Questions about Ducati 750 Sport / 750 SS.
Rob Silvers
I need to decide between a leftover 1990 Ducati 750 Sport for $6350.00 or
a 1992 750 SS for $7350.00. I like the way the 1990 Sport looks with the full fairing,
but would like to hear about any problem areas.
What I need to know is:
* The Sport has a single Weber carb, the SS has twin Mikunis. How much better are the Mikunis?
* The Sport has Marzocchi M1B shocks, are these as good as the new Japanese ones?
* The Sport has a dry clutch, the SS a wet. Is the dry one inferior?
* Is then engine as good on the 1990 750 Sport?
* What aftermarket exhaust should be put on the 1990 750 Sport?
Basically, was the 750 Sport a very good bike? Is the new 750 SS an attempt at fixing problems with
the older 750 Sport, or is it just updated styling? I would love to hear from people that have a
750 Sport.
Thank you for any info.
--Rob.
Chris Perez
>I need to decide between a leftover 1990 Ducati 750 Sport for $6350.00 or
What? Why so much for the 750Sport? Cagiva has them on sale right now for
around $4500. If you can't find that price, call Pro Italia. They might
charge you as much as $5,500. But NOT 6300!!!
> * The Sport has a single Weber carb, the SS has twin Mikunis.
> How much better are the Mikunis?
Night and day. The Mikunis fix the carb problems. Instantly.
> * The Sport has Marzocchi M1B shocks, are these as good as the
> new Japanese ones?
No. Well, maybe.
> * The Sport has a dry clutch, the SS a wet. Is the dry one inferior?
No. Just different.
> * Is the engine as good on the 1990 750 Sport?
Same basic power plant. Just different intake and exhaust.
> * What aftermarket exhaust should be put on the 1990 750 Sport?
If you bought a 750Sport, and you feel the need to tweak:
- Replace Weber with twin 40mm Del Ortos
- Replace 16inch hoops with the 17inchers (it'll handle better)
- Replace exhaust with a nice NCR, um, er, drainage pipe.
Or, you could buy a complete, running, properly tuned GSXR for less than
a new 750SS. AND, it'll give you few, if any, problems. You really have
to want a Ducati to put up with it.
>Basically, was the 750 Sport a very good bike? Is the new 750 SS an
Yes, at certain prices. No, when compared with either an earlier 600/650SL
or the new 750/900SS. It's a matter of priorities. Try one before
buying anything. You might not like it. Then again, you might fall in
love. But no one will be able to tell you except you.
>attempt at fixing problems with the older 750 Sport, or is it just updated
>styling? I would love to hear from people that have a 750 Sport.
Many problems that plagued Cagiva for years are fixed with the new 750SS.
BUT, for a little more money, you can get the 900SS. Now THERE's a nice
bike... Or how about a used 851 Ducati for $8000 as listed in _Cycle
Snooze_? Hmmm??? That'll crush them rice-eye'd bikes!!! [big] 8-)
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Al Bowers
>In article <1992Jan23....@nynexst.com> rsil...@powwow.nynexst.com (Rob Silvers) writes:
>>I need to decide between a leftover 1990 Ducati 750 Sport for $6350.00 or
>What? Why so much for the 750Sport? Cagiva has them on sale right now for
>around $4500. If you can't find that price, call Pro Italia. They might
>charge you as much as $5,500. But NOT 6300!!!
Pro-Ityalia was selling them for $5,800 last year. This was at the
time of the $500 Cagiva USA rebate (net $5,300). Don't know about
current prices.
>> * The Sport has a dry clutch, the SS a wet. Is the dry one inferior?
>No. Just different.
>> * Is the engine as good on the 1990 750 Sport?
>Same basic power plant. Just different intake and exhaust.
While they are the same fundamental powerplant the SS model is based
on the older Pantah style engine (ie. air cooled), the Sport is the
later style engine (ie. oil cooled, ala Suzi GSXR). there are other
technical differences down in the cases that don't matter too much
(newer motor is stronger with different webbing, plain v roller main
crank bearings, etc).
>Or, you could buy a complete, running, properly tuned GSXR for less than
>a new 750SS. AND, it'll give you few, if any, problems. You really have
>to want a Ducati to put up with it.
Sage advice. But if you love being different and the total experience
(in a more vintage or classic sense) is important to you. ducati is a
good bike. Just don't expect Japanese type reliability.
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boxes! Viva Italia!" -Henry N. Manney III
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Mikhail Zeleny
>While they are the same fundamental powerplant the SS model is based
>on the older Pantah style engine (ie. air cooled), the Sport is the
>later style engine (ie. oil cooled, ala Suzi GSXR). there are other
>technical differences down in the cases that don't matter too much
>(newer motor is stronger with different webbing, plain v roller main
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>crank bearings, etc).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I find this claim incredible. Say it ain't so!
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>boxes! Viva Italia!" -Henry N. Manney III
>Albion Hideto Bowers bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Al Bowers
>Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido Alfa Romeo GTV6 Ducati MHR (DOD #900)
^^^^^^^^^^
What year?
Cheers,
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Al Bowers
>In article <BOWERS.92J...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
>>While they are the same fundamental powerplant the SS model is based
>>on the older Pantah style engine (ie. air cooled), the Sport is the
>>later style engine (ie. oil cooled, ala Suzi GSXR). there are other
>>technical differences down in the cases that don't matter too much
>>(newer motor is stronger with different webbing, plain v roller main
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>crank bearings, etc).
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I find this claim incredible. Say it ain't so!
I understand that when Bordi was doing the latest incarnation of the
900SS and the 750 Sport (this would be about '87 or '88), Bordi
finally convinced Taglioni that supporting the ends of the cranks with
ball bearings didn't buy you anything. Bordi built a special engine
that used plain bearing on the crank ends and showed that there was no
practical difference to Taglioni. I understand it took a dyno run to
convince Taglioni of this though.
So the 750 SS has roller mains and the 900 SS and the 750 Sport have
the plain mains (plus the oil cooling of the piston and the top end).
>What year?
I think that all the 900 SS's and 750 Sports have the plain bearings.
But I'll find the teardown report and get back to you. This was from
a `Bike' interview with Bordi.
Mikhail Zeleny
>In article <1992Jan24....@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zel...@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>>In article <BOWERS.92J...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
>>bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
AB:
>>>While they are the same fundamental powerplant the SS model is based
>>>on the older Pantah style engine (ie. air cooled), the Sport is the
>>>later style engine (ie. oil cooled, ala Suzi GSXR). there are other
>>>technical differences down in the cases that don't matter too much
>>>(newer motor is stronger with different webbing, plain v roller main
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>crank bearings, etc).
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
MZ:
>>I find this claim incredible. Say it ain't so!
AB:
>I understand that when Bordi was doing the latest incarnation of the
>900SS and the 750 Sport (this would be about '87 or '88), Bordi
>finally convinced Taglioni that supporting the ends of the cranks with
>ball bearings didn't buy you anything. Bordi built a special engine
>that used plain bearing on the crank ends and showed that there was no
>practical difference to Taglioni. I understand it took a dyno run to
>convince Taglioni of this though.
So it's sayonara to the motor noise... I know that they've had problems
with gearbox bearings, but this thing is just ludicrous. What about the
851/888? If those still have ball bearings, you can be sure that the above
is just an economy measure, like choosing Japanese forks over \"Ohlins.
AB:
>So the 750 SS has roller mains and the 900 SS and the 750 Sport have
>the plain mains (plus the oil cooling of the piston and the top end).
I guess I'll stick to my real 900SS...
MZ:
>>What year?
AB:
>I think that all the 900 SS's and 750 Sports have the plain bearings.
>But I'll find the teardown report and get back to you. This was from
>a `Bike' interview with Bordi.
Well, Bordi is a cunt, so what does he know? Look at that ugly, 1939
Vincent "plumber's nightmare"-style design of the 851 engine, all reeking
of financial expedience (gotta use the same crancases for air-cooled bikes,
don't they?) if you don't take my word for it. The first thing the
Castiglionis did when they took over was discontinue the Mille bikes, the
last real Ducatis; the second thing was shitcan Dr T's V-4. It's all been
downhill since then. Think I'll get me a nice 350 Desmo before I send any
money their way...
>--
>"Forward, those sick of overadvertised and nastily-made tin
>boxes! Viva Italia!" -Henry N. Manney III
>Albion Hideto Bowers bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Al Bowers
>Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido Alfa Romeo GTV6 Ducati MHR (DOD #900)
Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
Chris Perez
>Well, Bordi is a cunt, so what does he know? Look at that ugly, 1939
>Vincent "plumber's nightmare"-style design of the 851 engine, all reeking
>of financial expedience (gotta use the same crancases for air-cooled bikes,
>don't they?) if you don't take my word for it. The first thing the
>Castiglionis did when they took over was discontinue the Mille bikes, the
>last real Ducatis; the second thing was shitcan Dr T's V-4. It's all been
>downhill since then. Think I'll get me a nice 350 Desmo before I send any
>money their way...
Alternatively, at least there IS such a thing as a Ducati. The original
manufacturers of electrical and diesel equipement nearly divested itself
of the motorcycle "arm" of their business.
I think Bordi did a wonderful job of taking Dr. T's four valve head (designed
many years ago) and taking the credit for them.
In reading the latest _Cycle Welt_, the 750SS looks like a simple, easy
to own bike. I just can't imagine trying to reach into all that plumbing
in an 888. Now, if they'd drop the 750SS' price $1,000 and drop it's
weight another 50#'s, I'd think seriously of visiting my credit union...
>Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
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Mikhail Zeleny
>In article <1992Jan28....@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zel...@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
MZ:
>>Well, Bordi is a cunt, so what does he know? Look at that ugly, 1939
>>Vincent "plumber's nightmare"-style design of the 851 engine, all reeking
>>of financial expedience (gotta use the same crancases for air-cooled bikes,
>>don't they?) if you don't take my word for it. The first thing the
>>Castiglionis did when they took over was discontinue the Mille bikes, the
>>last real Ducatis; the second thing was shitcan Dr T's V-4. It's all been
>>downhill since then. Think I'll get me a nice 350 Desmo before I send any
>>money their way...
CP:
>Alternatively, at least there IS such a thing as a Ducati. The original
>manufacturers of electrical and diesel equipement nearly divested itself
>of the motorcycle "arm" of their business.
Campione del mondo, baby!
CP:
>I think Bordi did a wonderful job of taking Dr. T's four valve head (designed
>many years ago) and taking the credit for them.
Sorry, it's hardly the same result. Dr T never designed a liquid-cooled
engine in his life; it's against his religion. Something about thermal
efficiency...
CP:
>In reading the latest _Cycle Welt_, the 750SS looks like a simple, easy
>to own bike. I just can't imagine trying to reach into all that plumbing
>in an 888. Now, if they'd drop the 750SS' price $1,000 and drop it's
>weight another 50#'s, I'd think seriously of visiting my credit union...
If I were to get one of those rubber-band jobs, it would have to be a 900.
Or an 888... Nah, I think I'll hold out for a Laverda V-6. There's a real
motorsickle for ya! (Meanwhile, anyone got a spare triple for sale?)
MZ:
>>Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
CP:
>YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
Al Bowers
>In article <86...@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM>
>chr...@tatanka.WR.TEK.COM (Chris Perez) writes:
>>In article <1992Jan28....@husc3.harvard.edu>
>>zel...@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>MZ:
>>>The first thing the
>>>Castiglionis did when they took over was discontinue the Mille bikes, the
>>>last real Ducatis; the second thing was shitcan Dr T's V-4. It's all been
>>>downhill since then. Think I'll get me a nice 350 Desmo before I send any
>>>money their way...
I agree that the Mille motor cancellation was a bad idea. All the
development work was done, the tooling was complete and the bikes were
rolling off the line. Then to walk in and say, "STOP THE MUSIC!" on
the flagship of the line is plain dumb.
>CP:
>>I think Bordi did a wonderful job of taking Dr. T's four valve head (designed
>>many years ago) and taking the credit for them.
>Sorry, it's hardly the same result. Dr T never designed a liquid-cooled
>engine in his life; it's against his religion. Something about thermal
>efficiency...
Actually, Dr. T did some liquid cooled designs, though not a single
one reached production. Just as he did some 4 valve heads, but same
result (no production). See Cathcart's "Ducati Legend".
BTW, Dr T's 4 valver was a sohc desmo design with twin plugs. Dr.
Bordi did a 4 valver desmo that was air cooled (his Phd thesis at
Bologna Tech). The 851/888 was the second of his 4 valvers (that I
know of).
>CP:
>>In reading the latest _Cycle Welt_, the 750SS looks like a simple, easy
>>to own bike. I just can't imagine trying to reach into all that plumbing
>>in an 888. Now, if they'd drop the 750SS' price $1,000 and drop it's
>>weight another 50#'s, I'd think seriously of visiting my credit union...
>If I were to get one of those rubber-band jobs, it would have to be a 900.
>Or an 888... Nah, I think I'll hold out for a Laverda V-6. There's a real
>motorsickle for ya! (Meanwhile, anyone got a spare triple for sale?)
Short story. The guy I bought my Ducati from replaced it with an 851.
I saw him at a meet about 4 months after he got the 851 and I asked
him how he liked it. His response surprised me.
"F*CKING 851! Motorcycles are meant to hold 5 things, gas, oil, air,
brake fluid and water. So far the 851 has leaked 4 of them. The gas
blew out a hose and sprayed my leg (pressure side of the injection),
the oil was coming out of the crankcase, I've had a flat tire, the
master cylinder banjo leaked hydraulic fluid on the tank. F*cking
851..."
>MZ:
>>>Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>CP:
>>YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>>put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
And have alt.moto.harley flames again? :-)
BTW, I found the references on the 750 Sport, 750 SuperSport and 900 SuperSport engines.
900 SS:
"...the 900 ran an oil-and-air cooled powerplant that shared its
six-speed bottom end with the liquid cooled 906 Paso..."
Cycle, Sept. '91, pg. 44-45
750 Sport:
"...The Sport parts company with the 750 Paso, however, in employing
an air-and-oil cooling system..."
Cycle, Feb. '90, pg. 36
Also, it appears that the 5 speed Pantah tranny is in the cases of the
Sport and the 750 SS. The 900 SS gets the sis speeder. I'm still
looking for the "Bike" article and interview with Bordi where he talks
about the plain ends on the crank...
Andy Hull
The 750SS is an improved 750 sport. The sport does a few things that are
considered quirks to people who like bikes, or unacceptable flaws to the
average squid on the street.
> The Sport has a single Weber carb, the SS has twin Mikunis. How much
> better are the Mikunis?
There are some problems with the Weber having a flat spot just off idle. The
problems that I had with the Weber on my sport were mostly due to being set up
improperly. At the factory they are set up to pass noise emissions standards,
not to run right. Rejetting and some patience while the engine was being
run in made a big difference. The Mikunis don't have this problem. I found
that the higher the octane the less the problem.
> The Sport has Marzocchi M1B shocks, are these as good as the new Japanese
> ones?
Don't know if the Marzochi is better or worse. The one I have works good,
but thee ride is a bit hard. I'm told that $30 for a progressive spring will
fix this, but I haven't done it yet.
> The Sport has a dry clutch, the SS a wet. Is the dry one inferior?
I noticed that when the temperature was > 95F and I was sitting in traffic
for > 15 minutes wuth the clutch engaged it would chatter sometimes when let
out. The wet clutch is supposed to be stronger. I look at it like this; if
you consider near vertical wheelies, power shifting and reving to ~8k and then
dumping the clutch _normal_ riding conditions the dry clutch won't be strong
enough, otherwise it will work fine.
> Is then engine as good on the 1990 750 Sport?
I don't think they made any changes to the engine for the 750SS, but I could
be wrong.
> What aftermarket exhaust should be put on the 1990 750 Sport?
I put Jardine pipes and a K&N filter on my sport. This set up is a bit loud
for my liking but it runs a lot better. I think that the biggest problem
with the engine is that the factory won't let it breathe enough to run right.
My guess is that they do this for noise reasons. Doing the above has made a
world of difference in the roll on times.
> Basically, was the 750 Sport a very good bike? Is the new 750 SS an
> attempt at fixing problems withthe older 750 Sport, or is it just updated
> styling? I would love to hear from people that have a 750 Sport. Thank
> you for any info.
The other problem with the sport is that its' steering was considered
truckish by modern standards (My other bike is a BWW K100 so I did't notice
this). The 17" wheels and changed front end rake have sped up the steering on
the SS. The 750 Sport was really a 750 F1 that could be ridden on the street.
The 750SS is an improved Sport. I don't think I would trade my sport for an
SS unless it was a 900. But then again the SS come in "just that shade
of red."
If you buy a Sport, get rid of the MX/AX59s; they don't work well with the
bike. The options are Metzler or Pirelli. If you get the Metzlers you will
have to raise the front fender. I know someone who races the Metzlers on a
Sport and likes the was they work.
Andy
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Mikhail Zeleny
>Short story. The guy I bought my Ducati from replaced it with an 851.
>I saw him at a meet about 4 months after he got the 851 and I asked
>him how he liked it. His response surprised me.
>
>"F*CKING 851! Motorcycles are meant to hold 5 things, gas, oil, air,
>brake fluid and water. So far the 851 has leaked 4 of them. The gas
>blew out a hose and sprayed my leg (pressure side of the injection),
>the oil was coming out of the crankcase, I've had a flat tire, the
>master cylinder banjo leaked hydraulic fluid on the tank. F*cking
>851..."
Motorcycles were never meant to hold water.
MZ:
>>>>Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
CP:
>>>YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>>>put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
MZ:
>>Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
AB:
>And have alt.moto.harley flames again? :-)
Fuck'em if they can't take a joke. Let's do it.
AB:
>BTW, I found the references on the 750 Sport, 750 SuperSport and 900 SuperSport engines.
>
>900 SS:
>"...the 900 ran an oil-and-air cooled powerplant that shared its
>six-speed bottom end with the liquid cooled 906 Paso..."
>Cycle, Sept. '91, pg. 44-45
>
>750 Sport:
>"...The Sport parts company with the 750 Paso, however, in employing
>an air-and-oil cooling system..."
>Cycle, Feb. '90, pg. 36
>
>Also, it appears that the 5 speed Pantah tranny is in the cases of the
>Sport and the 750 SS. The 900 SS gets the sis speeder. I'm still
>looking for the "Bike" article and interview with Bordi where he talks
>about the plain ends on the crank...
Well, that's the interesting part...
What's the word on the 900SSL?
>--
>"Forward, those sick of overadvertised and nastily-made tin
>boxes! Viva Italia!" -Henry N. Manney III
>Albion Hideto Bowers bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Al Bowers
>Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido Alfa Romeo GTV6 Ducati MHR (DOD #900)
Paul Spencer
>
> I noticed that when the temperature was > 95F and I was sitting in traffic
>for > 15 minutes wuth the clutch engaged it would chatter sometimes when let
>out. The wet clutch is supposed to be stronger. I look at it like this; if
>you consider near vertical wheelies, power shifting and reving to ~8k and then
>dumping the clutch _normal_ riding conditions the dry clutch won't be strong
>enough, otherwise it will work fine.
I look at it like this: the race bikes use the dry clutch. Ergo it must
be able to stand up to _some_ abuse....
....paul
--
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spe...@sgi.com Mountain View, California
Chris Perez
>In article <BOWERS.92J...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
>bow...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
>>"F*CKING 851! Motorcycles are meant to hold 5 things, gas, oil, air,
>>brake fluid and water. So far the 851 has leaked 4 of them. The gas
>>blew out a hose and sprayed my leg (pressure side of the injection),
>>the oil was coming out of the crankcase, I've had a flat tire, the
>>master cylinder banjo leaked hydraulic fluid on the tank. F*cking
>>851..."
MZ:
>Motorcycles were never meant to hold water.
Good point! They tryed putting water in motorcycles back around the
turn of the century. Didn't work then. Still doesn't now.
>MZ:
>>>>>Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>CP:
>>>>YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>>>>put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>MZ:
>>>Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
>AB:
>>And have alt.moto.harley flames again? :-)
MZ:
>Fuck'em if they can't take a joke. Let's do it.
OK. All in favor of forming r.m.italian say I, er, Ale, um, eye, ah...
Ah, to hell with it! Choke 'um if they can't take a good fu...
MZ:
>What's the word on the 900SSL?
Lighter than the 900SS. Fortunately, it doesn't require water either.
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|| || || || ||====|| || || VroommbbBOOOOOOOMMMM (he he)
|| || || || || || || || " Just Say Yes,
=====// \\====// \\====== || || || || I LOVE the sound"
Godfrey DiGiorgi
>
> >Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>
> YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
> put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>
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Since you have labeled me as "Facist", you claim to already know
the answers.
>>Would you care to show *any* evidence that take a "Facist" position
>>on any of these issues? You don't have any, do you? Still, it probably
>I have yet to see you post ANYTHING on monitary policy, but I have seen
Is there a uniquely "facist" monitary policy?
>a post where you said Libertarism is WORSE than Liberalism. From the
>nifty little chart I drew 3-5 messages ago, Libertarisam is opposite
>of Facisism.
Only in the sense that both are extremist positions. Liberalism
and Conservatism were also in opposite corners.
>Ergo, your stronger dislike for Libertarians is due to you
>being opposite. The opposite is Facisism.
My strong dislike for Libertarians is due to my strong conviction
that society should be dedicated to acheiving the good. Libertarianism
claims men have no duty to do the good, while Facism claims everyone
has a duty to acheive the evil. Both are antithetical to my position.
Why have you slurred me as a "Facist"?
>Marc Rassbach
-David
Any political philosophy which states that by posting a giant AS IS sign
over her bed an HIV+ prostitute can ply her trade with legal impunity
is essentially self-refuting.
Chuck Karish
zel...@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
[ MZ: Mikhail Zeleny CP: Chris Perez AB: Al Bowers ]
>MZ: Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>CP: YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
> put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>MZ: Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
>AB: And have alt.moto.harley flames again? :-)
>MZ: Fuck'em if they can't take a joke. Let's do it.
Is the the point of creating a newsgroup to facilitate
discussion, or to show what big balls you have?
The Harley group was proposed because those folks feel
a strong social separation from the rest of the
rec.motorcycle readers. I haven't noticed that the
Italophiles among us feel that sort of alienation.
By splitting the group you lose synergy: there may be
no one to say "Yeah, my BSA does that too" or to
provide specialized expertise that doesn't exist
in the subgroup.
The Balkanization of rec.motorcycles through promiscuous
marque separatitism would shortly lead to The Death
Of The Net As We Know It.
Chuck Karish kar...@mindcraft.com
Mindcraft, Inc. (415) 323-9000
Al Bowers
>In article <1992Feb2.1...@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zel...@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>[ MZ: Mikhail Zeleny CP: Chris Perez AB: Al Bowers ]
>>MZ: Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>>CP: YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>> put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>>MZ: Let's do a CFV once again, what do you say?
>>AB: And have alt.moto.harley flames again? :-)
>>MZ: Fuck'em if they can't take a joke. Let's do it.
>Is the the point of creating a newsgroup to facilitate
>discussion, or to show what big balls you have?
The latter. Definitely that latter.
>The Balkanization of rec.motorcycles through promiscuous
>marque separatitism would shortly lead to The Death
>Of The Net As We Know It.
Lighten up Chuck. Everyone knows that if you don't ride a Ducati, you
ain't shit (well, maybe Eye-talian trash).
(There, that should start a lively disscussion! :-)
Al Bowers
>In article <86...@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM>, (Chris Perez) writes:
>> >Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>> YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>> put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>So who keeps the mailing list? Why am I not on it?
And the answer is:
Nobody important.
-and-
Because you haven't asked!
E-mail to euro-mot...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov for info. :-)
Eric Murray
>>
>> >Anyone out there for rec.moto.italian? Didn't think so...
>>
>> YES! But it's a mailing list right now. Couldn't get enough votes to
>> put r.m.i over the top. I hate it when that happens.
>>
>So who keeps the mailing list?
Mail to: euro-mot...@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov.
> Why am I not on it?
Because Al's been sleeping?
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Eric Murray er...@microunity.com Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.