Re: [ot] Israel accused of denying Palestinians access to water
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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> Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
> Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the Palestinians.
you are so full of it...you don't even know who the Palestinians were!
get your history and archeological evidence correct before you make your
idiotic statements!
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>> "Ø" <Ø@set.null> wrote in message
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>> http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php
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> http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256698676&sr=1-1
> http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-book-review.html
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> Ø
> Birobidjan: The Jewish Homeland. No terrorists there!
> Give it a try!
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
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Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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> This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
> Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess you've
> made! Change your settings, please.
I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!
>
> Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
> The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
> since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
> attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.
I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time immorial!
they were conquered several times during their stay in Israel, by Egyptians,
Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.
It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to systemically
exterminate the Jews.
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> That's the story we, the profane masses, are supposed to believe.
>
> The PROBLEM with the story is that THEY ALREADY HAD A HOMELAND.
they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928 but
Birobidjan was not their historic homeland. their historic homeland is well
documented to have been Israel.
>
> Would a people who had been through what they SUPPOSEDLY went through
> have been so picky as to say... yeaaah, we've just been HOLOCAUSTED (for
> the nth time), but, NAAAAAH, we'll take Palestine!
I would not say they have been "holocausted" for the nth time but because
they fought against their conquerors they were probably decimated multiple
times including by the Christian crusaders! as far as I know, the
"Holocaust" refers only to Hitler's efforts. you should know how they were
treated by most of Europe by the Catholic Church for many centuries...that
is, being driven from their homes many times.
and you deny the historical facts that the Phillistines/Palestinians were
not Arabs but Greeks...what ancient claim can the current Palestinians have
on Israel?
remember:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
"Where did the name Palestine come from?
The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast
from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the
Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a
name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as
"Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or
migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the
coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they
were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and
Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic,
linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.
"The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One
group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba
in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael.
Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted
invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal
area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and
Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the
Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts."
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> It's all A BIG LIE. That's my point. I had read what's on the Birobidjan
> page and my comments STAND. Actually, I'll change what I just said
> somewhat: It's all a BUNCH OF BIG LIES! eg Golda Meir saying a people-
> less land for a land-less people. LIES. BIG FAT LIES.
you stand by your source's statement that "Zionists chose not to acknowledge
Birobidjan, the voluntary Jewish homeland (supported by American Jewry since
1928) of the Jewish Autonomous Region (on the border of Russia and China)."
good but then you ignore it and continue with your BS claims.
again...they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928 but
Birobidjan was not their historic homeland. their historic homeland is well
documented to have been Israel.
>
> As far as the Egyptian "proof" you've offered.
> Not acceptable as proof of anything other than a stella that allegedly
> made a cryptic remark about some "Israel" (who knows WHAT that meant at
> the time? Some people claim it (ie "Israel") stands for Isis + Ra + El).
>
you deny archeological evidence...why on earth would the Egyptians have
conquered Isis+Ra+El? what a bunch of crap...and you know it. I suspect that
educated (as contrasted to your ignorance) archelogists would know what
"Israel" meant to the ancient Egyptians.
note the above reference "Another group, coming from Crete after being
repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194
BCE"...more evidence that the Egyptians knew of Israel.
in addition, as mentioned above "In AD 135, after putting down the Bar
Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor
Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so
renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name
and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia
Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern,
anglicized "Palestine" is derived."
the current Palestinians just have the name because of the Romans!
when are you going to actually read some history about your beloved
Palestine and it real (not your imagined) history?
you have attempted to claim the non-existence of ancient Israel by the
supposed "non-existence" of ancient evidence...again what a bunch of crap!
I seem to recall also citing archeological evidence of Israel's existence by
the Babylonians. and, of course, the well-known evidence of Israel's
existence by the Romans.
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
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>>> This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
>>> Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess
>>> you've made! Change your settings, please.
>>
>> I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!
>>>
>>> Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
>>> The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
>>> since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
>>> attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.
>>
>> I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time
>> immorial! they were conquered several times during their stay in
>> Israel, by Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.
>
> these events, did in fact, take place?
> We've got an alleged stela from Egypt.
> What archeological evidence do we have? We have nice stories, but nice
> stories are for children.
>
you would not know a stela if someone hit you over your idiotic head with
it.
you constantly allege without proof!
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>> It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to systemically
>> exterminate the Jews.
>
> Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews there?
> Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
> You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.
you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the countries
he took over.
>
> It's A PROVEN FACT THAT HITLER WAS FINANCED BY **JEWISH BANKERS**.
> DEAL WITH IT!
the world-wide bankers always finance everyone in a war...both sides.
> Hitler was a NOBODY and would have remained so.
not according the the historical records left by the Nazis!
> They NEEDED a "HOLOCAUST"!
> The "HOLOCAUST" was PLANNED BEFOREHAND.
> http://iamthewitness.com/Crucifixion-of-Jews.html
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you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations! regarding
things you have no proof about!
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Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>> you constantly allege without proof!
>
>
you don't even use your sources correctly...you just cherry-pick
>
>>> Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews
>>> there? Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
>>> You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.
>>
>> you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the
>> countries he took over.
>
> Now *that's* a real devil for ya.
> Did he kill his financiers, the Rothschilds?
> Did he kill the Jews (many of them top-level) in his military?
> Maybe he was just saving them for last, eh?
>
you are getting more stupid every post...did I say anything about Hitler and
the Jews all around the world?
I also said Hitler used some Jews for his own purposes.
I quoted your source regarding his use of Jews for his purposes.
I suspect that if Hitler had gained control of the world as he wanted to do,
he would definitely have continued to exterminate Jews everywhere except
those who had value for him.
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>> you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations!
>> regarding things you have no proof about!
>
> Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute here!
>
> I'm making a statement and I'm posting the link to why I say it.
> It's evidence, not proof.
> FACT: They were already claiming the (eternally persecuted) Jews were in
> mortal danger. They're being CRUCIFIED, and IT MUST STOP!
> This was before big, bad Hitler made his debut on the Rothschild world
> stage.
> Yes, ladies and gentlemorons...
> the stage was _indeed_ being set for the...
> ... dare I say it?
> ....THE BIG LIE....
>
you are the one who tries to use the BIG LIE, i.e., your claim that the
Holocaust did not happen!
>
> Try Birobidjan. The Jewish Homeland.
> http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm
>
give it up...homeland since 1928 but not before according to your
sources...get a brain, get a life!