Beny o Benny?
Enrique R. Pouget
--Riq
r...@bayofpigs.com
http://www.bayofpigs.com
MARCANE
It is either because it has been spelled both ways for over 40 years in and out
of Cuba, in English or Spanish.
I personally always write it as Beny because in Spanish the 2nd n is superflous
and Benny is an English name.
Marcané is Arturo Gómez at...wdna@paradise.net
Yo si son de la loma pero estoy en el llano rajando la leña
Música es la mejor medicina
La verdad es la verdad....Más mentiras no quiero
It's OK to think, no one has to know
JazzBuffalo
the revisionist Benny. I would bet my hard earned money that
if you could trace it absolutely to the classic Beny
recordings for example, you'll find: Beny. If you are
reading this: Use Beny, not Benny! :-)
--
The JazzBuffalo a.k.a. Luis Moreno
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"Francisco Aguabella is the John Coltrane of the Conga Drum"
--Dizzy Gillespie
César N. Díaz
<poug...@popmail.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Ok Grupo, which one iss eet? Benny Moré or Beny Moré? Or is it both?
>
>--Riq
>r...@bayofpigs.com
>http://www.bayofpigs.com
>
>
>
Dunno, take your pick. I personally take the RCA spelling: "Beny Moré,
que banda tiene usted".
no...@wcl.on.ca
<poug...@popmail.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Ok Grupo, which one iss eet? Benny Moré or Beny Moré? Or is it both?
Well, I just came back from the Beny More' Disco in Cienfuegos ..
does that help?
MS
Enrique R. Pouget <poug...@popmail.med.nyu.edu> wrote in message
news:7ezy3.8$PX2....@typhoon.nyu.edu...
> Ok Grupo, which one iss eet? Benny Moré or Beny Moré? Or is it both?
Beny
MARCANE
personality and record producer who I won't identify since he replied to me in
private and did not respond to the NG itself, however because it says a lot I
want to share it with you all.
"Arturo..to add my two cents to the Beny/Benny question. When I was in Lajas I
took a picture of his tombstone . It reads BENNY."
So despite the majority of responses in favor of Beny, his own grave marker
states Benny....things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
MARCANE
Where did you obtain this information. In the more than 25 years I have been a
fan and collector of Beny's music and biographical data, I have never seen any
reference to Beny being a homage to Beny Goodman. I have to vehemently
dissagree with the origin of this as their is nothing to indicate this could be
possible. All facts point to Beny improvising his name on the spur of a
moment....here's the situation.
After a month long stay in Mexico City in 1945, Conjunto Matamoros for which
Beny was the lead singer, decided to return to CUba. Beny at this time was
still called Bartolo, short for his given name, Bartolomé, in México it was.
is? a custom to name burros Bartolo ala Fido for dogs in the USA, so upon their
departure, Miguel Matamoros gave Bartolo a bit of advise, change your name for
artistic reasons, and according to all written reports, Bartolo in the best
tradition of the improvisation/soneo skills he possesed, instantly declared to
Matamoros, "yes!, from now on I will be Beny"
JazzBufalo
I will try and track it.
In article <19990831131906...@ng-fk1.aol.com>, mar...@aol.com
(MARCANE) writes:
>Jazz Buffalo wrote>>>The nickname was given as an homage to Benny Goodman >>>
>
>Where did you obtain this information. In the more than 25 years I have been
>a
>fan and collector of Beny's music and biographical data, I have never seen
>any
>reference to Beny being a homage to Beny Goodman. I have to vehemently
>dissagree with the origin of this as their is nothing to indicate this could
>be
Luis Moreno a.k.a. The JazzBuffalo (remove final " x " to reply)
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"Francisco Aguabella is the John Coltrane of the Conga drum"
--Dizzy Gillespie
JazzBuffalo
Ernesto Marquez. He is editor of Bembe magazine, a Mexico
City monthly devoted to la musica. He is also a regular
contributor to La Jornada. La Jornada is online and may
offer a way to reach him by e-mail.
From Bembe Feb. 1998 p. 20:
"Su orquesta la fundo al estilo de las grandes bandas de
jazz, el mismo llego a confesar su gran admiracion por Benny
Goodman y esto explica su nombre artistico ya que el de pila
era Bartolome Maximiliano More Benitez. Ademas, en aquella
epoca los musicos preferian las grandes orquestas. No hay
que olvidar que el sello caracteristico de los anos cuarenta
fueron sin duda las grandes orquestaciones del tipo jazz
band."
Rough translation:
He formed his orchestra in the style of the great jazz Big
Bands. He confessed his great admiration for Benny Goodman
and this explains his stage name for the name given at birth
was Bartolome Maximiliano More Benitez. Furthermore, in
those days musicians preferred the Big Bands. Let's not
forget that the jazz Big Bands are the defining
characteristic of the 40's."
I don't think it detracts from Beny's unquestionable and
legendary status as a sonero to realize that the name did
not just spring out of nowhere. And just to make things
really fun, consider this:
Bartolome Maximiliano More Benitez - BENITEZ - BENI - More
Beni - Beni More ... ;-)
MARCANE wrote:
>
> Jazz Buffalo wrote>>>The nickname was given as an homage to Benny Goodman >>>
>
> Where did you obtain this information. In the more than 25 years I have been a
> fan and collector of Beny's music and biographical data, I have never seen any
> reference to Beny being a homage to Beny Goodman. I have to vehemently
> dissagree with the origin of this as their is nothing to indicate this could be
> possible. All facts point to Beny improvising his name on the spur of a
> moment....here's the situation.
> After a month long stay in Mexico City in 1945, Conjunto Matamoros for which
> Beny was the lead singer, decided to return to CUba. Beny at this time was
> still called Bartolo, short for his given name, Bartolomé, in México it was.
> is? a custom to name burros Bartolo ala Fido for dogs in the USA, so upon their
> departure, Miguel Matamoros gave Bartolo a bit of advise, change your name for
> artistic reasons, and according to all written reports, Bartolo in the best
> tradition of the improvisation/soneo skills he possesed, instantly declared to
> Matamoros, "yes!, from now on I will be Beny"
--
The JazzBuffalo a.k.a. Luis Moreno
==================================
"Francisco Aguabella is the John Coltrane of the Conga Drum"
--Dizzy Gillespie
MS
<no...@wcl.on.ca> wrote in message news:37ca8d3a....@news.wcl.on.ca...
> Well, I just came back from the Beny More' Disco in Cienfuegos ..
> does that help?
Beny Moré would roll over in his grave, to have a disco named after him.
Mona, when will you tell us more about your trip?
pac...@earthlink.net
(MARCANE) wrote:
>Pugee>>>Ok Grupo, which one iss eet? Benny Moré or Beny Moré? Or is it both?>>
>
>It is either because it has been spelled both ways for over 40 years in and out
>of Cuba, in English or Spanish.
>I personally always write it as Beny because in Spanish the 2nd n is superflous
>and Benny is an English name.
>
>
Marcane:
You are of course absolutely correct on both counts, however...
I've heard from two different sources over the past seven years, that Beny
actually preferred "Benny" as in Goodman. Beny apparently was a fan of
the swing bands and eventually acquired quite a library of recordings by
all the U.S. bands of the 30s and 40s. But Benny Goodman was his favorite
which was a determining factor when he was looking for a name to use other
thatn Bartolo. The allegation makes more sense when you remember
recordings like "Oh Vida" and "Devuelveme El Coco" plus "Hoy Como Ayer"
which have obvious swing elements.
Te watcho...
TV
enoda...@gmail.com
> Ok Grupo, which one iss eet? Benny Moré or Beny Moré? Or is it both?
>
> r...@bayofpigs.com
> http://www.bayofpigs.com
All of my father's old LPs say Beny More.