New Mexico trip a bust
BryanUT
It is really too bad, I was going to buy everybody on reeky a new
motorcycle. We all lost.
Shantideva Spirit
> It is really too bad, I was going to buy everybody on reeky a new
> motorcycle. We all lost.
Anytime we read a BryanUT message, we all lose.
Fucking attention whore.
S'mee
Bitch...you were supposed to get me 2010 MotoGuzzi V7, not the cafe.
sleazy
P-K-B.
--
sleazy
2001 BMW R1150GS
1988 Honda XR600R
Sean_Q_
> P-K-B.
"I have no idea what that means, sir, but it seems
very negative to me." -- _Good Morning, Vietnam_
SQ
Shantideva Spirit
It means that sleazy perceives my Buddha nature, shining through the
veil of ignorance which is reeky...
At that time the World-honored One expressed himself in verses,
saying:
“It is just like what happens when gold is submerged
In impure waste, where no one can see it.
But someone with supernatural vision sees it
And tells people about it, saying
‘If you get it out and wash it clean,
You may do with it as you will,’
Which causes their relatives and family all to rejoice.
The Well-departed One’s vision is like this.
He sees that for all kinds of beings,
The Tathagata nature is not destroyed,
Though it is submerged in the muddy silt of klesas.
So he appropriately expounds the Dharma
And enables them to manage all things,
So that the klesas covering the Buddha nature
Are quickly removed and beings are purified.”
---Tathagatagarbha Sutra
Sean_Q_
> It means that sleazy perceives my Buddha nature, shining through the
> veil of ignorance which is reeky...
Alas, for I too am bound to the Wheel. Two wheels, actually. Perhaps
motorcycles are a mere distraction from the Noble Eightfold Way.
But then who am I to judge? Let each Biker choose his own Path.
For myself, maybe the ultimate ride is the Himalayas:
-------------------------------------------------
'These are the Hills of my delight!
Shadows blessed above all other shadows! There my eyes opened
on this world; there my eyes were opened to this world;
there I found Enlightenment; and there I girt my loins for my Search.
Out of the Hills I came--the high Hills and the strong winds. Oh, just
is the Wheel!' He blessed them in detail--the great glaciers, the
naked rocks, the piled moraines and tumbled shale; dry upland, hidden
salt-lake, age-old timber and fruitful water-shot valley one after the
other, as a dying man blesses his folk; and Kim marveled at his
passion.
'Yes--yes. There is no place like our Hills,' said the people of
Shamlegh. And they fell to wondering how a man could live in the hot
terrible Plains where the cattle run as big as elephants, unfit to
plough on a hillside; where village touches village, they had heard,
for a hundred miles; where folk went about stealing in gangs, and what
the robbers spared the Police carried utterly away.
So the still forenoon wore through, and at the end of it Kim's
messenger dropped from the steep pasture as unbreathed as when she had
set out.
'I sent a word to the hakim,' Kim explained, while she made reverence.
'He joined himself to the idolaters? Nay, I remember he did a healing
upon one of them. He has acquired merit, though the healed employed
his strength for evil. Just is the Wheel! What of the hakim?'
'I feared that thou hadst been bruised and--and I knew he was wise.'
Kim took the waxed walnut-shell and read in English on the back of his
note: Your favour received. Cannot get away from present company at
present, but shall take them into Simla. After which, hope to rejoin
you. Inexpedient to follow angry gentlemen. Return by same road you
came, and will overtake. Highly gratified about correspondence due to
my forethought. 'He says, Holy One, that he will escape from the
idolaters, and will return to us. Shall we wait awhile at Shamlegh,
then?'
The lama looked long and lovingly upon the hills and shook his head.
'That may not be, chela. From my bones outward I do desire it, but it
is forbidden. I have seen the Cause of Things.'
'Why? When the Hills give thee back thy strength day by day? Remember
we were weak and fainting down below there in the Doon.'
'I became strong to do evil and to forget. A brawler and a
swashbuckler upon the hillsides was I.' Kim bit back a smile. 'Just
and perfect is the Wheel, swerving not a hair. When I was a man--a
long time ago--I did pilgrimage to Guru Ch'wan among the poplars' (he
pointed Bhotanwards), 'where they keep the Sacred Horse.'
'Quiet, be quiet!' said Shamlegh, all arow. 'He speaks of
Jam-lin-nin-k'or, the Horse That Can Go Round The World In a Day.'
'I speak to my chela only,' said the lama, in gentle reproof, and they
scattered like frost on south eaves of a morning. 'I did not seek
truth in those days, but the talk of doctrine. All illusion! I drank
the beer and ate the bread of Guru Ch'wan. Next day one said: "We go
out to fight Sangor Gutok down the valley to discover" (mark again how
Lust is tied to Anger!) "which Abbot shall bear rule in the valley and
take the profit of the prayers they print at Sangor Gutok." I went,
and we fought a day.'
'But how, Holy One?'
'With our long pencases as I could have shown ... I say, we fought
under the poplars, both Abbots and all the monks, and one laid open my
forehead to the bone. See!' He tilted back his cap and showed a
puckered silvery scar. 'Just and perfect is the Wheel! Yesterday the
scar itched, and after fifty years I recalled how it was dealt and the
face of him who dealt it; dwelling a little in illusion. Followed that
which thou didst see--strife and stupidity. Just is the Wheel! The
idolater's blow fell upon the scar. Then I was shaken in my soul: my
soul was darkened, and the boat of my soul rocked upon the waters of
illusion. Not till I came to Shamlegh could I meditate upon the Cause
of Things, or trace the running grass-roots of Evil. I strove all the
long night.'
'But, Holy One, thou art innocent of all evil. May I be thy sacrifice!'
Kim was genuinely distressed at the old man's sorrow, and Mahbub Ali's
phrase slipped out unawares.
'In the dawn,' the lama went on more gravely, ready rosary clicking
between the slow sentences, 'came enlightenment. It is here ... I am
an old man ... hill-bred, hill-fed, never to sit down among my Hills.
Three years I travelled through Hind, but--can earth be stronger than
Mother Earth? My stupid body yearned to the Hills and the snows of the
Hills, from below there. I said, and it is true, my Search is sure.
So, at the Kulu woman's house I turned hillward, over-persuaded by
myself. There is no blame to the hakim. He--following
Desire--foretold that the Hills would make me strong. They strengthened
me to do evil, to forget my Search. I delighted in life and the lust
of life. I desired strong slopes to climb. I cast about to find them.
I measured the strength of my body, which is evil, against the high
Hills, I made a mock of thee when thy breath came short under Jamnotri.
I jested when thou wouldst not face the snow of the pass.'
'But what harm? I was afraid. It was just. I am not a hillman; and I
loved thee for thy new strength.'
'More than once I remember'--he rested his cheek dolefully on his
hand--'I sought thy praise and the hakim's for the mere strength of my
legs. Thus evil followed evil till the cup was full. Just is the
Wheel! All Hind for three years did me all honour. From the Fountain
of Wisdom in the Wonder House to'--he smiled--'a little child playing
by a big gun--the world prepared my road. And why?'
'Because we loved thee. It is only the fever of the blow. I myself am
still sick and shaken.'
'No! It was because I was upon the Way--tuned as are si-nen [cymbals]
to the purpose of the Law. I departed from that ordinance. The tune
was broken: followed the punishment. In my own Hills, on the edge of
my own country, in the very place of my evil desire, comes the
buffet--here!' (He touched his brow.) 'As a novice is beaten when he
misplaces the cups, so am I beaten, who was Abbot of Such-zen. No
word, look you, but a blow, chela.'
'But the Sahibs did not know thee, Holy One?'
'We were well matched. Ignorance and Lust met Ignorance and Lust upon
the road, and they begat Anger. The blow was a sign to me, who am no
better than a strayed yak, that my place is not here. Who can read the
Cause of an act is halfway to Freedom! "Back to the path," says the
Blow. "The Hills are not for thee. Thou canst not choose Freedom and
go in bondage to the delight of life."'
'Would we had never met that cursed Russian!'
'Our Lord Himself cannot make the Wheel swing backward...'
-- _Kim_ by Rudyard Kipling http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2226
-----------------------------------------------------------
SQ
Datesfat Chicks
news:14c53e51-21e8-4ecb...@y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Didn't win the PowerBall.
>
> It is really too bad, I was going to buy everybody on reeky a new
> motorcycle. We all lost.
I don't know what PowerBall odds are, but typical lotteries have odds of the
big prize around 1 in 50 million.
If you step on a domestic airliner, your odds of dying are about 1 in 10
million.
Dying of influenza in a given year: about 1 in 5,000.
Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
PowerBall odds are probably about the same as surviving an airliner crash,
surviving being struck by lightning, then being stung to death by bees: all
in the same day.
Datesfat
Sean_Q_
> Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
Shee-it, are cages that risky? What about bikes? Am I playing
against House odds every time I wheel my steed onto the street?
Please say it ain't so. I gotta go shopping tonight.
SQ
Datesfat Chicks
I don't remember where I read that statistic, but a little rough math would
probably satisfy you that it is approximately right.
There are maybe 300,000,000 people in this country, and let's assume that
200,000,000 of them have a driver's license.
I think nationally there are on the order of 30,000 motor vehicle deaths a
year.
Dividing the former by the latter says that 1 in every 6,667 of them is
toast in a car crash.
Again, don't remember where I read the stat, but it seems approximately
right.
This may be interesting, too:
http://reason.com/archives/2006/08/11/dont-be-terrorized
I think it gets closer to 1 in 5,000 if you just consider licensed drivers.
Datesfat
S'mee
You are just jealous...he doesn't need a pimp and two bags.
S'mee
wrote:
Ya' know dumb ass...if you stay at home and avoid everybody in the
world you wont get the fucking flu. Conversly if you go outside you
might or might not die from spanish flu. Me I know for a fact that if
I DON'T buy a lottery ticket I will win exactly, NOTHING. BUT! If I do
buy a ticket I at least have a chance. Unlike idiots like you.
Oh and just to make you miserable...I don't get the flu and haven't
had it in over 30+ years. The few times I aquieced to recieving the
vaccine it made me sick (not the flu) So...I get to live and the rest
of you pogues get to either be miserable or die.
Datesfat Chicks
news:7a3d5927-e13e-400a...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 3, 6:13 pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>Ya' know dumb ass...if you stay at home and avoid everybody in the
>world you wont get the fucking flu. Conversly if you go outside you
>might or might not die from spanish flu. Me I know for a fact that if
>I DON'T buy a lottery ticket I will win exactly, NOTHING. BUT! If I do
>buy a ticket I at least have a chance. Unlike idiots like you.
You've called me a dumb ass and an idiot. For not buying a lottery ticket.
And for being aware of the rough odds of various types of illnesses and
accidents.
This truly is the newsgroup of the mentally ill.
Datesfat.
Sean_Q_
> This truly is the newsgroup of the mentally ill.
And it took you HOW MANY MONTHS to figure that out?
SQ - <ROTFL>
S'mee
wrote:
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
actually dumb ass I calle you that for being a pedantic moron...who
the fuck CARES about odds? Professional gamblers and actuarial
accountants and the latter group is often wrong to wit the Met height
weight tables.
But hey, keep on being a negative dumb ass...you are sure as hell more
fun that others around here.
S'mee
He's a bit sicker than I but not on par with HHH. But that's just an
opinion and worth every penny you paid...at least I don't post links
like Thumper.
The Older Gentleman
> I don't remember where I read that statistic, but a little rough math would
> probably satisfy you that it is approximately right.
It isn't. It's out by 50%. A simple Google shows that.
Why you continue to rely on your own self-perceived wisdom instead of
doing a little fact checking is a mystery to me.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple
Suzuki TS250ER (currently Beaving) Damn, back to five bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
The Older Gentleman
> If you step on a domestic airliner, your odds of dying are about 1 in 10
> million.
>
> Dying of influenza in a given year: about 1 in 5,000.
>
> Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
I'd be interested in the source of these stats, because with the USA's
population of about 300 million, that means 60,000 people die of the flu
every year and I think such an epidemic would have come to the notice of
the authorities, don't you?
Same goes for road deaths, too, actually.
Mark Olson
> Datesfat Chicks <datesfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you step on a domestic airliner, your odds of dying are about 1 in 10
>> million.
>>
>> Dying of influenza in a given year: about 1 in 5,000.
>>
>> Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
>
> I'd be interested in the source of these stats, because with the USA's
> population of about 300 million, that means 60,000 people die of the flu
> every year and I think such an epidemic would have come to the notice of
> the authorities, don't you?
>
> Same goes for road deaths, too, actually.
Road deaths was about 1 in 7 000 in 2002.
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
Total deaths/year = about 43 000
Population of USA = about 300 x 10^6
Interesting figures re: motorcycle deaths, increasing significantly
despite overall traffic accident deaths going down.
J. Clarke
> Datesfat Chicks <datesfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you step on a domestic airliner, your odds of dying are about 1
>> in 10 million.
>>
>> Dying of influenza in a given year: about 1 in 5,000.
>>
>> Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
>
> I'd be interested in the source of these stats, because with the USA's
> population of about 300 million, that means 60,000 people die of the
> flu every year and I think such an epidemic would have come to the
> notice of the authorities, don't you?
>
> Same goes for road deaths, too, actually.
He's not that far off--about 56,000 die of flu every year and 45,000 in
motor vehicle accidents.
More information on this sort of thing than you could possibly want can be
found at <http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf>.
TOG@Toil
Thanks for that. That flu data really surprises me, actually. Makes me
wonder why all the fuss about swine flu if 'ordinary' flu is so nasty.
As for the vehicle deaths - no, he's well out on that. I got a figure
of about 42,000 deaths for 2007, and that (as Olson says) is one in
over 7,000. That's still a horrendous figure. From memory, the UK road
deaths figure is about 3,000 annually, and with a population of about
62 million, that means one death in 18,000 or so.
<Googles>
Blimey. No, we're even better than that. Deaths in 2008 fell to a
record low of 2,538 (2,943 in 2007) and our population last year was
61 million, so that gives us a fatality rate of one in 24,000.
OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
half times ours? Actually, I think we did this before, and had an
argument about it being due to the UK citizens being closer to
hospitals. I don't think that will wash with a disparity this big.....
What I would be interested to see is a comparison of our two
countries' drunk-driver related deaths because I suspect that the
USA's will be horrendous, compared with ours.
Shantideva Spirit
> OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> half times ours?
Lack of public transportation in the States? The American drunk
staggers out of the Dew Drop Inn, gets in his own car and kills
himself on the highway.
But the Slimey tosspot leaving the Slug and lettuce walks home or
takes the Tube or Brit Rail to a more distant destination and lives
long enough to die of red-nose-itis...
TOG@Toil
> On Nov 4, 4:57 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> > half times ours?
>
> Lack of public transportation in the States?
So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
S'mee
Worse...what is considered drivers training for the hell spawn
(teenagers) is school sponsored, no skid pad no dissimilar surface
training (wet, snow, ice, mud) etc etc...and any 16 y/o middle school
drop out can pass the practicle (a joke) and the written.
It's done deliberately so as to facilitate thinnning the herd. Problem
is, it wont work.
S'mee
> On 4 Nov, 11:50, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > > Datesfat Chicks <datesfat.chi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> If you step on a domestic airliner, your odds of dying are about 1
> > >> in 10 million.
>
> > >> Dying of influenza in a given year: about 1 in 5,000.
>
> > >> Dying from a car accident: also about 1 in 5,000.
>
> > > I'd be interested in the source of these stats, because with the USA's
> > > population of about 300 million, that means 60,000 people die of the
> > > flu every year and I think such an epidemic would have come to the
> > > notice of the authorities, don't you?
>
> > > Same goes for road deaths, too, actually.
>
> > He's not that far off--about 56,000 die of flu every year and 45,000 in
> > motor vehicle accidents.
>
> > More information on this sort of thing than you could possibly want can be
> > found at <http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf>.
>
> Thanks for that. That flu data really surprises me, actually. Makes me
> wonder why all the fuss about swine flu if 'ordinary' flu is so nasty.
>
> As for the vehicle deaths - no, he's well out on that. I got a figure
> of about 42,000 deaths for 2007, and that (as Olson says) is one in
> over 7,000. That's still a horrendous figure. From memory, the UK road
> deaths figure is about 3,000 annually, and with a population of about
> 62 million, that means one death in 18,000 or so.
Not such bad figures percentage wise. Not compared to years post. No
great loss to the nation, to families, yeah I suppose.
> <Googles>
>
> Blimey. No, we're even better than that. Deaths in 2008 fell to a
> record low of 2,538 (2,943 in 2007) and our population last year was
> 61 million, so that gives us a fatality rate of one in 24,000.
>
> OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> half times ours? Actually, I think we did this before, and had an
> argument about it being due to the UK citizens being closer to
> hospitals. I don't think that will wash with a disparity this big.....
Now look up how many Km's of road there is in the US then compare it
to the UK total Km's of road. We've more miles of unpaved road than
the UK and well I the paved FSVOP is even greater. That's on a per
capita basis.
> What I would be interested to see is a comparison of our two
> countries' drunk-driver related deaths because I suspect that the
> USA's will be horrendous, compared with ours.-
and do you know why? It's easier to kill the fuckers off than keep
them around.
Vito
Shantideva Spirit <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> > half times ours?
>
> Lack of public transportation in the States?
[ So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
Shanti has a *partial* grip on the problem. Yes, sadly, some American
idiots do drive to their 'sports bars', each time telling themselves they
won't get as drunk tonight as they have every night in the past. If they
only killed themselves I'd cheer it as Darwinism in action but no - they
usually survive, killing others in the process.
One such drunk rear ended and killed two motorcyclists who had pulled well
of the road. Another hit a preacher head on, killing both him and his
family. In both cases the drunk survived with minor injury. Both had
previously had multiple DUI convictions and were driving on suspended
licenses. Both went to jail for a few months .....
I'd say it is a partial answer to your question. There are many other
factors.
Vito
[ Worse...what is considered drivers training for the hell spawn
[ (teenagers) is school sponsored, no skid pad no dissimilar surface
[ training (wet, snow, ice, mud) etc etc...
There is no time for that. The car is needed for sex ed classes.
Shantideva Spirit
> On Nov 4, 7:28 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Lack of public transportation in the States?
>
> > So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
Yes, Americans definitely do get drunk and drive and it would be much
better if there was more public transportation to get the drunks off
the road.
You are probably totally unaware of the fact that land developers
around the Los Angeles area created a system of cheap public
transportation that would carry
travellers from downtown L.A. to San Bernardino or to Long Beach or
San Pedro for a nickel.
If people wanted to travel to San Francisco, they could travel by rail
or bus for decades.
There was no need to own an automobile during WW2, people couldn't get
gasoline or tires anyway, due to rationing.
There were electric streetcars and busses in downtown Los Angeles
until the early 1960's. Then there was a *conspiracy* of the auto
manufacturers and the tire companies to get *everybody* to buy a car.
And American families abandoned the inner cities and moved to the
quieter suburbs, where housing developers were *conspiring* with banks
and loan companies and Federal mortgage guaranteers to build and sell
"ticky tacky houses, all in a row" for the equivalent of only two
years salary for someone with steady employment.
Such suburbs are not zoned for establishments that serve alcohol.
While you might have a pub next door in Sutton, I would have to walk
or drive a mile to get to the nearest dive bar.
Then I would have to find my way back home without being stopped for
DUI by the local PD...
So, if I'm going to drink a beer, I will drink it at home.
The daily commute from suburb to city meant that workers were on the
road for two to three hours a day.
If they wanted to "blow off steam" after a hard day in the office,
they had a choice of going to a bar in the inner city for "happy hour"
or buying two or three cans of beer and concealing them in a brown
paper "freeway bag" and *drinking while they drove*.
Many blue collar workers will consume a six pack of beer between the
factory and home, and then they will beat their wives and kids when
they arrive.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Agency (or whatever it is called)
gives grant money to local police departments to conduct DUI
checkpoints.
The local police will stop 2000 cars and arrest around 75 drivers for
driving with a suspended license or a warrant, or they will ticket
them for various vehicle registration or safety violations.
Since the DUI checkpoints have begun, arrests for DUI are decreasing.
Sometimes the checkpoints won't catch a single DUI, so they are
working.
But the checkpoints do inconvenience thousands of drivers who don't
drink and aren't violating other laws.
In this way, the government is violating the right of the people to be
secure in their persons and person and violating their right to move
about the country in pursuit of their own business or pleasure.
BrianNZ
> On Nov 4, 6:50 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 7:28 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> Lack of public transportation in the States?
>>> So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
>
> Yes, Americans definitely do get drunk and drive and it would be much
> better if there was more public transportation to get the drunks off
> the road.
>
What an absolute cop out! Learn to drink responsibly.
Vito
| What an absolute cop out! Learn to drink responsibly.
Most do. But there are 300 million of us.
Pot! Kettle!
BrianNZ
The numbers are irrelevant....it's the attitude that counts? It was the
way he was trying to blame a lack of public transport for drunks on the
road. It is completely the drunks fault if he/she gets behind the wheel
and causes a crash. If your drinking is so out of control that you can't
have just a couple (and stay under the limit)...as in you need to keep
drinking past that point.....then they need professional help to get
themselves under control, rather than find external things to blame
their problem on.
I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk.
Shantideva Spirit
> What an absolute cop out! Learn to drink responsibly.
Apparently the limited being from the far side of the planet doesn't
understand what "copping out" means in this situation where I
attempted to explain to an argumentive Slimey why so many Americans
drink and drive and drive and drink.
A "cop out" is an excuse designed to shirk responsibility.
However, I don't drink and drive, and I'm not making excuses for those
who do drink and drive.
And, to any reasonable person, I'm not responsible for drunk drivers,
I cannot stop total strangers from drinking and driving or drinking
while driving.
I'm just telling it like it is, and around here, DUI is a serious
problem, especially among the "hard workers" who will go on a "toot"
and kill some innocent person.
Then they tearfully tell the judge at their sentencing that they
didn't mean to hurt anybody and they apologize to everybody who will
listen.
MikeWhy
news:4af1f45c$1...@news.orcon.net.nz...
>
> I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk.
Not till you get caught at it anyway. As he said, Pot/Kettle.
Shantideva Spirit
> Pot! Kettle!
That's a apparent equalization of points of view which is easily
broken down.
The cast iron pot sits in the fire and blackens from soot. The kettle
is clean and polished.
The pot sees its own dark reflection in the shiny kettle, and accuses
the kettle of being as black as itself.
When the kettle looks at the pot, all it sees is blackness...
So "pot or kettle" questions are really just timewasters.
BrianNZ
To stay under the limit is as simple as moderating my intake. They set
the limit, I'll stay under it. It is not illegal to drink and drive.
I'm not the one using lack of public transport to blame for drunks on
the road, so the pot/kettle thing doesn't fit?
BrianNZ
Nice snip to get my words out of context.
Shantideva Spirit wrote:
"Yes, Americans definitely do get drunk and drive and it would be much
better if there was more public transportation to get the drunks off
the road."
The cop out I refer to is the way you are using a lack of public
transportation as an excuse for drunks to be driving, rather than the
drinkers learning some self control.
MikeWhy
Some leave the bar staggering drunk and don't have enough thought capacity
left to consider what they're doing. Others know they're drunk, but take
comfort in not having been caught before, or hope to get home without
drawing attention to themselves. Still others, probably the majority,
believe themselves to be below the limit or at least demonstrably
unimpaired. That's who I meant when I wrote pot/kettle. I don't care about
public transportation or excuses. Alcohol impairs judgement. Ergo, the
impaired isn't qualified to judge his own fitness. FWIW.
Vito
| The numbers are irrelevant....it's the attitude that counts? It was the
| way he was trying to blame a lack of public transport for drunks on the
| road. It is completely the drunks fault if he/she gets behind the wheel
| and causes a crash. If your drinking is so out of control that you can't
| have just a couple (and stay under the limit)...as in you need to keep
| drinking past that point.....then they need professional help to get
| themselves under control, rather than find external things to blame
| their problem on.
Some urban neighborhoods have enough bars that the drinkers can walk to and
from them avoiding driving drunk. Yes, it is the drunks fault but most
drunks are in denial. "I don't drink. My friends do! I just have a few
beers. And "I never drive drunk. .....
| I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk."
Personally, I never drink and drive at all.
It's a difficult problem. If you fine the drunk his wife and kids have
less. If you put him in jail he cannot support them. I lean toward caning
and flogging but that's 'cruel and unusual' in this country.
Vito
[ So "pot or kettle" questions are really just timewasters.
They are not questions.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> Some urban neighborhoods have enough bars that the drinkers can walk to and
> from them avoiding driving drunk.
Maybe the real problem is that we don't have enough
neighborhood bars ? Possibly a stimulus program to
build more ?
don (Calgary)
It could be said everyone who drinks and drives does so deliberately,
regardless of their nationality.
BrianNZ
The thinking has to happen before the drinking. The person needs to make
a decision on how much they are going to drink and have the ability to
either stick to it and stay under the limit or arrange for other
transport home. As it effects different people in different ways, it's
important to be able to judge how you feel. If you only have a couple of
standard drinks and know you are under the limit, but don't feel good
enough to drive, then use your own judgment (albeit impaired) and don't
drive till you feel better.
BrianNZ
> "BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> | The numbers are irrelevant....it's the attitude that counts? It was the
> | way he was trying to blame a lack of public transport for drunks on the
> | road. It is completely the drunks fault if he/she gets behind the wheel
> | and causes a crash. If your drinking is so out of control that you can't
> | have just a couple (and stay under the limit)...as in you need to keep
> | drinking past that point.....then they need professional help to get
> | themselves under control, rather than find external things to blame
> | their problem on.
>
> Some urban neighborhoods have enough bars that the drinkers can walk to and
> from them avoiding driving drunk. Yes, it is the drunks fault but most
> drunks are in denial. "I don't drink. My friends do! I just have a few
> beers. And "I never drive drunk. .....
Then keep nailing the drunk drivers until they aren't in denial? I have
no problems with my friends drinking if I'm not. thats their choice.
Glad you don't drive drunk.
> | I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk."
>
> Personally, I never drink and drive at all.
>
> It's a difficult problem. If you fine the drunk his wife and kids have
> less. If you put him in jail he cannot support them. I lean toward caning
> and flogging but that's 'cruel and unusual' in this country.
>
Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
it's a new law and there are plenty of 'self help' agencies out there
that alcoholics can turn to for help. If thats what it takes to snap
them into reality, so be it. Thats what laws are for? To reform people?
MikeWhy
> Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
> it's a new law and there are plenty of 'self help' agencies out there that
> alcoholics can turn to for help. If thats what it takes to snap them into
> reality, so be it. Thats what laws are for? To reform people?
That is the real question, and we're not just talking about drunks anymore
here. Reform them into what? In who's image? Laws have never made a good
neighbor out of a bad one.
S'mee
ah the prattling rat attempts to expound on reality wihen he knows
nothing of reality...go back to contemplating your uncles navel,
chickenhawk.
S'mee
You forget the skunk you are talking to is one of those people.
S'mee
Oh piss off. It's not hard to forget the overpopulation in america.
S'mee
You are assuming he meant alcoholic beverages...
S'mee
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:28:17 -0800 (PST), "TOG@Toil"
>
> >On 4 Nov, 13:14, Shantideva Spirit <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 4, 4:57 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> >> > half times ours?
>
> >> Lack of public transportation in the States?
>
> >So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
>
> It could be said everyone who drinks and drives does so deliberately,
> regardless of their nationality.
agreed...
The Older Gentleman
Point taken. I really meant "Go out with the pre-formed intention of
getting steaming pissed and then driving afterwards"
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wrote:
> You've called me a dumb ass and an idiot. For not buying a lottery ticket.
> And for being aware of the rough odds of various types of illnesses and
> accidents.
>
> This truly is the newsgroup of the mentally ill.
You'd have to be a dumbass and an idiot to have been here as long as
you have and just figured that out now!
Vito
| Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
That's my point. We have been fining, jailing and pulling licenses for over
50 years that I know of yet we still have drunk drivers. Obviously that
doesn't work. It also punishes the drunks' kids who depend on him/her. It
is time to try some different punishments. Stocks? Flogging? Crucifixion?
But don't hold your breath. Most of our lawmakers are drunks.
Vito
| The thinking has to happen before the drinking. The person needs to make
| a decision on how much they are going to drink and have the ability to
| either stick to it and stay under the limit or arrange for other
| transport home. As it effects different people in different ways, it's
| important to be able to judge how you feel. If you only have a couple of
| standard drinks and know you are under the limit, but don't feel good
| enough to drive, then use your own judgment (albeit impaired) and don't
| drive till you feel better.
|
that and, since there are so many people, that comprises a whole lot of
drunk drivers. So, how do we deal with them? Current methods have proved
ineffective.
Bob Mann
news:hct2t8$6qc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Some leave the bar staggering drunk and don't have enough thought
> capacity left to consider what they're doing.
They have to drive.
They can't walk.
--
Bob Mann
Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.
Bob Mann
> Shantideva Spirit wrote:
> "Yes, Americans definitely do get drunk and drive and it would be much
> better if there was more public transportation to get the drunks off
> the road."
>
> The cop out I refer to is the way you are using a lack of public
> transportation as an excuse for drunks to be driving, rather than the
> drinkers learning some self control.
>
I feel so dirty but Krusty has a point.
Public transport in most areas of this continent is woefully inadequate.
They try to get people to use it but it doesn't work.
There is also a cultural aspect too.
Since people have grown up with multiple vehicles in the family they
disdain public transport. It's for losers.
It's not an excuse, not at all. There are still cabs available.
Still, people were asking why and there it is.
If someone asks why, they get an answer and then argue the point and accuse
the respondent with making excuses they are just acting like assholes.
S'mee
> "BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> | Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
> | it's a new law ....
>
> That's my point. We have been fining, jailing and pulling licenses for over
> 50 years that I know of yet we still have drunk drivers. Obviously that
> doesn't work. It also punishes the drunks' kids who depend on him/her. It
> is time to try some different punishments. Stocks? Flogging? Crucifixion?
Flogging would work...if performed publicly. Mind you there would be a
small percentage of people like Krusty who will either get popped for
DUI so they can be beaten or they'll be sitting in the shrubery
choking the chicken, spanking the monkey...you know self pleasuring
whilst watching others in pain.
> But don't hold your breath. Most of our lawmakers are drunks.
Well, they by gum they ought to be first in line.
S'mee
> BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote innews:4af20cdf$1...@news.orcon.net.nz:
Especially when you consider that PT can't work except in urban areas.
Sure wouldn't work in a the NW, again excepting urban areas.
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> don (Calgary) <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:28:17 -0800 (PST), "TOG@Toil"
> > <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >On 4 Nov, 13:14, Shantideva Spirit <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Nov 4, 4:57 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > >> > OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
> > >> > half times ours?
>
> > >> Lack of public transportation in the States?
>
> > >So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
>
> > It could be said everyone who drinks and drives does so deliberately,
> > regardless of their nationality.
>
> Point taken. I really meant "Go out with the pre-formed intention of
> getting steaming pissed and then driving afterwards"
You've got that type everywhere. Pathetic aren't they? Frankly those
types just don't give damn. 8^( Once you've been hit by scum with no
insurance, suspended license, expired plates you get a rather violent
attitude on how to deal with DUI drivers and drivers (who shouldn't be
driving) with suspended licenses. >8^| You get ruthlessly opinionated
and violent when you've lost family to drunk drivers. No quarter, they
are convicted before trial and should be shot down on the side of the
road like a rabid dog...it's the practical cure for the problem.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> "BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> | Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
> | it's a new law ....
>
> That's my point. We have been fining, jailing and pulling licenses for over
> 50 years that I know of yet we still have drunk drivers. Obviously that
> doesn't work. It also punishes the drunks' kids who depend on him/her. It
> is time to try some different punishments. Stocks? Flogging? Crucifixion?
Start by impounding and selling the car.
Vito
[ Especially when you consider that PT can't work except in urban areas.
[ Sure wouldn't work in a the NW, again excepting urban areas.
I tried it once upon a time. The red car from Compton to LA cost a buck
round trip - less than half what parking and gas cost. But it was hard to
find a parking place at the station because joy riders dumped so many stolen
cars there and if I did find one they'd strip my car during the day. Then I
got to sit beside the gal who bathed in perfume on the way up and beside the
drunk who never bathed on the way back.
Vito
"Due process" won't allow that if the car is owned in part by another
person - like his wife or brother.
Many police now have video. It is technically easy to make the drunk test
available to a judge & jury in real time and them to rule on the spot,
allowing the cops to lock the dude inside a chainlink enclosure like a dog
kennel for a few days of public abuse. There are a zillion variations on
this.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote
>
> "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> > "BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> > | Fine them, take their licences and/or throw them in jail. It's not like
> > | it's a new law ....
>
> > That's my point. We have been fining, jailing and pulling licenses for
> > over
> > 50 years that I know of yet we still have drunk drivers. Obviously that
> > doesn't work. It also punishes the drunks' kids who depend on him/her. It
> > is time to try some different punishments. Stocks? Flogging? Crucifixion?
>
> [ Start by impounding and selling the car.
>
> "Due process" won't allow that if the car is owned in part by another
> person - like his wife or brother.
I think due process probably could be made to allow
impounding the vehicle the drunk was driving and I
suspect it might make folks more careful about loaning
their cars to drunks.
The thing I like about taking away and keeping the
drunk's car is that it's a nice simple easy consequence,
not hard to grasp even if you're pretty drunk. That's as
compared with all the trial and lawyer stuff that goes
with the rest of the process.
If you're going to deter drunks, you better do it with
stuff that's easy for 'em to wrap their head around and
readily believe. Once a couple drinking buddys
loose their cars, it might sink in.
Better yet would be a mobile car crusher that cubed the
car on the spot, but that probably really would be a violation
of due process.
turby
BrianNZ
He was correct.... :)
BrianNZ
Same problems down here....and it's common for the drunk driver to have
no licence from a previous drunk driving incident. Maybe make it
compulsory for people convicted of drunk driving to attend some
Alcoholics Anonymous meetings to snap them out of their denial? I like
the idea of hardwired (to the ignition) breathalisers as well......and
make it an offence as serious as drunk driving for a sober person to
blow into it to get the drunk going? It's a hard one cos it really is up
to the individual to police themselves. We have random checkpoints all
the time....Police 'boozebuses' all kitted out to process the drunk
drivers on the spot and patrol cars set out on neighbouring streets to
snare any 'runners'.
Just last week a 16 year old girl was voted 'most sober' to drive a
vanload (7) of partygoers home. She was on her learners licence so is
not allowed to carry passengers, be driving after 10.30pm or have any
alcohol.....a fail on all three counts and she had a head-on which
killed two of her passengers and injured the rest, including the people
in the car she hit. A huge loss and cost that could easily have been
avoided.
S'mee
If I sat you down over couple of cups of coffee adn told you WHY I
wont drive after even one drink...it's a safe bet you'd never drink
before driving. I think I told Don (calgary) that one years ago on the
NART shirt ride.
No it wont have the same impact over the net.
BrianNZ
Re. the drunk drivers....Reform them into 'recovering alcoholics'. Make
the AA meetings compulsory?
Laws may not make a bad neighbour a good one, but they will haul him off
to jail if he breaks them.
S'mee
Then making them watch while it is scrapped? Oh and they still have to
make the payments!
S'mee
> "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote
Nope, shouldn't matter who's car it is, impound and scrap.
S'mee
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote
Your point being? That californiz...all freaks 8^) Try the Red Line or
Green line or commuter trains into and out of Boston. It works and the
crazy/homless/stupid people are amusing to watch.
BrianNZ
We have recently had 'car crushing' brought in for repeat offenders. All
it has changed is the quality of car that the drunks drive....the drunks
that know full well they are going out to get a skinfull and swerve home
on 'she'll be right,mate' luck. An unregistered , unwarranted $100 piece
of shit they can abondon if they crash and if they get pulled
over.....just add the fines to the drunk driving charge.
A couple of young guys died drag racing in town, after drinking. So the
family threw a massive party to 'mourn', treating the dead as some sort
of heroic outlaws rather than the stupid idiots they were.
BrianNZ
Sure, he's got a point, but like you say, it's not an excuse.
Maybe the culture needs to change?
BrianNZ
And not just drunk drivers....any driver who can't control their vehicle
and causes an 'accident'. tailgaters and people who don't indicate are
high on my list......
Rob Kleinschmidt
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> >> [ Start by impounding and selling the car.
> > Better yet would be a mobile car crusher that cubed the
> > car on the spot, but that probably really would be a violation
> > of due process.
>
> We have recently had 'car crushing' brought in for repeat offenders. All
> it has changed is the quality of car that the drunks drive....the drunks
> that know full well they are going out to get a skinfull and swerve home
> on 'she'll be right,mate' luck. An unregistered , unwarranted $100 piece
> of shit they can abondon if they crash and if they get pulled
> over.....just add the fines to the drunk driving charge.
I think that may be another part of the problem. In New York state,
when I was growing up, the plates had to be surrendered when
the registration or insurance lapsed. If you didn't surrender the
plates
as required, the cops would actually come by to pick them up.
I'm still amazed at how easy it is to buy a $100 POS and drive
it away with no registration, insurance or license. Drunk or
sober, you really shouldn't be able to do that.
> A couple of young guys died drag racing in town, after drinking. So the
> family threw a massive party to 'mourn', treating the dead as some sort
> of heroic outlaws rather than the stupid idiots they were.
I actually have very little problem with guys killing themselves
like that. It's the other people they may take out if they don't that
bothers me.
BrianNZ
I don't drink coffee. I know people who won't have even one drink
because they know they will have another.....and another. Humor me and
post the story....even a short version with the names changed so I won't
know it's you. :) I'm off for a ride soon, with a packed lunch and a 4
pack of bourbon cans.
BrianNZ
> On Nov 5, 11:55 am, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>
>>>> [ Start by impounding and selling the car.
>
>>> Better yet would be a mobile car crusher that cubed the
>>> car on the spot, but that probably really would be a violation
>>> of due process.
>> We have recently had 'car crushing' brought in for repeat offenders. All
>> it has changed is the quality of car that the drunks drive....the drunks
>> that know full well they are going out to get a skinfull and swerve home
>> on 'she'll be right,mate' luck. An unregistered , unwarranted $100 piece
>> of shit they can abondon if they crash and if they get pulled
>> over.....just add the fines to the drunk driving charge.
>
> I think that may be another part of the problem. In New York state,
> when I was growing up, the plates had to be surrendered when
> the registration or insurance lapsed. If you didn't surrender the
> plates
> as required, the cops would actually come by to pick them up.
>
> I'm still amazed at how easy it is to buy a $100 POS and drive
> it away with no registration, insurance or license. Drunk or
> sober, you really shouldn't be able to do that.
Here the plate stays 'live' for 12 months from when the registration
runs out....after 12 months and the registered owner gets a bill for a
years rego and the plates are 'dead', but still on the car. It's not
uncommon to see burnt out wrecks on the backroads....not stolen cars,
but drivable wrecks that have been in a chase, ditched and burnt out,
with the occupants getting a lift from the scene. Cellphones are great
for organising groups to beat the law.
>
>> A couple of young guys died drag racing in town, after drinking. So the
>> family threw a massive party to 'mourn', treating the dead as some sort
>> of heroic outlaws rather than the stupid idiots they were.
>
> I actually have very little problem with guys killing themselves
> like that. It's the other people they may take out if they don't that
> bothers me.
>
True, but it's down to luck, not skill. :(
S'mee
Ah, you forgot. Some of us take it for granted you leave the drunk in
the car when you crush it.
> A couple of young guys died drag racing in town, after drinking. So the
> family threw a massive party to 'mourn', treating the dead as some sort
> of heroic outlaws rather than the stupid idiots they were.
Breeding shows, mate, breeding shows.
S'mee
Don't put words in my mouth that aren't there.
BrianNZ
Now that would be novel....best extend the car crushing to rapists,
murderers, child molesters and thieving CEO's.......
>
>> A couple of young guys died drag racing in town, after drinking. So the
>> family threw a massive party to 'mourn', treating the dead as some sort
>> of heroic outlaws rather than the stupid idiots they were.
>
> Breeding shows, mate, breeding shows.
LOL...I suppose it does. :)
Chuck Rhode
> Public transport in most areas of this continent is woefully
> inadequate. They try to get people to use it but it doesn't work.
... and the reason has been known since 1838: Buses run a route, and
each starts out on a schedule, but, like a bank of elevators serving a
busy high-rise building (sorry for the anachronistic simile), over
most of the route their interarrival times at each stop are
exponentially distributed.
o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution
If a bus is scheduled every 20 minutes, it matters not when you arrive
at the bus stop; that's how long you wait (on average). If OTOH
inter-arrival times were uniformly randomly distributed (over an
interval), you would expect to wait only 10 minutes. I know this
sounds counter-intuitive. However, experience argues strongly in
favor of the exponential: Usually two buses are operating within sight
of one another, but every now and then there's an hour or more between
them, and on some days they don't run at all. If you recorded them
hitting a loose manhole cover next to the bus stop and played the
recording at high speed, it would sound like a Geiger counter reading
exponentially distributed atomic decay events.
--
.. Be Seeing You,
.. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
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.. 49° — Wind WNW 9 mph
MikeWhy
You're an odd one, talking all bold and brassy on one hand, and then hiding
behind nanny law skirts on the other. No, laws are not about reform. They're
about punishment when you harm your neighbors. If you want reform, seek it
on your own, before the fact. Your belated gathering of commonsense after
flattening my mailbox or FIL helps me precisely in what way? When I demand a
pound of your flesh in compensation, will I be satisfied with "I'm truly
sorry, Gov. I've learned me lesson now."
Chuck Rhode
... so how do *you* signal in a roundabout?
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S'mee
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:40:56 -0800, S'mee wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 1:01 pm, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> >> tailgaters and people who don't indicate are high on my list.....
> > Don't put words in my mouth that aren't there.
>
> ... so how do *you* signal in a roundabout?
>
If i'm going left I slap the idot on the left side of the head thus
making them swerve to the right...away from me. If right then I knock
off the right mirror thus they swerve right away from me and those in
front are busy watching the chaos caused by the idiot swerving
everywhichway so they aren't a problem. ;^) Oh! Roundabouts, ain't got
none o' them things, that's eurothrash toy.
BrianNZ
So if my neighbor is causing trouble and I harm him, I get punished, but
if I call the cops I'm hiding behind nanny law skirts?
When/where did the flattening of the mailbox happen!?
don (Calgary)
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>don (Calgary) <hd....@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:28:17 -0800 (PST), "TOG@Toil"
>> <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4 Nov, 13:14, Shantideva Spirit <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 4, 4:57 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > OK, next question: why is the US road death rate about three and a
>> >> > half times ours?
>> >>
>> >> Lack of public transportation in the States?
>> >
>> >So Americans *deliberately* drink and drive? Idiot.
>>
>> It could be said everyone who drinks and drives does so deliberately,
>> regardless of their nationality.
>
>Point taken. I really meant "Go out with the pre-formed intention of
>getting steaming pissed and then driving afterwards"
My guess is there is a relatively small percentage of people who would
fall into that group regardless of where they live.
I think there are many of us willing to drive with a certain amount of
impairment. I will still ride or drive after having a beer or two. Our
friend from NZ seems to hop on his bike, ride to the nearest bar and
top himself up to what he perceives as the legal limit, and then go
riding. On occasion he will piss off the bartender at the nearest
establishment and have to move on until he can find a bartender who
doesn't mind being treated as a servant.
Ignoring my needling for a minute, Brian is an example of someone who
deliberately rides impaired.
As for the steaming drunk group, my sense is there is a certain amount
of self deception involved there. They either think they are ok, not
impaired, or they are relatively sure they will not get caught.
So within this group, is one nation bettered behaved than another? I
doubt it. Depending on how rigidly impaired driving laws are enforced,
the arrest and conviction rates of one country compared to another
might present a skewed picture. That said, as far as drinking and
driving goes, I think people are basically the same the world over. At
least in the democratic developed countries. Most of us recognize it
is a dangerous activity and should be avoided.
turby
> ...
> That said, as far as drinking and
> driving goes, I think people are basically the same the world over. At
> least in the democratic developed countries. Most of us recognize it
> is a dangerous activity and should be avoided.
A month or two ago, I came home from the dentist in more pain than a
human should ever endure. It was seriously dangerous for me to ride in
that condition - distracted and more focused on the pain than traffic.
After most of a bottle of wine, a percoset, and a couple of pipes of
nontraditional herbal medicine, the pain was gone but I still needed
to fill a script at the pharmacy - a mile from home. I can't explain
it, and I certainly don't recommend it, but I felt more sober then
than after drinking one beer. I've since been tempted to duplicate the
experiment, but common sense always wins out.
don (Calgary)
wrote:
Ouch, first let me give you the name of my dentist.
As for the experiment, well I am glad you made it home safe. If the
secret is the nontraditional herbal medicine, maybe you can share it.
<g>
Mark Olson
> As for the experiment, well I am glad you made it home safe. If the
> secret is the nontraditional herbal medicine, maybe you can share it.
Nontraditional? I think not. Ever wonder why a Native American
peace pipe
1) is called a "peace" pipe?
2) looks suspiciously like a something you'd find in a head shop?
MikeWhy
You'll have to be far more specific about "causing trouble."
I see I've left out part of the context. DUI is a nanny law, as are laws
pertaining to cellphone usage, texting while driving, speeding, red light
cameras, and gun restrictions, among an almost endless list of others.
What's the harm of texting someone? None, of itself. What's the harm in
driving home drunk? Again, of itself, none.
In contrast, there are no laws expressly prohibiting you from, for example,
tossing the wife off the 10th floor balcony. The foreseeable consequence of
personal injury or death is already well covered. No special law is needed.
See how simple?
Do we need a "tossing tosspots off the balcony" law? As strange as this
might sound, no, I don't think so. If anything, the law should compel you to
do so, but I digress. Once you start down that road, you're instantly awash
in an endless sea of arbitrary definitions: "balcony"; "high story"; "blood
alcohol content"; "speed limit"; "follow distance". What should the
consequence be for tossing someone off a balcony? <Shrug> Dunno, but reform
and counselling can be helpful. Thank Gosh we caught you in time! You could
have really hurt someone.
There is only one such law that I might consider even remotely useful. The
law is against Stupid. It's stupid to drive while drunk. Stupid is
incurable; there is no reform for Stupid. Stupid is easily defined: I know
Stupid when I see it. See how simple?
don (Calgary)
wrote:
I lead such a sheltered life. I need to get out more. :-)
BrianNZ
So unless someone gets hurt, you should be able to do as you please?
BrianNZ
Head shop!?
psychiatrist?
brothel?
Rob Kleinschmidt
Place that sells accessories to aid in the consumption
of cannabis.
Found myself in one last year for the first time in a
couple decades, helping some of my in laws get their
dad set up with a prescription for medical marijuana.
Shantideva Spirit
> Head shop!?
Remember what the Dormouse said
Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head
---Grace Slick, "White Rabbit"...
Shantideva Spirit
> DUI is a nanny law, as are laws
> pertaining to cellphone usage, texting while driving, speeding, red light
> cameras, and gun restrictions, among an almost endless list of others.
> What's the harm of texting someone? None, of itself. What's the harm in
> driving home drunk? Again, of itself, none.
Yeah, well, if you get convicted of drunk driving in California three
times in a ten year period, you'll go to state prison for a year, even
if you didn't hurt anybody.
And every California driver has to sign a statement that documents
their understanding that they can harm or kill somebody if they drive
drunk.
BrianNZ
I see....he's known as the 'guru gardener' here. :)
MikeWhy
Unless it harms someone, your actions are completely benign. Definition, but
not the entire point. The point, Dense One, is there are already laws
covering reckless driving, battery, and manslaughter. Imagine your tax money
going to finance apartment balcony safety checks. Imagine surprise
inspections to enforce the plethora of balcony safety laws.
MikeWhy
Stupid is as stupid does. Take that however you will. California's zeal for
reactionary law making is legendary.
BrianNZ
It's known as a building inspection and we do have building inspectors.
There are rules and regulations in place for the
height,size,balustrades, fixings etc. Until it is signed off by the
building inspector, you don't get to legally occupy your building. Same
goes for swimming pool fencing.....
To have a balcony with no balustrades harms no-one, same goes for the
lack of any pool fencing....but....kids do wander (sure, the parents
should have been keeping a better eye on them) and the balustrade/fence
keeps them out of harms way of falling or drowning.
J. Clarke
Only time mine ever got flattened other than by a snowplow it was a
halloween prank--somebody nailed it with a pumpkin. That was so perfectly
Halloween that I didn't even feel annoyed about it.