1982 Honda Magna V45 750cc : Questions
Anish Paul
done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a few questions
though.
1. Is it ok to do a constant 70mph on an interstate for about 1.5 hrs at a
stretch?(I mean in terms of engine stress etc)
2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the distinct
sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
3. Also is there any way of checking if all 4 cylinders are firing??
Shall greatly appreciate any inputs.
Anish.
Bud Durland
> 1. Is it ok to do a constant 70mph on an interstate for about 1.5 hrs at a
> stretch?(I mean in terms of engine stress etc)
Geez, I hope so -- that's how I got to Americade on my '86 Magna 700 :)
Seriously, if the oil is freash, and antifreeze full, and the rubber
good, I would suspect so. You didn't say how many miles are on it.
> 2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the distinct
> sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
Mine does the same thing tick-tick-tick-tick while at a stop light. I'm
told it's time to adjust the valves (I have 42K miles on mine)
> 3. Also is there any way of checking if all 4 cylinders are firing??
hold your hand over the end of one of the exhaust pipes, keep the
throttle at a steady 2000 RPm and count the pulses. :) An easy way, I
suppose, would be an induction timing light -- the kind that clamps over
the spark plug wire and flashes the light when the plug fires.
Bud
The Older Gentleman
> I just got a 1982 Honda Magna V45 750cc about a month back. I've already
> done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a few questions
> though.
Oh dear - *bad* choice.
>
> 1. Is it ok to do a constant 70mph on an interstate for about 1.5 hrs at a
> stretch?(I mean in terms of engine stress etc)
Yes
>
> 2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the distinct
> sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
Yes. It means they're fucked. Or the camchain tensioners. Or the
camchains. Or all of them. They all did that, sir.
>
> 3. Also is there any way of checking if all 4 cylinders are firing??
>
Feel for hot exhaust pipes.
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> Anish Paul <apa...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > I just got a 1982 Honda Magna V45 750cc about a month back. I've already
> > done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a few questions
> > though.
>
> Oh dear - *bad* choice.
> >
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Oi! TOG.
My brothers got an `82 Sabre.
Lovely machine ;-)
You forgot to mention the regulator/rectifier burning out and the fork seals
blowing!
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M. J. Freeman
> I just got a 1982 Honda Magna V45 750cc about a month back. I've
> already done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a
> few questions though.
Check out: www.sabmag.org
> 1. Is it ok to do a constant 70mph on an interstate for about 1.5
> hrs at a stretch?(I mean in terms of engine stress etc)
Why are you only going 70?
> 2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the
> distinct sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
If it's just the valves tapping, you're good. Other sounds might not
be so good. Read the info on the SabMag website about the cams.
> 3. Also is there any way of checking if all 4 cylinders are
> firing??
Get a squirt bottle and spray water on the the pipes.
'85 VF700S
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>done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a few questions
>though.
>1. Is it ok to do a constant 70mph on an interstate for about 1.5 hrs at a
>stretch?(I mean in terms of engine stress etc)
a bit smoother at one particular speed and rougher at another.
>2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the distinct
>sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
Cams, valves and camchain; collectively "valvegear". If the clatter
goes away with a bit of throttle you'll be fine.
(Question to group: Was this the bike with the chocolate cam bearings?)
>3. Also is there any way of checking if all 4 cylinders are firing??
Spit on each exhaust pipe where it comes out of the head.
The Older Gentleman
> "The Older Gentleman" <chateau.S...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > Anish Paul <apa...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > I just got a 1982 Honda Magna V45 750cc about a month back. I've already
> > > done over a 1000miles on it and it's been a treat. I had a few questions
> > > though.
> >
> > Oh dear - *bad* choice.
> > >
>
> --
>
> Oi! TOG.
>
> My brothers got an `82 Sabre.
>
> Lovely machine ;-)
>
> You forgot to mention the regulator/rectifier burning out and the fork seals
> blowing!
>
The Sabre is the 1100 - not the same thing as the 750cc Magna.
Jack Hunt
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>The Sabre is the 1100 - not the same thing as the 750cc Magna.
Let's clear this up: There are 700, 750, and 1100 Sabres. There are
500, 700, 750, and 1100 Magnas. Most but not all parts will
interchange between the 700 and 750 engines, but no parts will change
between the 500s and anything else, the 700/750 and anything else, or
the 1100 and anything else. The 500 is a chain drive and has more in
common with the Interceptor than the Magna/Sabre line.
A 1100 Sabre engine will fit into a 1100 Magna frame, but a 1100 Magna
engine will not fit into a 1100 Sabre frame. The 1100 Sabre used the
engine as a stressed frame member and there is an extra engine mount
on the front head. This mount can be left unused when mounting a
Sabre engine on a Magna, but cannot be ignored when trying to put a
Magna engine into a Sabre. I imagine this is the same for the 700/750
models, but I don't know for sure.
Say, what's happened to Golly? I haven't seen her since the last time
she stayed at my house and her email is bouncing.
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The Older Gentleman
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:02:59 +0100, chateau.S...@btinternet.com
> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >The Sabre is the 1100 - not the same thing as the 750cc Magna.
>
> Let's clear this up: There are 700, 750, and 1100 Sabres. There are
> 500, 700, 750, and 1100 Magnas. Most but not all parts will
> interchange between the 700 and 750 engines, but no parts will change
> between the 500s and anything else, the 700/750 and anything else, or
> the 1100 and anything else. The 500 is a chain drive and has more in
> common with the Interceptor than the Magna/Sabre line.
>
Blimey. Thanks. I thought the Sabres were all the 1100s - you see, they
never named the V series over here. Just called the VF500, VF750 VF1000
etc.
And we never got the 1100s at all.
AkaZilla
The strange thing was that the V-65 Sabre was officially called the VF1100S.
That by itself isnt wierd. HOWEVER, logic would dictate that to be consistent
between the models, the Magna would have been the VF1100M. NO SUCH LUCK. The
Magna (butt ugly damn thing that it was) was called the VF1100C.
Take Care,
Larry
The Older Gentleman
I borrowed an 1100 Magna tourer for 2 weeks on holidasy in NM in the
late 1980s. Didn't go, didn't stop and as sure as shit didn't go round
corners, but it made a wonderful relaxed comfy mile-eater.
Clutchman
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> >2. Though the engine is smooth as ever, while idling there is the
distinct
> >sound of what i think is the cams. Is this normal?
> Cams, valves and camchain; collectively "valvegear". If the clatter
> goes away with a bit of throttle you'll be fine.
>
> (Question to group: Was this the bike with the chocolate cam bearings?)
Thought that that was the VF (Interceptor) series...
Clutchman
Dead Meat
>AkaZilla <akaz...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Aloha,
>> The strange thing was that the V-65 Sabre was officially called the VF1100S.
>> That by itself isnt wierd. HOWEVER, logic would dictate that to be consistent
>> between the models, the Magna would have been the VF1100M. NO SUCH LUCK. The
>> Magna (butt ugly damn thing that it was) was called the VF1100C.
>>
>I borrowed an 1100 Magna tourer for 2 weeks on holidasy in NM in the
>late 1980s. Didn't go, didn't stop and as sure as shit didn't go round
>corners, but it made a wonderful relaxed comfy mile-eater.
AkaZilla,
In the current lineup, all of the "cruiser" bikes have a "C" in the model name, including the
current version of the Magna. Unfortunately, the Sabre no longer exists, and the only current
"standard" bike (Nighthawk) is simply the CB750. But I would still wager that the "S" in VF1100S
stands for STANDARD and not SABRE.
Now, WHO the HELL are YOU to call MY BIKE "butt ugly"?
(Ignoring for the moment all the dents, dings, and faded paint.)
;-)
Mr. Older Gentleman,
You must have had a bum steer. I've ridden a V65 Magna and they can FLY!
(They also stop and corner very well too!)
Heck, even my 84 VF700C with over 60K miles, and no compression to speak of, handles and accelerates
very well for a cruiser of its age.
Of course my friends with their 600 Ninja's have to humor me when we ride ;-)
...
Jack Hunt
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>I borrowed an 1100 Magna tourer for 2 weeks on holidasy in NM in the
>late 1980s. Didn't go, didn't stop and as sure as shit didn't go round
>corners, but it made a wonderful relaxed comfy mile-eater.
You must have had a lemon. I had one for about 2 years and it would
flatten eyeballs. I had it fitted with a 5 gallon fuel cell and would
go 500 miles between fillups on long trips.
Remind me when I get home, I have some pictures of my 1100 Magna in
mid corner. They were taken by the pillion on a 1100 Sabre who
couldn't keep up.
I may be off line for the rest of the day today.
I'M GOING HOME TODAY!!!
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M. J. Freeman
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>> (Question to group: Was this the bike with the chocolate cam
>> bearings?)
>
> Thought that that was the VF (Interceptor) series...
The Magnas, Sabres and Interceptors were all VF's, e.g.: VF750C,
VF750S, and VF750R/F. (I never have been able to keep the F v. R
thing straight. The F is the one with the *really* good suspension,
right?)
So, anyway, this meant the Sabre and Magna were, respectively, a
standard and a custom bike with sportbike motors. Fookin' brilliant.
(And thus I find the new Suzuki V-Strom really intriguing....)
The Interceptors were, in fact, the first bike to have the cam
problem engineered out. (The move to gear-driven cams was mostly
just PR, though. The chain-driven system was fine... with adequate
oil delivery, that is. Well, okay, a better tensioner designed
would've helped too.)
The Older Gentleman
> >I borrowed an 1100 Magna tourer for 2 weeks on holidasy in NM in the
> >late 1980s. Didn't go, didn't stop and as sure as shit didn't go round
> >corners, but it made a wonderful relaxed comfy mile-eater.
>
> You must have had a lemon. I had one for about 2 years and it would
> flatten eyeballs.
Well, it would hit 120 in fifth, but go no faste rin sixth. Sixth was
really an overdrive.
Oh, and the shaft was nice.
But it *did not* handle.
AkaZilla
Just another V-four owner. We all thought that "our" version was the best
looking V-four.
When they first brought out the V-45 Sabre, I could see where the styling had
been heavily influenced by the old 750 and 900 Super Sport inline fours.
I wasn't quite ready for the Interceptor look, and while I could see the Magna
was a good bike, I just thought it was ugly.
When they redesigned the Magna I thought "Whew, about time, that thing was ugly
and any change has to be an improvement". I was wrong. They managed to make it
worse.
Having said that, I have to say that the Magna must have looked better to the
rest of the market than the Sabre. The magna was in production far longer than
the Sabre.
Larry
Jack Hunt
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Well, it would hit 120 in fifth, but go no faste rin sixth. Sixth was
>really an overdrive.
5th was the fast gear. 6th was for cruising at or near the speed
limit. Bowing to the risk of self incrimination, I won't say what
mine would do in 5th but it was...significant.
>Oh, and the shaft was nice.
Aye.
>But it *did not* handle.
The pegs dragged way too soon. The 750 models actually handled better
in tight corners but gave some points away when horsepower was the
whole equation. I was never as comfortable in the corners with my
1100 as I was with my 750. I always felt like the front was trying to
wash out, and I used Bridgestone S11, Dunlop D205, and Metzeler MEz4
tires on it.
With a Corbin seat, mine was good for all-day tours. When I'm able to
look at bikes again, I may consider getting another one.
I learned today that the authorities do know that I was forced off the
road but they have not yet learned the name of the driver. IF they
find him, and IF he has any resources, I may have a chance at
recovering some of my losses. I am not terribly optimistic.
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N2BRK
>limit.
Unless you had a V65 Sabre with some tweaks and a custom 3.40 rear. Then 6th
was the fastes gear....not that'd I'd know hehe.
Jack, I hope you continue your recovery and get back on the road ASAP :-)
Wally
The Family
I had an '83 V65 Magna. I really liked the bike but, it
was very poor in the handling department. I always
thought this was due to the somewhat rake used for
styling purposes.
I never had any trouble with the bike except it wouldn't
shift out of first gear after what seemed like a very short
time. I don't remember the warranty period, but I do
remember having to almost threaten Honda to get the
shifting fixed as a warranty claim. So, it must have been
just beyond the cutoff period.
As I recall, it had 116HP, and torque unknown to me.
Somewhere I read that it had a "mathematically calcula-
ted" top speed of 173MPH.
I never rode the thing much over about 90MPH, but I
sure had fun street racing.
Gary
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Jack Hunt
wrote:
>As I recall, it had 116HP, and torque unknown to me.
In real life, measured at the rear wheel, it's more like 108 if tuning
is perfect.
>Somewhere I read that it had a "mathematically calcula-
>ted" top speed of 173MPH.
Again, in real life, it's a lot closer to 150. That's still fast
enough for a raked cruiser. From 1983 until the V-max showed up, the
1100cc V65 Magna was the fastest production motorcycle on the planet -
in a straight line. There are some faster bikes out there now, but
the Animals that are left are still just as fast as they ever were.
If you're going to outrun one, and it's tuned right, you're going to
have to turn some big numbers to do it.
I rode one for two years. Nobody ever pulled me in a straight line.
Nobody. People who had the right equipment and knew how to exploit it
could pull away in some serious twisties, but lots of people found out
they couldn't do that either. The only guy who really smoked me on
the V65 was on another V65.
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