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Mike Corey

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Sep 25, 2007, 8:43:35 PM9/25/07
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Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?

Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?

Thanks.


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Mark Olson

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Sep 25, 2007, 9:17:52 PM9/25/07
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Mike Corey wrote:
> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>
> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?

Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal.
The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each
is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the
points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil
primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the
spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding
is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary
terminal.

Can't get any simpler than that.

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Project Magnet #1

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Sep 25, 2007, 9:59:52 PM9/25/07
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Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch.

Les

B-]

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Sep 25, 2007, 10:24:03 PM9/25/07
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On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?

Do you need to have a battery at all?

A lot of single cylinder dirt bikes had what is called an energy
transfer magneto.

They didn't need a battery.

The permanent magnet rotor induced a low voltage into the ignition
coil behind the rotor, and there was a set of ignition points that
opened and closed as the crankshaft turned.

One wire went up to the primary winding of the ignition coil, and a
wire went to the kill button.

Mark Olson

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Sep 25, 2007, 10:26:24 PM9/25/07
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Good idea.

I was just trying to suggest the simplest possible practical
circuit so the OP could get his head around it. I wonder if
just saying "add a kill switch" would even help-- there's a
significant fraction of the public who would happily put the
KS across the points or between any two random nodes in the
circuit for that matter.

They don't call it electrickery for nothing.

Mike Corey

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Sep 25, 2007, 10:52:38 PM9/25/07
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Rhia...@gmail.com (B-]) wrote:

>Do you need to have a battery at all?

Yes, I should have mentioned, the bike is a modified 1956 Harley
Davidson Model 165 that is raced in light weight Antique flattrack.
Anything and everything that's not needed has been removed.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

B-]

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:34:51 AM9/26/07
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On Sep 25, 7:52?pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:

> Yes, I should have mentioned, the bike is a modified 1956 Harley
> Davidson Model 165 that is raced in light weight Antique flattrack.
> Anything and everything that's not needed has been removed.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/kevins_pages/1955_model165.gif

Project Magnet #1

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:57:41 AM9/26/07
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Across the points works fine if your not running a battery. With a
battery, a way to kill the power would be best.

Les

The Older Gentleman

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Sep 26, 2007, 2:21:45 AM9/26/07
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B-] <Rhia...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>
> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>

He didn't say battery, did he?


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The Older Gentleman

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Sep 26, 2007, 2:21:45 AM9/26/07
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Mike Corey <AWR7...@webtv.net> wrote:

> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>

Heh. Just bought one. A little dirt bike with a Honda 125 lump in it.
Wired directly. No battery. Just a killswitch.

Mark Olson

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Sep 26, 2007, 5:15:21 AM9/26/07
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> B-] <Rhia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>>
>
> He didn't say battery, did he?

He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
a "total loss" system.

The Older Gentleman

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Sep 26, 2007, 1:51:49 PM9/26/07
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.net> wrote:

Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel
ignition, no battery.

Project Magnet #1

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Sep 26, 2007, 1:54:16 PM9/26/07
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.net> wrote:
>
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> B-] <Rhia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>>>> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>>>>
>>> He didn't say battery, did he?
>> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
>> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
>> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
>> a "total loss" system.
>
> Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel
> ignition, no battery.

Never heard of total loss being used in that context myself. Always used
to describe a battery ignition with no means to keep the battery charged.

Les

The Older Gentleman

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Sep 26, 2007, 2:04:20 PM9/26/07
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Fairy nuff.

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