Honda ST1100 vs BMW K1100RS
Eric Yablonka
I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
Thanks
Thomas Keener
"Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com> wrote:
The ST1100 is the best bike ever made. It's faster than a Goldwing, handles
better than a Harley, is smoother than a thumper, and looks better than a BMW
Cruiser. You'd be crazy to buy anything else.
--
Tom Keener keen...@cts.com
'91 ST1100 -the Silver Surfer
L G Burnett
Eric Yablonka wrote:
>
> I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
> which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
> purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
> Thanks
How many ST100s do you know of with over 200,000 miles on the speedo.
I personally know of three BMWs that qualify.
Buddy Burnett
Nashville, Tennessee
Joe Garzik
I know of a couple of high-mileage Beemers, but you wouldn't want to own
one. They are pretty old.
--
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Mike Rathjen
In article <01bcbbe3$87d0a720$2599a5ce@eyablonka>, eyab...@cshore.com
says...
>
>
>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
>Thanks
Wow, I don't think you can lose with either of them. They're both very good
bikes. Here's some things I've noticed, maybe it will help you decide:
The Honda is smoother, and seems more refined. It is much heavier, but
doesn't 'feel' much heavier (unless you're pushing it with manpower!). The
fairing is a lot bigger, which gives you better weather protection, but this
is bad if you are a sportier or wind-in-my-face type of person. If you drive
in the cold, the bigger fairing is a big plus. It has nice tip-over wings
that reduce the damage to your bike if you drop it.
The BMW is lighter and has bigger luggage. The controls are weird if you are
used to Japanese bikes, but you get used to them very quickly. A lot of
people appreciate how the controls are more spaced out and not so cramped
together like the Japanese controls. OTOH, a lot of people can't stand BMW
controls either! BMW factory-heated grips are REALLY nice. If you drop this
bike, it will hit the fairing. Fortunately the fairing is extremely strong
and it only gets scuffed.
As for seating position, the ST is more comfortable and the K is sportier. I
think in general that is the attitude of the two bikes. They are both
sport-touring and they both will accelerate and handle about the same, but one
is more setup for touring (the ST) and the other is more setup for casual
use (K-bike).
As for looks, well, that's up to you. I think the ST looks great except that
there is too much plastic covering up everything. It looks too much like the
PC800 or a huge scooter. The K1100's look great too... just don't look at
them from the front...
Both bikes have ABS, which is really cool, unless you think it'll magically
keep you from getting in an accident.
If you are looking for a used bike, you can generally get a K for less than an
ST because the K series has been around much longer. I personally have a 1985
with 111k miles on it. It runs strong, and starts on the first try every
time, even in the dead of winter. Gotta like that!
If you're looking for a new bike, I'd say get the brand-new K12 unless you
want to do a lot of comfortable touring.
Hope this helps...
Cary Swoveland
>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
I expect you'll get more useful opinions if you say how you plan to use the
bike, what type of rider you are, whether you generally will have a passenger,
and how big you are.
Cary
RandyO
It is soooo refreshing to see a useful post once in a while!!!
Bradley V. Stone
The K1100RS is NOT a cruiser! It's a sweet sport tourer. I would
have to say take the BMW because it looks nicer and is faster. The
BMW is buzzy in the bars, though.
On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:40:17 GMT, keensurf@cts_com.nospam (Thomas
Keener) wrote:
>
>"Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com> wrote:
>
>>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
>>Thanks
>
>The ST1100 is the best bike ever made. It's faster than a Goldwing, handles
>better than a Harley, is smoother than a thumper, and looks better than a BMW
>Cruiser. You'd be crazy to buy anything else.
>
>
>--
>Tom Keener keen...@cts.com
>'91 ST1100 -the Silver Surfer
>
>
Bradley V. Stone
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On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:41:02 GMT, keensurf@cts_com.nospam (Thomas
Keener) wrote:
>bvs...@usa.net (Bradley V. Stone) wrote:
>>On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:40:17 GMT, keensurf@cts_com.nospam (Thomas
>>Keener) wrote:
>>>"Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>>>>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>>>>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>The ST1100 is the best bike ever made. It's faster than a Goldwing, handles
>>>better than a Harley, is smoother than a thumper, and looks better than a BMW
>>>Cruiser. You'd be crazy to buy anything else.
>>>
>>The K1100RS is NOT a cruiser! It's a sweet sport tourer. I would
>>have to say take the BMW because it looks nicer and is faster. The
>>BMW is buzzy in the bars, though.
>
>Sheesh! Do I gotta 'splain _everything_?
Yes!
Thomas Keener
bvs...@usa.net (Bradley V. Stone) wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:40:17 GMT, keensurf@cts_com.nospam (Thomas
>Keener) wrote:
>>"Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>>>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>>>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
>>>Thanks
>>
>>The ST1100 is the best bike ever made. It's faster than a Goldwing, handles
>>better than a Harley, is smoother than a thumper, and looks better than a BMW
>>Cruiser. You'd be crazy to buy anything else.
>>
>The K1100RS is NOT a cruiser! It's a sweet sport tourer. I would
>have to say take the BMW because it looks nicer and is faster. The
>BMW is buzzy in the bars, though.
Sheesh! Do I gotta 'splain _everything_? OK, let's start just two weeks ago,
the last time this question came up. Curt Smith posted his opinion, thus:
"My conversations with ST owners found that they had an unrealistic view of
their fine machine. They tended to think the ST1100 was faster than an XX,
lighter than the 916, and smoother than a valkyrie. The ST probably is a fine
bike, but not for me."
If you will notice, there is a slight similarity in our posts. The difference
lies in the comparisons. To compare an ST to a Goldwing, a Harley, and a thumper
may take a bit of imagination on your part, but work on it. A BMW Cruiser is a
BMW R1200C. It is a new model. It is a cruiser. You may not have heard of it.
Some people have questioned the esthetic appeal of the machine.
Parody. It's a form of humor. Look it up in a dictionary.
cbr...@inlink.com
On 7 Sep 97 23:24:00 GMT, "Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com>
wrote:
>
>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
>Thanks
>
>
the ST, Concours, and a Beemer (can't remember which one).
www.motorcycle.com you're on your own from there...
Chris
Strider
> >"Eric Yablonka" <eyab...@cshore.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I am looking at the above two machines for a purchase. Any opinions on
> >>which would be the best performing machine as well as the best long term
> >>purchase? Recommendations other then the two that I am considering?
> >>Thanks
> >
> >The ST1100 is the best bike ever made. It's faster than a Goldwing, handles
> >better than a Harley, is smoother than a thumper, and looks better than a BMW
> >Cruiser. You'd be crazy to buy anything else.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Tom Keener keen...@cts.com
> >'91 ST1100 -the Silver Surfer
Well, I would have to go w/ the ST1100 too. Honda V-4's are w/o a doubt
the durability champions. Hell, mine is 14 years old and can still run
low 10's.....
N you can't beat that mid-range stump-pulling torque :)
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After 4 BMW and 1 ST1100, the next one will be Honda ST1100:
1. Reliability (over 110,000km on mine and still perfect condition
2. Maintenance cost (big time difference, if you don't want to touch
the
engine)
3. Power
4. stick on the road at high speed (compare both bikes over 200km/h
with side
winds, or poor highway grip)
On the over hand:
1. weigh, too high gravity point and direction angle makes it
difficult to
handle at very low speed between cars
2. rear mirrors at the same level of car mirrors (cost me at least
one
every
year)
3. second hand price (market still gives a premium to BMW)
Serge
over 100,000km of ST1100 in Paris jam...
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mfg Matthias
Dan Nitschke
Matthias Grund wrote:
> The ST1100 ist the best BMW ever made.
Really? I test-rode both the ST1100 and the R1100RT, and,
frankly, the BMW rode better. The Honda had just a bit of
shaft-effect (none for the BMW), and the Honda's fairing
lowers liked to bruise my knees. I bought the R1100RT, and
have been extremely happy with my decision.
Why did Honda build a bike that large for people with
only average to small inseams?
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Matthias Grund
Hi,
the best decision for the first days. Many friends who had bought the
BMW think today that this was not a good decision. Why? When we rode,
their BMW was broken down, and had to be repaired (with no costs, but
with many time of no-riding).
because of that, many friends changed to ST1000.
I am 186 cm, and I have no problems with the sitting-position. Many
times we rode 500-600km per day in the alpes.
best regards Matthias
Eric Baudou
In article <603p9d$u7f$1...@news00.btx.dtag.de>,
matthia...@s11.mch1.x400.sni.de wrote:
HI,
Please see my article titled : la qualité BMW en question (in french
unfortunatly).
I like BMW very much, but ...
Best Regards
Eric Bau...@citi2.fr
Ben Torre
>Hi,
>the best decision for the first days. Many friends who had bought the
>BMW think today that this was not a good decision. Why? When we rode,
>their BMW was broken down, and had to be repaired (with no costs, but
>with many time of no-riding).
>because of that, many friends changed to ST1000.
>I am 186 cm, and I have no problems with the sitting-position. Many
>times we rode 500-600km per day in the alpes.
>
>best regards Matthias
I have to say that while I really do love my little R65, the quality
of BMW spares is rather poor. To date, I have had roughly half of all
the BMW parts I purchased *fail* while under warranty. (25 amp-hour
battery, two euro-switches (so I could turn off the headlight),
one coil, a fuel valve, a speedometer, and a crash bar <which wasn't
brazed properly and shook apart from engine vibration>!)
Like I said in another post, take a peek at what Honda has to offer
before you hand big dollars over to BMW.
Ben
Duc Tran
Ben Torre (btor...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >Hi,
: Ben
Ben,
BMW cars are known as not as reliable in its class, so are mercedes benz.
These automobiles fails after 5 years of ownership.
Your best bet? japanse motorcycles and cars. Better engineering, more reliable.
Duc
Tom Mackey
Neither: rather, Kawasaki Concours.
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On 26 Sep 1997 19:01:14 GMT, dt...@cup.hp.com (Duc Tran) wrote:
>BMW cars are known as not as reliable in its class, so are mercedes benz.
Ecuse me... I have a 86 M-B 300SDL that has 189K miles and is still
going strong.. What eveidence do you have they they die after 5 years
?
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