Honest Harley-Davidson Owner

[T0m $herman]

Nice to see one for once not squirm, duck, and make up ridiculous reason
for why a H-D is designed as it is, and/or make silly claims of superiority.

<http://rideapart.com/2013/05/why-i-ride-a-slow-uncomfortable-unreliable-noisy-motorcycle/>

--
T0m $herm@n

[CS]

"T0m $herman" wrote in message news:koh2b1$pdl$1...@dont-email.me...

Nice to see one for once not squirm, duck, and make up ridiculous reason
for why a H-D is designed as it is, and/or make silly claims of superiority.

<http://rideapart.com/2013/05/why-i-ride-a-slow-uncomfortable-unreliable-noisy-motorcycle/>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I guess the only important thing is:

"For everything that irritates me about my bike it always without fail makes
me smile every single time I get on it. "

CS

[Terry Coombs]

"CS" <dont...@sears.com> wrote in message
news:ILGdnQwcoYBCuDHM...@supernews.com...

You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
well .
--
Snag

[High Plains Thumper]

Terry Coombs wrote:

> You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
> FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
> touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
> well .

Not sure what would prompt one to criticize another's ride or brand. If
one doesn't like it, they are free to use something else.

--
HPT
George Hostler
1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage
1971 Honda CB100

[T0m $herman]

I am not anti-Harley-Davidson. I am anti-idiotic-Harley-Davidson cult
followers. And it is fun to poke them with a stick, and listen to them
whine about being treated as they treat others. :)

--
T0m $herm@n

[Twibil]

On Jun 3, 8:09 pm, "T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net>
wrote:

> On 6/3/2013 7:56 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > "CS" <donts...@sears.com> wrote in message
> >news:ILGdnQwcoYBCuDHM...@supernews.com...
> >> "T0m $herman"  wrote in messagenews:koh2b1$pdl$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> >> Nice to see one for once not squirm, duck, and make up ridiculous reason
> >> for why a H-D is designed as it is, and/or make silly claims of
> >> superiority.
>

> >> <http://rideapart.com/2013/05/why-i-ride-a-slow-uncomfortable-unreliab...>

>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> >> I guess the only important thing is:
>
> >> "For everything that irritates me about my bike it always without fail
> >> makes me smile every single time I get on it. "
>
> >> CS
>
> >    You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
> > FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
> > touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
> > well .
>
> I am not anti-Harley-Davidson.  I am anti-idiotic-Harley-Davidson cult
> followers.  And it is fun to poke them with a stick, and listen to them
> whine about being treated as they treat others. :)

Ah, I see.

So that would be the same as your constant whining
about how you're treated on Reeky: I.E. the same way
you treat others.

How interesting!

[tomorrow]

What it is, is hypocritical. Tom has never cited (because there is
nothing to cite) a single example of the supposed pro-Harley bias, or
any evidence of "cult"-like Harley-Davidson enthusiasm in this NG.
He cites unsubstantiated poor treatment that he claims to have
suffered at the hands of Harley-Davidson owners outside the NG, and I
doubt the veracity of those reports.

What really burns Tom up is that there are a number of people in here
who not only have owned more motorcycles, more brands, ridden more
miles, for more years, than he, and who like ALL motorcycles, and
cheerfully share the enthusiasm that others have for THEIR particular
choice of motorcycle, but who also own and like riding Harleys. The
reality of it conflicts with his neat little construct of the world
wherein he's figured out what's important about motorcycles, and who
the "bad guys" are; not just for himself, but for EVERYONE, and he
can't deal with the cognitive dissonance in his own noggin.

That's why he constantly claims to <plonk> any and every one who
disagrees with him.

[Twibil]

On Jun 4, 4:00 am, tomorrow <s4rsri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What it is, is hypocritical.  Tom has never cited (because there is
> nothing to cite) a single example of the supposed pro-Harley bias, or
> any evidence of "cult"-like Harley-Davidson enthusiasm in this NG.
> He cites unsubstantiated poor treatment that he claims to have
> suffered at the hands of Harley-Davidson owners outside the NG, and I
> doubt the veracity of those reports.
>
> What really burns Tom up is that there are a number of people in here
> who not only have owned more motorcycles, more brands, ridden more
> miles, for more years, than he, and who like ALL motorcycles, and
> cheerfully share the enthusiasm that others have for THEIR particular
> choice of motorcycle, but who also own and like riding Harleys.  The
> reality of it conflicts with his neat little construct of the world
> wherein he's figured out what's important about motorcycles, and who
> the "bad guys" are; not just for himself, but for EVERYONE, and he
> can't deal with the cognitive dissonance in his own noggin.
>
> That's why he constantly claims to <plonk> any and every one who
> disagrees with him.

Insert 30 seconds of polite applause.

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt".

-Stuart Smalley

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

If you guys would just loose this jealousy and sour grapes
attitude of yours, I'm sure you could eventually win the
approval of Mr. Sherman and perhaps even H3, Krusty, etc.

Never too late to repent and admit the error of your ways.

[Twibil]

On Jun 4, 6:11 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you guys would just loose this jealousy and sour grapes
> attitude of yours, I'm sure you could eventually win the
> approval of Mr. Sherman and perhaps even H3, Krusty, etc.

Oh, there are various of us who loose our jealousy -not
to mention our tongues- on $er $herman quite regularly.

He's just such a tempting target...

> Never too late to repent and admit the error of your ways.

Never too late to admit your verbal hiccups. ;) "Loose" in
this context means "to release upon".

"To lose" would be to misplace or get rid of, and "the loser"
would be $$ himself.

[Ben Kaufman]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:02:03 -0600, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Terry Coombs wrote:
>
>> You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
>> FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
>> touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
>> well .
>
>Not sure what would prompt one to criticize another's ride or brand. If
>one doesn't like it, they are free to use something else.

As long as they have a half decent muffler and aren't spilling oil all over the
road, enjoy.

[Vito00]

"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote

| As long as they have a half decent muffler and aren't spilling oil all
over the
| road, enjoy.
|

C'mon Ben, Harleys quit "spilling oil" decades ago when they deleted their
automatic chain oilers. FWIW the big noisemakers here (Space Coast) are
little Honda sedans with loud pipes.

[Ben Kaufman]

Hi Vito, I wasn't singling out Harleys, I was replying to HPT's comment about
any brand.


Ben

[High Plains Thumper]

Vito00 wrote:
> "Ben Kaufman" wrote

>
>> As long as they have a half decent muffler and aren't spilling oil
>> all over the road, enjoy.
>
> C'mon Ben, Harleys quit "spilling oil" decades ago when they deleted
> their automatic chain oilers. FWIW the big noisemakers here (Space
> Coast) are little Honda sedans with loud pipes.

But automatic chain oilers have their advantages. ;)

The engine oil leak issue used to be true for many an automobile and
bikes, too. The older sealants and gasketing materials were not near as
good as the modern ones. I used to remember oil slicks in the lane
center near every stop sign and intersection stop line. Many a driveway
had similar issues. Nowadays you don't see that nearly as much.

[T0m $herman]

The loud pipes on Civics and such are highly annoying too, but their
popularity (at least here in the Upper Midwest) seems [1] to have waned
significantly over the last half decade [2]. On the other hand, the
pretend 1% MC member fad has yet to pass.

[1] No citation, just casual observation, which is why I used the
"seems" qualifier.
[2] Too hard to talk on a mobile phone over all the noise?

--
T0m $herm@n

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote

| The loud pipes on Civics and such are highly annoying too, but their
| popularity (at least here in the Upper Midwest) seems [1] to have waned
| significantly over the last half decade [2]. On the other hand, the
| pretend 1% MC member fad has yet to pass.
|

Again, I'm somewhat surprised. All the TV video's I see show rather clean
cut young men in leather vests sporting patches so clean that the 1% of my
day would have been ashamed of them and instead of the ratty old choppers
derived from police Harleys the new breed are on $20,000+ baggers ....
with loud pipes? But the "outlaw" fad will likely never pass entirely.
It is the nature of youth to annoy their elders and, sad to say, now we
are elder. FWIW my newest HD still has stock pipes.

[edit to send email]

In <d0Qst.7981$8A5....@fed17.iad>, on 06/08/13

I sometimes wonder... See a guy on an immaculate Harley wearing greasy
jeans. Did he use his jeans to polish the bike? And see ratty bikes with
immaculately clothed rider. Sometimes I see Harleys with high mileage that
are actually ridden. I see 10 year old Japanese bikes with 250 km on the
clock, but also with 150.00 on the clock. I get confused, bikers don't
seem to fit my sterotypes anymore. What is the world coming to?


Cheers, Bjorn.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
bjorn.r...@guzzi.demon.nl (Bjorn Rietdijk)
-----------------------------------------------------------

[Ronald O. Christian]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:02:03 -0600, High Plains Thumper
<h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Terry Coombs wrote:
>
>> You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
>> FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
>> touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
>> well .
>
>Not sure what would prompt one to criticize another's ride or brand. If
>one doesn't like it, they are free to use something else.

My guess: If you can't have one, you tend to concentrate on why you
don't want one.

Like Terry's, my bike has 60,000 miles on it, is comfortable,
reliable, and not obnoxiously loud. It's also a touring model, and
fills that roll perfectly. I was on it for 11 hours yesterday and had
a blast. We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike. I
waved. The people who are concerned about what someone else is
riding, don't really get it, I think. Perhaps they should find
another hobby.


Ron
-
2003 FLHTCUI "Noisy Glide"
http://www.christianfamilywebsite.com
http://www.ronaldchristian.com

[Ronald O. Christian]

The oil thing was a real issue in the eighties, long time solved. But
thanks for bringing that up again.

[High Plains Thumper]

Ronald O. Christian wrote:

> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Not sure what would prompt one to criticize another's ride or
>> brand. If one doesn't like it, they are free to use something
>> else.
>
> My guess: If you can't have one, you tend to concentrate on why you
> don't want one.
>
> Like Terry's, my bike has 60,000 miles on it, is comfortable,
> reliable, and not obnoxiously loud. It's also a touring model, and
> fills that roll perfectly. I was on it for 11 hours yesterday and
> had a blast. We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike.
> I waved. The people who are concerned about what someone else is
> riding, don't really get it, I think. Perhaps they should find
> another hobby.

True, Ron. To illustrate that, I went to a motorcycle meet at rural
Muleshoe, Texas not long ago. There were about 130 bikes, 100 that were
Harleys and the rest metrics and British.

No one there cared what someone else rode, they all had fun.

[The Older Gentleman]

Ronald O. Christian <ro...@europa.com> wrote:

> We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike.

Harleys overtaking something? Oh, a group of Wing Nuts.

Must have been a slow-off between the two groups ;-)


--
Honda CB400 Four CB125S Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS
BMW K1200RS Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GN250 TS250ER x3
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com

[Ronald O. Christian]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:51:42 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Ronald O. Christian <ro...@europa.com> wrote:
>
>> We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike.
>
>Harleys overtaking something? Oh, a group of Wing Nuts.
>
>Must have been a slow-off between the two groups ;-)

Actually they were going the other way...

[The Older Gentleman]

Ronald O. Christian <ro...@europa.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:51:42 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >Ronald O. Christian <ro...@europa.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike.
> >
> >Harleys overtaking something? Oh, a group of Wing Nuts.
> >
> >Must have been a slow-off between the two groups ;-)
>
> Actually they were going the other way...

Heh. OK!

[Vito00]

"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

| Harleys overtaking something? Oh, a group of Wing Nuts.
|
| Must have been a slow-off between the two groups ;-)
|

But why go fast unless racing? Just gets the ride over and back to the
telly sooner.

[T0m $herman]

On 6/8/2013 7:40 PM, edit to send email wrote:
> In <d0Qst.7981$8A5....@fed17.iad>, on 06/08/13
> at 08:28 PM, "Vito00" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> said:
>
>
>
>> "T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote
>> | The loud pipes on Civics and such are highly annoying too, but their
>> | popularity (at least here in the Upper Midwest) seems [1] to have waned
>> | significantly over the last half decade [2]. On the other hand, the
>> | pretend 1% MC member fad has yet to pass.
>> |
>> Again, I'm somewhat surprised. All the TV video's I see show rather
>> clean cut young men in leather vests sporting patches so clean that the
>> 1% of my day would have been ashamed of them and instead of the ratty
>> old choppers derived from police Harleys the new breed are on $20,000+
>> baggers .... with loud pipes? But the "outlaw" fad will likely never
>> pass entirely. It is the nature of youth to annoy their elders and, sad
>> to say, now we are elder. FWIW my newest HD still has stock pipes.
>

I did a SSTT class with a couple on a H-D Road King with stock pipes.
The RK had a noticeable low-frequency thrum, but nothing that would be
annoying to someone in a car or house 25 feet away.

If it was not already short on power*, I would be tempted to stuff the
stock exhaust system on my TW200 full of fiberglass batting, as even
riding around town earplugs are necessary (unlike my NHX110).

> I sometimes wonder... See a guy on an immaculate Harley wearing greasy
> jeans. Did he use his jeans to polish the bike? And see ratty bikes with
> immaculately clothed rider. Sometimes I see Harleys with high mileage that
> are actually ridden. I see 10 year old Japanese bikes with 250 km on the
> clock, but also with 150.00 on the clock. I get confused, bikers don't
> seem to fit my sterotypes anymore. What is the world coming to?

I almost never see either cruiser or sport-bike riders wearing proper
gear, but most adventure touring (AT) riders I observe are. Is the AT
crowd older and wiser, or is gear just an integral part of the AT look?

I must say I am tempted to rent a H-D cruiser for a weekend, and go
cruising the bar district while wearing my Hi-Viz yellow Roadcrafter and
full-face lid with furry cat ears. :)

*Anyone want to send me a TW250 cylinder and piston from Japan?

--
T0m $herm@n

[T0m $herman]

On 6/10/2013 10:07 AM, Ronald O. Christian wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:02:03 -0600, High Plains Thumper
> <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Terry Coombs wrote:
>>
>>> You have to remember that Tom $herman is The Anti-Harley . FWIW , my '90
>>> FLHTCU is neither obnoxiously loud nor is it uncomfortable . But then it's a
>>> touring bike and not a poser bike . And it does it's intended job very very
>>> well .
>>
>> Not sure what would prompt one to criticize another's ride or brand. If
>> one doesn't like it, they are free to use something else.
>
> My guess: If you can't have one, you tend to concentrate on why you
> don't want one.
>

This oft repeated false contention is tiresome. I could afford a H-D if
I wanted one*, but there is a very long list of bikes** with more appeal
to me. H-D styling (Topper and XR1200 excepted) does nothing for me
(same is true for other cruisers, as well as US automobiles from the
1930s to 1960s and Peterbilt trucks), and the uneven firing order brings
associations of poorly running engines misfiring.

> Like Terry's, my bike has 60,000 miles on it, is comfortable,
> reliable, and not obnoxiously loud. It's also a touring model, and
> fills that roll perfectly. I was on it for 11 hours yesterday and had
> a blast. We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike. I
> waved. The people who are concerned about what someone else is
> riding, don't really get it, I think. Perhaps they should find
> another hobby.
>

Of the people that do not wave back to me, almost all are on either
Harley-Davidson's or mopeds.

*The value of motorcycles in my garage at the moment is more than any
new, stock, non-CVO H-D.
**Sticking to currently (or soon to be) available new bikes, BMW G650GS
Sertao and F800GT, Honda CB500F, CB1000R, Forza 300i and Grom, Husqvarna
Terra, Kawasaki Ninja 300 and 650, KTM 390 and 690 Dukes, Kymco Downtown
300i, Moto Guzzi V7 Stone, Suzuki TU250X, Burgman 400 and DR-Z400SM,
Triumph Bonneville, and Yamaha WR250R would all come before any new
Harley-Davidson. I am sure I could think of a couple dozen more too.

--
T0m $herm@n

[T0m $herman]

On 6/10/2013 3:07 PM, Ronald O. Christian wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:51:42 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>> Ronald O. Christian <ro...@europa.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike.
>>
>> Harleys overtaking something? Oh, a group of Wing Nuts.
>>
>> Must have been a slow-off between the two groups ;-)
>
> Actually they were going the other way...
>

Gold Wings do have reverse, you know. ;)


--
T0m $herm@n

[Ronald O. Christian]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:37:22 -0500, "T0m $herman"
<twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
>Of the people that do not wave back to me, almost all are on either
>Harley-Davidson's or mopeds.

Maybe there's something of your character that's visibly apparent.

[T0m $herman]

On 6/11/2013 12:14 AM, Ronald O. Christian wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:37:22 -0500, "T0m $herman"
> <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
>> Of the people that do not wave back to me, almost all are on either
>> Harley-Davidson's or mopeds.
>
> Maybe there's something of your character that's visibly apparent.
>

At closing speeds of 80 to 150 mph? Not bloody likely. Unless the bike
puts them off, but from the comments I have received most likely mistake
it for a BMW. On the other hand, I do get more waves from cruiser
riders when I am on the TW200 than the NT700V (including a "hi mom" type
wave from a guy on an older MG California).

I have noticed that I get a lot more waves while riding the scooter at
dusk when it is harder to identify as a scooter than during the day.

--
T0m $herm@n

[The Older Gentleman]

Well, there's a difference between going fast and going unfeasibly
slowly.

[Twibil]

On Jun 10, 2:32 pm, "Vito00" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> But why go fast unless racing?

Uh, because it's fun?

> Just gets the ride over and back to the telly sooner.

Only if you're so dumb that you don't understand
that you can keep right on riding.

There's no rule that says you have to quit after a given
number of miles, you know.

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote

| I almost never see either cruiser or sport-bike riders wearing proper

| gear, ....

What is "proper gear? Were I going to do a few fast laps on asphault
that'd be full thick leathers, gloves and boots plus a full helmet ... and
don't forget the neck brace and back protector. Motocross demands
different protection. OTOH, should one want to feel the sun on one's back
and wind in one's hair during a nice put ... Well, you get the idea.

Whaddaya think of those who ride race-style bikes in race garb and call
others "posers"?

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote

| This oft repeated false contention is tiresome. I could afford a H-D if
| I wanted one*, but there is a very long list of bikes** with more appeal
| to me. H-D styling (Topper and XR1200 excepted) does nothing for me
| (same is true for other cruisers, as well as US automobiles from the
| 1930s to 1960s and Peterbilt trucks), and the uneven firing order brings
| associations of poorly running engines misfiring.
|
| > Like Terry's, my bike has 60,000 miles on it, is comfortable,
| > reliable, and not obnoxiously loud. It's also a touring model, and
| > fills that roll perfectly. I was on it for 11 hours yesterday and had
| > a blast. We passed a huge pack of Gold Wings, including a trike. I
| > waved. The people who are concerned about what someone else is
| > riding, don't really get it, I think. Perhaps they should find
| > another hobby.
| >
| Of the people that do not wave back to me, almost all are on either
| Harley-Davidson's or mopeds.
|
| *The value of motorcycles in my garage at the moment is more than any
| new, stock, non-CVO H-D.
|
| **Sticking to currently (or soon to be) available new bikes, BMW G650GS
| Sertao and F800GT, Honda CB500F, CB1000R, Forza 300i and Grom, Husqvarna
| Terra, Kawasaki Ninja 300 and 650, KTM 390 and 690 Dukes, Kymco Downtown
| 300i, Moto Guzzi V7 Stone, Suzuki TU250X, Burgman 400 and DR-Z400SM,
| Triumph Bonneville, and Yamaha WR250R would all come before any new
| Harley-Davidson. I am sure I could think of a couple dozen more too.
|

But can you afford them plus a Harley?

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote

| I have noticed that I get a lot more waves while riding the scooter at
| dusk when it is harder to identify as a scooter than during the day.
|

But Tom, why do you care? Are you out to enjoy your ride or are you in a
popularity contest.

There was a time (before yours) when it was quite difficult to own/ride a
motorcycle. For example, I had two chains. Friday nite I took one off,
washed it in solvent, boiled it in tranny grease and hung it up to dry
then installed the wet one. Hence, only hard core enthusiests rode.
Moreover, one depended on other riders help when (not if) one broke down.
So there was a lot more comraderie than among today's 'appliance bikers'.
If you saw another rider you knew you had a lot in common. That's no
longer true. So why wave? Do you wave at other cagers?

[Vito00]

"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

| Vito00 <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
|
| > But why go fast unless racing? Just gets the ride over and back to
the
| > telly sooner.
|
| Well, there's a difference between going fast and going unfeasibly
| slowly.
|

But, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder ... or in this case the
rider.

[The Older Gentleman]

Vito00 <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> tranny grease

Er, um, what...

Oh, never mind. Probably just my fertile imagination.

[davethedave]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:00:17 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Vito00 <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> tranny grease
>
> Er, um, what...
>
> Oh, never mind. Probably just my fertile imagination.

Errr... Actualy, It wasn't just you. I had a giggle about that too. I
think[1] it's a language thing.

[1]hope
--
davethedave

[krusty kritter]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:11:40 PM UTC-7, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

>If you guys would just loose this jealousy and sour grapes attitude of yours, I'm sure you could eventually win the approval of Mr. Sherman and perhaps even H3, Krusty, etc. Never too late to repent and admit the error of your ways.

You are sadly mistaken.

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

Sadly ?

[T0m $herman]

I would consider it if the start was a public apology for libel, straw
man attacks, and false accusations. But I will not hold my breath.

--
T0m $herm@n

[Twibil]

On Jun 12, 9:56 pm, "T0m $herman"

<twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
>
>
> >> If you guys would just loose this jealousy and sour grapes attitude of yours, I'm sure you could eventually win the approval of Mr. Sherman and perhaps even H3, Krusty, etc. Never too late to repent and admit the error of your ways.
>
> > You are sadly mistaken.
>
> I would consider it if the start was a public apology for libel, straw
> man attacks, and false accusations.  But I will not hold my breath.

Oh, but we'd enjoy it if you did.

A couple of hours ought to do it.

[Vito00]

"davethedave" <davedfo...@gmail.com> wrote

| The Older Gentleman wrote:
|
| > Vito00 <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
| >
| >> tranny grease
| >
| > Er, um, what...
| >
| > Oh, never mind. Probably just my fertile imagination.
|
| Errr... Actualy, It wasn't just you. I had a giggle about that too. I
| think[1] it's a language thing.
|

Please elaborate that we may share the laugh.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tranny" = UK slang for "Tranvestite" or "Transsexual".

[Twibil]

On Jun 13, 11:08 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older

Gentleman) wrote:
>
>
> > | >> tranny grease
> > | >
> > | > Er, um, what...
> > | >
> > | > Oh, never mind. Probably just my fertile imagination.
> > |
> > | Errr... Actualy, It wasn't just you. I had a giggle about that too. I
> > | think[1] it's a language thing.
> > |
> > Please elaborate that we may share the laugh.
>
> "Tranny" = UK slang for "Tranvestite" or "Transsexual".

It's common US slang as well.

[Bob Mann]

I prefer riding somewhat faster than Joe average but still like my Harley (at present, a 2012 modified Ultra Limited)
There is something visceral about the way they respond, feel etc. They handle well for a large machine. No they aren't sport bikes but they handle better than probably all the pretenders. This from personal experience and anecdotally from those who have owned both.
It's fast enough for me and I am quite capable of getting tickets on it as it is. Having a faster bike would not be worthwhile really as I am sure I would try, at some point, to use what it had.
It puts out around 100 lb-ft of torque and around 86 hp which should be enough for most riders. It has taken me around the south-east portion of the states and back without a hiccup.
I have also had the unpleasant reality of being stuck behind slower riders, not restricted to only Harley riders but usually. More likely because of the sheer number of them than any predilection for said riders to go slower than everyone else. In fact, two of the most aggressive riders I know have highly modified Dynas.
Most people that I have met tell me they would rather have a Harley than the current ride, 99% of them riding lookalikes, but they are not ready yet for one reason or another. I don't judge. In fact I don't judge anyone for what they ride because I could be almost as happy riding what they have instead of what I have. Sometimes I think I might someday go back to riding a BMW but I really don't care for the riding position.
And that brings me to why I ride what I ride.
It's well balanced, nimble enough, fast enough, reliable enough and comfortable enough to do the job I want it to do and as soon as this should heals up, I'll be back to riding it.

Have fun, enjoy what you have and be thankful you are able to do so.

Bob

[krusty kritter]

On Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:35:16 AM UTC-7, Twibil wrote:
> Oh, but we'd enjoy it if you did. A couple of hours ought to do it.

Name a newsgroup where you are still welcome, if you can, Poison Pete.

[Twibil]

On Jun 14, 2:38 pm, krusty kritter <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Name a newsgroup where you are still welcome, if you can, Poison Pete.

Still crazy enough to think that you can order other
people around, eh?

Some things never change.

[Vito00]

"Twibil" <noway...@gmail.com> wrote

The Older Gentleman) wrote:
> > | >> tranny grease
> > | >
> > | > Er, um, what...
> > | >
> > | > Oh, never mind. Probably just my fertile imagination.
> > |
> > | Errr... Actualy, It wasn't just you. I had a giggle about that too.
> > I
> > | think[1] it's a language thing.
> > |
> > Please elaborate that we may share the laugh.
>
> "Tranny" = UK slang for "Tranvestite" or "Transsexual".

It's common US slang as well.

-------------------------------------------------
I suppose it is in some quarters/cultures but to 'straights', tranny =
transmission.

[davethedave]

We understand what you mean but we still giggle. It's childish and
immature I know but The minute you say "Tranny grease" I think ... err...

I'm sure there are English-isms Americans laugh about too.

Share them! Go on! I dare you. :)
--
davethedave

[Twibil]

Atta boy!

Get caught with your vocabulary down around your
ankles and then try to pretend that literacy equates
to being gay.

Krusty would be so proud of you!

[Vito00]

"davethedave" <davedfo...@gmail.com> wrote

| We understand what you mean but we still giggle. It's childish and
| immature I know but The minute you say "Tranny grease" I think ...
err...
|
| I'm sure there are English-isms Americans laugh about too.
|
| Share them! Go on! I dare you. :)

Yes - definately worth a laugh.
I wrenched on Brit cars for a number of years and worked with quite a few
displaced Brits. There was a joke they loved to tell over and over
involving a Yank on a train, a matron and her dog. When the dog bit him
he tossed it out the window. The matron called the conductor (?) who
listened then chided the Yank for tossing the wrong bitch.
Best I can do ... have to wait for my next ... errr .... F- up. :-)

[T0m $herman]

The Australian high school exchange student who asked for a rubber when
she wanted a eraser.

--
T0m $herm@n

[The Older Gentleman]

T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

> The Australian high school exchange student who asked for a rubber when
> she wanted a eraser.

You are *utterly* unable to post anything remotely funny.

[davethedave]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:52:08 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
>
>> The Australian high school exchange student who asked for a rubber when
>> she wanted a eraser.
>
> You are *utterly* unable to post anything remotely funny.

It pains me despicably (REALLY DESPICABLY!)[1] but... In his defence he
was vaguely (Well.. Pretty directly actually.) requested to post this
kind of word mix up humour. Admittedly it's not one of the greatest gags
in the history of Anglo American confusion.

[1]It doesn't mean I don't still think he's a bit of a tool.
--
davethedave

[T0m $herman]

On 6/16/2013 6:08 PM, davethedave wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:52:08 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>> T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The Australian high school exchange student who asked for a rubber when
>>> she wanted a eraser.
>>
>> You are *utterly* unable to post anything remotely funny.
>
> It pains me despicably (REALLY DESPICABLY!)[1] but... In his defence he
> was vaguely (Well.. Pretty directly actually.) requested to post this
> kind of word mix up humour. Admittedly it's not one of the greatest gags
> in the history of Anglo American confusion.
>

It was a real event, not something I made up.

> [1]It doesn't mean I don't still think he's a bit of a tool.
>

Bugger off. <plonk>

--
T0m $herm@n

[The Older Gentleman]

T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

> It was a real event, not something I made up.

The British call erasers 'rubbers', as well, and have done for
who-knows-how-long, so generically, yes, it happens every day.

This particular one, though?

> Bugger off. <plonk>

Ho, ho, ho.

[T0m $herman]

On 6/14/2013 4:33 PM, Bob Mann wrote:
> Most people that I have met tell me they would rather have a Harley than the current ride[...]

I would rather have a purple and white Triumph Bonneville for a
retro-styled bike. Oh wait, I bought one this weekend (traded in the F4i).

--
T0m $herm@n

[tomorrow]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:59:02 PM UTC-4, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 4:33 PM, Bob Mann wrote: > Most people that I have met tell me they would rather have a Harley than the current ride[...] I would rather have a purple and white Triumph Bonneville for a retro-styled bike. Oh wait, I bought one this weekend (traded in the F4i). -- T0m $herm@n

That's a great opening move towards buying your first Harley, Tom. People (including yourself) will soon forget that you ever even owned a multi-cylinder Japanese sportbike, and will begin to associate you with a more upright, traditonal riding style.

Having owned a 1972 Triumph T100R Daytona, a 1971 Triumph TR6RV Tiger 650 5-speed, a 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple, and a 1999 Triumph 955i Speed Triple prior to embarking on the adventure of Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding Triumphs is a great experience; they are WONDERFUL bikes, and being British icons themselves, they will prepare you well for your eventual conversion to the "dark side" of owning an American icon, whether it be a Sportster, a Dyna, or a touring big twin.

Looking forward to you further westward-moving motorcycling adventures, Tom!

Tim

[TOG@Toil]

On Wednesday, 19 June 2013 13:01:54 UTC+1, tomorrow wrote:


> That's a great opening move towards buying your first Harley, Tom. People (including yourself) will soon forget that you ever even owned a multi-cylinder Japanese sportbike, and will begin to associate you with a more upright, traditonal riding style.
>
>
>
> Having owned a 1972 Triumph T100R Daytona, a 1971 Triumph TR6RV Tiger 650 5-speed, a 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple, and a 1999 Triumph 955i Speed Triple prior to embarking on the adventure of Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding Triumphs is a great experience; they are WONDERFUL bikes, and being British icons themselves, they will prepare you well for your eventual conversion to the "dark side" of owning an American icon, whether it be a Sportster, a Dyna, or a touring big twin.

Trouble is, the twins are really rather underwhelming. They suit boring people who want to maintain an image of modernity, or people whose rose-tinted specs make them think they really are the spiritual and physical heirs to the sporty old Trumpets of old.

They look nice, but they're bulky, not particularly light, and rather underpowered. I'd rather have an old Sixties Triumph, or one of the modern triples.

Hang on. I've got one. As you were.

[tomorrow]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:28:41 AM UTC-4, TOG@Toil wrote:

> Trouble is, the twins are really rather underwhelming. They suit boring
> people who want to maintain an image of modernity, or people whose
> rose-tinted specs make them think they really are the spiritual and
> physical heirs to the sporty old Trumpets of old. They look nice, but
> they're bulky, not particularly light, and rather underpowered.

As I believe I pointed out, Mr. Sherman's new purchase is a PERFECT prelude to his future purchase of a Harley!

[davethedave]

Is the dark side the part of the driveway where you park the old Brit
bikes?
--
davethedave

[The Older Gentleman]

Indeed you did, and indeed you were right.

I suppose we'll now be treated to endless tedious posts about how great
it is.

[tomorrow]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:21:26 PM UTC-4, davethedave wrote:

> Is the dark side the part of the driveway where you park the old Brit bikes?

Alas, they are no longer in my stable; but when they were, one culd tell that they were *not* museum pieces!

[davethedave]

But surely if an old Brit bike is not leaking oil the only logical
conclusion is that there is no oil left in it.
--
davethedave

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:28:41 AM UTC-7, TOG@Toil wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 June 2013 13:01:54 UTC+1, tomorrow wrote:

> > .... prior to embarking on the adventure of Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding Triumphs is a great experience;

> They suit boring people who want to maintain an image of modernity, or people whose rose-tinted specs make them think they really are the spiritual and physical heirs to the sporty old Trumpets of old.

> They look nice, but they're bulky, not particularly light, and rather underpowered.

And the same goes for their motorcycles.

[krusty kritter]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:48:07 PM UTC-7, Twibil wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:38 pm, krusty kritter <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Name a newsgroup where you are still welcome, if you can, Poison Pete. Still crazy enough to think that you can order other people around, eh? Some things never change.

IOW, you cannot name *any other newsgroup* where you are still welcome and respected.

[High Plains Thumper]

tomorrow wrote:

> T0m $herman wrote:
>> Bob Mann wrote:
>>
>>> Most people that I have met tell me they would rather have a
>>> Harley than the current ride [...]
>>
>> I would rather have a purple and white Triumph Bonneville for a
>> retro-styled bike. Oh wait, I bought one this weekend (traded in
>> the F4i).
>

> That's a great opening move towards buying your first Harley, Tom.
> People (including yourself) will soon forget that you ever even
> owned a multi-cylinder Japanese sportbike, and will begin to
> associate you with a more upright, traditonal riding style.
>
> Having owned a 1972 Triumph T100R Daytona, a 1971 Triumph TR6RV
> Tiger 650 5-speed, a 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple, and a 1999
> Triumph 955i Speed Triple prior to embarking on the adventure of
> Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding
> Triumphs is a great experience; they are WONDERFUL bikes, and being
> British icons themselves, they will prepare you well for your
> eventual conversion to the "dark side" of owning an American icon,
> whether it be a Sportster, a Dyna, or a touring big twin.
>
> Looking forward to you further westward-moving motorcycling
> adventures, Tom!

Talking about adventures, I finally made the move up to a tourer, a like
new low mileage 2001 Kawasaki Voyager. Rode in home on a 95 mile trek
through Texas Panhandle, through the worst windy weather. At 75 mph, it
was like riding in a convertible with the top down. Also nice that it
was showing 3/4 tank. On the Savage I was looking for gas shortly after
that.

It's not American iron, but has all the storage of a bagger with trunk
and a decent fairing. Riding home on cruise control (real CC not
throttle lock) was nice. Everything works, the only thing it lacks is
the new bike smell.

I thought at first it might be a little heavy for me, but it balances
well, is easy throttling, wide ratio 5 speed shifts comfortably. I did
some serious touring on the old Savage, but having to fill every 100
miles, running close to red line at highway speeds, having to top off
oil every other fill during hot weather, having to wear an iron butt
after 2 hours, got me thinking I needed more.

On the Savage it was fun though, rode 8 hours away to Chama, NM last
summer, spent several days there and back for 700 miles of riding.
During spring and summer 2012, rode on weekends between home and
construction site, 450 miles R/T. Visited Santa Rosa NM; Pampa,
Amarillo, Groom, Lubbock, Brownfield, all in Texas, all several hours away.

It was time to upgrade.

--
HPT
George Hostler
2001 Kawasaki ZG1200 Voyager XII
1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage
1971 Honda CB100

[T0m $herman]

On 6/21/2013 11:54 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:

> Talking about adventures, I finally made the move up to a tourer, a like
> new low mileage 2001 Kawasaki Voyager. Rode in home on a 95 mile trek
> through Texas Panhandle, through the worst windy weather. At 75 mph, it
> was like riding in a convertible with the top down. Also nice that it
> was showing 3/4 tank. On the Savage I was looking for gas shortly after
> that.
>

Unfortunately, fairings do not help in cross-winds, where riding for
extended periods heeled over is a bit tiresome, particularly in rain or
light hail.

> It's not American iron, but has all the storage of a bagger with trunk
> and a decent fairing. Riding home on cruise control (real CC not
> throttle lock) was nice. Everything works, the only thing it lacks is
> the new bike smell.
>

"If you love to pile up miles, look no further than the Kawasaki
Voyager® XII. Naturally, you want full-dress luxury and convenience. But
thanks to the narrow in-line four configuration, the engine is
positioned more forward for superior handling and improved rider
comfort. Plus, you can load it up with all the essentials to make your
touring experience a true comfort." ;)

<http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2001models/2001models-Kawasaki-Voyager%20XII.htm>

> I thought at first it might be a little heavy for me, but it balances
> well, is easy throttling, wide ratio 5 speed shifts comfortably. I did
> some serious touring on the old Savage, but having to fill every 100
> miles, running close to red line at highway speeds, having to top off
> oil every other fill during hot weather, having to wear an iron butt
> after 2 hours, got me thinking I needed more.
>

Sounds similar to riding an older design thumper or tiddler dual-sport.

> On the Savage it was fun though, rode 8 hours away to Chama, NM last
> summer, spent several days there and back for 700 miles of riding.
> During spring and summer 2012, rode on weekends between home and
> construction site, 450 miles R/T. Visited Santa Rosa NM; Pampa,
> Amarillo, Groom, Lubbock, Brownfield, all in Texas, all several hours away.
>
> It was time to upgrade.
>

Sometimes "downgrading" can work too. I am having a lot more fun riding
the Ninjette I picked up with the Bonnie than the F4i - the more upright
riding position works much better on the street, I can run it through
the gears without getting into go to jail territory, and the lower
rotating and overall weights along with the 16-inch wheels make a
supersport feel truckish by comparison.

--
T0m $herm@n

[High Plains Thumper]

T0m $herman wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Talking about adventures, I finally made the move up to a tourer, a
>> like new low mileage 2001 Kawasaki Voyager. Rode in home on a 95
>> mile trek through Texas Panhandle, through the worst windy weather.
>> At 75 mph, it was like riding in a convertible with the top down.
>> Also nice that it was showing 3/4 tank. On the Savage I was looking
>> for gas shortly after that.
>>
> Unfortunately, fairings do not help in cross-winds, where riding for
> extended periods heeled over is a bit tiresome, particularly in rain
> or light hail.

The fairing is connected to the frame, not the steering fork. I was
riding in a 30 mph cross breeze with gusts to 50 mph. I missed a
thunderstorm by a half hour (road was wet). There were no
controllability issues on this two hour ride through rural Texas.

>> I thought at first it might be a little heavy for me, but it
>> balances well, is easy throttling, wide ratio 5 speed shifts
>> comfortably. I did some serious touring on the old Savage, but
>> having to fill every 100 miles, running close to red line at
>> highway speeds, having to top off oil every other fill during hot
>> weather, having to wear an iron butt after 2 hours, got me thinking
>> I needed more.
>
> Sounds similar to riding an older design thumper or tiddler
> dual-sport.

Since it is totally air cooled it is basically like an older design
thumper, except it has 4 valves, an updated combustion chamber with
electronic ignition, which accounts for its spirited performance (can
keep up with the bigger bikes on rides).

>> On the Savage it was fun though, rode 8 hours away to Chama, NM
>> last summer, spent several days there and back for 700 miles of
>> riding. During spring and summer 2012, rode on weekends between
>> home and construction site, 450 miles R/T. Visited Santa Rosa NM;
>> Pampa, Amarillo, Groom, Lubbock, Brownfield, all in Texas, all
>> several hours away.
>>
>> It was time to upgrade.
>
> Sometimes "downgrading" can work too. I am having a lot more fun
> riding the Ninjette I picked up with the Bonnie than the F4i - the
> more upright riding position works much better on the street, I can
> run it through the gears without getting into go to jail territory,
> and the lower rotating and overall weights along with the 16-inch
> wheels make a supersport feel truckish by comparison.

For distance riding, the Savage is the bare minimum. I would gain
nothing by downgrading. What's the longest ride you have taken?

[The Older Gentleman]

High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Unfortunately, fairings do not help in cross-winds, where riding for
> > extended periods heeled over is a bit tiresome, particularly in rain
> > or light hail.
>
> The fairing is connected to the frame, not the steering fork.

Isn't it *wonderful* how he gets it wrong so often?


--
Street Triple 800SS XT660 Tenere
CB400F TS250 x3 GN250 CB125S
chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
Have you tried switching it off and on again?

[T0m $herman]

On 6/22/2013 8:23 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> T0m $herman wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Talking about adventures, I finally made the move up to a tourer, a
>>> like new low mileage 2001 Kawasaki Voyager. Rode in home on a 95
>>> mile trek through Texas Panhandle, through the worst windy weather.
>>> At 75 mph, it was like riding in a convertible with the top down.
>>> Also nice that it was showing 3/4 tank. On the Savage I was looking
>>> for gas shortly after that.
>>>
>> Unfortunately, fairings do not help in cross-winds, where riding for
>> extended periods heeled over is a bit tiresome, particularly in rain
>> or light hail.
>
> The fairing is connected to the frame, not the steering fork. I was
> riding in a 30 mph cross breeze with gusts to 50 mph. I missed a
> thunderstorm by a half hour (road was wet). There were no
> controllability issues on this two hour ride through rural Texas.
>

Comfort is the issue, not control. A fairing does nothing to protect
you from exposure to rain, hail, cold, etc produced by a strong cross-wind.

>>> I thought at first it might be a little heavy for me, but it
>>> balances well, is easy throttling, wide ratio 5 speed shifts
>>> comfortably. I did some serious touring on the old Savage, but
>>> having to fill every 100 miles, running close to red line at
>>> highway speeds, having to top off oil every other fill during hot
>>> weather, having to wear an iron butt after 2 hours, got me thinking
>>> I needed more.
>>
>> Sounds similar to riding an older design thumper or tiddler
>> dual-sport.
>
> Since it is totally air cooled it is basically like an older design
> thumper, except it has 4 valves, an updated combustion chamber with
> electronic ignition, which accounts for its spirited performance (can
> keep up with the bigger bikes on rides).
>

The thumper I am tempted by is the Husqvarna Terra, but with Stefan
Pierer talking about dumping the Husqy road bikes, there would be little
aftermarket support if that happens. But the Terra (along with the BMW
G650GS which shares the same engine with some variations between the
two) gets much better mileage and produces much more power than the
"metric" dual sports which use 20+ year old engine designs.

>>> On the Savage it was fun though, rode 8 hours away to Chama, NM
>>> last summer, spent several days there and back for 700 miles of
>>> riding. During spring and summer 2012, rode on weekends between
>>> home and construction site, 450 miles R/T. Visited Santa Rosa NM;
>>> Pampa, Amarillo, Groom, Lubbock, Brownfield, all in Texas, all
>>> several hours away.
>>>
>>> It was time to upgrade.
>>
>> Sometimes "downgrading" can work too. I am having a lot more fun
>> riding the Ninjette I picked up with the Bonnie than the F4i - the
>> more upright riding position works much better on the street, I can
>> run it through the gears without getting into go to jail territory,
>> and the lower rotating and overall weights along with the 16-inch
>> wheels make a supersport feel truckish by comparison.
>
> For distance riding, the Savage is the bare minimum. I would gain
> nothing by downgrading. What's the longest ride you have taken?
>

I would consider ~20 HP at the rear wheel (e.g. Honda CRF250L) the
minimum for freeway distance riding. Less is fine for secondary roads.

Longest rides:
- Honda Dullsville: 600 miles in one day in freezing weather, and 450
miles plus a full day riding class in 80-95°F weather.
- Honda Elite 110: 210 miles in under five hours total time. Was WFO at
~50 mph much of the time, and still managed over 85 mpg.
- RANS Tailwind: 128 miles in 8 hours total time (OK, that one is pedal
powered). :)

The Bonnie and Ninjette have only been licensed for road use since
Monday, so no long rides yet. Got an Airhawk seat cushion, so I may do
a long ride on the Yammie TW200, sticking to farm-to-market (including
dirt Level B) roads as much as possible. I have also seen a claim that
one can ride from Dubuque, Iowa to Superior, Wisconsin mostly off-road,
so if true I might do that some day.

No desire for anything bigger than the Dullsville. If I was replacing
it, I would consider the ~$4K premium for a BMW F800GT, since it is
significantly lighter. Size does matter, and bigger is *not* better in
most cases.

--
T0m $herm@n

[sleazy]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

> I would consider ~20 HP at the rear wheel (e.g. Honda CRF250L) the
> minimum for freeway distance riding. Less is fine for secondary roads.
>
> Longest rides:
> - Honda Dullsville: 600 miles in one day in freezing weather, and 450
> miles plus a full day riding class in 80-95°F weather.
> - Honda Elite 110: 210 miles in under five hours total time. Was WFO at
> ~50 mph much of the time, and still managed over 85 mpg.
> - RANS Tailwind: 128 miles in 8 hours total time (OK, that one is pedal powered). :)
>
> The Bonnie and Ninjette have only been licensed for road use since
> Monday, so no long rides yet. Got an Airhawk seat cushion, so I may do a
> long ride on the Yammie TW200, sticking to farm-to-market (including dirt
> Level B) roads as much as possible. I have also seen a claim that one
> can ride from Dubuque, Iowa to Superior, Wisconsin mostly off-road, so if
> true I might do that some day.
>
> No desire for anything bigger than the Dullsville. If I was replacing
> it, I would consider the ~$4K premium for a BMW F800GT, since it is
> significantly lighter. Size does matter, and bigger is *not* better in most cases.

Iow, you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about again. But, no one
in this group has ever gone cross country or toured on a big touring bike.
/head slap

Or a smaller thumper.

Or a sport bike.

Or a UJM standard.

Stupid git.

--
sleazy

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

sleazy wrote:

> "T0m ¢herman" wrote:
>> Longest rides:
>> - Honda Dullsville: 600 miles in one day in freezing weather, and 450
>> miles plus a full day riding class in 80-95°F weather.
>> - Honda Elite 110: 210 miles in under five hours total time. Was WFO
>> at ~50 mph much of the time, and still managed over 85 mpg.

<delete pedalbike/>

>
> Iow, you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about again. But, no
> one in this group has ever gone cross country or toured on a big touring
> bike. /head slap
>
> Or a smaller thumper.
>
> Or a sport bike.
>
> Or a UJM standard.
>
> Stupid git.

IAWTP. When it comes to "longest rides" I might re-look at a ¢herman post
when he says he has ridden back-to-back thousand mile days or better...

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

[The Older Gentleman]

T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

> A fairing does nothing to protect
> you from exposure to rain, hail, cold, etc produced by a strong cross-wind.

Yes.

It.

Does.

[Twibil]

On Friday, June 21, 2013 3:43:11 PM UTC-7, krusty kritter wrote:
>
>
> IOW, you cannot name *any other newsgroup* where you are still welcome and respected.

Of course I can, pussylips. But why would anyone in their right mind do anything you told them to do?

It's much more fun watching you fume and fuss and troll you little heart out.

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> T0m $herman wrote:
>
>> A fairing does nothing to protect you from exposure to rain, hail,
>> cold, etc produced by a strong cross-wind.
>
> Yes. It. Does.

Gee, riding in cross winds in the Savage is nothing new, do it all the
time. My newest ride, the Voyager was more relaxing in comparison. TOm
can keep his scooter but I like this new ride.

[Twibil]

On Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:30:27 PM UTC-7, TOG@Toil wrote:
>
>
> > A fairing does nothing to protect you from exposure to rain, hail, cold, etc produced by a strong cross-wind.
>
> Yes.
>
> It.
>
> Does.

Well, to be fair, he's most likely only tried it while at a standstill.

In which case he'd be correct.

[High Plains Thumper]

sleazy wrote:
>
> Iow, you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about again. But,
> no one in this group has ever gone cross country or toured on a big
> touring bike. /head slap Or a smaller thumper. Or a sport bike. Or a
> UJM standard.

By cross country touring meaning coast-to-coast? Most of the cross
country tourers no longer post in Reeky.

I've crossed state lines with Arizona, Texas and Colorado, but haven't
done a multi-state run (yet). I crossed the Continental Divide multiple
times (lived 30 miles away, LOL). Savage is a minimalist machine; if one
wanted to relive the 1960's, could mimic the UJM rides back then.

Now I have the means to do some serious touring, and that I intend to do.

[tomorrow]

I've ridden cross country on a naked sport bike (97 Triumph T509) with no fairing and no wind protection of any kind except a soft tank bag. I've ridden cross country on a full dress touring bike with a frame-mounted fairing. I've ridden cross country on a full dress touring bike with a handlebar mounted fairing. I've ridden 1,542 miles in one day on a standard bike with a handlebar mounted plexiglass windshield. I did an five day 2,800+ mile tour in that same bike. I rode over a thousand miles in one day on a Ducati 851 fully faired Superbike.

Can't say that the differences in managing cross winds were big enough to make any one stand out better than any other.

But then, Tom is probably a little more experienced than I am, so he's almost certainly right.

[High Plains Thumper]

tomorrow wrote:

> I've ridden cross country on a naked sport bike (97 Triumph T509)
> with no fairing and no wind protection of any kind except a soft tank
> bag. I've ridden cross country on a full dress touring bike with a
> frame-mounted fairing. I've ridden cross country on a full dress
> touring bike with a handlebar mounted fairing. I've ridden 1,542
> miles in one day on a standard bike with a handlebar mounted
> plexiglass windshield. I did an five day 2,800+ mile tour in that
> same bike. I rode over a thousand miles in one day on a Ducati 851
> fully faired Superbike.
>
> Can't say that the differences in managing cross winds were big
> enough to make any one stand out better than any other.

The handlebar mounted universal mini windshield (Mayer) increased
comfort on the Savage, kept wind off the chest. I haven't taken as long
a rides as you, so I can't boast of that.

I'd say you're right regarding managing cross winds, given my limited
experiences. Some riders here won't ride if it is windy. Here, wind is a
normal occurrence due to the flatness and relative lack of trees and
structures in the area. I've just learned to deal with it. After a
while, one gets used to it.

Worst of it was around grain silos in the middle of nowhere, got
buffeted from both directions.

The GZ1200 has a larger windscreen and the full fairing helped IMO with
comfort on that 2 hour ride. (Look what followed me home, Honey.) I'll
have more to report (if I decided any more to post in Reeky) as I gain
more time in the saddle. Compared with 8 years ago, this place has
become a ghost town.

[T0m $herman]

On 6/22/2013 4:35 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> I'll have more to report (if I decided any more to post in Reeky) as I
> gain more time in the saddle. Compared with 8 years ago, this place has
> become a ghost town.

Normal result of having a pissing contest in a wading pool.

Gets really quiet when one kill-files all the people without a basic
sense of civility, decency, or morality.

--
T0m $herm@n

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Pretty soon the only posts you'll be able to read are your own! LOL

Killfiles: the coward's way

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom, I'm not sure what your issues are. I was referring to going back a
decade ago. Then, this forum had hundreds of posts a day, or so it
seemed. That even discounted the off topics like Henry's 9-11 conspiracy
posts and spam.

Then, there were many instances of real ride stories, meetings,
discussions about tours, links to photos, and etc. Then Reeky was a real
event, had annual rides, riders got together, encouraged joining and
becoming a patched Reeky member, etc.

We don't see much of that these days. That is what I mean.

[T0m $herman]

The two are related. When a small clique disparages everyone who
refuses to admire them, going as far as libel in their efforts, most
decent people will leave.

--
T0m $herm@n

[sleazyrider]

NAHAY?

I suggest you read the FAQ for rec.motorcycles, eh? Live to flame and all
that. Would you like a copy?

--
sleazy

[tomorrow]

I don't know, Tom. Even if I did bother to kill file you, I don't think it would make any noticeable difference in the strength of the signal in reeky. Maybe in the noise level, the effect would be measurable, though.

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote

| Comfort is the issue, not control. A fairing does nothing to protect
| you from exposure to rain, hail, cold, etc produced by a strong
cross-wind.

If you are worried about that take a cage. "Exposure" is one of the
things that makes motorcycle touring an adventure.

| Longest rides:
| - Honda Dullsville: 600 miles in one day in freezing weather, and 450
| miles plus a full day riding class in 80-95°F weather.
| - Honda Elite 110: 210 miles in under five hours total time. Was WFO at
| ~50 mph much of the time, and still managed over 85 mpg.
| - RANS Tailwind: 128 miles in 8 hours total time (OK, that one is pedal
| powered). :)
|

Just as we suspected ... ;-)

[Vito00]

"High Plains Thumper" <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote
|

| Then, there were many instances of real ride stories, meetings,
| discussions about tours, links to photos, and etc. Then Reeky was a real
| event, had annual rides, riders got together, encouraged joining and
| becoming a patched Reeky member, etc.
|
| We don't see much of that these days. That is what I mean.
|

I hope to make a small contribution toward a resurgence. Cancer got me
about 8 years ago and while I survived the chemo/radiation left me weak
and nerve damage means my feet don't go where I put them so, while riding
is OK stopping id a bitch. I tried down sizing to a sporty and (as Tim
calls it) a road king lite (Switchback) to little avail. But last week I
rented a trike for 3 days and bought one Friday. Hopefully SWMBO and I
will get some road time again. No, the trike is not a motorcycle - one
drives it rather than rides it - but it does offer the 'exposure' to
sights, sounds and (yes) weather like a bike. Did three 200+ mile rides
on the rental and hope to get some real rides worth reporting soon. Keep
the faith .....

[High Plains Thumper]

Vito00 wrote:
> "High Plains Thumper" wrote

>
>> Then, there were many instances of real ride stories, meetings,
>> discussions about tours, links to photos, and etc. Then Reeky was
>> a real event, had annual rides, riders got together, encouraged
>> joining and becoming a patched Reeky member, etc. We don't see
>> much of that these days. That is what I mean.
>
> I hope to make a small contribution toward a resurgence. Cancer got
> me about 8 years ago and while I survived the chemo/radiation left
> me weak and nerve damage means my feet don't go where I put them so,
> while riding is OK stopping id a bitch.

Sorry to hear of your suffering, but glad to hear that you are a survivor.

> I tried down sizing to a sporty and (as Tim calls it) a road king
> lite (Switchback) to little avail.

That was sort of like what the Savage was like. I'd ride to a rally,
someone would ask me, "You rode that from there to here?" Then I'd
remind them of what people rode back in the '60s and '70s. Then a 650
was a big motorcycle.

I'd be tooling down the highway at 70 MPH and 4900 RPM, sometimes 70 MPH
and 5200 RPM, redline 6500 RPM. But the 2.8 gallon tank meant filling
every 100 miles or less, plus carrying a saddlebag gallon tank in case.
(Rural NM & TX don't always have convenient gas stations, or possible
might be closed, pumps malfunctioned, power outage, credit card link
down at pump, etc.)

At those RPM's, the bike vibrates a lot. I considered it as preparing me
for a hard frame Sporty, LOL.

Weather gets above 90 deg F into 100, oil consumption goes up since bike
is running hotter, having to top every other fill. (Some owners have
trashed the valve train because they didn't maintain oil levels. Engine
head doesn't use cam bearing inserts. Trashed engine means new head,
worth more than the motorcycle.) I'd easily use a quart on a 450 mile
ride. OTOH, same trek (Alamogordo to Clovis and back) during winter, I'd
use a 1/4 quart. (It's thrilling to see the changing seasons in the
Hondo Valley between Ruidoso and Roswell. Plus riding the mild set of
twisties there was fun, too.)

> But last week I rented a trike for 3 days and bought one Friday.
> Hopefully SWMBO and I will get some road time again. No, the trike
> is not a motorcycle - one drives it rather than rides it - but it
> does offer the 'exposure' to sights, sounds and (yes) weather like a
> bike. Did three 200+ mile rides on the rental and hope to get some
> real rides worth reporting soon.

I know others in the same shoes as you, who now ride a trike. It still
provides the wind in the hair, sights and sounds just as you say. It's
why I like motorcycling. You see a lot more on a bike than you do in a cage.

> Keep the faith .....

You likewise. BTW, I went on a couple rides with the Christian
Motorcyclist Association and to a couple of their rallies, Hatfield AR,
Chama NM, Los Luna NM; it was really fun. They practice what they preach.

[T0m $herman]

Used Kawasaki EX250s with lowering kits can be found for $2K. Forget
that it looks like a sport-bike (the riding position is sports-tourer),
throw on an Airhawk seat cushion, and go. 4.8 gallon tank means ~250
miles between filling up. Or for a bit more money, a used CBR250R will
get even better mileage.

> Weather gets above 90 deg F into 100, oil consumption goes up since bike
> is running hotter, having to top every other fill. (Some owners have
> trashed the valve train because they didn't maintain oil levels. Engine
> head doesn't use cam bearing inserts. Trashed engine means new head,
> worth more than the motorcycle.) I'd easily use a quart on a 450 mile
> ride. OTOH, same trek (Alamogordo to Clovis and back) during winter, I'd
> use a 1/4 quart. (It's thrilling to see the changing seasons in the
> Hondo Valley between Ruidoso and Roswell. Plus riding the mild set of
> twisties there was fun, too.)
>

True air-cooled bikes are obsolete, with many newer so-called air-cooled
bikes really being oil-cooled, with oil coolers that are nearly as large
as the radiators on liquid-cooled bikes.

>> But last week I rented a trike for 3 days and bought one Friday.
>> Hopefully SWMBO and I will get some road time again. No, the trike
>> is not a motorcycle - one drives it rather than rides it - but it
>> does offer the 'exposure' to sights, sounds and (yes) weather like a
>> bike. Did three 200+ mile rides on the rental and hope to get some
>> real rides worth reporting soon.
>
> I know others in the same shoes as you, who now ride a trike. It still
> provides the wind in the hair, sights and sounds just as you say. It's
> why I like motorcycling. You see a lot more on a bike than you do in a
> cage.
>

Or put one of those hydraulic out-rigger kits on a bike, so there is no
need for low-speed balance or holding the bike up at a stop. Or get one
of those goofy looking Piaggio MP3 three-wheel scooters. :)

--
T0m $herm@n

[The Older Gentleman]

Twibil <noway...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, to be fair, he's most likely only tried it while at a standstill.
>
> In which case he'd be correct.

Good point, well made.

And you also understand the slipstream effect....

[Vito00]

"T0m $herman" <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote
| True air-cooled bikes are obsolete,.....

Thank EPA and noise laws for that.

[High Plains Thumper]

+The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Twibil wrote:
>
>> Well, to be fair, he's most likely only tried it while at a
>> standstill.
>>
>> In which case he'd be correct.
>
> Good point, well made. And you also understand the slipstream
> effect....

Left Clovis NM around 1:30 pm today with a couple friends on similar
sized bikes, rode up to Logan NM 80 miles away, returned 8:00 pm today.
Voyager handles comfortably, 4 cylinder runs very smoothly, plenty of
acceleration when needed, seems to corner decently even though heavy.
Only thing it was a hot ride, 95 deg F (35 deg c). Bike handles
comfortably in a crosswind and headwind.

More is less? I've done much with less, it is kind of nice to do much
with more.

I like the idea of a trunk big enough that 2 helmets can be locked in.
Kind of hard to do that on a tiddler bike. :->

[tomorrow]

On Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:29:56 PM UTC-4, Vito00 wrote:

> "T0m $herman" <twsh...@southslope.net> wrote

>> True air-cooled bikes are obsolete,.....

> Thank EPA and noise laws for that.

I'll disagree. Harley-Davidson delivered 160,477 motorcycles in the U.S. in 2012, the vast majority of which were air-cooled. All other motorcycyle sellers (Polaris/Victory excluded) delivered 166,601 motorcycles in th U.S. in 2012; the vast majority of which were liquid-cooled. When as many as half of all the motorcycles sold in the U.S. are powered by true air-cooled engines, I don't think that you can persuasively argue that true air-cooled bikes are obsolete.

I will agree that it is getting harder and harder to build a competitive motorcycle for retail sale that has an air-cooled engine, partially because of the federal noise and emissions requirements levied on the manufacturers, but also because of the demands for power, reliability, performance, and longevity demanded by today's reatail buyers.

[Vito00]

"tomorrow" <s4rs...@yahoo.com> wrote

-----------------------------------------
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Air-cooled is hardly obsolete. In fact
it is better for a motorcycle - less complication & weight. The main
reasons many bikes are going to water is engine noise and easier smog
compliance.

[A rider]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:01:54 AM UTC-4, tomorrow wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:59:02 PM UTC-4, T0m $herman wrote:
>> I would rather have a purple and white Triumph Bonneville for a
>> retro-styled bike. Oh wait, I bought one this weekend (traded in the F4i).
>> -- T0m $herm@n
>
> That's a great opening move towards buying your first Harley, Tom.
> People (including yourself) will soon forget that you ever even owned
> a multi-cylinder Japanese sport bike, and will begin to associate you
> with a more upright, traditional riding style.
>
> Having owned a 1972 Triumph T100R Daytona, a 1971 Triumph TR6RV Tiger 650 5-speed, a 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple, and a 1999 Triumph 955i Speed Triple prior to embarking on the adventure of Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding Triumphs is a great experience; they are WONDERFUL bikes, and being British icons themselves, they will prepare you well for your eventual conversion to the "dark side" of owning an American icon, whether it be a Sportster, a Dyna, or a touring big twin.
>
> Looking forward to you further westward-moving motorcycling adventures, Tom!

It does sound like a natural progression!

[Eiron]

On 24/06/2013 20:52, A rider wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:01:54 AM UTC-4, tomorrow wrote:

>> Having owned a 1972 Triumph T100R Daytona, a 1971 Triumph TR6RV Tiger 650 5-speed, a 1997 Triumph T509 Speed Triple, and a 1999 Triumph 955i Speed Triple prior to embarking on the adventure of Harley ownership myownself, I can tell you that owning and riding Triumphs is a great experience; they are WONDERFUL bikes, and being British icons themselves, they will prepare you well for your eventual conversion to the "dark side" of owning an American icon, whether it be a Sportster, a Dyna, or a touring big twin.

> It does sound like a natural progression!

Just as maturity, senility and death is a natural progression.


--
Eiron.

[T0m $herman]

On 6/23/2013 9:35 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
> I like the idea of a trunk big enough that 2 helmets can be locked in.
> Kind of hard to do that on a tiddler bike. :->
>

Unless they are larger diameter helmets (e.g. L and XL size Bell
full-face), two helmets can be locked inside the under-seat compartment
of my Honda Elite 110 scooter/tiddler.

--
T0m $herm@n

[T0m $herman]

If I was getting a cruiser, it would almost certainly be either one of
the Triumph America/Speedmaster siblings, or a Moto Guzzi California,
based both on looks and the fewest apparent compromises to ride,
handling, and braking [1] compared to standard bikes. And of course, no
Lifestyle™ baggage included.

Or maybe a Ducati Indiana, just because almost everyone hates them. ;)

[1] A cruiser would out-brake a sport-bike of the same weight, given
equal front tires and braking hardware.

--
T0m $herm@n

[The Older Gentleman]

T0m $herman <twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

> two helmets can be locked inside the under-seat compartment
> of my Honda Elite 110 scooter/tiddler.

*Like anyone cares*