Intruder Pros/Cons
Tomas Wilson
this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
'94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
- Tomas
twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
Jon N. Steiger
: I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
: - Tomas
: twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
Awesome bike, dude! I want one too, when I get the cash.
The 800's looks pretty much suck IMHO. What the heck was
Suzuki thinking with that front tire? The 1400 is infinately
better. (IMHO of course).
-Jon-
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Graeme Harrison
- Tomas
twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
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My brother-in-law owned one. He had an acute case of buyer's remorse as
the bike was a PITA to ride. Looks good, but that's about it, dude. I'd
avoid the Intruder 1400 like the plague unless fond memories of an old
chopped Shovelhead makes the emotional attraction too great to resist.
Intruder 800 a better choice, but look at the Shadows, Vulcans and
Viragos if you haven't done so already.
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Graeme Harrison (ghar...@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649
Robert Mugele
: I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
: this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
: '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
: - Tomas
: twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
CON
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Rex Vaughn
> Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
> : I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
> : this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
> : '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
>
>
> : - Tomas
> : twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
>
>
> CON
the price sticker . The first thing I would do on it though would be throw
awaythe stock rubber. In medium to hard corners I have had my bike become the
world's worst flattracker on earth. In rain corners the tires perform just as
bad. I have heard that the metzlers make the bike perform like it should. I
love my Intruder. It has more torque than a bulldozer and nothing can touch
the top gear roll-ons. It looks better than a harley it sounds better than a
harley. And it will damn sure out run a harley. Keep the Shiny Side Up.
Rex Vaughn
John Koegler
>
>Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
>: I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
>: this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
>: '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
>
exact same. I asked the salesman the difference and the only is the price
in the bikes. The 94 model was increase because Japan was expecting
increases in import taxes and interest rates.
Likes:
The bike has alot of torque (78ft-lbs)
great acceleration for a cruiser
Very stable, perfect for two people
It rumbles
Lots of chrome, great polish
Shifting is very smooth
Dislikes:
Being 6'2", the pegs are too far in. I like the streched out feel.
The seat is extremely hard. My butt was sore after one hour
of riding.
The suspension is very hard, too much dampening
The passenger's seat is too small with too small of a sissy bar.
To make the Intruder 1400 a perfect bike I would first find a comfortable seat,
and then put highway pegs or move the control forward. I believe this is a
very well made bike and I was quite impressed by it.
But, when the time came to spend by money, I bought the Honda Shadow 1100
The waying factors were the fact that it had streched out controls, the driver's
seat is very comfortable and wide, and the passenger's seat is one of the
best I have seen on the recent cruisers. Although I lost about 10ft-lb of torque
I could barely notice it but the Shadow has a little more horsepower (2). I
payed 7000 for a candy apple red one and have not been disappointed in my
purchase.
A hint that I find useful in determining what cruiser to by is to bring along your
wife or girlfriend and see how the bike handles with a second passenger and
how the second passenger likes the bike. My girlfriend's decision on the
Shadow convienced me to buy one that was comfortable for both of us.
John Koegler
Hewlett-Packard
>
Jon N. Steiger
: Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
: : I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
: : this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
: : '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
: Having ridden both a '92 and an '89 1400, I'd personally steer clear of
: the critter. The only way I can describe it, is the front end wallows
: down the road.
: ss
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Shannon Scott shan...@colossus.wv.tek.com
Could you be just a little more specific? I have a hard time
immagining a bike with an engine almost the size of my car
"wallowing" down the road. There is a guy in my town that uses his
1400 Intruder for drag racing. "Wallow" is not the first word that
comes to mind. I should think that the front tire would be
skipping along the surface of the road... Might need to tie a
cinder block or something up there.
(Oh, I forgot, you can't wheelie a shaftie)
Randy Davis
Brooks Cooper <coo...@lclark.edu> wrote:
|:Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
|:: I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
|:: this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
|:: '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
|
|of one?
About twice the power? More fun to ride as a result? Other than styling
(cruiser), there isn't much to validate the "imitation" comment...
Randy Davis
DoD #0013
"...But, this one goes to *eleven*!" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
Mike=Batchelor%...@bangate.compaq.com
>
> I think *NOT*. The Intruder will outperform just about any
>H-D. (X-ept the sportbike).
> Also, I do not feel that the Intruder is an imitation of Harley.
>It is my personal opinion that the Intruder looks better than
>any Harley ever made. This goes for just about all Jap cruisers.
> They aren't covered with all those flashy chrome plates that
>clutter up most Harleys. They run better, they are more reliable,
>and just plain *better* bikes.
> Flame away, sucker!
>
> -Jon-
>
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, hhhhhhhaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, where is the customizing sh*t for the intruder. You know,
like Fat Bob tanks, 5 speed transmissions, softail rear ends, wide
glide or springer forks, stroker kits, carb kits, aircleaners, shocks,
rims, tires, tachs, chrome or billet aluminum goodies........................
About the only thing you can do to a intruder is paint it!
My biggest gripe with the Intruder is there is no leg room for my
six foot frame. They need to have a forward control option. (Yea, right)
And a 5 speed tranny, and 5 gallon tanks, and..............
MikeB
90FXSTS
Looked at Intruder 1400 but got a Harley instead!
David DeCoster
|> Mike=Batchelor%Desktop%PCPD=H...@bangate.compaq.com wrote:
|>
|> >Ha, ha, ha, ha, hhhhhhhaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
|>
|> > Ok, where is the customizing sh*t for the intruder. You know,
|> >like Fat Bob tanks, 5 speed transmissions, softail rear ends, wide
|> >glide or springer forks, stroker kits, carb kits, aircleaners, shocks,
|> >rims, tires, tachs, chrome or billet aluminum goodies........................
|> >About the only thing you can do to a intruder is paint it!
|> > My biggest gripe with the Intruder is there is no leg room for my
|> >six foot frame. They need to have a forward control option. (Yea, right)
|> >And a 5 speed tranny, and 5 gallon tanks, and..............
|>
|> debate: Yeah, the HD is a fine cycle - but AFTER you spend thousands
|> of dollars for what is essentially a base unit, THEN you gotta go out
|> and spend another $X,000 before you consider it a decent bike. Yikes!
|> I like the "buy it and then just ride it" strategy.
|>
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|> | Charles Robinson Mpls, Minnesota | 1990 FJ1200 1980 CB750F |
|> | email: cr0...@medtronic.com | |
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|>
How come I am always reading here about putting in new front fork springs,
preloading the front end, new rear shocks, different tires, performance exhaust.
Not to mention different handle bars and seats, fairings and windshields.
Also if you haven't checked there is a whole new market out there for Gold Wing
addon stuff. When was the last time you looked in a White Bros catalog. Shit
only about a third of that catalog is for HD. The rest is for all the other marques
out there. I think MOST of the people "that buy it and just ride it strategy" either
have no imagination, are mechanically inept, or lazy/posuer. Personally I like a
bike that I know that there is no other just like mine. Hell we are all different
why shouldn't our bikes be too.
--
Davey D
For those who understand, NO explanation
is needed, for those who don't understand,
NO explanation will be given!
Jon N. Steiger
: In article <1994Mar27....@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
: |> David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
: |> : In article <1994Mar25.0...@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
: |> : |> Brooks Cooper (coo...@lclark.edu) wrote:
: |> : |> : Robert Mugele (rmu...@oracle.com) wrote:
: |> : |> : : Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
: |> : |> : : : I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
: |> : |> : : : this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
: |> : |> : : : '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
: |> : |>
: |> : |>
: |> : |> : : : - Tomas
: |> : |> : : : twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
: |> : |>
: |> : |>
: |> : |> : : CON
: |> : |> : Sporster? Used FX series? Why not get a Harley, not a poor imitiation
: |> : |>
: |> : |>
: |> : |> I think *NOT*. The Intruder will outperform just about any
: |> : |> H-D. (X-ept the sportbike).
: |> : |> Also, I do not feel that the Intruder is an imitation of Harley.
: |> : |> It is my personal opinion that the Intruder looks better than
: |> : |--> Kinda says it all. You know what they say 'bout opinions
: |> :
: |> : |> any Harley ever made. This goes for just about all Jap cruisers.
: |> : |> They aren't covered with all those flashy chrome plates that
: |> : |> clutter up most Harleys. They run better, they are more reliable,
: |> : |> and just plain *better* bikes.
: |> : |> Flame away, sucker!
: |> : |>
: |> : |> -Jon-
: |>
: |> : And IT IS a Harley imitation.
: |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: |>
: |> Oh, so it's a fact, is it?
: |>
: |>
: |> Prove it.
: |>
[Davey's messy, ironclad proof deleted]
:
: Also HD came first.
:
: --
: Davey D
: For those who understand, NO explanation
: is needed, for those who don't understand,
: NO explanation will be given!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good Idea: You'll just look stupid
trying to explain something you're
wrong about!
Hmmmm... Let's see. Let's apply your logic to automobiles:
Camaro Mustang
------------------------ -------------------------
V-8 engine V-8 engine
2-doors 2-doors
Paint looks like Ford paint Paint is Ford paint
Runs on gasoline Runs on gasoline
has 4 tires has 4 tires
has a steering wheel has a steering wheel
supposed to go fast supposed to go fast
is a car (Davey should is a car (Davey should
sell his bike and stick sell his bike and stick
to cages) cages)
Gee, I guess the Camaro is an imitation of the Mustang?
By the way: paint is paint is paint. Get a life.
David DeCoster
|> David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
|> : In article <1994Mar27....@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
|> : |> David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
|> : |> : In article <1994Mar25.0...@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
|> : |> : |> Brooks Cooper (coo...@lclark.edu) wrote:
|> : |> : |> : Robert Mugele (rmu...@oracle.com) wrote:
|> : |> : |> : : Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
Old stuf deleted.
|>
|> : For those who understand, NO explanation
|> : is needed, for those who don't understand,
|> : NO explanation will be given!
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good Idea: You'll just look stupid
|> trying to explain something you're
|> wrong about!
|>
|> Hmmmm... Let's see. Let's apply your logic to automobiles:
|>
|> Camaro Mustang
|> ------------------------ -------------------------
|> V-8 engine V-8 engine
|> 2-doors 2-doors
|> Paint looks like Ford paint Paint is Ford paint
|> Runs on gasoline Runs on gasoline
|> has 4 tires has 4 tires
|> has a steering wheel has a steering wheel
|> supposed to go fast supposed to go fast
|> is a car (Davey should is a car (Davey should
|> sell his bike and stick sell his bike and stick
|> to cages) cages)
|>
|> Gee, I guess the Camaro is an imitation of the Mustang?
|>
|> By the way: paint is paint is paint. Get a life.
|>
|> -Jon-
|>
The Intruder came out because the Japanese wanted a piece of the
Harley market that they couldn't get with line up they had.
Ford came out with the Mustang and GM wanted a piece of the
market that they could not get with what they had on the market.
So, they came out with the Camaro. But, they obviously don't
look alike.
I'll admit that I am a Harley bigot. But I started out on Cushman scooters.
Then went to a 49cc Gilrea(affectionatly know as a gorilla at the time).
After that I rode Hondas, Triumphs, Nortons and Yamahas. I have been
riding Harley now for 26 yrs. They work for me.
If you want to discuss/argue about bikes I'll do that, but, people like
you just have to throw in the personal insults. I would suggest that
you sell your bikes and cages and start riding the bus so you can
squeeze your dick any time you want.
Josh J Fielek
|>
|> So you like to ride on cookie cutter machines, Yea.
|> So you like to drive cookie cutter cars, Yea.
|> So you like to live in a cookie cutter house, Yea.
|>
|> You know, I just got tired of riding the same bike that
|> the dealer delivers and can't do a damn thing to it.
|> MikeB
|> 90FXSTS - She is different, because I made her that way.
by adding a bunch of cookie cutter bolt-on parts.
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Inter-National Research Institute 1986 VF1000R 1984 XL250R
j...@speedy.inri.com 1982 CM450E 1972 RD350
"Whip it. Whip it Good." - Devo 1988 EX500 198X Aero 80
Wallace Roberts
[ ...enormous, resounding "snip" echoes throughout the net... ]
> Gee, I guess the Camaro is an imitation of the Mustang?
i agreed with your post, jon, but you _really_ shot yourself in the foot
with this'un; the camaro originally _was_ an imitation mustang, or at
least it was shove-rolet's answer to the mustang.
gears,
ye wilde ryder
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"E Pluribus Unix" | 79 it250 "mr. reliable"
"Criminals (especially tyrants) prefer unarmed victims."
"Ignorance can be cured; stupidity, on the other hand, is hereditary."
Jon N. Steiger
Ahhhhh! Bingo! You have hit the nail right on the head. An
*answer* does not have to imitate. I will agree that the Intruder
could be an answer to H-D's, but it is not an imitation.
A Harley (except the sportbike) is a cruiser, an Intruder is
a cruiser. That is where the "imitation" begins and ends.
I will concede that Harley-Davidson was making cruisers while
Yamaha was still making pianos, so on that point, you could consider
any bike which is a cruiser to be an "imitation" of a Harley-D.
Japan's answer to Milwakee is so strong, it could be considered
overkill. They sure do know how to build 'em!
H-D: "Here we have a cruiser which has the same weight to power
ratio as a Chevette, with an engine which exists only to
vibrate you and leak oil. If you buy this bike, you can
put tattoos all over your body, be cool, pretend to
be 'bad', and laugh at the Jap-Crap passing you."
Suzuki: "Here we have a cruiser which has the power to weight ratio
of putting a 427ci in a 10 speed. It will run reliably
for the duration of your life. If you buy this bike, you
will have lots and lots of *fast* fun running Harleys' off
the road. BTW, you could buy two for the price of that H-D.
Bruce T. Brodnax
Jon N. Steiger <stei...@pat.cs.fredonia.edu> wrote:
>David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
>: In article <1994Mar27....@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>,
stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
>: |> David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
>: |> : In article <1994Mar25.0...@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>,
stei...@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
>: |> : |> Brooks Cooper (coo...@lclark.edu) wrote:
>: |> : |> : Robert Mugele (rmu...@oracle.com) wrote:
>: |> : |> : : Tomas Wilson (twi...@eecs.wsu.edu) wrote:
>: |> : |> : : : I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder
1400. Any comments about
>: |> : |> : : : this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a
'93 for ~$700 less than a
>: |> : |> : : : '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last
year's models?
[A lot of wasted space and repetitive stuff deleted. And redudancies. And
a pointedly spurious comparison in refutation of a mostly valid comparison]
>
> Gee, I guess the Camaro is an imitation of the Mustang? >
> By the way: paint is paint is paint. Get a life.
>
> -Jon-
>
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>I stei...@pat.cs.fredonia.edu | doesn't grind, take it back to I
>I steig...@a12t.cc.fredonia.edu| the dealer and make them fix it! I
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Gee, this thing is getting reeeeaally long! Think you could start
deleting the first, say, two or three screensful of repeted text?
FWIW - Yes, the Suzuki Intruder *is* a knockoff of the Harley. H-D pretty
much defines the market and the Japanese makers recognize this a try
their best to produce machines of sufficiently derivative nature to
capture a part of the market for that style bike. But that's O.K.; the
more options the better. Competition makes for better alternatives... And
yes, while I might prefer the Harley, I'm not particularly enthused by
waiting a year to take delivery. <Grumble>
Fly low and avoid the radar!
Bruce Brodnax
Mike=Batchelor%...@bangate.compaq.com
> H-D: "Here we have a cruiser which has the same weight to power
> ratio as a Chevette, with an engine which exists only to
> vibrate you and leak oil. If you buy this bike, you can
> put tattoos all over your body, be cool, pretend to
> be 'bad', and laugh at the Jap-Crap passing you."
>
>Suzuki: "Here we have a cruiser which has the power to weight ratio
> of putting a 427ci in a 10 speed. It will run reliably
> for the duration of your life. If you buy this bike, you
> will have lots and lots of *fast* fun running Harleys' off
> the road. BTW, you could buy two for the price of that H-D.
>
> -Jon-
>
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>I stei...@pat.cs.fredonia.edu | doesn't grind, take it back to I
>I steig...@a12t.cc.fredonia.edu| the dealer and make them fix it! I
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Jon,
I would like to know where you get the performance numbers.
The Suzuki is no more faster in the quarter mile than a Sportster.
If I wanted to go fast, I WOULDN'T do it on a Harley or Suzuki.
For the price of the Intruder 1400, I would buy a Ducati 900SS CR.
Then I can go fast on a V-Twin.
I tell you what, the Yamaha Virago 750's are real slow......punk
MikeB
90FXSTS
Rex Vaughn
MikeB,
I am sorry to tell you this mike, but the Intruder runs a 12.66 quarter mile
while your pathetic sportster only turns in results in the 14's and high 13's.
So maybe you should look at the numbers again.
Rex Vaughn
91 Intruder 1400
David DeCoster
|> In article <7650335...@131.168.114.12>, Mike=Batchelor%Desktop%PCPD=H...@bangate.compaq.com writes:
|>
|> I am sorry to tell you this mike, but the Intruder runs a 12.66 quarter mile
|> while your pathetic sportster only turns in results in the 14's and high 13's.
|> So maybe you should look at the numbers again.
|>
|> Rex Vaughn
|> 91 Intruder 1400
|>
|>
Ok, well average the pathetic sportster time to 13.5.
And sub tract the Intruder time 12.66 and we get .84 sec.
So the guy on the Intruder get the ticket 1 sec before the
guy on the Sportster.
Brooks Cooper
: Brooks Cooper (coo...@lclark.edu) wrote:
: : Robert Mugele (rmu...@oracle.com) wrote:
: : : : I am presently considering purchasing an Intruder 1400. Any comments about
: : : : this bike would be appreciated. Also, I can get a '93 for ~$700 less than a
: : : : '94... any reason to go for the '94 instead of last year's models?
: : : : - Tomas
: : : : twi...@eecs.wsu.edu
: : : CON
: : Sporster? Used FX series? Why not get a Harley, not a poor imitiation
: : of one?
: : Brooks
: : '81 FXS-80
: : '76 CB750k
: I think *NOT*. The Intruder will outperform just about any
: H-D. (X-ept the sportbike).
: Also, I do not feel that the Intruder is an imitation of Harley.
: It is my personal opinion that the Intruder looks better than
: any Harley ever made. This goes for just about all Jap cruisers.
: They aren't covered with all those flashy chrome plates that
: clutter up most Harleys. They run better, they are more reliable,
: and just plain *better* bikes.
: Flame away, sucker!
: -Jon
The following is not intended as a flame :-)
First,
The continual myths about Harley reliability are just that, myths.
Yes, Harleys require maintenance and yes it is more than some
bikes, but it is less than others. If you want solely reliability
don't mess around with a KawZukda or Harley, get a BMW R or K bike.
Second,
If I recall, the originally poster did not ask, "what bike can I get
which can launch me into orbit and do wheelies in 5th gear?" So, I'm
not sure where your "performance" argument fits in. The Intruder, stock
is faster than some Harleys, stock, and slower than some, stock (notably
my fxs and most fxr series bikes) and certainly slower than an '883 or
'1200 sportster. But top speed is not relevant for normal, everyday riding
and any motorcycle will have plenty of accelaration for that type of riding.
So, I don't see what your spurious (and misguided) performance argument has to
do with the post or my response.
Third,
Aesthetics are a matter of personal taste. Thus, the fact that you don't
like the "chrome plates" (I must confess to being a bit puzzled as to what
you meant by this) on Harleys is certainly a useful opinion to offer. I
find all the "harley-imitation" japanese cruisers to be aesthetically
repugnant, not only in comparison with the original but, in their own right
as well. But, that's a matter of personal taste which the original poster
will have to work out for himself by looking at the bikes.
Finally,
I cannot believe that anyone would seriously argue that the intruder/virago
(whatever honda calls theirs) bikes are _not_ inspired by, derived from,
imitations of, the Harley style and aesthetic. I find this ludicrous.
Ok,
I'm done now.
Brooks
'81 FXS-80
'76 CB750K (for sale, email if interested)
Mike=Batchelor%...@bangate.compaq.com
>I am sorry to tell you this mike, but the Intruder runs a 12.66 quarter mile
>while your pathetic sportster only turns in results in the 14's and high 13's.
>So maybe you should look at the numbers again.
>
>Rex Vaughn
>91 Intruder 1400
>
Last time I looked, the US spec Sportster, Not the Kalifornia model, ran in the
low 13's. So this is not bad for a 1200 vs. a 1400cc displacement.
But my 82 GPz1100 ran in the low 9's, so what does this prove????
MikeB
90FXSTS
Chris BeHanna
:>In article <1994Mar28.2...@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@pat.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
:>|> Hmmmm... Let's see. Let's apply your logic to automobiles:
:>|>
:>|> Camaro Mustang
:>|> ------------------------ -------------------------
:>|> V-8 engine V-8 engine
:>|> 2-doors 2-doors
:>|> Paint looks like Ford paint Paint is Ford paint
:>|> Runs on gasoline Runs on gasoline
:>|> has 4 tires has 4 tires
:>|> has a steering wheel has a steering wheel
:>|> supposed to go fast supposed to go fast
:>|> is a car (Davey should is a car (Davey should
:>|> sell his bike and stick sell his bike and stick
:>|> to cages) cages)
:>|>
:>|> Gee, I guess the Camaro is an imitation of the Mustang?
:>|>
:>|> By the way: paint is paint is paint. Get a life.
:>|>
:>|> -Jon-
:>|>
:>The Intruder came out because the Japanese wanted a piece of the
:>Harley market that they couldn't get with line up they had.
:>Ford came out with the Mustang and GM wanted a piece of the
:>market that they could not get with what they had on the market.
:>So, they came out with the Camaro. But, they obviously don't
:>look alike.
Um, that's not why the Camaro came to be. Originally, the Camaro
came to be to race in the Trans Am series in the 1960s. The engine was a
327 destroked to 305 to fit the rules for the series. There was no bit of
Ford Rustang imitation involved.
Nowadays, the Camaro kicks the Mustang's ass in handling, acceleration,
looks, and price/performance. 275HP LT-1 with a T-56 behind it vs. the same
tired 225 HP 302 with a shatters-like-glass T-5 behind it. Hmm...not much of a
contest.
:>I'll admit that I am a Harley bigot. But I started out on Cushman scooters.
:>Then went to a 49cc Gilrea(affectionatly know as a gorilla at the time).
:>After that I rode Hondas, Triumphs, Nortons and Yamahas. I have been
:>riding Harley now for 26 yrs. They work for me.
I'm glad for you. I tried 'em, and for now at least, they don't work
for me. Not as a primary ride anyway. John Stafford gave me the "build a
chop" bug, but I don't have the time, money, or space for it right now.
Damn. Now I've done it: I've gotten sucked into a Harley vs. Harley
Clones flamewar. Shit! And I've been so carefully avoiding it up to now.
:>If you want to discuss/argue about bikes I'll do that, but, people like
:>you just have to throw in the personal insults. I would suggest that
:>you sell your bikes and cages and start riding the bus so you can
:>squeeze your dick any time you want.
(snrph, gag, gargle). Don't DO that! How do you expect me to stay
properly hydrated when I'm spraying my water all over the screen!
:>Davey D
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I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. 1987 EX500 - the RaceBike
Wallace Roberts
>In article <2n9fcc$p...@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> David DeCoster (deco...@north.rchland.ibm.com) wrote:
>:>In article <1994Mar28.2...@penny.cs.fredonia.edu>, stei...@pat.cs.fredonia.edu (Jon N. Steiger) writes:
[ ...megasnip(tm)... ]
>:>Ford came out with the Mustang and GM wanted a piece of the
>:>market that they could not get with what they had on the market.
>:>So, they came out with the Camaro. But, they obviously don't
>:>look alike.
>
> Um, that's not why the Camaro came to be. Originally, the Camaro
>came to be to race in the Trans Am series in the 1960s. The engine was a
>327 destroked to 305 to fit the rules for the series. There was no bit of
>Ford Rustang imitation involved.
i'm really surprised at you, chris; you normally have your facts pretty
well lined up before you post. i guess we all make mistakes, & you're no
exception.
if you read the history surrounding the development of the shove-rolet
cram-maro (see, it's easy to create insulting cage-names :-), you'll
discover that gm created it as an answer to the ford mustang. oh yeah,
sure, the gm guys'll make all kinds of noise about the trans-am series,
but the fact that ford's mustang outsold its wildest marketing
projections, followed by a "ponycar" from gm 2.5 years later? come on,
chris, i'm sure you can do the math; this isn't diff-e-q here... :-)
> Nowadays, the Camaro kicks the Mustang's ass in handling, acceleration,
>looks, and price/performance. 275HP LT-1 with a T-56 behind it vs. the same
>tired 225 HP 302 with a shatters-like-glass T-5 behind it. Hmm...not much of a
>contest.
may i recommend a more historical perspective. over the years, the
trade rags have done a pretty good job of documenting the continuing
battle between the mustang & the camaro since their inceptions. first
the stang, then the camaro, then the stang... it's kinda like good sex,
where first one, then the other's on top... :-)
what do you think will happen to the 275hp camaro when the mustang gets
the modular 4.6L 300-hp engine next year? do you think the tide may turn
yet again? can you say "competition is a good thing?" i knew you
could.
now, let's get back to talking about bikes. this cage talk makes my eyes
glaze over with boredom...
gears,
ye wilde ryder
--
robe...@agcs.com | 86 cr250 "dirt devil" 83 v65 magna "animal"
Josh J Fielek
[Stuff about 1400 Intruder deleted...]
|> Dislikes:
|> Being 6'2", the pegs are too far in. I like the streched out feel.
|> The seat is extremely hard. My butt was sore after one hour
|> of riding.
|> The suspension is very hard, too much dampening
Suspension has no "dampening". The word is DAMPING. The suspension "DAMPING" is
excessive.
Dampening is what happens when you ride in the rain. Or when you wash the bike.
sav...@delphi.com
>|Sporster? Used FX series? Why not get a Harley, not a poor imitiation
>|of one?
delivered?...
Randy Davis
<Mike=Batchelor%Desktop%PCPD=H...@bangate.compaq.com> wrote:
|>I am sorry to tell you this mike, but the Intruder runs a 12.66 quarter mile
|>while your pathetic sportster only turns in results in the 14's and high 13's.
|
|low 13's. So this is not bad for a 1200 vs. a 1400cc displacement.
Would you rather one were to compare the "performance" of one of the big
twins to the Intruder? As I recall, the big twins are even slower.
| But my 82 GPz1100 ran in the low 9's, so what does this prove????
Proves that you got sucked into a stupid debate on the relative performance
of Harley Davidson's versus other bikes, one that it seems that Davey D
started (since he was the first one to try to state that a stock Harley had
comparable performance to a stock Intruder, which is pretty silly).
Just *why* are you debating this, Mike? It sounds like you already agree
with this particular point being made.
Randy Davis
Oh, THAT's rich, like *I* would write what "sav...@delphi.com" quotes as me
saying above. Someone needs to get a clue about their news system and
attribution lines, "savela"... (No, I didn't write what you are trying to
attribute to me).
Wallace Roberts
[ ...harleys are the baddest, blah, blah, blah... ]
>Ok,
>I'm done now.
>
>Brooks
>'81 FXS-80
>'76 CB750K (for sale, email if interested)
i noticed in your .sig that you have both an 81 hawg & an older honda
cb750. this *definitely* calls for one of those olde phart(tm) anecdotes
(you've been warned... :-)
many moons ago (ca. 1980 :-), i had a buddy that bought a brand-spankin'
new hawg low-rider. it was a very beautiful bike, but quite expensive at
the time. he paid just a hair over $6k for it. i, otoh, have always
been somewhat of a skinflint when it comes down to shelling out
hard-earned cashish on a bike, so i typically buy used. i had located an
old, deserted 71 cb750 sitting out by this guy's place. i asked him if
he'd sell it, he said "sure" & i whittled him down to $600 for it. now
this cb750 was in excellent shape, mechanically, & had received several
tastefully done chrome add-ons, but looked like @#!$#$ from neglect. i
spent a few hours with some elbow grease & motorcycle polish, had the
tank & sidecovers repainted in black gloss (for free; a friend owed me a
favor... :-), & ended up with a very nice looking bike for 1/10 what my
buddy had paid.
but that's not all.
one gorgeous fall day, we took a ride with some fine young ladies up to
this beautiful mountain lake. the leaves were all turning, the weather
was excellent, the ladies proved to be very good company... everything
was great.
until the ride back.
where my buddy's ego committed a manual override on his brain & asserted
a sudden need to prove his bike's superiority over mine. unfortunately
for him, his chose to do battle in the performance arena; he attempted
to race me back to town. iow, he brought a knife to a gunfight.
when he first passed me, i just thought he wanted to "pick up the pace"
to get back to town more quickly. i obliged by quickly catching up.
he then looked over at me, grinned foolishly, laid down on the tank &
went wfo. his lady friend laid down also.
i allowed him to build up a considerable lead.
i then casually downshifted & gave the old 750 free reign.
both me & my passenger were sitting bolt upright as we rocketed past.
so much for his $6k bike's "superiority."
several months later, his bike was repossessed by the bank.
i kept the old cb750 for several more years & many more pleasant,
trouble-free miles before selling it for $600.
now, don't get me wrong -- i think hawgs are beautiful bikes. i wouldn't
mind owning one, & probably will someday when i'm independently
wealthy... :-) but i have to chuckle to myself when the h-d owners get
all up in arms about how much better their bikes are than the "rice"
bikes.
shyeah, right.