Re: [ot] West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>I have to say that I'm noticing what for me is a somewhat disturbing
> trend in "journalism" where these articles don't even name the
> "reporter".
> The telegraph.co.uk is also doing this.
> The telegraph story I posted (Adolf Hitler was a German football coach,
> say one in 20 children) named no reporter or press "service".
> I'm kind of old-fashioned and like to see names and not "By Haaretz
> Service". What the hell is that supposed to be?
> Who's writing this stuff?
>
at last, a rare, GOOD POINT!
>
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Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
Babylonian evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
Israel History
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a Biblical
reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being validated by the
evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. ...
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IMHO the following "religious" opinion/interpretation is as bad as the
interpretations of the Quaran used by Islamic terrorists...note that the
first sentence describes Teitel as a terrorist.
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> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126890.html
>
> Last update - 10:18 09/11/2009
> West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel
> By Haaretz Service
> Tags: West Bank rabbi
>
> Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel,
> a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to
> kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
>
> Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the
> Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even
> babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
>
> Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the
> Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
>
> "It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are
> not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we
> kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven
> commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing
> wrong with the murder."
>
> Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi
> Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers.
>
> � Copyright Haaretz. All rights reserved
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
if so, I would like to ask why you do not approve?
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Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
Babylonian evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
Israel History
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a Biblical
reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being validated by the
evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. ...
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"�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
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>I have to say that I'm noticing what for me is a somewhat disturbing
> trend in "journalism" where these articles don't even name the
> "reporter".
> The telegraph.co.uk is also doing this.
> The telegraph story I posted (Adolf Hitler was a German football coach,
> say one in 20 children) named no reporter or press "service".
> I'm kind of old-fashioned and like to see names and not "By Haaretz
> Service". What the hell is that supposed to be?
> Who's writing this stuff?
>
>
>
> �
> Do you hate Arabs?
> Birobidjan. Welcome back, number 13!
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
were an advocate of free speech?????
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Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
Babylonian evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
Israel History
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a Biblical
reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being validated by the
evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. ...
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"�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
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> My opinion is that this person should not be on that land.
>
>
> �ｿｽ
> Do you hate Arabs?
> Birobidjan. Welcome back, number 13!
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
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> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
> news:eaxKm.11535$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad:
>
>> thinking further about this rabbi...are you against his opionion?
>>
>> if so, I would like to ask why you do not approve?
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>> Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological
>> evidence found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
>>
>> Babylonian evidence:
>> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291
> &pagena
>> me=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>>
>> Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
>> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
>>
>> Israel History
>> http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
>> Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a
>> Biblical reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being
>> validated by the evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the
>> Babylonian Chronicles. ...
>> ==================================================
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:AFkKm.190819$ua.1...@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>I have to say that I'm noticing what for me is a somewhat disturbing
>>> trend in "journalism" where these articles don't even name the
>>> "reporter".
>>> The telegraph.co.uk is also doing this.
>>> The telegraph story I posted (Adolf Hitler was a German football
>>> coach, say one in 20 children) named no reporter or press "service".
>>> I'm kind of old-fashioned and like to see names and not "By Haaretz
>>> Service". What the hell is that supposed to be?
>>> Who's writing this stuff?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> �ｿｽ
>>> �ｿｽ Copyright Haaretz. All rights reserved
>>
>>
>>
>
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
his opinions? is it that he is, at least, a Jew by religion?
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do you hate the real semitic Jews?
Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
Babylonian evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
Israel History
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a Biblical
reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being validated by the
evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. ...
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"�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
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> You thought right.
> �
> Birobidjan. Welcome back, number 13!
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
>
> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
> news:W7BKm.30666$1g6....@newsfe10.iad:
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>> hummmmmmmmm....I thought that might be your answer.... but I thought
>> you were an advocate of free speech?????
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological
>> evidence found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
>>
>> Babylonian evidence:
>> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291
> &pagena
>> me=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>>
>> Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
>> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
>>
>> Israel History
>> http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
>> Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a
>> Biblical reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being
>> validated by the evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the
>> Babylonian Chronicles. ...
>> ==================================================
>>
>> "�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:bJAKm.157603$uO.2...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> My opinion is that this person should not be on that land.
>>>
>>>
>>> �
>>> Do you hate Arabs?
>>> Birobidjan. Welcome back, number 13!
>>> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
>>> news:eaxKm.11535$Xf2....@newsfe12.iad:
>>>
>>>> thinking further about this rabbi...are you against his opionion?
>>>>
>>>> if so, I would like to ask why you do not approve?
>>>> ==================================================
>>>> Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological
>>>> evidence found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
>>>>
>>>> Babylonian evidence:
>>>> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291
>>> &pagena
>>>> me=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>>>>
>>>> Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
>>>>
>>>> Israel History
>>>> http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
>>>> Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a
>>>> Biblical reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being
>>>> validated by the evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the
>>>> Babylonian Chronicles. ...
>>>> ==================================================
>>>>
>>>> "�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
>>>> news:AFkKm.190819$ua.1...@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>I have to say that I'm noticing what for me is a somewhat disturbing
>>>>> trend in "journalism" where these articles don't even name the
>>>>> "reporter".
>>>>> The telegraph.co.uk is also doing this.
>>>>> The telegraph story I posted (Adolf Hitler was a German football
>>>>> coach, say one in 20 children) named no reporter or press
>>>>> "service". I'm kind of old-fashioned and like to see names and not
>>>>> "By Haaretz Service". What the hell is that supposed to be?
>>>>> Who's writing this stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> �
>>>>> � Copyright Haaretz. All rights reserved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Dennis M Reed "Califa"
"�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
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>> so why would you deny the fellow the right to be on that land and to
>> state his opinions? is it that he is, at least, a Jew by religion?
>
> would entitle him to "immigrate" to Palestine.
ok
> I wanted to get your take on "converts" to "Judaism(Talmudism)" who are
> atheist having a "right of return".
> It's aburd, of course.
you did not say how you know that they are atheists???
>
> To answer your question:
> In my opinion, this person is criminally insane. He does NOT belong
> there because he and others like him are the PROBLEM. They are, if you
> will, the disease. Suicide bombers are just the symptom of this disease.
ok but you still have not said anything about why your palestinians have a
right to the land of Israel...why is that?
>
> Having said that, I will say which Jews I think should be allowed in any
> of those lands and treated with courtesy and respect:
>
> "Religious Jews" like http://www.nkusa.org/
> And these guys are Talmudic! They spoke out against Zionism early on.
>
> Any Jewish "Israelis" (whether "religious" or "atheist") who have
> demonstrated that they stand for justice and not tribalism. There are
> some Israeli Jews who take videos of Palestinians being abused by the
> IOF. These people risk a lot.
>
> Jews (whether "Khazarian", "religious", "atheist", etc) who work for
> justice should be allowed because they've EARNED their place there.
is this the new null? up to now I do not recall any Jews having a right to
be in Israel?
>
> The NUTJOBS should be transferred to Birobidjan (at their expense).
> I don't know what the Birobidjan Jews are like. They for the most part
> may be decent people. I hate to flush the toilet on them without knowing
> who they are, but so be it. It's the best solution right now. I strongly
> suggest building a WALL around Birobidjan once the newcomers arrive so
> the bastards won't sneak back out.
>
based upon your attitude towards Jews in general, why would you inflict the
NUTS on Birobidjian? what have the Birobidjianians done to the your beloved
Palestinians?
> �
> Birobidjan. Welcome back, number 13!
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
>
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>>
>> you did not say how you know that they are atheists???
>
> It's no secret.
>
I, for one, do not take Marrs as any kind of authority!
> Here's a rabidly pro-Israeli blog's take on it.
> What Attracts Atheist Jews To Israel
> http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-attracts-atheist-
> jews-to-israel.html
>
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism (Jewish atheism)
> A high percentage of Israelis identify themselves as secular, rejecting
> the practice of the Jewish religion (see Religion in Israel).
>
> Just google israel atheist or something similar.
>
what does being secular have to do with anything?
>
>> ok but you still have not said anything about why your palestinians
>> have a right to the land of Israel...why is that?
>
> They were there in 1948.
ah ha...ancient Palestinians!... give it a break!
> They were good caretakers of the land.
what did they do as caretakers?
> They did not involve us in endless wars.
I am not aware that they did much of anything.
> They did not siphon money off the US.
ok
> Those are good enough reasons for me.
not really much to base all your arguments on!
> I've repeated this over and over to you.
not that I am aware of, this is the first time you have consolidated your
arguments...thanks.
> They, by their behavior showed themselves to be the TRUE owners of that
> land.
you mean their squatting on the land makes them the owners?
>
>> is this the new null? up to now I do not recall any Jews having a
>> right to be in Israel?
>
> No. I've just not emphasized this.
> I've posted articles from anti-Zionist Jews and commended them for their
> efforts.
> I'm not talking about the J-Street crowd either.
> IMO they're phony and just buying time.
> Jews now living in Israel who worked for justice for the Palestinian
> people should be given the option of remaining there. They have been
> good neighbors.
> That to me is common-sense. You don't repay kindness with a
> kickinthebutt.
> I do think that Israel has to be abolished. Israel is a crime in
> progress. Palestine must be restored.
> Any Jews allowed to remain must accept that.
> Having accepted Palestinian citizenship, they should enjoy all the
> rights (and responsibilities) as any other Palestinian.
>
at least you have presented your arguments...but according to your
arguments, the entire Middle-East would have to be returned to the
"pre-European division of the lands into countries" allocation of land! I
doubt you would get much support for that!
>
>> based upon your attitude towards Jews in general, why would you
>> inflict the NUTS on Birobidjian? what have the Birobidjianians done to
>> the your beloved Palestinians?
>
>
> Where else can you put them?
> I've often thought Mercury or Venus might be more to their liking.
> I understand they're hellish, infernal type planets (especially Venus).
> Ought to make them feel right at home.
> Maybe that was their promised land and they somehow wound up here on
> earth?
>
you have also failed to reply to my question about other ethnic groups
taking over the lands of the native peoples especially the entire Western
Hemisphere. why are you so concerned with that small plot of land currently
called Israel (previously called Palestine but called Judea before that)
when there are such larger similar issues?