Denso flasher/relay unit

Ziguy

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Feb 9, 2003, 1:31:36 PM2/9/03

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Hi,

Currently, I have an Denso flasher/relay unit (part# FE249JR) which it made
for 4 x 21 Watts turn signal bulbs. Since I want to use 10W bulb, I will
like to know the part number for the 4 x 10W version. I need that because
with that kind of unit, if you use a lower or higher wattage bulb, the
blinking rate is very inaccurate.

Here's a schematic of my current unit:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/latourr/Relay.jpg

I asked a lot of dealer in my region but know one have this information! I
also tried to get the info directly from Denso but they alway refer me to
dealer!

So, somebody knows:

The part number of the 4 x 10 Watts version?
A dealer which have a Denso catalog/specification?
A japaneese bike which use 10W turn signal bulb?
Somebody who works for Denso?!?!

Thanks,

Ho! I don't want to use load equaliser, high power resistors or car/trailer
relay to solve my problem! ;-)

The Black Maggot

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Feb 9, 2003, 4:41:13 PM2/9/03

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The FN257C is rated at 12V 27W x 2 + 3W. This should be close enough for
running 10W globes.

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Ziguy

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Feb 9, 2003, 6:21:35 PM2/9/03

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On my unit, it written: T 21Wx2 . H 21Wx4

What those ratings mean?

Thanks

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Ziguy

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Feb 9, 2003, 7:02:37 PM2/9/03

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I tried with mine, which is also 21Wx2 and they still blink too fast!

Anyone else?

Thanks Maggot

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Rod Out back

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Feb 9, 2003, 9:30:39 PM2/9/03

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Dont think my solution is very legal but, it may give you an idea...

I have just replaced the rear indicators on my DRZ400E with those little
orange Hella LED clearance lamps (they handle 0-36Volts), and I had the
erratic flashing problem when I hooked them into the circuit. Problem was
the old flasher bulbs were 21W, and the new ones are about 0.5 w. The
flasher unit wasnt seeing the current draw that it expected. Talking to the
electronics tech brother, he advised selecting a resistor in parallel to the
bulb to bring the current draw up to what the flasher unit requires. We have
worked out the resistive value I require, but I am yet to buy the heavy
resistors I need.

Bear in mind that my bike isnt registered, and so the indicators arent
expected to meet DOT requirements. It may however give you an idea in
solving your erratic flashing prob. MY solution isnt going to reduce the
current draw on your electrics, though. Reduced current draw is the only
reason I can think of why you would want to run lower wattage bulbs.

I must ask though, why would you want to reduce the visibility of your
indicators on a road bike?? Lower wattage is going to make them harder to
see. I changed mine as the rear indicator mounts dont fit without the poxy
rear mudguard, and the whole unit is going to fall off very quickly when
bush-bashing.

Personally, I would prefer something so bloody bright that the world lights
up behind me when they are on. At least no-one can claim they didnt see you
indicate....

Cheers,

Rod....Out Back

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Theo Bekkers

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Feb 9, 2003, 9:45:40 PM2/9/03

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"Rod Out back" wrote

> Dont think my solution is very legal but, it may give you an idea...
>
> I have just replaced the rear indicators on my DRZ400E with those little
> orange Hella LED clearance lamps (they handle 0-36Volts), and I had the
> erratic flashing problem when I hooked them into the circuit. Problem was
> the old flasher bulbs were 21W, and the new ones are about 0.5 w. The
> flasher unit wasnt seeing the current draw that it expected. Talking to
the
> electronics tech brother, he advised selecting a resistor in parallel to
the
> bulb to bring the current draw up to what the flasher unit requires. We
have
> worked out the resistive value I require, but I am yet to buy the heavy
> resistors I need.

Just go to your nearest accessory shop and get an electronic flasher unit.
They are not load dependent and cost about $12 here in Australia. Can buy
them in K-Mart. Work with any wattage lamps, including LEDs.

Theo

Ziguy

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Feb 9, 2003, 10:02:11 PM2/9/03

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I replace the stock flashers with aftermarket ones and they can only take
10W bulbs. But the new ones have reflector inside contrary to the stock
ones...

I thought about the the resistor but I prefer to just swap the relay... It's
cleaner! Also, with the resistor, you have to deal with a lot of heat
dissipation... Something like 22W (42W - 2 * 10W).

I still hope finding the correct relay!

Later

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Rod Out back

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Feb 9, 2003, 10:28:39 PM2/9/03

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Theo,

Looking at the size of the flasher unit on the DRZ400, I would think it
might actually be an electronic unit; it is very small & doesnt seem to make
any noise.. Doesnt seem to be a lot of room in there for mechanical
flasher...
And it doesnt like the LED flashers at all.

I might try some anyway; they may be better set up for what I want than the
Suzuki unit....

Cheers, and thanks for the idea.

Rod.

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Rod Out back

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> I replace the stock flashers with aftermarket ones and they can only take
> 10W bulbs. But the new ones have reflector inside contrary to the stock
> ones...
>
> I thought about the the resistor but I prefer to just swap the relay...
It's
> cleaner! Also, with the resistor, you have to deal with a lot of heat
> dissipation... Something like 22W (42W - 2 * 10W).
>
> I still hope finding the correct relay!
>
> Later
>

Jaycar sell 10Watt resistors that have a sort of heat insulation cover on
them, but it would be obviously better if you can resolve it without needing
to put resistors in.

Apologies; Hadnt thought of replacing the whole indicator units, so coudlnt
think why you'd be putting lower wattage bulbs in!

Cheers,

Rod.

Frank Warner

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Feb 9, 2003, 10:49:17 PM2/9/03

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Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Just go to your nearest accessory shop and get an electronic flasher unit.
> They are not load dependent and cost about $12 here in Australia. Can buy
> them in K-Mart. Work with any wattage lamps, including LEDs.

Not legal for rego in OZ, if a bulb fails the law requires that the
rider/driver is made aware of that failure. However they don't check
that feature so you may getway with it for years.

For a 2x10W flasher unit try a honda XR250/650 - they run 10 watt
indicators.

Frank Warner

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Feb 9, 2003, 11:02:23 PM2/9/03

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You could use a 21w light globe as the load resistor ... cheap and you
already have them. Put it somewhere interesting :)

Theo Bekkers

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Feb 10, 2003, 12:29:06 AM2/10/03

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"Frank Warner" wrote

> Not legal for rego in OZ, if a bulb fails the law requires that the
> rider/driver is made aware of that failure. However they don't check
> that feature so you may getway with it for years.
>
> For a 2x10W flasher unit try a honda XR250/650 - they run 10 watt
> indicators.

As does my Guzzi.

Theo

Ziguy

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Feb 11, 2003, 10:29:55 AM2/11/03

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I finally got it!

The Denso part number is 066500-5270 (SUZUKI Part Number 38610-12FA0)

Now, I need to found which Suzuki models use that part... I don't want to
buy a new unit... They are $60! I will check with salvage yards.

So, if you have a Suzuki, can you check on your relay if you see that
number: 066500-5270. If yes, tell me your model/year.

Please check!!! ;-)

Thanks,
Bob

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> On my unit, it written: T 21Wx2 . H 21Wx4
>
> What those ratings mean?

Tungsten 2-21w bulbs, Halogen 4-21w bulbs?

Matthew Lundberg

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Halogen bulbs also use tungsten. The difference is elsewhere.
And 21W is 21W, as far as the controller is concerned.

How about these instead:
Turn 2x21W
Hazard 4x21W

High Plains Thumper

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Makes sense.

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You need our part number 1023069
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