: Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
I've only riden the 750 but I'm told that the 1100 does not have
'significantly' more power. When I was riding my 750 I had a friend who
had recently upgraded to an 1100. In his opinion, the extra money he paid
for it and the large increase in insurance didn't offset the slight
increase in power. He did say he liked the extra low-end torque though.
: Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
: Are they both shaft drives?
: Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts
: snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start
: it to go home. But that's another thread...
I've seen many stories here of Virago's with amazing amounts of mileage
on them. They are very reliable bikes. The only thing to watch for is
the starters which are well known for their (blender full of marbles)
sound. This can be fixed witha shim kit though.
If you are looking at a used Virago, I'd recommend staying away from the
ones made in the early 80's with the LCD screens. If they ever break or
take on water they are extremely expensive to replace (and can't be
repaired).
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Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
Are they both shaft drives?
Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start it to go home. But that's another thread...
Thanks.
Howard.
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hendler...@jpmorgan.com
'83 Nighthawk 650
*I am on my second Shadow VT1100C. I bought the new one to get the colors.
*I seriously enjoy the bike and use it for long distance one-up touring.
Recently, some very nice after-market stuff by Cobra has allowed me to
dress it up nicely. Motorcycle Consumer News compared the Shadow and
Virago this year along with others of the class. They have an e-mail
address, so send for the article. Not much difference, I felt.
*I prefer the Shadow for looks and its absolute bulletproof mechanicals.
*The only downside to the VT1100C is it's 4-speed transmission...a little
lame around 45mph in 4th, so you hav to keep the revs up a bit in 3rd.
*Hope this helps.
Enjoy. Dr. Ken
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On 23 Oct 1995 13:34:58 GMT,
Although I ride a smaller bike, I have looked at the larger ones, also.
Mostly in connection with buying one for my hubby.
: Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?a
My husband (who has ridden both and can/may be able to tell you more)
has not seen a big difference between the bikes. There is definitely
more power in the 1100, but not enough more to make it seem like a big
step up.
The 1100 Virago is just a 750 bored out to 1100 ccs. It also has that
extra little mechanical doohickey on it Which I can't remember what it
is. (This should give you a clue about taking advice from me) It only
weighs 7 pounds more than the 750. I have to admit that I am not sure
that the extra 350 ccs are worth the extra money!
: Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800? a
Yes, a 750. The shadow is heavier than the Virago. Otherwise I can't
tell you much (I don't like the radiator, so I kinda discounted it. And
t
its too heavy.)
: Are they both shaft drives?
If its not the ACE, I think yes., At least as lately as 94 they were
both shafties. The ACE, I believe is a chain driven bike
: Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start it to go home. But that's another thread...
motorcycle Consumer News did a shoot out of big and medium cruisers in
the last year or so. For the Big cruisers the 1100 Virago won, and in
the medium size the 800 Intruder won. Why don't you look at the
Intruder? The size (800 cc) may be good for you,and it is a nice bike.
My husband has the 1400 size.
P.S. on the MCN shootout. Get a copy of the magazines if you can. The
bikes reviewed all had different strengths, and were very close. You
can look for what you are interested in. They talk about maintenance and
ergonomics. I find the detail of these reports much more interesting
than the scoring.
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PHS
93 Shadow 1100
80 cb750C
Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
* Marginally faster/more powerful, but the extra torque is nice to have.
Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
* Nope. Just 1100 and 600.
Are they both shaft drives?
* Yes, both Viragos got the shaft.
Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start it to go home. But that's another thread...
* Viragos may have premature fuel pump failures, but check with the
* service mgr at your local dealer for update.
Howard Hendler
hendler...@jpmorgan.com
'83 Nighthawk 650
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Source: Cycle World/February 1994
Brand_____Model__________MSRP_______0-60 et___1/4 mile et/mph____Peak HP__
Honda Shadow 1100 $7599 4.5sec 13.39 @ 97.4 58.7
Honda Magna 750 $6599 3.7sec 12.06 @ 111.52 83.8
Honda Shadow 600 $4899 6.5 15.34 @ 83.79 33.7
Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 $7699 4.5 13.39 @ 97.93 56.2
Kawasaki Vulcan 750 $5599 4.5 13.56 @ 97.29 53.5
Kawasaki Vulcan 500 $4399 4.8 13.96 @ 91.18 41.3
Yamaha Virago 1100 $7099 4.4 12.97 @ 100.00 58.1
Yamaha Virago 750 $5599 4.6 13.72 @ 95.54 51.8
Yamaha Virago 535 $4799 5.7 14.86 @ 86.20 34.7
Suzuki Intruder 1400 $7399 4.3 13.30 @ 97.93 58.6
Suzuki Intruder 800 $5599 4.1 13.22 @ 97.19 51.7
I ride an XV1100 and I have a friend who rides an XV750. He
only started riding this year, and by mid-summer he was saying
he felt it was under-powered (for his tastes) and wanted to
upgrade. I haven't ridden the XV750, but my XV1100 is pretty
smooth and has all the power headroom I need for quick passing
even at highway speeds.
RE styling, there's little gainsaying the Shadow for neo-retro
cruiser looks. Otoh, if you like chrome (I do), the Virago is
hard to beat with its attention to detail. Among other stock
chromy bits, the XV1100 has a chrome rear break drum case and
chrome connecting rod on the right side and a shiny differential
case on the other side.
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mar...@lkg.mts.dec.com DoD #2803 '95 Yamaha XV1100 Virago
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"Steel can be any shape you want if you are skilled enough and
any shape but the one you want if you are not." Robert Pirsig
>>: Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
Virago 1100:
0-30, 1.5 sec
0-60, 4.4 sec
0-90, 9.7 sec
0-100, 13.5 sec
40-60, top gear, 3.4 sec
60-80, top gear, 4.1 sec
Measured top speed, 111
Virago 750:
0-30, 1.5 sec
0-60, 4.5 sec
0-90, 11.2 sec
0-100, 16.0 sec
40-60, top gear, 4.7 sec
60-80, top gear, 5.5 sec
Measured top speed, 109
1984. The 1000/1100s have them, the 700/750 doesn't. They're very visible
and covered with a chrome cover (naturally).
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|Phil...@aol.com VOC # 4009 |
|phil...@omni.voicenet.com 1995 Kawasaki GPZ 1100 |
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>
>I am over 6' tall and just sold my Virago because of the comfort factor.
You are crammed into a space made for a shorter person. A ride of any
length does get rather uncomfortable. She was a great ride otherwise!
Looking for a new bike, any suggestions besides the Shadow?
Nikki DoD#OU812
>
: 1984. The 1000/1100s have them, the 700/750 doesn't. They're very visible
: and covered with a chrome cover (naturally).
Well blow my lips off!! You learn something new everyday.
: Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
: Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
: Are they both shaft drives?
: Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start it to go home. But that's another thread...
: Thanks.
: Howard.
: ---
: Howard Hendler
: hendler...@jpmorgan.com
: '83 Nighthawk 650
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I have a Virago 1100...1993 ..btw im selling it for now.. (money reasons)
5000 obo.
mint condition..
anyway..the virago is the best cornering and riding bike..
the shadow 1100 has been quoted in one mag and cornering like a
grocery cart full of lead..
shadow has a bit more throaty sound..and definately rattles your body
more....
...you sit a little more cruiser style on the shadow.. but the
virago seems to be best in most categories..
go to the library and do a search on either bike.. i did and bought
the virago ... there is an article in one mag that compares all the
jap. cruisers
cj
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: : Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
: I've only riden the 750 but I'm told that the 1100 does not have
: 'significantly' more power. When I was riding my 750 I had a friend who
: had recently upgraded to an 1100. In his opinion, the extra money he paid
: for it and the large increase in insurance didn't offset the slight
: increase in power. He did say he liked the extra low-end torque though.
: : Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
: : Are they both shaft drives?
: : Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts
: : snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start
: : it to go home. But that's another thread...
: I've seen many stories here of Virago's with amazing amounts of mileage
: on them. They are very reliable bikes. The only thing to watch for is
: the starters which are well known for their (blender full of marbles)
: sound. This can be fixed witha shim kit though.
: If you are looking at a used Virago, I'd recommend staying away from the
: ones made in the early 80's with the LCD screens. If they ever break or
: take on water they are extremely expensive to replace (and can't be
: repaired).
: --
: .oooO / ) ( \ Oooo. Mr. Geoff "I'm between bikes OK!!" Hamer DoD#1492
: ( ) / ( ) \ ( ) Past Virago owner.... Future V-Max owner
: \ ( ( ) ( ) ) / Visit Canada, see our fjords, ride on our Icephalt
: --\_).oooO-Oooo.(_/--- gha...@ingenia.com. Ottawa, Canada
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When would you hear the starter.. just when cranking it right?
my starter sounds ok..
the only the i noticed about my bike..is the transmission is kinda
like a school bus shifting..etc..
is that a yamaha trait..or just my luck
cj
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CJ
Sorry, I didn't get a chance to ride it. I only rode the '88' and 750. I'd like
to ride one, though. They look great! I love cruisers.
>I'd like opinions on the Virago 750/1100 and the Shadow 1100 (*not* the A.C.E). The thread on the Vulcan 800 provided good info, and these other two bikes round out the three I'm considering. In addition to general comments and such...
>
>Is the Virago 1100 significantly faster/more powerful than the 750?
>Does the Shadow come in something like a 750/800?
>Are they both shaft drives?
>
>Reliability is key for me, since I plan on commuting daily until it starts snowing. And my '83 Nighthawk gives me anxiety every time I try to start it to go home. But that's another thread...
>
>Thanks.
>Howard.
>
I'm a new rider, trying to make the same decision... but I've also
included the Vulcan as a possible choice. Both the Vulcan 750 and the
800 seem like good bikes for different reasons. They are very
different bikes. I've never owned any of these bikes, so keep that
in mind while reading the following comments. <g>
I went to a Honda dealer and sat on a few Shadows. I'm 6'2", but tank
was so wide, I couldn't reach the rear brake with my toes. Doesn't
feel like that would be too comfortable, and it seems top heavy
compared to the Virago or the Vulcan. That would seem to support
cj's comment about it not cornering as nicely.
The Vulcan is water cooled, like the Shadow. The Virago is not. I
don't really know how important that is.
Currently, I've ruled out the Shadow, and am trying to decide between
the Virago and the Vulcan 750. The Virago offers an 1100 size which
may be better for me since I'm larger than the average guy.
Just my humble oppinion... Ryan
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The starter problem? I just think of it as an endearing quirk. It
gives the bike a personality!
ia...@soho.ios.com (ian lawrence) wrote:
>Just thought I'd put my 2 cents in:
>I've got a Yamaha XV920 Virago - 1983 and
>I LUV IT!
>Purrs....great rode bike, even fully loaded....
>Ian Lawrence
>email: ia...@soho.ios.com
That's my 2p worth.
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: The starter problem? I just think of it as an endearing quirk. It
: gives the bike a personality!
oh, yes, i love a bike that grinds its starter to pieces & leaves me
stranded somewhere when it finally dies.
such "an endearing quirk."
i sold my suzuki GL1100 after it pulled that stunt *once*.
gears,
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>oh, yes, i love a bike that grinds its starter to pieces & leaves me
>stranded somewhere when it finally dies.
>such "an endearing quirk."
>i sold my suzuki GL1100 after it pulled that stunt *once*.
That'll bloody teach it won't it. It won't do it again. I bet you tell
your bikes they'd better behave or else.
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: >>I am over 6' tall and just sold my Virago because of the comfort factor.
: >You are crammed into a space made for a shorter person. A ride of any
: >length does get rather uncomfortable. She was a great ride otherwise!
: >Looking for a new bike, any suggestions besides the Shadow?
: >
: >Nikki DoD#OU812
: >>
: >
: >
: I've been test riding cruisers, trying to decide which one to buy. I
: agree entirely about the Virago being cramped. I'm 6'3". OTOH, I was
: uncomfortable on the Shadow, as the gas tank was so wide that I had
: trouble reaching the rear brake with my toes. I've pretty much
: decided to get a Kawasaki Vulcan 750. That bike seemed to fit like an
: old shoe.
have you considered the Suzuki Intruder? My husband (over 6' tall) has
one and likes it quite a bit. It is definately a bike for a tall
person. I would never be comfortable on it.
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> I've been test riding cruisers, trying to decide which one to buy. I
> agree entirely about the Virago being cramped. I'm 6'3". OTOH, I was
> uncomfortable on the Shadow, as the gas tank was so wide that I had
> trouble reaching the rear brake with my toes. I've pretty much
> decided to get a Kawasaki Vulcan 750. That bike seemed to fit like an
> old shoe.
Why don't you get the VN800 instead? Great for the long-legged and it's
got HEAPS more style than the old 750 (and doesn't cost *that* much more).
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> have you considered the Suzuki Intruder? My husband (over 6' tall) has
> one and likes it quite a bit. It is definately a bike for a tall
> person. I would never be comfortable on it.
I sat on the 600, 800 and 1400 Intruders whilst visiting one of my local
dealers not so long ago, and found all of them a lot more 'squished' than
the VN8. The tanks all seemed titchy, they all *felt* smaller in comparison,
and all of the footpegs were a lot closer. Don't get me wrong though, I
like Intruders a lot (hankered after one for years, until the VN8 that is)
but I think the Vulcan's a lot more roomy.
(If you disagree, then get your husband to try one for size)
:: Why don't you get the VN800 instead? Great for the long-legged and it's
:: got HEAPS more style than the old 750
Yes, it certainly does. It looks much more like a Softail Custom.
(And, despite my earlier protests, that's not a criticism. It's a
better looking bike, in large part because it _is_ a successful
copy of HD.)
I question the "great for the long-legged" part, though. I'm only
six foot nothin', but I'm mostly leg, and the Vulcan made me feel
like my knees were in my nose. It struck me as feeling like it was
built to 3/4 scale.
My Wide Glide, now *there's* a bike with legroom. But, it's a wee
tad more expensive than a Vulcan 800...
>> dan -- Ignorant Yank (tm) #1, none-%er #7 <<
Dan Nitschke -O- ParcPlace-Digitalk -O- dnit...@parcplace.com
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These might be my opinions; or, maybe not. They might be the opinions
of ParcPlace-Digitalk, but probably not. They might even be yours, in
which case I'd seek qualified psychiatric help as soon as possible.
>have you considered the Suzuki Intruder? My husband (over 6' tall) has
>one and likes it quite a bit. It is definately a bike for a tall
>person. I would never be comfortable on it.
>--
I've looked at the Intruders. The 1400 is indeed a "man size" bike.
But it is a bit larger and heavier than I would be comfortable with,
as I am just begining to ride. The smaller one, (800 or 750) has a
much smaller frame - too small for my frame. <g>
> My last bike was an '82 Virago 750...The motor revved up way too
> much for a 750 at highway speed and the range of the three gallon
> tank rather sucked...
> My current bike is a '90 Shadow 1100...Positive things about Darum
> are...a larger engine that revs slower...and the three gallon tank
> has a very short range.
Comparing a 750 and 1100 V-twin isn't much of a comparison.
My '95 XV1100 Virago has a 4.4 gallon tank and gets 50+ mpg. Though
is has no fuel gauge, it does have a reserve fuel light and a handle-
bar-mounted reserve switch which relieves me from having to wait
until the engine sputters before reaching down to fiddle with the
petcock. I almost never have to use it however, because the reserve
light doesn't come on until after about 170 miles which, when I ride
with others, is long past the point the other riders in the group have
had to stop for gas.
It turns about 4500+/- rpm at 70 mph.
> Darum, being 500 pounds heavier than Morgenstern,
The XV1100 weighs 487 lbs. dry and has about a 60" wheelbase.
> The Virago's side stand was pooorly designed, holding
> the bike too far upright so it had a tendency to fall over on level
> surfaces...
I've never had this problem. When you park your bike, do you
full-lock left the front wheel? On hot days, do you use a side-
stand "coaster" on tar/asphalt?
> [Their absense in the used market] implies Virago owners tend
> to hang onto them, so they must be satisfied...
I'm intending to keep mine.
Anyway, no matter what you buy, enjoy! Biking is biking!
= RiP =
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