900rr vs. FZR1000 vs. ZX9
mna...@vms1.gmu.edu
A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
(he's buying this week)
My opinion has been that the yamaha and the kawi can be compared
but that the 900rr should not be compared w/ the first two.
The 900rr gives you a different ride and you should first know what
kind of riding you plan on doing, then decide which bike to get.
(my opinion)
However between the ZX9 and the FZR1000 I have told him to go with
the FZR. I admit I lean towards the Yamaha camp but I want to be
as objective as possible for him.
Everything I have ever read has indicated that the yamaha has more power,
has better handling, and is an all around better ride.
I have ridden the FZR but not the ZX9. So I would like some objective
discussion. If you have ridden both these bikes please provide some'
imput.
BTW My friend is 5'11 and 230lbs.
Any info will be much appreciated
Maz.
Maziar Namvar
'90 FZR600
Sensory Overload
:
:
: A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
: (he's buying this week)
:
: My opinion has been that the yamaha and the kawi can be compared
: but that the 900rr should not be compared w/ the first two.
:
: The 900rr gives you a different ride and you should first know what
: kind of riding you plan on doing, then decide which bike to get.
: (my opinion)
:
: However between the ZX9 and the FZR1000 I have told him to go with
: the FZR. I admit I lean towards the Yamaha camp but I want to be
: as objective as possible for him.
:
: Everything I have ever read has indicated that the yamaha has more power,
: has better handling, and is an all around better ride.
Not quite.
Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
that.
But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
130hp.
In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
except for a ZX-11.
The handling, from what I've heard, is sort of the same between the
ZX-9 and FZR. The ZX-9 at least doesn't have a massive exhaust
canister which drags easily in right-hand turns.
Personally, I'd take the ZX-9 (I think it also looks better than the
Fizzer).
: I have ridden the FZR but not the ZX9. So I would like some objective
: discussion. If you have ridden both these bikes please provide some'
: imput.
:
: BTW My friend is 5'11 and 230lbs.
He would just love a GSX-R.
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mna...@vms1.gmu.edu
> In <1995Apr1...@vms1.gmu.edu> mna...@vms1.gmu.edu writes:
>
> :
> :
> : A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
> : (he's buying this week)
> :
> : My opinion has been that the yamaha and the kawi can be compared
> : but that the 900rr should not be compared w/ the first two.
> :
> : The 900rr gives you a different ride and you should first know what
> : kind of riding you plan on doing, then decide which bike to get.
> : (my opinion)
> :
> : However between the ZX9 and the FZR1000 I have told him to go with
> : the FZR. I admit I lean towards the Yamaha camp but I want to be
> : as objective as possible for him.
> :
> : Everything I have ever read has indicated that the yamaha has more power,
> : has better handling, and is an all around better ride.
>
> Not quite.
>
> Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
> that.
> But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
> come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
> 130hp.
> In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
> except for a ZX-11.
Mr. overload,
could you please tell me where you are getting this data from?
I'm not challenging you just curious. Do you know where one
can get 1/4mile data? I know that both bikes have same dry
weight (Kawi 2lbs more) and it seems to me that w/ 100 more cc's
the FZR should winn on power/weight. Of course gearing, and
carburation have a lot to do with this but if you could elaborate a little
that'd be great.
Jonathan M Gardner
: In <1995Apr1...@vms1.gmu.edu> mna...@vms1.gmu.edu writes:
: Not quite.
: Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
: that.
: But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
: come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
: 130hp.
: In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
: except for a ZX-11.
Not quite (deja vu?)
A la 6/95 issue of Sport Rider, 0-60MPH ZX9 = 3.2 sec., FZR1000 = 3.1 sec.
0-100MPH ZX9 = 6.6 sec., FZR1000 = 6.7 sec. top speed of ZX9 = 168 MPH vs
FZR1000's 166MPH. 1/4 mi. ZX9 = 10.40 sec @ 133.2 MPH vs FZR1000's 10.53
sec @ 131.7. Less than 1 second of difference between ZX9 and FZR1000 on
the Willows courses. Doesn't look like the ZX9 can "smoke" the FZR1000,
more like just barely scraping by.
: The handling, from what I've heard, is sort of the same between the
: ZX-9 and FZR. The ZX-9 at least doesn't have a massive exhaust
: canister which drags easily in right-hand turns.
: He would just love a GSX-R.
I agree! (Major, I think we should activate the flame-resistant shields now!)
Jonathan G.
j...@uclink.berkeley.edu
FZR-600R pilot (for sale)
SunHawk7
much better all round bikes. Don't care for the steering or nervous
handling on the CBR despite it's light weight advantage. After 2 years, I
finally got rid of it. I personally prefer the ZX9 over the FZR because
it just seems a bit more finished and up to date. The handling on the ZX9
seems a little tighter and I like it's stability and handling. Stability
is NOT a CBR strong point. The engine also feels subjectively stronger on
the ZX9 also. Quite a surprise, actually. Reminds me a bit of my ZX-11
but with tighter overall control. The most comfortable of all of them to
me? No question, I prefer the ZX-9 and I'll take mine in the new all
metallic maroon. What a beaut. Love the sound that bike makes with the
Vance & Hines SS2R also.
Kevin Jacques
93 ZX-11D
94 Ducati 900 SS SP
Zach Williams
: Not quite.
: Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
: that.
: But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
: come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
: 130hp.
: In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
: except for a ZX-11.
: The handling, from what I've heard, is sort of the same between the
: ZX-9 and FZR. The ZX-9 at least doesn't have a massive exhaust
: canister which drags easily in right-hand turns.
: Personally, I'd take the ZX-9 (I think it also looks better than the
: Fizzer).
: : I have ridden the FZR but not the ZX9. So I would like some objective
: : discussion. If you have ridden both these bikes please provide some'
: : imput.
: :
: : BTW My friend is 5'11 and 230lbs.
: He would just love a GSX-R.
An older GSX-R perhaps but not one the fat new ones :-). I had
the opportunity to ride the ZX-9 and thought it was a pretty fat
pig. Nice motor though. I've got an FZR1000 w/Stage III and a V&H pipe
and at least my bike *FEELS* faster (also: cams degreed in, intake
ports cleaned up....I've smoked a ZX-9 on it but then you know about
the pilot and the position of the moon and all that crap....) I'm only
5'6", and at that height disadvantage the FZR makes more sense. Its
also more stable in real fast sweepers. (although if you have the
stock exhaust, watch it in those right-handers.....)
Overall, out of the box, I'd say they're pretty equal with a
slight advantage for the ZX-9. But if you're willing to spend a few
hundred dollars over the cost of the bike for mods I think the FZR
would be better. Afterall...the ZX-9 will always be fat. (But not as
fat as the newer GSX-R's)
Gawd I'd like an RGV-250 or 500............(dreaming)
-Zach
Matthew Mills
: A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
: (he's buying this week)
: My opinion has been that the yamaha and the kawi can be compared
: but that the 900rr should not be compared w/ the first two.
: The 900rr gives you a different ride and you should first know what
: kind of riding you plan on doing, then decide which bike to get.
: (my opinion)
: However between the ZX9 and the FZR1000 I have told him to go with
: the FZR. I admit I lean towards the Yamaha camp but I want to be
: as objective as possible for him.
: Everything I have ever read has indicated that the yamaha has more power,
: has better handling, and is an all around better ride.
: I have ridden the FZR but not the ZX9. So I would like some objective
: discussion. If you have ridden both these bikes please provide some'
: imput.
: BTW My friend is 5'11 and 230lbs.
: Any info will be much appreciated.
I would suggest the FZR, even though I'm partial to the
CBR myself. A friend had a 900RR and at 6'1" and 240, he found
himself too cramped. He traded to an FZR and hasn't looked back.
As far real world power, the bikes are pretty similar, so don't
bother dicing percentages. All are fun to ride, but the FZR is
the most solid of the bunch. Personally, I like the "riding on
the razor's edge" feel of the CBR - not unstable, just very, very
responsive. I tended to fatigue quickly on the ZX-9, not as fast
on the CBR, and hardly at all on the FZR.
Matt
'93 CBR 900RR
Sensory Overload
: Sensory Overload (B4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu) wrote:
: : In <1995Apr1...@vms1.gmu.edu> mna...@vms1.gmu.edu writes:
:
:
: : Not quite.
:
: : Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
: : that.
: : But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
: : come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
: : 130hp.
: : In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
: : except for a ZX-11.
:
: Not quite (deja vu?)
:
: A la 6/95 issue of Sport Rider, 0-60MPH ZX9 = 3.2 sec., FZR1000 = 3.1 sec.
: 0-100MPH ZX9 = 6.6 sec., FZR1000 = 6.7 sec. top speed of ZX9 = 168 MPH vs
: FZR1000's 166MPH. 1/4 mi. ZX9 = 10.40 sec @ 133.2 MPH vs FZR1000's 10.53
: sec @ 131.7. Less than 1 second of difference between ZX9 and FZR1000 on
: the Willows courses. Doesn't look like the ZX9 can "smoke" the FZR1000,
: more like just barely scraping by.
Oh no! It's the return of the "A fraction of a second in a timed
dragrace means absolutely nothing" V-Max vs. ZX11 thread!
.13 of a second in elapsed time is considered pretty significant in a
dragrace.
This all depends on what we mean by "smoking". I used the word to
exaggerate the comparison, of course, but the original statement
implied that the FZR was faster in a straight line, but clearly, it's
not.
The ZX9 is faster, and that is with giving up 100 or so cc's to the
big FZR.
Sensory Overload
: Sensory Overload (B4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu) wrote:
:
: : Not quite.
:
: : Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
: : that.
: : But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
: : come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
: : 130hp.
: : In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
: : except for a ZX-11.
:
: : The handling, from what I've heard, is sort of the same between the
: : ZX-9 and FZR. The ZX-9 at least doesn't have a massive exhaust
: : canister which drags easily in right-hand turns.
:
: : Personally, I'd take the ZX-9 (I think it also looks better than the
: : Fizzer).
:
: : : I have ridden the FZR but not the ZX9. So I would like some objective
: : : discussion. If you have ridden both these bikes please provide some'
: : : imput.
: : :
: : : BTW My friend is 5'11 and 230lbs.
:
: : He would just love a GSX-R.
:
:
: An older GSX-R perhaps but not one the fat new ones :-). I had
I wouldn't say that. The older GSX-Rs have even MORE cruel ergonomics
than the newer ones (particularly the newer 11s, which have softened
their focus considerably--i.e. higher clipons, lower pegs, etc.).
: the opportunity to ride the ZX-9 and thought it was a pretty fat
: pig. Nice motor though. I've got an FZR1000 w/Stage III and a V&H pipe
Well, the ZX-9 is actually within a few pounds of the big FZR, if my
mammary serves me correctly.
: and at least my bike *FEELS* faster (also: cams degreed in, intake
: ports cleaned up....I've smoked a ZX-9 on it but then you know about
: the pilot and the position of the moon and all that crap....) I'm only
Probably because your bike IS faster. Those mods should add up to an
easy 10-15 horsepower over stock.
: 5'6", and at that height disadvantage the FZR makes more sense. Its
: also more stable in real fast sweepers. (although if you have the
: stock exhaust, watch it in those right-handers.....)
:
: Overall, out of the box, I'd say they're pretty equal with a
: slight advantage for the ZX-9. But if you're willing to spend a few
: hundred dollars over the cost of the bike for mods I think the FZR
: would be better. Afterall...the ZX-9 will always be fat. (But not as
: fat as the newer GSX-R's)
Well, like I was saying, the ZX-9 is about the same weight as your
FZR, but from the seat, it feels even bulkier....probably because of
that huge gas tank that seems like it's large enough to be able to
refuel a fighter jet.
The ZX-9 from the seat feels like a ZX-7, except for its higher
clipons and lower pegs.
kevinh
In article <3mkutl$14...@news.cuny.edu>, B4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu (Sensory Overload) writes:
|> In <1995Apr1...@vms1.gmu.edu> mna...@vms1.gmu.edu writes:
|>
|> :
|> :
|> : (he's buying this week)
|> :
[snip]
|>
|> The handling, from what I've heard, is sort of the same between the
|> ZX-9 and FZR. The ZX-9 at least doesn't have a massive exhaust
|> canister which drags easily in right-hand turns.
A few bike mags in the UK (Fast Bikes comes to mind) have criticised
the ZX-9's handling *VERY* severely. In one comparison test a very
experienced test rider was not prepared to push the ZX-9 to the limit
because of this problem... (unusual for one of the nutters who tests for
fast bikes!)
Everybody praises the FZR1000, to the extent that although everybody knows
the Fireblade (CBR900RR) is the fastest on a nice smooth track, they pretty
clearly give the FZR1000 a better rating on normal roads. Whilst it isn't
the newest, most fashionable bike there are very very few people who are
brave enough to push it to its limits...
Kevin.
Sensory Overload
: In article <3mkutl$14...@news.cuny.edu>, B4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu (Sensory Overload) writes:
: > In <1995Apr1...@vms1.gmu.edu> mna...@vms1.gmu.edu writes:
: >
: > :
: > :
: > : A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
: > : (he's buying this week)
: > :
: > : My opinion has been that the yamaha and the kawi can be compared
: > : but that the 900rr should not be compared w/ the first two.
: > :
: > : The 900rr gives you a different ride and you should first know what
: > : kind of riding you plan on doing, then decide which bike to get.
: > : (my opinion)
: > :
: > : However between the ZX9 and the FZR1000 I have told him to go with
: > : the FZR. I admit I lean towards the Yamaha camp but I want to be
: > : as objective as possible for him.
: > :
: > : Everything I have ever read has indicated that the yamaha has more power,
: > : has better handling, and is an all around better ride.
: >
: > Not quite.
: >
: > Teh ZX9 dynoes at about 125hp.....the FZR is like 1 or 2 horsies below
: > that.
: > But that is in a static situation, where the ZX9's ram-air doesn't
: > come into play. At speed, the ZX9 will probably be making upwards of
: > 130hp.
: > In a straight line, all else being equal, the ZX-9 will smoke anything
: > except for a ZX-11.
:
: Mr. overload,
:
: could you please tell me where you are getting this data from?
: I'm not challenging you just curious. Do you know where one
: can get 1/4mile data? I know that both bikes have same dry
: weight (Kawi 2lbs more) and it seems to me that w/ 100 more cc's
: the FZR should winn on power/weight. Of course gearing, and
: carburation have a lot to do with this but if you could elaborate a little
: that'd be great.
Oh great. Now I have a real reason to go digging through my closet
and endanger myself through exposure without adequate ventilation to
toxic vapours that are teh byproduct of festering unlaundered
underwear to find my older motorbike rags.
Teh latest issue of Squid Rider magazine has an open-class shootout
between the ZX-9R, FZR1000, GSX-R1100, and CBR900RR.
Straight-line Top Speed 1/4-mile
------------- --------- --------
CBR900RR 160mph 10.56 @ 130.6mph
ZX-9R 168mph 10.40 @ 133.2mph
GSX-R1100 164mph 10.42 @ 129.9mph
FZR100 166mph 10.53 @ 131.7mph
Lap times Willow Springs Streets of Willow
--------- -------------- -----------------
CBR900RR 1:31.50 1:01.68
ZX-9R 1:30.41 1:00.97
GSX-R1100 1:31.50 1:01.72
FZR1000 1:30.92 1:01.90
Acceleration 0-30mph 0-60mph 0-100mph
------------ ------- ------- --------
CBR900RR 1.6 s 3.1 s 6.9 s
ZX-9R 1.4 s 3.2 s 6.6 s
GSX-R1100 1.5 s 3.0 s 7.1 s
FZR1000 1.6 s 3.1 s 6.7 s
Peak HP Peak Torque
------- -----------
CBR900RR 112.4 @ 10,500rpm 62.4 @ 8,000rpm
ZX-9R 121.2 @ 10,750rpm 64.9 @ 8,500rpm
GSX-R1100 125.6 @ 9,500rpm 74.8 @ 7,000rpm
FZR1000 122.9 @ 9,750rpm 70.9 @ 8,500rpm
Squid Rider acknowledged that even though the ZX-9R neither had the
highest torque nor highest HP, it still managed to beat everybody in
top speed and quarter-mile acceleration, which they attributed to the
ram-air system (which a dyno doesn't show).
Another thing that my reproduction of their data doesn't show are
their torque and HP plots. In their torque chart, they show the
GSX-R1100 as having about 10 ft-lbs more torque and about 10-20 more
HP from about 3,500rpm to 9,000rpm than any of the other bikes,
meaning that it has tremendous midrange, and their roll-on tests
reflected that. The GSX-R smoked all of the other bikes in rollons,
despite teh fact that at 554lbs wet, it was the heaviest bike in the
test.
As for final ratings, they rated the ZX-9R first, FZR1000 a close
second, and the CBR900RR and GSX-R1100 tying for third.
curti...@vnet.ibm.com
|> : A friend of mine is deciding between a 900rr, FZR1000, or ZX9r.
|> : (he's buying this week)
<-----snip----->
|> I would suggest the FZR, even though I'm partial to the
|> CBR myself. A friend had a 900RR and at 6'1" and 240, he found
|> himself too cramped. He traded to an FZR and hasn't looked back.
|> As far real world power, the bikes are pretty similar, so don't
|> bother dicing percentages. All are fun to ride, but the FZR is
|> the most solid of the bunch. Personally, I like the "riding on
|> the razor's edge" feel of the CBR - not unstable, just very, very
|> responsive. I tended to fatigue quickly on the ZX-9, not as fast
|> on the CBR, and hardly at all on the FZR.
|>
|>
|> Matt
|> '93 CBR 900RR
Finally, someone who isn't ripping on the 900RR. It amazes me to read these
threads on see people who own 600cc bikes taut their almighty knowledge about
which bike is the best. Great...read all the comparison articles in the mags,
then pick out one that fits your already-existing opinion. I think you've got
to get on the bikes and ride them. I've ridden the ZX-9R, the GSX-R1100, and
own a 900RR (bought it AFTER riding them all)...I agree with Matt's opinion
on the handling. If you need a heavy bike with a long wheelbase to be able to
control the power of an open class bike, maybe you shouldn't be on one.
(just my $.02 - good thing we've all got opinions,
because without them this group would be boring...)
Curt Witt (my opinions are most definately not those of IBM...)
Query Development II
IBM Corporation
Rochester, MN
John Kershaw
Overload) writes:
...bunch of previous thread stuff snipped...
>Oh great. Now I have a real reason to go digging through my closet
>and endanger myself through exposure without adequate ventilation to
>toxic vapours that are teh byproduct of festering unlaundered
>underwear to find my older motorbike rags.
>Teh latest issue of Squid Rider magazine has an open-class shootout
>between the ZX-9R, FZR1000, GSX-R1100, and CBR900RR.
...performance data snipped...
>Squid Rider acknowledged that even though the ZX-9R neither had the
>highest torque nor highest HP, it still managed to beat everybody in
>top speed and quarter-mile acceleration, which they attributed to the
>ram-air system (which a dyno doesn't show).
>Another thing that my reproduction of their data doesn't show are
>their torque and HP plots. In their torque chart, they show the
>GSX-R1100 as having about 10 ft-lbs more torque and about 10-20 more
>HP from about 3,500rpm to 9,000rpm than any of the other bikes,
>meaning that it has tremendous midrange, and their roll-on tests
>reflected that. The GSX-R smoked all of the other bikes in rollons,
>despite teh fact that at 554lbs wet, it was the heaviest bike in the
>test.
>As for final ratings, they rated the ZX-9R first, FZR1000 a close
>second, and the CBR900RR and GSX-R1100 tying for third.
Fast Bikes, July 1994 article titled: 'Heavy Weight Sportsters', a comparo
of the ZX11,ZX9R,GSXR1100,RF900,FZR1000,Triumph Super III,said the
following after a flogging of the aforementioned: 'Who would've believed
that two Suzukis would come out top in this company? But that's what
happens when you test things properly - you uncover the truth. As track
bikes, there's little doubt that there's two distinct divisions operating
here, the first comprising the GSXR1100, EXUP (FZR1000) and RF900 and the
second the Kawasaki ZX-9R, the ZZR1100 (ZX11) and the Triumph. Of the
first, the big Suzy nicks it by virtue of its extra power on exit with
little to separate the RF900 and EXUP."
These were British 'restricted' machines, ie with a 125hp limit as opposed
to the normal Euro full bore types. In other words, a lot like the 49 state
US models etc. For a long time, these guys have slagged the GSXRs horribly
(and probably quite deservedly, given the weight gain etc), so this article
was a real shocker. Before anyone writes back with a variation on
'BULLSHIT, my ZX9R can clean the road up on your GSXR' etc etc, don't
bother. Their are people I ride with that can clean my clock with their 650
Hawks and whose clocks I clean on their CBR900's and so on. The ex and
current roadracers would blow the lot of us posers away on my wife's GS500.
What I take exception to, having read Motorcyclist for years and Sport
Rider since its inception, is their unswerving loyalty to the latest new
bike. For years the FZR1000 was the ultimate road carving machine. Then the
CBR900RR came along and the FZR1000 suddenly was junk and the CBR900 was
the ultimate road carving machine. Then the ZX9R came along and suddenly
the CBR900 was too twitchy, too nervous, uncomfortable blah blah blah and
the ZX9R was the ultimate road carving machine. This after reading Ienatsch
et al rave about how the CBR900 was what they had been asking for for
years. Give me a f*&king break ! Now that they have tested the Ducati 916,
is the ZX9R too heavy, too ponderous etc etc??? To try to determine what
they REALLY think, you pretty much have to ignore their latest Christmas
toy articles and read all the others.
The ZX9R is a beautiful bike, but it no more dethrones the CBR900RRRRR than
the CBR does the FZR. If you leaf through enough of the bike mags, not just
USA, you will find every one of these machines at the top of the heap and
at the bottom, so consistency and objectivity seem no more extant in the
motorcycle biz than anywhere else.
Do people actually buy based on NOTHING but bike mag articles???
----- John Kershaw, GSXR1100wp, BeeCee Beemers
John Kershaw
daug...@studentpo.emba.uvm.edu (Tim Daugherty) writes:
>Has anyone read performance bikes recently. There 900 test absolutely
>ripped the ZX9. They absolutely love CBRs over there or what. Personally
>I'd take the CBR, but what gives? Is the bike that different in euro-spec
>or what?
No, not that much, just a couple of horsepower, but remember, the same
applies to the ZX9R. So far, only the US magazines have gone gaga apeshit
over the ZX9R to the 'detriment' of all the others. While its no doubt a
shit hot bike, as inferred in a previous post, it surely isn't the cure for
AIDS that Motorcyclist et al would have you believe.
Tim Daugherty
ripped the ZX9. They absolutely love CBRs over there or what. Personally
I'd take the CBR, but what gives? Is the bike that different in euro-spec
or what?
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\ Full Time Skier 86 GSXR750 (hopefully)
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: A few bike mags in the UK (Fast Bikes comes to mind) have criticised
: the ZX-9's handling *VERY* severely. In one comparison test a very
: experienced test rider was not prepared to push the ZX-9 to the limit
: because of this problem... (unusual for one of the nutters who tests for
: fast bikes!)
Repaired on the new '95 model, along with the crap gearbox.
Andrew.
Sanjay Singh
near its limits. So what is the point talking about the limits? Talk about
their looks, feel, sound etc. - things that you will notice every day. For
my part, I like the sound of the Ninjas. Ninjas have a thick growling kind
of note which is very pleasing to my ears. I do not like the sound of the CBR
900RR - they sound industrial. But CBR looks cool - there is no doubt about it.
-sanjay
In article <1995Apr18....@emba.uvm.edu>, daug...@studentpo.emba.uvm.edu (Tim Daugherty) writes:
Ron Brabander
> ----- John Kershaw, GSXR1100wp, BeeCee Beemers
Mr. Kershaw, your posts have been EXCELLENT reading,
one right after another. Checking this newsgroup daily,
sometimes I have a hard time finding interesting replies
to read-yours are good stuff. More please.
P.S. ZX-11s rule-er-because thats what I own, ahem.
Russell Brown
>Has anyone read performance bikes recently. There 900 test absolutely
>ripped the ZX9. They absolutely love CBRs over there or what. Personally
>I'd take the CBR, but what gives? Is the bike that different in euro-spec
>or what?
and last year, Performance bikes said (in a ZX9R/CBR900RR test) that the
ZX9 would 'see off' the fireblade on just about any road; a comment
that Fast Bikes then took as a challenge!
I think what we're seeing here chaps is that modern bikes are so good that
the poor old journos are just scraping the barrel trying to find something
to make an issue out of. Read enough mags and you can find an article to
support just about any view you want.
All this track testing is hardly relevant to *our* normal use anyway. You
*can't* ride a bike on the roads as you do on a track (well you can try
but evolution, normally disguised as a volvo, will rear it's
uncompromising head pretty quickly).
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->
->Everybody praises the FZR1000, to the extent that although everybody knows
->the Fireblade (CBR900RR) is the fastest on a nice smooth track, they pretty
->clearly give the FZR1000 a better rating on normal roads. Whilst it isn't
->the newest, most fashionable bike there are very very few people who are
->brave enough to push it to its limits...
I have no experience with the ZX9 but have owned both the FZR and RR.
IMO, the RR is going to be faster on a smooth road or racetrack. And
unless you're pushing its limits (unlikely), the reported front end
problems won't bother you much. On the other hand, the FZR is a better
bike for long distance riding on bumpier roads. Yamaha has done a super
job with the suspension. On the racetrack it will be harder to toss
around and you'll definitely feel the extra 70lbs. If you want the best
of both worlds, do what I'm doing....stuff a 1000 FZR motor in the YFZ
chassis.
Terry
Robert B. McGehee
Pick up the most recent Sport Rider, it has a comparo on the big guns.
1. Kawasaki
2. Yamaha
3. Suzuki
4. Honda
Robert B. McGehee
>could you please tell me where you are getting this data from?
> I'm not challenging you just curious. Do you know where one
> can get 1/4mile data? I know that both bikes have same dry
>weight (Kawi 2lbs more) and it seems to me that w/ 100 more cc's
>the FZR should winn on power/weight. Of course gearing, and
>carburation have a lot to do with this but if you could elaborate a little
>that'd be great.
>
>
>
>
>
>Maziar Namvar
>'90 FZR600
>
more than the ZX-9R. It also has all the specs on track times, strait
line speeds and so on.
Rob
'94 ZX-6E
John Kershaw
writes:
All financial donations gratefully accepted. Much more time available to
write due to corporate downsizing! However, my wife bought me some
insurance when she covered hers last weekend, so will be (hopefully) riding
more than talking about it :-)
kevinh
The test was done in '95 so I assume they used the '95 model..??
Kevin.
yournamehere
>
>I am sure not many of us will be driving any of these bikes to anywhere
>near its limits. So what is the point talking about the limits? Talk about
>their looks, feel, sound etc. - things that you will notice every day. For
>my part, I like the sound of the Ninjas. Ninjas have a thick growling kind
>of note which is very pleasing to my ears. I do not like the sound of the CBR
>900RR - they sound industrial. But CBR looks cool - there is no doubt about it.
>-sanjay
>
>> Has anyone read performance bikes recently. There 900 test absolutely
>> ripped the ZX9. They absolutely love CBRs over there or what. Personally
>> I'd take the CBR, but what gives? Is the bike that different in euro-spec
>> or what?
>>
>> \ Tim Daugherty 81 CB550 (hell on wheels)
>> \ UVM 89 CR250 (headshake? nah)
>> \ Full Time Skier 86 GSXR750 (hopefully)
>> \ Part Time Student 84 CJ-7 (Gods gift to mankind)
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If you spend $9000$ on a bike what are you gonna do putz around and impress
the girls with your wheelies are are you a real man who scrapes the pegs and
actually use all that tach?
Mike Owens
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Kevin.
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Hi folks,
I have got a ZXR750, am a Kawasaki bigot and have been looking at the ZX9 for a while. It has had some nasty comments made about
its handling when pushed hard at extreme lean angles/extreme power etc.
One of the bike magazines discovered that the engine sprocket of the ZX9 is higher than the swing-arm pivot point and wheel
bearing. This has the effect of levering the back wheel off the road when power is applied... If this is true then it does pose som
e concerns that it would be very difficult to improve the handling of the ZX9 i.e. the usual technique of throwing away the naff
Kawasaki shock & UniTrak linkage wont work in this case.
As far as I know, most bikes have the engine sprocket below the swing-arm pivot thus holding the back wheel more firmly on the road
when the power is put on.
Any other comments anybody ??
Mike the Bike
Pilot of a rabid, mutant ZXR750H1
SEAH KUAN WAI
: I am sure not many of us will be driving any of these bikes to anywhere
: near its limits. So what is the point talking about the limits? Talk about
: their looks, feel, sound etc. - things that you will notice every day. For
: my part, I like the sound of the Ninjas. Ninjas have a thick growling kind
Precisely.
I wonder how many of us actually go pass 100mph for sustained periods of
time everyday.....overtaking does not count.
Seah Kuan Wai,
Bandit 2220.
Jason W. Nyberg
/I have no experience with the ZX9 but have owned both the FZR and RR.
/IMO, the RR is going to be faster on a smooth road or racetrack. And
/unless you're pushing its limits (unlikely), the reported front end
/problems won't bother you much. On the other hand, the FZR is a better
/bike for long distance riding on bumpier roads. Yamaha has done a super
/job with the suspension. On the racetrack it will be harder to toss
/around and you'll definitely feel the extra 70lbs. If you want the best
/of both worlds, do what I'm doing....stuff a 1000 FZR motor in the YFZ
/chassis.
Won't that eliminate the FZR's suspension that you like so much? Or are
they that similar...
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Jason Nyberg (nyb...@ctron.com) My thoughts, my opinions.
Cabletron Systems, Inc. Merrimack NH
On the surface, in the air, under water, I'll be there!
Adam Hebblewhite
I don't do it on the way to work, as it's only 2.5 miles and a 30mph
speed limit all the way.
On the weekends, and in the evenings that I visit my SO - yeah,
regularly, on two-way A roads. It's too risky (revenue collection
agents and cameras) on the dual carriageway, but once I'm out on the
open road (I *mean* open - no villages, houses, side turns etc), I don't
look at the speedo, just the rev counter and the road. And as for my
recent trip to Le Mans...
Adam
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Roserunner
Speak for yourself, buddy :-)
>>I wonder how many of us actually go pass 100mph for sustained periods of
>>time everyday
That's like saying it doesn't matter what your lover looks like, because
she's usually all covered up in cloths.
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The Net, which will bring someone out of the woodwork with a flamethrower.
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Reckitt & Colman UK
> I don't do it on the way to work, as it's only 2.5 miles and a 30mph
> speed limit all the way.
>
> On the weekends, and in the evenings that I visit my SO - yeah,
> regularly, on two-way A roads. It's too risky (revenue collection
> agents and cameras) on the dual carriageway, but once I'm out on the
> open road (I *mean* open - no villages, houses, side turns etc), I don't
> look at the speedo, just the rev counter and the road. And as for my
> recent trip to Le Mans...
>
> Adam
So where in the UK do you find open roads with no villages, houses, side
turns etc? Donnington Park?
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