Packing an equalizer
Sean_Q_
weapons I could carry. Naturally I can't guard against any and all
threats, otherwise I'd be a walking fortress arsenal (rotating radar
dish on my beanie, body armor, spikes, napalm dispenser -- like
something from alt.binaries.pictures.sci-fi).
Even packing a hunting knife could get me in trouble, legal trouble
amongst others, especially in town:
COP: Why are you brandishing that knife, sir?
ME: To fend off the coyotes.
COP: There aren't any coyotes in sight around here.
ME: You see, it works!
It's too bad the Toronto folksinger didn't carry a walking stick on
that hike in Nova Scotia, or the whole affair might have ended with
CRACK! YIEEEEEEEEEE! YIPE! YIPE! YIPE...!
Of course the city has predators other than lions and tigers
and bears (oh no) -- like muggers and hoodlums and thugs.
Pulling a knife on a mugger is pretty well guaranteed to have
some kind of effect, but not necessarily one favorable for me.
It's worse when I'm traveling because I'd be away from my home turf
on unfamiliar ground. Tourists in Miami have been robbed "because they
took a wrong turn and got into a bad neighborhood by mistake"
according to news reports, and here's me without a clue how to
distinguish the safe turns in Miami (and most other cities)
from the unsafe ones.
Naturally the whole thing is about risk assessment and management,
based on common sense, and talking to people coming the other way
from wherever it is I'm heading.
SQ
MikeWhy
> The talk about coyote attacks made me think about what, if any
> defensive weapons I could carry. Naturally I can't guard against any
> and all threats, otherwise I'd be a walking fortress arsenal
> (rotating radar dish on my beanie, body armor, spikes, napalm
> dispenser -- like something from alt.binaries.pictures.sci-fi).
>
> Even packing a hunting knife could get me in trouble, legal trouble
> amongst others, especially in town:
Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If you're not
experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and ferocity, a close
contact weapon isn't a good choice. Leave the knife at home. Ditto for
street bums and muggers. For the wilderness, a road flare in a jacket pocket
is probably your best bet. They probably won't understand the threat of
sharp steel, but fire and smoke will get their attention (and you're less
likely to reek of fear with the placebo weapon in hand). If nothing else,
you can build a campfire and all sing kumbaya together. In urban settings...
is it too much to expect commonsense and just avoid scenarios where
confrontation becomes a likelihood? The best defense seems already not an
option. Some people just look and act the part of the victim.
Sean_Q_
> For the wilderness, a road flare in a jacket pocket is probably
> your best bet.
I just remembered a stunt I pulled as a teen. I had an aerosol can
of some kind of flammable material in my right hand and a lighter
in my left.
I lit the lighter and pressed the spray button. A huge fireball erupted!
It must have been at least 4 feet long and gave me quite a scare.
I was unhurt, but didn't try that again. However, this would probably
put a good fright into a coyote, maybe even a bear.
From Rudyard Kipling's _The Jungle Book_:
-----------------------------------------------------
"He is a man--a man--a man!" snarled the Pack. And most of the wolves
began to gather round Shere Khan, whose tail was beginning to switch.
"Now the business is in thy hands," said Bagheera to Mowgli. "We can do
no more except fight."
Mowgli stood upright--the fire pot in his hands. Then he stretched out
his arms, and yawned in the face of the Council; but he was furious with
rage and sorrow, for, wolflike, the wolves had never told him how they
hated him. "Listen you!" he cried. "There is no need for this dog's
jabber. Ye have told me so often tonight that I am a man (and indeed I
would have been a wolf with you to my life's end) that I feel your words
are true. So I do not call ye my brothers any more, but sag [dogs], as
a man should. What ye will do, and what ye will not do, is not yours
to say. That matter is with me; and that we may see the matter more
plainly, I, the man, have brought here a little of the Red Flower which
ye, dogs, fear."
He flung the fire pot on the ground, and some of the red coals lit
a tuft of dried moss that flared up, as all the Council drew back in
terror before the leaping flames.
Mowgli thrust his dead branch into the fire till the twigs lit and
crackled, and whirled it above his head among the cowering wolves.
"Thou art the master," said Bagheera in an undertone. "Save Akela from
the death. He was ever thy friend."
Akela, the grim old wolf who had never asked for mercy in his life, gave
one piteous look at Mowgli as the boy stood all naked, his long black
hair tossing over his shoulders in the light of the blazing branch that
made the shadows jump and quiver.
"Good!" said Mowgli, staring round slowly. "I see that ye are dogs. I go
from you to my own people--if they be my own people. The jungle is shut
to me, and I must forget your talk and your companionship. But I will be
more merciful than ye are. Because I was all but your brother in blood,
I promise that when I am a man among men I will not betray ye to men as
ye have betrayed me." He kicked the fire with his foot, and the sparks
flew up. "There shall be no war between any of us in the Pack. But here
is a debt to pay before I go." He strode forward to where Shere Khan sat
blinking stupidly at the flames, and caught him by the tuft on his chin.
Bagheera followed in case of accidents. "Up, dog!" Mowgli cried. "Up,
when a man speaks, or I will set that coat ablaze!"
Shere Khan's ears lay flat back on his head, and he shut his eyes, for
the blazing branch was very near.
"This cattle-killer said he would kill me in the Council because he had
not killed me when I was a cub. Thus and thus, then, do we beat dogs
when we are men. Stir a whisker, Lungri, and I ram the Red Flower down
thy gullet!" He beat Shere Khan over the head with the branch, and the
tiger whimpered and whined in an agony of fear.
"Pah! Singed jungle cat--go now! But remember when next I come to the
Council Rock, as a man should come, it will be with Shere Khan's hide
on my head. For the rest, Akela goes free to live as he pleases. Ye will
not kill him, because that is not my will. Nor do I think that ye
will sit here any longer, lolling out your tongues as though ye were
somebodies, instead of dogs whom I drive out--thus! Go!" The fire was
burning furiously at the end of the branch, and Mowgli struck right
and left round the circle, and the wolves ran howling with the sparks
burning their fur.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/236
-----------------------------------------------------
I don't know much about road flares; how long would it take
to activate it? Would I also need a lighter, or are some of them
self-igniting?
SQ
Datesfat Chicks
>
> Even packing a hunting knife could get me in trouble, legal trouble
> amongst others, especially in town:
I agree with MikeWhy ... a coyote is likely to be very quick and might be
harder to tag with a knife than you think.
I'm not sure a flare is such a good option because of the difficulty of
getting it going (I have minor trouble with that sometimes while I'm NOT
being attacked). Striking two parts together might not be easy when one
hand is already chewed to pieces and you're distracted because a coyote is
now shaking you by the genitals.
Constraints seem to be:
a)Ability to operate one-handed even while injured.
b)Not horribly illegal or dangerous to children (which rules out a firearm).
c)Won't be too difficult to tag an agile beast.
One of the best things I've seen is those collapsible steel batons. They
are compact, can be deployed with one hand, and have enough reach that you
can probably tag an animal.
They would discourage a coyote or two, but I think it would just make a bear
more determined to eat your genitals while you were alive and watching.
There is a lot of good stuff here:
http://www.crimehalter.com/collapsiblebatons.html
I don't see these devices as especially threatening to children because they
aren't more dangerous than other physical objects that children have access
to (such as baseball bats).
My only complaint against a safety flare is the reliability issues if they
get waterlogged and the difficulty in getting one going.
Datesfat
Doug Payne
> Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If you're
> not experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and ferocity,
> a close contact weapon isn't a good choice. Leave the knife at home.
> Ditto for street bums and muggers. For the wilderness, a road flare in a
> jacket pocket is probably your best bet.
Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large
dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd work
just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but capsaicin is a
pretty effective deterrent.
Datesfat Chicks
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>
> Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If you're not
> experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and ferocity, a
> close contact weapon isn't a good choice.
Wikipedia says this:
Coyotes typically grow up to 75�87 centimeters (30�34 inches) in length, not
counting a tail of 30-40 cm (12-16 in), stand about 58-66 cm (23-26 in) at
the shoulder and, on average, weigh from 7�21 kilograms (15�46
pounds).[5][10] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern
subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74� pounds (33.7 kg)
and measuring over five feet in total length.[11]
I did not know they were that large. I was thinking smaller.
A few of those in the 40-lb range could mess up your whole day.
Datesfat
MikeWhy
> "Sean_Q_" <no....@no.spam> wrote in message
> news:hcktip$ncj$1...@aioe.org...
>>
>> Even packing a hunting knife could get me in trouble, legal trouble
>> amongst others, especially in town:
>
> I agree with MikeWhy ... a coyote is likely to be very quick and
> might be harder to tag with a knife than you think.
No worries on that. They're coming *to* the knife. Rough house with the
neighbor's dog before you decide whether or not this is for you. Barehanded,
you would catch the lunging canine by the loose skin on either size of the
front of the neck, below the ears at the jaw line. With a Mowgli-fang in
hand, the open hand does the catching, the other one drives the point home,
in roughly the same manner as catching. I carry a 2-1/2" folder as a matter
of course.
> I'm not sure a flare is such a good option because of the difficulty
> of getting it going (I have minor trouble with that sometimes while
> I'm NOT being attacked). Striking two parts together might not be
> easy when one hand is already chewed to pieces and you're distracted
> because a coyote is now shaking you by the genitals.
I'm assuming some level of situation awareness. If push comes to shove, I'm
on Darwin's side of the argument. Doug mentioned bear spray. Maybe that'll
work better for you.
J. Clarke
However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as for a
gun, so you may as well carry the gun.
J. Clarke
> The talk about coyote attacks made me think about what, if any
> defensive weapons I could carry. Naturally I can't guard against any
> and all threats, otherwise I'd be a walking fortress arsenal
> (rotating radar dish on my beanie, body armor, spikes, napalm
> dispenser -- like something from alt.binaries.pictures.sci-fi).
>
> Even packing a hunting knife could get me in trouble, legal trouble
> amongst others, especially in town:
>
> COP: Why are you brandishing that knife, sir?
> ME: To fend off the coyotes.
> COP: There aren't any coyotes in sight around here.
> ME: You see, it works!
>
> It's too bad the Toronto folksinger didn't carry a walking stick on
> that hike in Nova Scotia, or the whole affair might have ended with
> CRACK! YIEEEEEEEEEE! YIPE! YIPE! YIPE...!
Uh, there were two of them and they didn't back down until one of them was
killed. Don't confuse a coyote with a feral dog. Coyotes have been known
to persist in attacks on large prey for 8 hours or more until it's brought
down and can successfully bring down prey as large as elk. Once they've
made the decision that this critter is dinner it takes more than whacking
them with a stick to chase them off.
Datesfat Chicks
news:hclef...@news5.newsguy.com...
>
> Uh, there were two of them and they didn't back down until one of them was
> killed. Don't confuse a coyote with a feral dog. Coyotes have been known
> to persist in attacks on large prey for 8 hours or more until it's brought
> down and can successfully bring down prey as large as elk. Once they've
> made the decision that this critter is dinner it takes more than whacking
> them with a stick to chase them off.
Wikipedia says 21 hours if the attack is going well:
Coyotes are persistent hunters, with successful attacks sometimes lasting as
much as 21 hours; even unsuccessful ones can continue more than 8 hours
before the coyotes give up. Depth of snow can affect the likelihood of a
successful kill.[27] Packs of coyotes can bring down prey as large as adult
elk, which usually weigh over 250 kg (550 lbs).
Doesn't sound like a fun way to die.
Datesfat
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>It's worse when I'm traveling because I'd be away from my home turf
>on unfamiliar ground. Tourists in Miami have been robbed "because they
>took a wrong turn and got into a bad neighborhood by mistake"
>according to news reports, and here's me without a clue how to
>distinguish the safe turns in Miami (and most other cities)
>from the unsafe ones.
Obviously, the left turns are bad. They are never right.
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> "J. Clarke" <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:hclef...@news5.newsguy.com...
>> Coyotes have been known to persist in attacks on large prey for 8 hours
>> or more until it's brought
>> down and can successfully bring down prey as large as elk. Once they've
>> made the decision that this critter is dinner it takes more than whacking
>> them with a stick to chase them off.
>
> Wikipedia says 21 hours if the attack is going well:
In a nature documentary about Yellowstone NP there were elk, wolves
and coyotes, one of whom seemed to have arrived at some accommodation
with the wolves, at least, with Wolf Pack 'A'.
The wolves would hunt the elk, and when they'd be lying around with full
bellies this coyote would slink hesitantly up to the kill, waiting
to see if the wolves would object (something like the jackal in
the Far Side cartoon who "didn't want trouble"). Well, it seems
Pack A was fairly tolerant about the coyote and they'd let him glean
at bit from what was left of the elk.
Then there was trouble. Some new wolves (Pack 'B') came along and chased
Pack A out of the valley. Problem was, no one told the coyote. He had
been away, courting Miss Coyote. So after Pack B had taken their first
elk and were lazing around with full bellies, along came the coyote...
which didn't amuse Pack B in the least. They chased after and killed
him, full bellies or not. That left Mrs. Coyote a widow, and she raised
her pups on moles and shrews or something less wolf-provoking to catch.
Then there was an epidemic of canine distemper which pretty well wiped
out Pack B, and after a while Pack A returned (too late for Mr. Coyote,
of course).
Now after reading Datesfat and Mr. Clarke's comments above I wonder why,
if coyotes can bring down their own elk instead of scrounging from
wolves, they didn't get a pack together and do that... maybe the problem
was that all the Yellowstone elk herds were in wolf territory(?)
SQ
Sean_Q_
> Obviously, the left turns are bad. They are never right.
However, if you keep turning in only one direction you can
end up moving in ever-diminishing circles until you ride up
your own exhaust outlet.
SQ
MikeWhy
...
> weighing 74� pounds (33.7 kg) and measuring over five feet in total
> length.[11]
> I did not know they were that large. I was thinking smaller.
>
> A few of those in the 40-lb range could mess up your whole day.
Be careful of getting carried away. Those fleeting glimpses of old werewolf
movies as you flicked idly through the channels in the past week leading up
to Halloween somehow transformed the first ever recorded adult human
fatality to coyotes into legions of humongous, bloodthirsty she-wolves
sneaking out of their near urban lairs and riding out of the moonlit
midnight mist to surround and devour you. Sounds like a job for Ma Deuce and
claymores. Definitely, leave the knife at home.
Stupendous Man
to the skull does the job. The driver thought he was next. He was rather
apologetic, but it wasn't his fault.
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.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
<boat042...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Datesfat Chicks wrote:
>...
>> weighing 74� pounds (33.7 kg) and measuring over five feet in total
>> length.[11]
>> I did not know they were that large. I was thinking smaller.
>>
>> A few of those in the 40-lb range could mess up your whole day.
>
>Be careful of getting carried away. Those fleeting glimpses of old werewolf
>movies as you flicked idly through the channels in the past week leading up
There wolf !
J. Clarke
Yep. Coyotes don't thrive in wolf territory and red foxes don't thrive in
coyote territory.
>
> SQ
The Older Gentleman
> However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as for a
> gun,
Really? Wow.
> so you may as well carry the gun.
Gets my vote.
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> From Rudyard Kipling's _The Jungle Book_:
<Massive snip>
Are you morphing into KrustyUS, now? Enough with the huge C&Ps. ;-)
Leszek Karlik
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as
>> for a gun,
> Really? Wow.
In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act, so depending on the
plod
and the judge you might get the same jail time, too. :-)
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Vito
| It's worse when I'm traveling because I'd be away from my home turf
| on unfamiliar ground. Tourists in Miami have been robbed "because they
Tourists are favorite prey, especially those from outside the US or from our
north east states. Florida residents can and many do carry guns concealed as
do visitors from other states with similar laws. Criminals know this and
seek unarmed prey.
Vito
| > Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large
| > dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd work
| > just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but capsaicin is a
| > pretty effective deterrent.
|
| However in many areas you get the same jail time for pepper spray as for a
| gun, so you may as well carry the gun.
|
and sticks. Prolly wouldn't get one arrested just for having it but I'll
stick with a pistol.
Doug Payne
Not in my area. It's perfectly legal to walk around in the woods
carrying bear spray. Carry a gun and get caught and you'll need the bear
spray for a whole new set of predators.
J. Clarke
You really need to check the statutes wherever you are going to be. Bear in
mind that in Morton Grove, IL, it is unlawful to own a handgun, while in
Kennesaw, Georgia, it is unlawful to _not_ own one.
And in Canada it gets even weirder--one can own bear spray in a big can but
not chemically identical people spray in a small can. But if you're going
to carry bear spray in Canada then buy it there--it's more hassle than it's
worth to get it across the border--it's one of the specific questions you
get asked when you cross the border.
Datesfat Chicks
>>
>> Now after reading Datesfat and Mr. Clarke's comments above I wonder
>> why, if coyotes can bring down their own elk instead of scrounging
>> from wolves, they didn't get a pack together and do that... maybe the
>> problem was that all the Yellowstone elk herds were in wolf
>> territory(?)
>
> Yep. Coyotes don't thrive in wolf territory and red foxes don't thrive in
> coyote territory.
There is another possible partial answer.
I suspect that coyotes won't choose the fittest elk to go after. There may
be a limit to the physical fitness of elk they can handle.
Because wolves are bigger, they may be able to prey on an elk that is fitter
than what the coyotes can prey on.
It may be that the wolves effectively remove the easy prey that the coyotes
can handle, leaving no weak elks for the coyotes.
In other words, if coyotes can prey on "3's" and below and wolves can prey
on "5's" and below, the wolves preying on 5's and below will also remove the
3's and below. No weak elk left for the coyotes.
Just a random thought coming from someone who knows nothing about nature.
Datesfat.
MikeWhy
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I was one anecdote about one coyote. Sheesh.
MikeWhy
The Older Gentleman
> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
language?
The Older Gentleman
> I suspect that coyotes won't choose the fittest elk to go after. There may
> be a limit to the physical fitness of elk they can handle.
I think this is a good time to post a link to the utterly *classic* Dogs
In Elk thread of a decade ago.
I laughed my socks off when I first read this, back in '99. Took some
finding again, but luckily someone has archived it for posterity.
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/dogsinelk.html
Enjoy.
The Older Gentleman
> Carry a gun and get caught and you'll need the bear
> spray for a whole new set of predators.
<VVBG>
Had a classic delayed drop after reading that.
Leszek Karlik
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh?
And tasers, and telescopic batons. I have to leave all my fun toys behind
when visiting Ye Olde England, the only thing I'm still allowed to have
on my person is a flashlight with a striking crown. Which isn't really that
useful against three pikey guys who want my wallet.
> Whatever next: harsh language?
Probably. Lie down on the floor and remain calm, CCTV will record
the assault for the purposes of an administrative review at a later time.
Sean_Q_
> I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now.
That took a while, didn't it? In Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Victorian era
story _The Adventure of the Empty House_ (pub 1905), a Colonel Moran
assassinates the Honorable Ronald Adair with an air gun through
a glass window. I'm not a gun nut-- er, ballistics expert, but if that's
at all feasible they can be lethal weapons.
SQ
Rob Kleinschmidt
wrote:
> "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hcl31h$hhh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > Adult coyotes are about the size of a small german shepherd. If you're not
> > experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and ferocity, a
> > close contact weapon isn't a good choice.
>
>
> Coyotes typically grow up to 75–87 centimeters (30–34 inches) in length, not
> counting a tail of 30-40 cm (12-16 in), stand about 58-66 cm (23-26 in) at
> the shoulder and, on average, weigh from 7–21 kilograms (15–46
> pounds).[5][10] Northern coyotes are typically larger than southern
> subspecies, with the largest coyotes on record weighing 74¾ pounds (33.7 kg)
> and measuring over five feet in total length.[11]
>
> I did not know they were that large. I was thinking smaller.
>
> A few of those in the 40-lb range could mess up your whole day.
That's interesting. The local ones are the smaller
variety and I'd be more worried about rabies than
anything else. Prior to this, I never knew that a
larger northern variety existed.
In an unexpected encounter, I'd definitely pick a long
stick in preference to a knife. The smaller local ones
I'd expect to be able to drive off pretty easily, but a
40-70 lb. critter, I'm not so sure.
BrianNZ
We had a cop (undercover in 'plainclothes' caught in the act of planting
a tracking device on a drug dealers car.....the dealer thought he was
chasing a car thief) chased down the road and shot with an air rifle in
the chest....he died at the scene.
The Older Gentleman
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> > classed as firearms now.
>
> That took a while, didn't it? In Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Victorian era
> story _The Adventure of the Empty House_ (pub 1905), a Colonel Moran
> assassinates the Honorable Ronald Adair with an air gun through
> a glass window.
Ah, a fan of 221b Baker Street, I detect....
> I'm not a gun nut-- er, ballistics expert, but if that's
> at all feasible they can be lethal weapons.
>
Oh, they can be, yes. Some kid was shot dead with one just last month,
or the month before. And people always uprate the springs, so you can
get something with the stopping power of a light .22 rifle.
It's just that the term 'firearm' suggests to me a degree of combustion
going on.
The Older Gentleman
> if that's
> at all feasible they can be lethal weapons.
Oh, they can be, yes. Some kid was shot dead with one just last month,
or the month before. And people always uprate the springs, so you can
get something with the stopping power of a light .22 rifle.
It's just that the term 'firearm' suggests to me a degree of combustion
going on.
J. Clarke
> Leszek Karlik <les...@hell.pl> wrote:
>
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
> language?
Have you ever seen the movie "Demolition Man" with Sylvester Stallone and
Sandra Bullock? In it there are machines that ticket anyone who uses harsh
language. Sly finds a creative use for the tickets.
J. Clarke
In the 1800s there were air guns marketed that were suitable for fair sized
game.
>
> SQ
Outback Jon
> MikeWhy wrote:
>
>> not experienced or comfortable manhandling a dog that size and
>> at home. Ditto for street bums and muggers. For the wilderness, a road
>> flare in a jacket pocket is probably your best bet.
>
> Try pepper spray, the kind designed for bears. Works great on large
> dogs. (And bears). Haven't used it on a mugger, but I expect it'd work
> just fine for one of those too. Nothing is perfect, but capsaicin is a
> pretty effective deterrent.
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Outback Jon
> Leszek Karlik <les...@hell.pl> wrote:
>
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
> language?
>
>
Fresh fruit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Leszek Karlik <les...@hell.pl> wrote:
>
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
>It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
>classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
>language?
Too late - read your 'hate speech' laws.
Vito
"Doug Payne" <dwp...@ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote|
| Not in my area. It's perfectly legal to walk around in the woods
| carrying bear spray. Carry a gun and get caught and you'll need the bear
| spray for a whole new set of predators.
Just for curiosity, where is that??
Doug Payne
The .ca in my address indicates Canada.
Chuck Rhode
> It may be that the wolves effectively remove the easy prey that the
> coyotes can handle, leaving no weak elks for the coyotes.
I attended a National Parks Service lecture in the Yellowstone
courtesy of the Audubon Society. This was before wolf reintroduction.
They claimed at that time that coyotes had assumed the behavior of
wolves such as running in packs.
"Time Magazine Jan.'98, reports, '... An ecosystem stripped of the
wolf doesn't simply become more peaceable; rather, it becomes flabby
and unbalanced. With the dominant predator gone, the next biggest
hunter-typically the coyote-assumes the top spot. As the coyote
population explodes, the populations of foxes, badgers and martens,
which compete with coyotes for rodents and other small game,
dwindle. Large prey such as elk, which were once brought down by
wolves, begin to multiply excessively, stripping vegetation from
highlands, and denuding riparian habitat of valuable stream side cover
such as aspen and willow. And with few elk carcasses to be found,
scavengers like magpies, ravens and grizzly bears, accustomed to
dining on scraps from wolf kills, have to scrounge elsewhere for
protein.'"
o California Wolf Center. "Why We Care About the Wolves." 6
Oct. 2009. 2 Nov. 2009 <http://www.californiawolfcenter.org/why.htm>.
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Vito
news:hcnjc4$1fo$1...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
Yes, sorry ... I thot Canadians could carry guns, just not pistols.
MikeWhy
news:op.u2r7dze9bkkx24@attitude-adjust...
> when visiting Ye Olde England, the only thing I'm still allowed to have
> on my person is a flashlight with a striking crown. Which isn't really
> that
> useful against three pikey guys who want my wallet.
You're using the wrong end. http://www.surefire.com/G2z-Combatlight.
Sean_Q_
> Ah, a fan of 221b Baker Street, I detect....
I could have C&P'd the whole story, but refrained so as
not to incur the Wrath of TOG. ;-)
SQ
Stephen Cowell
> going on.
Over-oil one and see what happens! The
Diesel Rifle.
__
Steve
.
S'mee
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
> ...
>
> > It's just that the term 'firearm' suggests to me a degree of combustion
> > going on.
>
> Over-oil one and see what happens! The
> Diesel Rifle.
only if you put quiet a few rounds through it...otherwise it just
spews oil all about like a motorcycle using a constant loss oil
system. Not that after a couple decades of firing weapons from semi to
full auto would ever give me a clue...
Beav
"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1j8khb9.1rv45ng185egjxN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk...
> Leszek Karlik <les...@hell.pl> wrote:
>
>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh? Whatever next: harsh
> language?
Well Plod doesn't much like being told to "Fuck off cunt". Mind ewe, it IS
an offence even if they are cunts.
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VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
Sean_Q_
> Well Plod doesn't much like being told to "Fuck off cunt".
> Mind ewe, it IS an offence even if they are cunts.
Really? Here's what it says in _The Sleep of Reason_ (re the murder
of toddler James Bulger by 2 11-year-olds in Liverpool, 1993):
[Policeman] Brian's on a home visit. He knocks on the door
and a small boy answers. Brian's feeling chirpy, so he says,
"Hello sonny, you the man of the house?"
"Fuck off, I'm only six."
He goes inside and speaks to the father. He asks the father,
"Do you know what your son just said to me?"
"Well, what do you fucking expect," says the father.
Soon thereafter:
He's gone round to see a 15-year-old about an offence.
The youth answers the door and Brian explains why he's there.
"What the fuck's it got to do with you," the youth replies.
Brian says he'll be helping to decide what happens.
"I've already admitted it," says the youth. "I'm going to get
a caution."
He's standing on the doorstep, verbally abusing Brian, when
the father comes out, telling his son not to be rude to the officer.
The boy tells his father to "mind his own fucking business,"
and punches him.
They're all in the house now, Brian restraining the struggling youth,
mother and father dancing round them, saying,
"Go on, officer, give him a good hiding."
SQ - "Hold childhood in reverence, and do not be in any hurry to judge
it for good or ill... Remember that _childhood is the sleep of reason_."
-- _Emile_ by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, 1762
martin
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:51:23 +0100, The Older Gentleman
>
>
> [...]
>
> >> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>
> > It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are legally
> > classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh?
>
was an article on some .32 and .38 airguns. I do believe those
polluting
Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
tt
tt
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
J. Clarke
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:34:31 -0800 (PST), martin
> <martin.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 12:07 pm, "Leszek Karlik" <les...@hell.pl> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:51:23 +0100, The Older Gentleman
>>>
>>> <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> In the UK pepper spray is covered by the Firearms Act,
>>>
>>>> It is? Jesus. I got a shock when I discovered that airguns are
>>>> legally classed as firearms now. Pepper sprays too, huh?
>>>
>>>> Google "Quackenbush Airguns". I recall that several years ago there
>> was an article on some .32 and .38 airguns. I do believe those
>> polluting
>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
>
> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Well, the brits have been using 'the farting' as a standard
measurement of value for so long, they are comfortable with it :-)
Chuck Rhode
> Well, the brits have been using 'the farting' as a standard
> measurement of value for so long, they are comfortable with it :-)
1,000,000,000 CFU (Cow Fart Units) = 1 Gigafart
o Betinov, Ivan. "Anthropogenic Continental Drift: An Incoherent
Truth." 7 Jan. 2008. The People's Cube. 5 Nov. 2009
<http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1668>.
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Datesfat Chicks
news:hctbj...@news4.newsguy.com...
>
>>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
>>
>> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
>
> Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
That is the single most disgusting but technically correct statement I've
seen this decade.
Datesfat
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Brings a whole new meaning to 'blow it out your ass',
don't it ? :-)
J. Clarke
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:33:23 -0500, "Datesfat Chicks"
> <datesfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:hctbj...@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>>>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
>>>>
>>>> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
>>>
>>> Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
>>
>> That is the single most disgusting but technically correct statement
>> I've seen this decade.
>>
>> Datesfat
>
> Brings a whole new meaning to 'blow it out your ass',
> don't it ? :-)
You gotta be young fellas if you don't remember the fart-lighting fad back
in the late '60s and early '70s.
S'mee
> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:33:23 -0500, "Datesfat Chicks"
>
> >> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>news:hctbj...@news4.newsguy.com...
>
> >>>>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
>
> >>>> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
>
> >>> Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
>
> >> That is the single most disgusting but technically correct statement
> >> I've seen this decade.
>
> >> Datesfat
>
> > Brings a whole new meaning to 'blow it out your ass',
> > don't it ? :-)
>
> You gotta be young fellas if you don't remember the fart-lighting fad back
> in the late '60s and early '70s.
I deny any and all knowledge of said fad. Honest it wasn't me!
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
I have other reasons for not remembering that time period ....
I got stoned and I missed it.
The Older Gentleman
> I got stoned and I missed it.
Did you, Doctor?
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turby
> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:33:23 -0500, "Datesfat Chicks"
>
> >> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>news:hctbj...@news4.newsguy.com...
>
> >>>>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
>
> >>>> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
>
> >>> Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
>
> >> That is the single most disgusting but technically correct statement
> >> I've seen this decade.
>
> >> Datesfat
>
> > Brings a whole new meaning to 'blow it out your ass',
> > don't it ? :-)
>
> You gotta be young fellas if you don't remember the fart-lighting fad back
> in the late '60s and early '70s.
To say nothing of that infamous early Youtube video.
BrianNZ
A 'fad'......how dare you dismiss it like that!!! It's a lifestyle!
:)
J. Clarke
For some it became one--there were a few backups.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> BrianNZ wrote:
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:33:23 -0500, "Datesfat Chicks"
>
> >>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:hctbj...@news4.newsguy.com...
> >>>>>>> Parlament have set power limits on airguns.
> >>>>>> 'More than a fart's worth' is their legal term for it :-)
> >>>>> Well if it lights the fart that could be quite a lot.
> >>>> That is the single most disgusting but technically correct
> >>>> statement I've seen this decade.
>
> >>>> Datesfat
> >>> Brings a whole new meaning to 'blow it out your ass',
> >>> don't it ? :-)
>
> >> You gotta be young fellas if you don't remember the fart-lighting
> >> fad back in the late '60s and early '70s.
>
> > A 'fad'......how dare you dismiss it like that!!! It's a lifestyle!
> > :)
>
> For some it became one--there were a few backups.
Loud pipes save lives ?