How do you pronounce Shoei?
Patrick Tuxbury
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James Faircloth
Len Babin
: I pronounce it ( Show-E )...
It's like chewy with an "sh"
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LB> It's like chewy with an "sh"
Given that it's a Japanese name, the native pronunciation is more like
sho eh
Where the eh has twice the duration of the sho. Then again, it could be
something different. Maybe Huridoru-san has the definite answer. Jeffrey?
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Ryan Montieth Gill
: >>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
: LB> It's like chewy with an "sh"
: Given that it's a Japanese name, the native pronunciation is more like
: sho eh
: Where the eh has twice the duration of the sho. Then again, it could be
: something different. Maybe Huridoru-san has the definite answer. Jeffrey?
Sodesune....
I have to agree, If you intend on speaking in the proper form,
I believe that there should be the above "sho-eh' with a
slight hint of an i after the eh. A short I that is.
In Japanese the vowels are
spoken
a ah like kahn
i ee like we
u oo like you
e eh like hen
o oh like old
If you combine two vowels then you keep the same sounds but combine
them. Unlike english where you change the vowel to a long form.
as in Hat compared to hate
In Japanese kei is pronounced kay-e.
In instances where three vowels are combined (like shoei) the first
vowel stays with its sylabl-ric counterpart (in this case sh).
Japanese is organized into sets of consanants and vowels.
a ka sa ta
i ki shi chi
u ku su tsu
e ke se te
o ko so to
and so on. There are many more but the organisation is such that
the sylables are pronouced individualy but in some cases (depending
on the dialect of Japanese say Tokyo compared to Kyshu)
sylables are slurred together in different ways
to produce the proper sounds. This can also vary depending on
whether the the speaker is female or male. It also depends on the
intended politeness of the speaker.
Wagata?
so.
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Len Babin
: Jason L Tibbitts III (ti...@tcamc.uh.edu) wrote:
: : >>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
Okay...how do you pronounce Hyundai?
Michael Seales
SHOW E
Mark Hodgson
: Ryan Montieth Gill (la...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: : Jason L Tibbitts III (ti...@tcamc.uh.edu) wrote:
: : : >>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
: Okay...how do you pronounce Hyundai?
Hyundai is Korean not Japanese. Anyway I thnk it's pronounced like
Hi and die
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Since it is a Japanese word, it is the English spelling of the katakana
equivalent of showy. That is what they were trying to say. The 'sh' sound
is the same as in the word 'show'. The 'e' has a short e pronunciation, the
'o' has a long o sound and an 'i' in japanese has a long e sound...
Hence the word She-o-i... Not shewy!
Doomoo Arigatoo Gozaimasu...
Bill Jamison
Ryan Montieth Gill
: In article <TIBBS.94J...@sina.tcamc.uh.edu>, ti...@tcamc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes:
: >>>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
: equivalent of showy. That is what they were trying to say. The 'sh' sound
: is the same as in the word 'show'. The 'e' has a short e pronunciation, the
: 'o' has a long o sound and an 'i' in japanese has a long e sound...
: Hence the word She-o-i... Not shewy!
Don't you mean Sho-e-i?
: Doomoo Arigatoo Gozaimasu...
iya... Doitashimashte
Ed Green - APE, Advanced Products Engineer
> Just what it says! Thanks.
show-eeeee
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Caroline Brossi
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C.
obpanty: Not today!
obmoto: So, I'll leave a moist spot on my seat (skirt day).
Neill Thompson
>From: c...@mathworks.com (Caroline Brossi)
>Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Shoei?
>Date: 13 Jun 1994 22:38:18 GMT
>ex-ate-ayer
Caroline--I must commend you. You have mastered the hit and run. You pop up
with some extremely clever sexual inuendo, and totally unbalance a thread
which is ostensibly about touring, or braking while cornering or some other
topic. And just as Amit is looking for you in motorcycles and freedom, you
are zinging the net about how the pronounciation of a Japanese name relates to
underwear. Truly awsome!
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Kevin
> Len Babin (lba...@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:
> : Ryan Montieth Gill (la...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
> : : Jason L Tibbitts III (ti...@tcamc.uh.edu) wrote:
> : Okay...how do you pronounce Hyundai?
>
> Hyundai is Korean not Japanese. Anyway I thnk it's pronounced like
>
> Hi and die
More like Hon die I think
Kevin
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>>>>> "EG" == Ed Green <egr...@East.Sun.COM> writes:
EG> show-eeeee
SB> Nah!
Let me amend that. This may well be the way Ed pronounces "Shoei", but
I doubt it's the way it would be pronounced by a Japanese.
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So what do you think the correct Japanese pronunciation is?
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"sho eh", with the second syllable being a long vowel.
I'd include the katakana here, but I don't know how, aside from
doing "ascii art".
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Mark Randol
> James Faircloth (CPU...@Interaccess.com) wrote:
> : I pronounce it ( Show-E )...
> It's like chewy with an "sh"
I just asked a Japanese co-worker and he sez it's pronounced "show-ay".
My opinions don't mean anything to anyone.
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Didn't motorcyclist or cycle world do an article that explains why more
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gives better low end power??
If so, what issue?
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Darwin Breland
>wjam...@delphi.dasd.honeywell.com wrote:
>: In article <TIBBS.94J...@sina.tcamc.uh.edu>, ti...@tcamc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes:
>: >>>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
>: Since it is a Japanese word, it is the English spelling of the katakana
>: equivalent of showy. That is what they were trying to say. The 'sh' sound
>: is the same as in the word 'show'. The 'e' has a short e pronunciation, the
>: 'o' has a long o sound and an 'i' in japanese has a long e sound...
>: Hence the word She-o-i... Not shewy!
>
> Don't you mean Sho-e-i?
>
>
>: Doomoo Arigatoo Gozaimasu...
>
>iya... Doitashimashte
uh...and a Godzillla vs. Montra to you too.
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Mark Hodgson
: obpanty: Not today!
: obmoto: So, I'll leave a moist spot on my seat (skirt day).
We ought to see about getting that leaking operation wound treated!
It shouldn't have gone as gooey and septic as it has.
Any medics out there like to give Caroline some advice on
post-operative care?
(Taste, who needs it?)
Ed Green - APE, Advanced Products Engineer
>
>Maybe Huridoru-san has the definite answer. Jeffrey?
For a definite answer, call 213-477-6051 and see how they answer the
phone.
I called Bieffe, which I would have pronounced Bye-effey, and they
called themselves Bee-effey.
Ryan Montieth Gill
: In article <2tiiut$9...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> la...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
: >wjam...@delphi.dasd.honeywell.com wrote:
: >: In article <TIBBS.94J...@sina.tcamc.uh.edu>, ti...@tcamc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes:
: >: >>>>>> "LB" == Len Babin <lba...@superior.carleton.ca> writes:
: >
: >
: >iya... Doitashimashte
: uh...and a Godzillla vs. Montra to you too.
: TEX
:
heh?, Bakayaro..!
Ryan Montieth Gill
: Len Babin (lba...@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:
: > James Faircloth (CPU...@Interaccess.com) wrote:
: > : I pronounce it ( Show-E )...
: > It's like chewy with an "sh"
: I just asked a Japanese co-worker and he sez it's pronounced "show-ay".
And he is correct, the problem is the lack of a standardized use
of Romaji. Japanese is very set it its pronunciation. English is
more flexible. Thus as your co-worker said.....
Sho (like show)
a (long a)
e (long e)
or if you prefer
Sho
ay (long a followed by short i (both in tempo and pron.))
But definately not
Sho
a (long a)
daver
>For a definite answer, call 213-477-6051 and see how they answer the
>phone.
I called them the other day for something completely
unrelated.
They answer "show-ee"
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da...@world.std.com (daver) writes:
i'd beg to differ with the "amurrican" pronounciation of shoei. in
japanese, it would and is "show-aye" with the "w" almost not
pronounced. or at least that's how its pronounced by everyone in
japan. so how do you pronounce arai?
gen kanai
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131AA0000-RogersC(DR8926)273
>In article <Cs0x4...@world.std.com>
>da...@world.std.com (daver) writes:
>
>i'd beg to differ with the "amurrican" pronounciation of shoei. in
>japanese, it would and is "show-aye" with the "w" almost not
>pronounced. or at least that's how its pronounced by everyone in
>japan. so how do you pronounce arai?
"show-ee"
;-)
Chuck Rogers
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Jason L Tibbitts III
GMK> so how do you pronounce arai?
Ah-ra-ee. Each vowel is a separate syllable. But then, it may not be a
Japanese company (I don't know). Of course, the 'merrican pronunciation
probably sounds more like a cash register.
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Geoff Torres
:
: GMK> so how do you pronounce arai?
:
: Ah-ra-ee. Each vowel is a separate syllable. But then, it may not be a
: Japanese company (I don't know). Of course, the 'merrican pronunciation
: probably sounds more like a cash register.
: --
The "r" sound doesn't really exist in the Japanese language. It's
pronounced with a slight roll of the tongue, almost sounding like a "d".
It's very similar to the "r" in the spanish word "Senora".
Ah-dah-ee ( very light on the "d")
Shoei is pronounced -
Sho-e-ee "e" as in pet, "ee" as in parakeet. When said quickly, the
"e" and "ee" almost sound like a long "a" - Sho-ay.
All this according to my Japanese text book.
"Gaijin" Torres
131AA0000-RogersC(DR8926)273
>
>The "r" sound doesn't really exist in the Japanese language. It's
>pronounced with a slight roll of the tongue, almost sounding like a "d".
>It's very similar to the "r" in the spanish word "Senora".
>
>Ah-dah-ee ( very light on the "d")
>
Why don't we spell "arigato" as "adigato"? How about "Wakarimasu"?
"Kinjiro"?
Just curious.
Oh yeah, and while we're here (and before this thread morphs into
guns), why do Japanese authority figures (Toranaga in "Shogun", for
example) talk in growls? If I'd had to learn Japanese from somebody
talking like that, the villagers would have been toast for sure.
Chuck Rogers
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>>>>> "CR" == 131AA0000-RogersC(DR8926)273 <car...@rigel.dr.att.com> writes:
CR> In article <2usmvp$c...@hpchase.rose.hp.com> ge...@mothra.rose.hp.com
CR> (Geoff Torres) writes:
>> The "r" sound doesn't really exist in the Japanese language.
I realize that, but after studying Japanese for a few years I don't think
about it and just write "r".
CR> Why don't we spell "arigato" as "adigato"? How about "Wakarimasu"?
CR> "Kinjiro"?
Because 1) the "d" sounds are separate, being the voiced "t" sounds. 2)
Whoever came up with the romanization wanted it that way. Japanese isn't
"spelled" as we like to think of it; the romanizations are just ways to
make it possible for us to have a written form without having to learn real
written Japanese.
CR> Oh yeah, and while we're here (and before this thread morphs into
CR> guns),
Cool! Guns! The Japanese have very few guns and a nice, ralatively crime
free society (at least compared to my neighborhood). Hmmm.
ObMoto: Are bikes often seen in Japan? What's the breakup by type
(cruiser, sport, touring, etc.)? Are there regulations against large
engine size?
Chris BeHanna
:>In article <2usmvp$c...@hpchase.rose.hp.com> ge...@mothra.rose.hp.com (Geoff Torres) writes:
:>>
:>>The "r" sound doesn't really exist in the Japanese language. It's
:>>pronounced with a slight roll of the tongue, almost sounding like a "d".
:>>It's very similar to the "r" in the spanish word "Senora".
:>>
:>>Ah-dah-ee ( very light on the "d")
I was taught (by a native Japanese), that the "r" is more of a cross
between a half-trilled "r" and an "l". You position your tongue as if you
were going to trill an "r", but then you don't trill, instead moving the
tip of your tongue away from the roof of your mouth at the last instant.
That's perhaps overly pedantic, but it works.
:>Why don't we spell "arigato" as "adigato"? How about "Wakarimasu"?
:>"Kinjiro"?
wakarimasen deshita.
:>Oh yeah, and while we're here (and before this thread morphs into
:>guns), why do Japanese authority figures (Toranaga in "Shogun", for
:>example) talk in growls? If I'd had to learn Japanese from somebody
:>talking like that, the villagers would have been toast for sure.
If I had to guess, it's because it sounds intimidating.
Chris BeHanna
:>[Wow! I get to participate in an "off topic discussion"!]
:>>>>>> "CR" == 131AA0000-RogersC(DR8926)273 <car...@rigel.dr.att.com> writes:
:>CR> In article <2usmvp$c...@hpchase.rose.hp.com> ge...@mothra.rose.hp.com
:>CR> (Geoff Torres) writes:
:>>> The "r" sound doesn't really exist in the Japanese language.
:>I realize that, but after studying Japanese for a few years I don't think
:>about it and just write "r".
:>CR> Why don't we spell "arigato" as "adigato"? How about "Wakarimasu"?
:>CR> "Kinjiro"?
:>Because 1) the "d" sounds are separate, being the voiced "t" sounds. 2)
:>Whoever came up with the romanization wanted it that way. Japanese isn't
:>"spelled" as we like to think of it; the romanizations are just ways to
:>make it possible for us to have a written form without having to learn real
:>written Japanese.
:>CR> Oh yeah, and while we're here (and before this thread morphs into
:>CR> guns),
:>Cool! Guns! The Japanese have very few guns and a nice, ralatively crime
:>free society (at least compared to my neighborhood). Hmmm.
They also have warrantless searches and warrantless arrests, during
which you can be held without charges being made against you, and coerced
into a guilty plea. Is that what you want?
Phoenix, AZ, has a lot of guns and a relatively low crime rate. It's
astonishingly low, in fact, when compared to LA, NYC, or Washington, D.C.
Ditto Albuquerque, NM, and Colorado Springs, CO.
Hmmm....
:>ObMoto: Are bikes often seen in Japan? What's the breakup by type
:>(cruiser, sport, touring, etc.)? Are there regulations against large
:>engine size?
There's tiered licensing. There's also a ban against carrying
passengers while on the freeway, because a bunch of rowdies called the
bosozoku (sp?) use their pillions as lookouts, so all motorcyclists suffer.
Nice, free society, eh? NOT.
Andy Woodward
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:>example) talk in growls? If I'd had to learn Japanese from somebody
:>talking like that, the villagers would have been toast for sure.
/ If I had to guess, it's because it sounds intimidating.
I've always found folk talking in self-consciously intimidating voices are
simply funny.
Maybe this is why I'm not Big-InPublic-Relations-And-Man-Management?
Always just wanted to machinegun em. (Ooops - sorry)
Jason L Tibbitts III
>>>>> "JT" == Jason L Tibbitts III <ti...@tcamc.uh.edu>
JT> Cool! Guns! The Japanese have very few guns and a nice, ralatively
JT> crime free society (at least compared to my neighborhood). Hmmm.
CB> They also have warrantless searches and warrantless arrests, during
CB> which you can be held without charges being made against you, and
CB> coerced into a guilty plea. Is that what you want?
Oh lord. Can someone else help me with this? He swallowed the hook, line,
sinker, the pole and half of my arm.
It was a joke, son. Bait with a capital bait. I don't pretend to know
enough about the Japanese legal system to begin to form a platform for an
argument. (Nor would I want to have such an argument.)
Do I get an honorary membership in ASSHOLE now?
131AA0000-RogersC(DR8926)273
>
>JT> Cool! Guns! [more gun bait, etc. snipped]
>
>CB> [inevitable knee-jerk response snipped]
>
>Oh lord. Can someone else help me with this? He swallowed the hook, line,
>sinker, the pole and half of my arm.
>
>It was a joke, son. Bait with a capital bait. I don't pretend to know
>enough about the Japanese legal system to begin to form a platform for an
>argument. (Nor would I want to have such an argument.)
>
>Do I get an honorary membership in ASSHOLE now?
Do you really want to use such an unsporting "triumph" (<-obmoto)
to mark your passage into that august assemblage? If you'd
waited a bit longer before posting, one of them would have triggered
without any bait at all. They can't help it. Really, it's too
much like mounting a carp. (Back, Laz, back I say!)
Chuck Rogers
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|> :>Oh yeah, and while we're here (and before this thread morphs into
|> :>guns), why do Japanese authority figures (Toranaga in "Shogun", for
|> :>example) talk in growls? If I'd had to learn Japanese from somebody
|> :>talking like that, the villagers would have been toast for sure.
|> /
|> / If I had to guess, it's because it sounds intimidating.
|>
|> I've always found folk talking in self-consciously intimidating voices are
|> simply funny.
|>
|> Maybe this is why I'm not Big-InPublic-Relations-And-Man-Management?
|>
|> Always just wanted to machinegun em. (Ooops - sorry)
And if you lived in the US you could probably get one.
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