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ESpencer01

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Sep 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/28/99
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So, I'm sitting here laid up in my dorm room for the second day straight
cursing the gods for giving me this nasty cold/ bronchitis type thing, and I
was thinking, who better to turn to for quick tips on getting healthy and
singing again quickly than a whole lot of singing people? who could possibly be
better than r-mac? So I have a nasty, unproductive cough and a stuffy nose and
body aches and i had a slight fever, but i think that's gone away. any advice?
it isn't the sickness so much as the not being able to sing that's driving me
nuts. help! Do you guys have any creative, effective remedies for dealing with
this sort of thing?

reveling in her own little sickness pity party,
elisa

Jim Lewis

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Sep 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/28/99
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Well, I am not one to go for this kind of stuff much unless someone can demonstrate
that it really works. But I have found Echinacea to be extremely effective in
PREVENTING stuff like this. I start taking it daily as soon as the cold season
hits. If I take it every day I never get sick. If I skip a few days I almost
undoubtedly will get sick. Also, anti-oxidants (Vitamin C, E and Beta Carotene)
help a lot in prevention too.

But as for helping get over this type of stuff. The only thing that has really
shown much promise is zinc lozenges. In clinical studies, people who sucked on zinc
lozenges when they had a cold got over them like 35% faster than those on placebos.
Pretty sweet results.

One other thing. If it really is bronchitis, you want to be careful. If you are
producing colored phlegm (This is gross - sorry) then you should really go to a Dr.
and get some antibiotics. Because long term exposure to bronchitis causes damage to
your lungs, throat, etc. And it's hard to overcome it without them.

Anyway, best of luck. I know it sucks when you have a cold and can't sing.
(Although I usually sing anyway. I pretty much always sing). I hate that.

Jim Lewis

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Chris Newman

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Sep 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/29/99
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I was just about to reply to say, Echinacea, Vit C and Zinc lozenges and
here it is already. So I'll add my endorsement of these and just add a
couple of comments.

Vit C: Take large doses - at least 1000mg three times a day
Zinc lozenges: we get some here in Australia called Zinchinacea -
brilliant!
Drink loads and loads of water - you need more when you're sick and mucousy.

Hope you're better soon
Chris N

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Lisa M. Dawson

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Sep 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/29/99
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Slippery Elm works wonders on the throat too.

Lisa M. Dawson
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Chris Tess

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Sep 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/29/99
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> One other thing. If it really is bronchitis, you want to be careful. If
you are
> producing colored phlegm (This is gross - sorry) then you should really
go to a Dr.
> and get some antibiotics. Because long term exposure to bronchitis
causes damage to
> your lungs, throat, etc. And it's hard to overcome it without them.


Please don't go to your doctor and demand antibiotics. A productive cough
can be caused by many things, including allergies and the common cold,
both of which are more common than bacterial bronchitis and neither of
which is helped by antibiotics. Antibiotics are not candy, and getting
them when you don't need them can lead to a selection bias towards
bacteria that are resistant to those antibiotics.

Go to you doctor, tell her what's wrong, and take her advice to heart. If
she gives you antibiotics, take them (the ENTIRE dose). If she tells you
to do something else, take her advice; don't this it means "my doctor
doesn't care".

BTW, if you get nailed by the flu, there IS a new antiviral that fights
both influenza A & B...

- Dr. Chris

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M1928mouse

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Sep 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/30/99
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I'll second that motion as well....Echinacea's good...you can take it in
capsules or there are alot of teas which contain the herb too..try some. I take
a combination of Echinacea & Goldenseal...another herb my vocal teacher told me
about. I havent been sick in quite a while!

Get well soon!

Jarrod D. Fischer

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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a friend of mine once recommended something to me i've sworn by ever
since. it's called E-mer'gen-C. pretty dumb name, i know. it's little
packets of powder that you pour in hot water and drink, and that's all the
vitamin C and other minerals and stuff you'll need for like 17 years. but
it has the side effect of making your throat better in like 3 minutes! i
kid you not - it was my first concert in my a cappella group, and i
couldn't talk; i took this stuff and was ready to sing in five minutes.
it's good stuff

also, i've been told that if you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO sing (like a huge
concert or something), you can take 4 or 6 advil like two hours before a
show and feel like a cured person for the whole show. you'll really
regret it the next day though.

jarrod
Jarrod_...@brown.edu
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Ward Clark

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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My personal favorite remedy is Vocalzones, "throat pastilles" made for
Inphormed Ltd. (an English company). The active ingredients are menthol,
peppermint oil, and myrrh tincture. They taste awful but they work
wonders. These marvelous little black beasts used to be advertised as
"originally formulated for Caruso."

I was introduced to Vocalzones in the late '70's by another singer. Our
source at that time was a health food store in Concord, MA. It was a
great loss when they disappeared from the shelves. Eventually I contacted
a distributor who told me that she "wished I could still get Vocalzones,
but they've been banned by the FDA." After many years doing without, I
stopped into a pharmacy while on a business trip in England. A clerk
found them listed in a distributor's catalog. So I ordered two cases (24
boxes). I still have a few left. But it's time to reorder.

-- Ward

Jeff Guttadauro

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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I don't know if I'd be so eager to place my order for something that
the FDA has banned... Did you find out why they banned them? Well,
if you start to sprout a third ear, you'll know why...

-Jeff

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:49:10 -0400, wa...@loudzen.com (Ward Clark)
wrote:

Ward Clark

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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Jeff (from Abbott Labs, where I'm sure they take the FDA very seriously) wrote:

> I don't know if I'd be so eager to place my order for something that
> the FDA has banned... Did you find out why they banned them?

I didn't ask the distributor because I had got the feeling that she was
just passing along a rumor or making an off-hand comment. My guess is
that Vocalzones fell under some testing or labeling regulation, and the
importer or manufacturer pulled the product from the US market because it
wasn't worth the trouble.

I'm willing to trust the British version of the FDA, especially given my
own positive experience and that of many other 'Zones fans. Ask around
your singing friends.

The only noticable side-effect from two decades of using Vocalzones is
that everything else seems like candy. Fisherman's Friend is the only
lozenge I've found that approachs the oral experience of a Vocalzone.

Amy Fogerson

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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>My personal favorite remedy is Vocalzones, "throat pastilles" made for
>Inphormed Ltd. (an English company). The active ingredients are menthol,
>peppermint oil, and myrrh tincture. They taste awful but they work
>wonders.

Most singers I know won't use lozenges with menthol. Menthol is very drying to
your throat, and although it can make you feel like you're opening up the
congestion, your body will just produce more mucus to compensate for the drying
effect. The best thing to do to thin secretions of congestion/phlegm is to
gargle with a warm salt water (some people like salt water/baking soda)
mixture. Snorting the stuff up into your nostrils twice a day is good, too.
The best stuff I've found commercially is called "Alkalol," and it's formulated
to restore the ph balance of your mucus membranes (which gets all messed up
when you're sick or have allergies). You mix it with warm water and gargle
with it or use a "nasal douche."

Sorry to be so graphic about all this, but if you hang around people who sing
for a living, you'll find we all have our superstitious beliefs as to what
works when you're sick. And we all spend lots of time talking about it. :-)


Amy Fogerson
Sixth Wave - A Cappella Jazz/Pop/Rock
Southern California CASA Ambassador

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Juliet

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Oct 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/1/99
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> The only noticable side-effect from two decades of using Vocalzones is
> that everything else seems like candy. Fisherman's Friend is the only
> lozenge I've found that approachs the oral experience of a Vocalzone.

Another great lozenge-like thing is Grether's Blackcurrant Pastilles
with glycerin - they have saved me many times. You can get them in a
few specialty grocery stores and Williams-Sonoma.

Juliet

Chuck Kennedy

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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ESpencer01 <espen...@aol.com> wrote:
: Do you guys have any creative, effective remedies for dealing with
: this sort of thing?

Ianad, but this works for me every time. . .

100,000 IU Vitamin A, once per day for three days. Then stop. Don't
continue the high dosage of A for more than three days.

1,000 mg Vitamin C each hour while you're awake, until the cold is gone.

400 IU Vitamin E, once per day.

Zinc lozenges

And for heart health and blood circulation, my diabetes doctor recommends
this daily regimen (for life):

400 IU Vitamin E
1,000 mg Vitamin C
Daily multiple vitamin (include about 10,000 IU of A)
81 mg aspirin (children's or regimen dose)
1,000 mg L-Arginine, twice a day (more important than all the rest)

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