OT But Wonderful...
Twibil
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Grand-Canyon.html
Fantastic. Thanks for posting.
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Rob Kleinschmidt
> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Gran...
Damn !!!
TOG@Toil
> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Gran...
Holy Jumping Jesus. And he was pulling rolls as well.
I wonder how many students tried doing the same thing, and found out,
the hard way, that they couldn't?
Would that trainer have had ejector seats, back then?
Mark Olson
Sure- they eject you directly into the canyon wall.
J. Clarke
Any trained fighter pilot should be able to do that. Flying below terrain
is a standard radar avoidance technique. I think you will find that no
military aircraft was ever lost in the Grand Canyon.
The rolls weren't until the end, looked like he did a couple of victory
rolls.
The Older Gentleman
> TOG@Toil wrote:
> > On 25 Nov, 23:00, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Gran...
> >
> > Holy Jumping Jesus. And he was pulling rolls as well.
> >
> > I wonder how many students tried doing the same thing, and found out,
> > the hard way, that they couldn't?
> >
> > Would that trainer have had ejector seats, back then?
>
> Any trained fighter pilot should be able to do that. Flying below terrain
> is a standard radar avoidance technique. I think you will find that no
> military aircraft was ever lost in the Grand Canyon.
Really? I'm impressed, if so. ISTR that two civil airliners collided
over the GC, though, some time back in the late 1950s/early 1960s.
>
> The rolls weren't until the end, looked like he did a couple of victory
> rolls.
Damned impressive.
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Twibil
>
>
> Holy Jumping Jesus. And he was pulling rolls as well.
Heh. True story.
Disneyland (the original) used to have a "ride" where the participants
stood inside a circular room where there was a high-def 360 degree
action movie projected all around you on the walls. The sense of being
part of the scene was intense, and the grand finale was a short ride
through the Grand Canyon in some sort of twin-engined light plane.
Disney provided handrails -and instructed you to use them- but one day
several musician frends of mine and I decided to visit the Magic
Kingdom while under the influence of a recreational herb, and when the
plane came to the first turn -and banked up 90 degrees on one wingtip-
we all went down like redwoods chain-sawed off at the roots: all at
once, full-length, with no sissy knee-bending or putting out of hands
to break the fall. (Insert multiple thuds, bruises, and ill-concealed
laughter.)
Fortunately we managed to get untangled and upright before the lights
came back on.
> I wonder how many students tried doing the same thing, and found out,
> the hard way, that they couldn't?
None.
> Would that trainer have had ejector seats, back then?
Yes, but not the modern sort that kick you up high enough for the
parachute to have opened in time.
Disclaimers to the contrary, US fighter pilots still use certain
portions of our backcountry for nap-of-the-earth flying practice, and
I've stood on the edge of the Kern Trench (a declivity of sorts in the
southern Sierra Nevada) and seen Navy F/A-18s from China Lake NAS pass
by well below me at just less than the speed of sound.
It's impressive as all get-out unless you happen to be standing on the
*floor* of the Kern Trench when one goes over. You can't hear them
coming, you can't *see* them coming because the trees obstruct your
view, and the sudden roar as they go past at treetop height assures
that should you survive this, your heart will most likely outlive
*you*.
The Older Gentleman
> Disneyland (the original) used to have a "ride" where the participants
> stood inside a circular room where there was a high-def 360 degree
> action movie projected all around you on the walls. The sense of being
> part of the scene was intense, and the grand finale was a short ride
> through the Grand Canyon in some sort of twin-engined light plane.
>
> Disney provided handrails -and instructed you to use them- but one day
> several musician frends of mine and I decided to visit the Magic
> Kingdom while under the influence of a recreational herb, and when the
> plane came to the first turn -and banked up 90 degrees on one wingtip-
> we all went down like redwoods chain-sawed off at the roots: all at
> once, full-length, with no sissy knee-bending or putting out of hands
> to break the fall. (Insert multiple thuds, bruises, and ill-concealed
> laughter.)
>
> Fortunately we managed to get untangled and upright before the lights
> came back on.
Believe it or not, I saw that. They had it at the Bol d'Or 24-hour race,
in the south of France, oh, 25 years ago, in a huge sort of
semi-spherical inflatable tent. I remmeber when the plane (or chopper)
flew off the edge of the Canyon, and you *felt* your stomach drop away.
They called it the 180 degree Cinema.
There was another film - following some lunatic in a car up some twisty
road in San Francisco.
Amazing how your bodily senses were completely confused.
Never seen anything like it since. More's the pity.
J. Clarke
> J. Clarke <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> TOG@Toil wrote:
>>> On 25 Nov, 23:00, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Gran...
>>>
>>> Holy Jumping Jesus. And he was pulling rolls as well.
>>>
>>> I wonder how many students tried doing the same thing, and found
>>> out, the hard way, that they couldn't?
>>>
>>> Would that trainer have had ejector seats, back then?
>>
>> Any trained fighter pilot should be able to do that. Flying below
>> terrain is a standard radar avoidance technique. I think you will
>> find that no military aircraft was ever lost in the Grand Canyon.
>
> Really? I'm impressed, if so. ISTR that two civil airliners collided
> over the GC, though, some time back in the late 1950s/early 1960s.
The commercial airliners weren't _in_ the Canyon, though, they were at
21,000 feet, and the Canyon per se didn't play any part in the crash. There
was a mid-air _in_ the Canyon in 1986 between a couple of tour operators.
S'mee
> http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Jetting-Through-the-Gran...
trust the FAA to take the fun out of flying... Still that was SWEET!!!
Almost as fun as motorcycle or sex.
Twibil
>
>
> trust the FAA to take the fun out of flying...
As I understood it at the time, it was the National Park Service who
closed the canyon to everything except emergency 'copter dustoffs for
badly injured hikers, etcetera.
What with the Air Force guys, the tourist airplanes, and the
sightseeing helicopters, it had become a real freeway down in there;
which contrasted poorly with the Park Service's goal of keeping
everything as close to natural as possible.
S'mee
Only way that is possible is to demolish EVERY damn dam on the
colorado and ban foot traffic from the canyon...the river in it's wild
state will drive off all but expert rafters/kayakers. Sorry, been
there hiked that and even a 14 I figured the best way to preseve the
canyon was to kick people out of it permenantly.
The Older Gentleman
> The commercial airliners weren't _in_ the Canyon, though, they were at
> 21,000 feet, and the Canyon per se didn't play any part in the crash. There
> was a mid-air _in_ the Canyon in 1986 between a couple of tour operators.
Ah! I was muddling the two. I knew something had gone splat and cba to
Google.
Amazed that nobody's actually splattered themselves against the sides
doing what those air force guys were doing, but then I suspect there's
more space there than it looks like in the film.
Twibil
>
>
> > What with the Air Force guys, the tourist airplanes, and the
> > sightseeing helicopters, it had become a real freeway down in there;
> > which contrasted poorly with the Park Service's goal of keeping
> > everything as close to natural as possible.
>
> Only way that is possible is to demolish EVERY damn dam on the
> colorado and ban foot traffic from the canyon...the river in it's wild
> state will drive off all but expert rafters/kayakers.
Depends on what time of year you're thinking of.
You wouldn't want to have tried rafting the natural Colorado in spring
or summer while the annual snow-melt from the Rocky Mountains was
still going downstream, but in the fall the water flow usually dropped
down to just about what the damn Glen Canyon dam now allows through.
> Sorry, been
> there hiked that and even a 14 I figured the best way to preseve the
> canyon was to kick people out of it permenantly.
Sure. True of just about anywhere else you can name, too. But "as
close to natural as possible" so far as the Park Service is concerned
means allowing the public limited access, not barring them entirely.
If you're an old canyon guy you should read Ed Abbey's "The Monkey
Wrench Gang" and "The Place No One Knew (Glen Canyon On The Colorado)"
by Eliot Porter.
S'mee
> On Nov 26, 7:44 pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > What with the Air Force guys, the tourist airplanes, and the
> > > sightseeing helicopters, it had become a real freeway down in there;
> > > which contrasted poorly with the Park Service's goal of keeping
> > > everything as close to natural as possible.
>
> > Only way that is possible is to demolish EVERY damn dam on the
> > colorado and ban foot traffic from the canyon...the river in it's wild
> > state will drive off all but expert rafters/kayakers.
>
> Depends on what time of year you're thinking of.
>
> You wouldn't want to have tried rafting the natural Colorado in spring
> or summer while the annual snow-melt from the Rocky Mountains was
> still going downstream, but in the fall the water flow usually dropped
> down to just about what the damn Glen Canyon dam now allows through.
I've seen the FIRST boats. (well the disney copies that were made of
the original plans) and the petroglyphs in Glenn canyon. (I refuse to
call it lake Powell). I'm no tree hugging environut...BUT it isn't
hard to figure out when something SHOULDN'T be done. <shrug> That
daming the colorado is kind of obvious...but idiots run the country.
> > Sorry, been
> > there hiked that and even a 14 I figured the best way to preseve the
> > canyon was to kick people out of it permenantly.
>
> Sure. True of just about anywhere else you can name, too. But "as
> close to natural as possible" so far as the Park Service is concerned
> means allowing the public limited access, not barring them entirely.
Who said the PS is correct...
> If you're an old canyon guy you should read Ed Abbey's "The Monkey
> Wrench Gang" and "The Place No One Knew (Glen Canyon On The Colorado)"
> by Eliot Porter.
Did that over 20 years ago. 8^) I really should get a copy of "Hayduke
LIVES!" the sequel to TMWG...if billboards hadn't thinned out I'd have
been running around at night with a chain saw and gas cans also. With
my luck it wouldn't have been with a hottie in a caddilac. 8^(
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> > The commercial airliners weren't _in_ the Canyon, though, they were at
> > 21,000 feet, and the Canyon per se didn't play any part in the crash. There
> > was a mid-air _in_ the Canyon in 1986 between a couple of tour operators.
>
> Ah! I was muddling the two. I knew something had gone splat and cba to
> Google.
>
> Amazed that nobody's actually splattered themselves against the sides
> doing what those air force guys were doing, but then I suspect there's
> more space there than it looks like in the film.
Well remember, those guys were/are experts. 8^) Also yes, there is
more space than you'd expect but at the speed envelope of a T-33 it's
not very much room at all. It's all relative dude, like what is a
snooze of a road for one motorcycle is a white knuckle, spincter
clenching event on another. 8^)
J. Clarke
> J. Clarke <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The commercial airliners weren't _in_ the Canyon, though, they were
>> at 21,000 feet, and the Canyon per se didn't play any part in the
>> crash. There was a mid-air _in_ the Canyon in 1986 between a couple
>> of tour operators.
>
> Ah! I was muddling the two. I knew something had gone splat and cba to
> Google.
>
> Amazed that nobody's actually splattered themselves against the sides
> doing what those air force guys were doing, but then I suspect there's
> more space there than it looks like in the film.
You've never seen it? If you ever get the chance, do. I'm not wordsmith
enough to even attempt to describe it.
Here's a book you might find interesting:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Who-Walked-through-Time/dp/0679723064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259328836&sr=8-1
S'mee
>
> >> The commercial airliners weren't _in_ the Canyon, though, they were
> >> at 21,000 feet, and the Canyon per se didn't play any part in the
> >> crash. There was a mid-air _in_ the Canyon in 1986 between a couple
> >> of tour operators.
>
> > Ah! I was muddling the two. I knew something had gone splat and cba to
> > Google.
>
> > Amazed that nobody's actually splattered themselves against the sides
> > doing what those air force guys were doing, but then I suspect there's
> > more space there than it looks like in the film.
>
> You've never seen it? If you ever get the chance, do. I'm not wordsmith
> enough to even attempt to describe it.
>
Definate good read...damned good reat at that. Best way to see it is
on foot, not by mule, not by plane or helicoptor or boat. Nope it's
best seen from afoot...anytime of year will do.
Twibil
>
>
> > If you're an old canyon guy you should read Ed Abbey's "The Monkey
> > Wrench Gang" and "The Place No One Knew (Glen Canyon On The Colorado)"
> > by Eliot Porter.
>
> Did that over 20 years ago. 8^) I really should get a copy of "Hayduke
> LIVES!" the sequel to TMWG...
Not as good as the original, but if you'll contact me off-group with a
mailing address I'll send you my copy as an early Christmas present.
Er, so long as you don't mind a well-thumbed and slightly dog-eared
version, that is.
Twibil
>
>
> Here's a book you might find interesting:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Who-Walked-through-Time/dp/0679723064/ref...
Good book, good writer.
The part where he's contentedly sitting on a rock and notices a small
bug walking away from him ",,,now fat with blood. Warm, mammalian
blood. *MY* blood!" always stuck with me, much like a cone-nosed
kissing bug.
S'mee
> On Nov 27, 1:28 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > If you're an old canyon guy you should read Ed Abbey's "The Monkey
> > > Wrench Gang" and "The Place No One Knew (Glen Canyon On The Colorado)"
> > > by Eliot Porter.
>
> > Did that over 20 years ago. 8^) I really should get a copy of "Hayduke
> > LIVES!" the sequel to TMWG...
>
> Not as good as the original, but if you'll contact me off-group with a
> mailing address I'll send you my copy as an early Christmas present.
It's cool...when I am supposed to read it a copy will be available. I
appreciate the thought though.
> Er, so long as you don't mind a well-thumbed and slightly dog-eared
> version, that is.
lol, I actually wore out my PB verison of the monkey wrench gang. Much
like I did a Sand County Almanac.
S'mee
The balck flys aren't much fun either. 8^(