada, and one I might consider to be jazz with just her and the piano.
Thanks again for reminding me about this gem!
How about Candi Sosa, Lita Branda or Arabella?
ze...@sonic.net
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
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Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
My Home Page http://www.dmreed.com features my musical autobiography with
audio files and photos of groups I have worked with from the late 50s to the
present and includes rare 1960s recordings by pianist Carlos Federico and
1970s photos of Celia Cruz and Pete Escovedo along with selected LP and CD
recordings and my Latin music collection of CDs, LPs, tapes, books, and
instructional materials which includes recordings and images of rare printed
materials. Information about the US-International Keyboard (WINDOWS 95/98)
and a large printable keyboard image is also included.
<tum...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:6HfH4.10529$eh.9...@news.bc.tac.net...
> >tum...@telus.net wrote:
> >
> >> Don't forget Graciela.
kaysee
only on the radio) by La India has just sounded "whiney" to me - and I mean
pitch/timbre, not lyrics. I think I just have a hard time accepting female voices
which are not Celia . . ..
kaysee
tang...@yahoo.com wrote in message <38ED7F32...@yahoo.com>...
César N. Díaz
part:
>Tried it, didn't move me the same. The only women I've heard in Celia's
>class
>are Celeste Mendoza and Merceditas Valdés. But based on their recordings
>they don't seem to be as well rounded.
>Plus no one attacks a montuno like Celia.
You forgot Caridad Cuervo to whom Celia herself gives credit as one
her earlier influences.
>
>Yolandita Rivera is pretty good but I could never get into her nasal voice
>100 percent.
>
Frankly, me neither.
>India showed potential on her first album but since then doesn't seem to
>have evolved as a sonera nor does she show the interest to, but she's
>getting the money. That I understand to an extent.
>
A flash in the pan?
tum...@telus.net
>wow! how did you find this site? thanks for sharing.
Street during the Bebop era...
My favorites are Machito with Bobby Rodriguez towering over the band...
tum...@telus.net
>Any real Celia fan would appreciate these CDs which I found at Columbia
>House and with a single purchase of a CD at regular price, these CDs were
>just $7.03 including shipping. They are on the Barbaro label and issued in
>1995.
Columbia House? Unbelievable! I was a member when I was a kid. I got a $10
stereo for free just for joining, but I think I sent back everything else...
MARCANE
one
her earlier influences.>>>>
I am surprised you wrote that as you are more knowledgeable than that, perhaps
it was just reversed in writing..
Celia WAS the influence on Caridad Cuervo, Celia was already established as a
star with La Sonora when Celia took a 13 year old Caridad Cuervo under her
tutelage.
By the way......is is true you are moving to the Big D, Walleeeeece country???
Marcané is Arturo Gómez
Yo si son de la loma pero estoy en el llano rajando la leña
Música es la mejor medicina
La verdad es la verdad....Más mentiras no quiero
It's OK to think, no one has to know
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
Radio Progreso which contain material from 1950 through 1956. The last four
CDs are with Sonora Matancera. The first CD has her with Orq de Ernesto
Duarte, Orq de Senen Suarez, Orq Riverside, Orq de Carlos Ansa, two with
just Lino Frias on piano, and two with Tambores Bata.
The quality of the recordings is pretty decent considering that they are
copied from old tapes(?). Some have a live audience and some seem to be
studio only.
Any real Celia fan would appreciate these CDs which I found at Columbia
House and with a single purchase of a CD at regular price, these CDs were
just $7.03 including shipping. They are on the Barbaro label and issued in
1995.
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tum...@telus.net
>I heard Celia first, and now I am spoiled. And everything I have heard
(admittedly
>only on the radio) by La India has just sounded "whiney" to me - and I mean
>pitch/timbre, not lyrics. I think I just have a hard time accepting female
voices
>which are not Celia . . ..
Which song did it for you?
César N. Díaz
>César wrote>>>You forgot Caridad Cuervo to whom Celia herself gives credit as
>one
>her earlier influences.>>>>
>
>I am surprised you wrote that as you are more knowledgeable than that, perhaps
>it was just reversed in writing..
>
>Celia WAS the influence on Caridad Cuervo, Celia was already established as a
>star with La Sonora when Celia took a 13 year old Caridad Cuervo under her
>tutelage.
Nope, it wasn't a typo. I thought I heard someone said that once, I
knew there was a conecction between the two, I just misrepresented it.
I stand corrected. Thank you. Next time, I'll call you first.
>
>By the way......is is true you are moving to the Big D, Walleeeeece country???
>
No, I decided not to move. I'm trying to find something else here or
in nearby Jersey. Nothing wrong with Arlington, but, it's not NYC.
Besides, Wally has the Latin Music market already cornered to himself.
No room for competition.
ze...@sonic.net
tum...@telus.net wrote:
Celia . . ..
>
> Which song did it for you?
There was a time when her original "Caramelos" was something I played for
anyone who walked in the door all the time raving about how incredibly cool it
was with the coro coming in on '4'.
Zeno
Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
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Dennis M. Reed "Califa"
My Home Page http://www.dmreed.com features my musical autobiography with
audio files and photos of groups I have worked with from the late 50s to the
present and includes rare 1960s recordings by pianist Carlos Federico and
1970s photos of Celia Cruz and Pete Escovedo along with selected LP and CD
recordings and my Latin music collection of CDs, LPs, tapes, books, and
instructional materials which includes recordings and images of rare printed
materials. Information about the US-International Keyboard (WINDOWS 95/98)
and a large printable keyboard image is also included.
<tum...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:XwwH4.11761$eh.9...@news.bc.tac.net...
> Dennis M. Reed "Califa" wrote in message ...
>
> >Any real Celia fan would appreciate these CDs which I found at Columbia
> >House and with a single purchase of a CD at regular price, these CDs were
> >just $7.03 including shipping. They are on the Barbaro label and issued
in
> >1995.
tum...@telus.net
ze...@sonic.net wrote in message <38EF7675...@sonic.net>...
>There was a time when her original "Caramelos" was something I played for
>anyone who walked in the door all the time raving about how incredibly cool
it
>was with the coro coming in on '4'.
>Zeno
the aforementioned "Música Santera". Of the Fania, I think "Ritmo en el
Corazón" (with Ray B.) and "La Ceiba" (with Sonora Ponceña) burn the
hottest.
ze...@sonic.net
have seen this great tune on a CD, which I may also have somewhere, but I
cannot put my hands on it at the moment. Descarga.com is a good way to search
out a tune title to find what things are currently available. I often go the
Descarga.com and do a search to find tunes on records in my own collection,
since I forget sometimes where I have it. I had always wondered on what other
LPs or Cds that great tune would be on, and I remember it being in a few
places. It is a great classic and must be on something currently available.
Zeno
Wallice
> I like India. She gets a bum rap here.
Bum rap? I think most people just plainly don't like her. Period.
I like Trina Medina Choco Orta, Millie Quezada, and Olga Tañon (among
others).
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Saludos,
Wallice
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"If it only takes a second to die,
then it is also enough to change"
Abel
But is she a sonera?
Is she in Celia's league?
Can she mess with Lucrecia over a hot montuno? Or Vannia Borges? Sin
papelitos, sin cuadernos, sin múltiples tomos sin productor para aconsejarla
o escribirle los soneos?
I think we both know the answer to that. And that was the criteria for what
I was saying about her. Did you hear the new record? Uyyy! Flat and
uninspired. She needs to make up with Sergio George.
<tang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:38ED7F32...@yahoo.com...
> I like India. She gets a bum rap here. Candi Sosa's good too.
>
> tangent90
>
> kaysee wrote:
> >
> > At last! Someone who agrees with me! And he can explain why, too!
Even the new
> > Cuban girl singers haven't done it for me. . .
> > kaysee
> >
> > Abel wrote in message ...
> > >Plus no one attacks a montuno like Celia.
Abel
that, you have to let them go on at least 2 or 3 tracks.
What CDs do you recommend by these others? Never heard of any of them.
Wallice <wall...@arsnova1.com> wrote in message
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> "tang...@yahoo.com" wrote:
> > I like India. She gets a bum rap here.
>
Abel
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:27:40 -0400, "Abel" <adel...@fast.net> wrote in
> part:
>
> >Tried it, didn't move me the same. The only women I've heard in Celia's
> >class
> >are Celeste Mendoza and Merceditas Valdés. But based on their recordings
> >they don't seem to be as well rounded.
>
> her earlier influences.
>
> >
tum...@telus.net
Abel wrote in message ...
favorite.
César N. Díaz
Yeah, "liquid Cuervo".
César N. Díaz
>Cool, got a CD you recommend by Cuervo?
>César N. Díaz <gbau...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
No, unfortunately, I can't. I went down my basement and pulled out two
LP's by Caridad:
"Caridad Cuervo Con El Grupo De Pachito Alonso" (EGREM-AREITO LD-3904)
and
"Hoy Canto A Cuba" Caridad Cuervo con el Conjunto Caney on a 1980
Colombian issued LP ( Discos Orbe Ltd. ARS 17025 )
If you e-mail me your address, I'll be glad to dub them into a
cassette and send it to you.
César