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Andrew Smith

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Nov 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/24/99
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I heard a kind of Latin rap sort of number in a club the other night;
went up to ask the DJ what it was, and she told me something like those
names as the artist and (song or album) title.

Does anyone recognise those names? Becaue I haven't managed to track them
down yet.

Thanks,

Andrew


MARCANE

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Nov 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/24/99
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Ricardo Ray aka Richie Ray & Bobby Cruz recorded a tune in honor of a famed
A&R, and label impresario...Pancho Cristal.
Perhaps that is whom you are referring to.


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JuanCarlPR

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Nov 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/26/99
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Richie Ray and Bobby Cruz recorded a song for Mr. Ralph Lew, a well known name
in NYC's latin clubs and music scenes.

I do not know how or why, but his name translated to 'Pancho Cristal'.

El coro de la cancion dice: "Pancho Cristal, descarga en el Village Gate" o
algo asi.

Juan Carlos Ortega
La Revista Boricua
Syracuse, NY
www.revistaboricua.com

MARCANE

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Nov 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/26/99
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juan carlos wrote>>Richie Ray and Bobby Cruz recorded a song for Mr. Ralph Lew,

a well known name in NYC's latin clubs and music scenes. I do not know how or
why, but his name translated to 'Pancho Cristal'.>>>


Ralph Lew & Pancho Cristal are 2 different people who have similar backgrounds.
Richie & Bobby mught have also recorded a tribute to Ralph Lew but he is not
Pancho Cristal. Pancho's real name was Francisco ?, I forget his real surname
but he was a Cuban-Jew who in Cuba was well known as the owner of the Cristal
Beer distribuitorship. When he migrated to NYC and first got into the record
distribution business the musicians not remembering his last name began calling
him Pancho Cristal and it stuck.

Cristal Beer in Cuba sponsored many dances and therefore Pancho was known to
many musicians and dancers.Pancho retired here in Miami in 1992. I interviewed
him and it was a great expierence. He has since passed away.

César N. Díaz

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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On 26 Nov 1999 18:55:15 GMT, mar...@aol.com (MARCANE) wrote in part:

>juan carlos wrote>>Richie Ray and Bobby Cruz recorded a song for Mr. Ralph Lew,
>a well known name in NYC's latin clubs and music scenes. I do not know how or
>why, but his name translated to 'Pancho Cristal'.>>>
>
>
>Ralph Lew & Pancho Cristal are 2 different people who have similar backgrounds.
>Richie & Bobby mught have also recorded a tribute to Ralph Lew but he is not
>Pancho Cristal. Pancho's real name was Francisco ?, I forget his real surname
>but he was a Cuban-Jew who in Cuba was well known as the owner of the Cristal
>Beer distribuitorship. When he migrated to NYC and first got into the record
>distribution business the musicians not remembering his last name began calling
>him Pancho Cristal and it stuck.
>

Pancho Cristal (R. Ray/B. Cruz)

-----------------------------------------

Pancho Cristal me llama,
Pancho Cristal me llama...
ahí vá el guaguancó,
y dice así...

Vámonos pa'l Village Gate
que allí es donde usted va y ver
la voz de la tumbadora
y las estrellas de ahora...

Tiene el bembé formado,
tiene a RALPH LEW al lado,
ay mira pa'lla....
Pancho Cristal.

Vámonos pa'l Village Gate
que allí es donde usted vá y ver
la voz de la tumbadora
y las estrellas de ahora...

Que Pancho Cristal me dijo
que me lleve pa'l bembé.

Que Yo toco un tingo-talángo
si usted me lleva al bembé,
que usted lo vé..

(coro): Pancho Cristal, descarga en el Village Gate.

Y le reparto la tumbadora
como si fuera un mamey
Pancho Cristal..

(coro)

Yo le bailo una rumba abierta
si usted me lleva al bembé..

(coro)

Tingo, tingo que tingo-talángo
como si fuera un mamey,
Pancho Cristal.

(coro)

Que Pancho Cristal me dijo
que me lleve pa'l bembé..

(MAMBO)

¡Oye, ahí viene Candido,
repartiendo palo, ahí na'má!

¡Ajá, y llegó el Conde, caballero!


--------------------------------
From: RICARDO RAY "Los Durísimos" (ALEGRE SLP 8700)

Ricardo Ray, leader, piano, vocals, coro, arrangements.
Bobby Cruz, lead vocals, coro
Russell "Skee" Farnsworth, bass
Adolphe "Doc" Cheatham, trumpet
Pedro Chaparro, trumpet
Jackie "El Conde" Dillomis, tumbadoras
Harry "Bongó" Rodríguez, bongos
José "Candido" Rodríguez, pailas

Suave Nyc1

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Nov 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/29/99
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ricardo ray or sometimes known as richie ray is an old puerto rican singer from
the 60's who quit salsa and became a christian. I think he does christian music
now or he might be even dead. hes most known for the salsa he did in the 60's.
I highly doubt he did salsa rap.
I have one of his cd's he did with sextete de la playa very good which i could
rip for you if you want.
as for salsa rap u might wanna try proyecto uno
illegales
bario boys
oscar deleon
dlg


George Rivera

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Nov 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/29/99
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Suave Nyc1 wrote:

> ricardo ray or sometimes known as richie ray is an old puerto rican singer from
> the 60's who quit salsa and became a christian.

Ricardo Ray was a piano player...

> I think he does christian music
> now or he might be even dead.

He lives...

> hes most known for the salsa he did in the 60's.

60's - 80's

> I highly doubt he did salsa rap.
> I have one of his cd's he did with sextete de la playa very good which i could
> rip for you if you want.

Sextete de la Playa???

> as for salsa rap u might wanna try proyecto uno
> illegales
> bario boys
> oscar deleon
> dlg

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Fabulana

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Nov 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/29/99
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Suave Nyc1 wrote:
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> as for salsa rap u might wanna try proyecto uno

more like merengue/hiphop, no?

Wallice

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Dec 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/1/99
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Suave Nyc1 wrote:
> ricardo ray or sometimes known as richie ray is an old puerto rican singer from the 60's who quit salsa and became a christian.

"We have an almost-winner ladies and gents..."
Aside from George's comments, RR did not quit salsa to become a
christian. He was a Christian all along, and started doing salsa with
christian-themed lyrics. Then he faded away (market forces? Hmmmmm....)
Aaaaaanyway, he was in last year's Banco Popular video and put in a
slamming solo for the opening. Recently he and singer Bobby Cruz had a
major reunion concert in PR.

Oh, BTW, George, when is this year's video coming out? Put me on your
list for that one!

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César N. Díaz

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Dec 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/2/99
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:29:53 -0500, George Rivera
<gri...@surfree.com> wrote in part:

>> I highly doubt he did salsa rap.
>> I have one of his cd's he did with sextete de la playa very good which i could
>> rip for you if you want.
>
>Sextete de la Playa???
>

George, I think there's a connection there with La Playa and Richie
Ray. Richie's kid brother, trumpet player Ray Maldonado (R.I.P.)
played with La Playa for a while. I've seen his picture in a couple
of that group's albums.

Richie Blondet

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Dec 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/5/99
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gbau...@hotmail.com (César N. Díaz) wrote:

<< George, I think there's a connection there with La Playa and Richie
Ray. Richie's kid brother, trumpet player Ray Maldonado (R.I.P.)
played with La Playa for a while. I've seen his
picture in a couple of that group's albums. >>

I think George just called it out, because the guy referred to them as
El Sexteto de la Playa, rather than La Playa Sextette.

BTW-Ricardo Ray was not a Christian all along. This guy got it on with
the best of them and had his own harem of women to choose from. It was
later on in the 70's (Mid?) where he converted and Bobby Cruz followed
his lead. Both have their own congregations to this day. Most of the
material they played during the concert in PR this past summer had those
heavenly lyrics/messages".....

Rumbero


Wallice

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Dec 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/6/99
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Richie Blondet wrote:
> BTW-Ricardo Ray was not a Christian all along. This guy got it on with
> the best of them and had his own harem of women to choose from. It was
> later on in the 70's (Mid?) where he converted and Bobby Cruz followed
> his lead. Both have their own congregations to this day. Most of the
> material they played during the concert in PR this past summer had those
> heavenly lyrics/messages".....

I get it, but you missed my point. MOST (I'd dare to say) so called
Christians have "harems," vices and other lifestyles that are totally
opposite to the teachings of their spiritual Master, Jesus. RR was a
Christian (in the loose sense of the word) all along because he was
baptized as a child. Get it?
This is not an indictment of anyone, BTW.....

Richie Blondet

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Dec 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/7/99
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Wallice wrote:
<< I get it, but you missed my point. MOST (I'd dare to say) so called
Christians have "harems," vices and other lifestyles that are totally
opposite to the teachings of their spiritual Master, Jesus. RR was a
Christian (in the loose sense of the word) all along because he was
baptized as a child. Get it?
This is not an indictment of anyone, BTW..... >>

Blasphemy!!!! (Joking)

...No I hear you. I just thought you meant that he was aware that he
accepted the lord before he ventured out into the music scene. Just
cause your baptized don't necessarily mean that you're a Christian. A
new born is not aware of what's..... oh forget it, whatever.

I gotcha......

Richie

PS - Add RR to the list of abbreviations.


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