Jesse James of West Coast Choppers
Chris
up. I tell ya, these guys and chicks, have the best shit there is!
Jesse is a master!
I saw these stickers that said "Free Jesse James", I bought a shirt,
and some prick said I buy from drug dealers and that Jesse was in
jail.
I havent heard or seen anything backing this up. I hope to fuck he
isnt.
Does anyone know anything about this?
p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
to fucking hear it
Larry Hardy
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"Chris" <chris.w...@bell.ca> wrote in message
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> to fucking hear it.
Yep!
he`s somebody's little bitch.
jpwinks
I haven't heard a word on the street regarding Jesse flippin'. West Coast
Choppers seems to be running status quo.
jpwinks.
98 FLHTCI
winks...@hotmail.com
'91 FXSTS (aka Second Love)
"Chris" <chris.w...@bell.ca> wrote in message
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> Jesse is a master!
I don't thnk so
>Jesse was in jail.
Wouldn't surprize me
> Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
> to fucking hear it
Sorry, too late
--
Dean
'91 FXSTS (aka Second Love)
Remove x to reply
lemmy loud
> and some prick said I buy from drug dealers
> Does anyone know anything about this?<
They were not drug dealers. Just people who are able to spot
other people who have more dollars than sense.
MANDKIM
It must be true, I saw it on the web!!!!! I have heard numerous stories as to
Jesse James is going BK, shot his ex-wifes boyfriend, and now he is a drug
dealer. Yet have yet to see anything of real proof or press.
My guess is that if it where true, there would be alot more press and some jail
time for Mr. James.
The guy is at the top of his game right now, just like Arlen Ness was years
ago. He gives off the hard core biker image and plays the part. Drug dealer?
The guy barely has time to get orders filled, even when Custom Chrome is making
and selling his fenders for him. Why sell drugs? Hell, his "over priced" pipes
are going for a grand and he still can make enough of them to fill orders. I
dont know what the profit of crack is..But I'll bet those pipes are in the same
profit ratio.
Hey if I'm wrong, ok. I havent heard a thing about that would make me believe
that it was true.
Anyone know that answer?
Stone
Larry Hardy
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> Stone
Somebody brought it up here today at the shop.
It happened a while back.
I guess we don`t here more about him in the papers because the media don`t
care.
He`s just a low life drug dealer who got caught.
Outside the Harley circle......... He`s just a punk menus to his community.
Rock and Roll custom paint and Harley shop over in Orange lost their tweaker
mechanic to an over dose
of drugs in the shop bathroom a few weeks ago.Yeh......... I think I`ll take
my Harley over there.
F##king drugs.
Jesse J.got what he deserved.
Ya better get your 1000.00 dollar hell ben`t pipes while ya can.
MANDKIM
>
>Somebody brought it up here today at the shop.
>It happened a while back.
>I guess we don`t here more about him in the papers because the media don`t
>care.
>He`s just a low life drug dealer who got caught.
>Outside the Harley circle......... He`s just a punk menus to his community.
>Rock and Roll custom paint and Harley shop over in Orange lost their tweaker
>mechanic to an over dose
>of drugs in the shop bathroom a few weeks ago.Yeh......... I think I`ll take
>my Harley over there.
>F##king drugs.
>Jesse J.got what he deserved.
>Ya better get your 1000.00 dollar hell ben`t pipes while ya can.
No Shit!!!! Your kidding!!!!
Stone
Chris
Chris
MrScottly#54
>
I find it interesting that a search of Lexus-Nexus database of Western
regional news sources for the last two years fails to turn up one
mention of an arrest of the man known as Jesse James the motorcycle
builder. Nada...........nothing.
The only thing mentioned is a drug dealer named Jesse James Davis, who
is a street level drug dealer that has a reward on his head. Oh yea,
there is a Sgt. Jesse James with LAPD quoted in a few articles.
I would think that the Jesse James we are thinking of would have gotten
some ink in a local news source.
But, Larry Hardy says it's true, so we all know it
is.................ANd I'm sure he'd be willing to assume the slander
liability.
Just a thought.
MrScottly#54
MrScottly#54
I sent the below message to West Coast Choppers so we can try to end these
rumors. I shall notify you of the reply.
MrScottly#54
.......................................................................................................
In the internet newsgroup Rec.Motorcycles.Harley, there is a discussion of
the possibility that Jesse James is in jail. This rumor was purported to
be true by a man named Larry Hardy of Hardy's Performance Techniques, a
shop in California. Can you verify this information for me?? Enclosed are
the complete headers for the original message and question, along with Mr.
hardy's response. Thank you.
Scottly
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From:
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Subject:
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"Chris" <chris.w...@bell.ca> wrote in message
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James Clark
Larry Hardy wrote:
>
> Somebody brought it up here today at the shop.
> It happened a while back.
> I guess we don`t here more about him in the papers because the media don`t
> care.
> He`s just a low life drug dealer who got caught.
> Outside the Harley circle......... He`s just a punk menus to his community.
> Rock and Roll custom paint and Harley shop over in Orange lost their tweaker
> mechanic to an over dose
> of drugs in the shop bathroom a few weeks ago.Yeh......... I think I`ll take
> my Harley over there.
> F##king drugs.
> Jesse J.got what he deserved.
> Ya better get your 1000.00 dollar hell ben`t pipes while ya can.
There was some mention of this in Aunt Gypsy's column in Thunder Press.
howard kelly
>rumors. I shall notify you of the reply.
>
>MrScottly#54
i have known Jesse for a long time (about 8 years) and while he is many
things-- a drug dealer is not one of them. There is a drug dealer in Hollywood
with the nickname Jesse James--jesse saw a good business opportunity and made
up the shirts--what is that they say about any press?
Like him or not like him, jesse is smart enough to have gotten where he
is--dealing drugs wouldnt let him do that
howard kelly
2001 fxdxt--95 or so hp
98 buell s3t (just for wheelies)
I'd do it all the same...except I'd go faster on a few of the jumps----Evel
Knievel
Scott Golden
"MrScottly#54" <sco...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> >
> snip
> I find it interesting that a search of Lexus-Nexus database of Western
> regional news sources for the last two years fails to turn up one
> mention of an arrest of the man known as Jesse James the motorcycle
> builder. Nada...........nothing.
>
> MrScottly#54
>
>
Not that this is confirmed as the same Jesse James, but here is an excerpt
from the court case (states/courts) filed January 21st 2002
OPINION: Jesse James (appellant) was charged with possession of cocaine and
possession of drug paraphernalia. Appellant made an unsuccessful motion to
suppress evidence found in a search conducted on the night he was alleged to
have committed the charged offenses. Pursuant to plea agreement, he then
pled no
contest to possession of cocaine, and the possession of drug
paraphernalia[*2]
charge was dismissed.
Appellant was placed on probation. One condition of probation was that he
serve six months in county jail. He was given 99 days of credit for time
served.
Appellant raises a single issue on appeal. He contends that the trial court
erred in failing to suppress the evidence seized on the evening of his
arrest.
We agree and reverse.
-Scott
Carl
Chris, I'd like to think that Jesse did not get in trouble simply because I
find him as a artist. Not that he is family I just hate to see someone with
his talent throw it away. But then again look at the last president we had.
To get to my point. Who are you quoting from? Please leave the thread that
your quoting from so other's who have news servers like me that sometimes
only posts the reply's can read what's going on,,,,,,thanks.....
--
Carl
99 FLSTF
Dirty Harry
> But, Larry Hardy says it's true, so we all know it
> is.................ANd I'm sure he'd be willing to assume the slander
> liability.
He's probably just euphoric since pebble boy was visiting, and
brought his knee-pads.
> Just a thought.
>
> MrScottly#54
Dirty Harry, BS#59
Joe Mama
<scott....@lexisnexis.com> wrote:
>> I find it interesting that a search of Lexus-Nexus database of Western
>> regional news sources for the last two years fails to turn up one
>> mention of an arrest of the man known as Jesse James the motorcycle
>> builder. Nada...........nothing.
> Not that this is confirmed as the same Jesse James, but here is an excerpt
> from the court case (states/courts) filed January 21st 2002
> OPINION: Jesse James (appellant) was charged with possession of cocaine and
> possession of drug paraphernalia. Appellant made an unsuccessful motion to
> suppress evidence found in a search conducted on the night he was alleged to
> have committed the charged offenses. Pursuant to plea agreement, he then
> pled no contest to possession of cocaine, and the possession of drug
> paraphernalia[*2] charge was dismissed.
> Appellant was placed on probation. One condition of probation was that he
> serve six months in county jail. He was given 99 days of credit for time
> served.
> Appellant raises a single issue on appeal. He contends that the trial court
> erred in failing to suppress the evidence seized on the evening of his
> arrest.
> We agree and reverse.
I don't see any court of jurisdiction or case number cited, not to mention
that even if it is genuine, possession of drugs/paraphernalia for personal
or "recreational" use is a far cry from possession for sale..
A user is a sickie loser. A dealer is a dirtbag loser..
-jm
1968 XLCH under construction
1984 XR-1000
1987 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas
To return mail no spam, change the reply address to:
"joemama at rarebird dot net"
David Stone
> brought his knee-pads.
> Dirty Harry, BS#59
>
>
Seeing that your so into drama, I hear that there is a new soap out that is
looking for new writers. From your posts, I see that you have what it takes
to write for the new soap. Its call "Days of white trash".
I'm sure that you could work from your trailer.
Stone
Larry Hardy
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"Scott Golden" <scott....@lexisnexis.com> wrote in message
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A Jesse James dob 12/1/55 was arrested date Unk. Booked into L.A.County
jail on 1/1/02 and was released on 1/18/02
The crime he was booked in for was ADW " NO FIRE ARM".... that`s assault
with a deadly weapon "no fire arm" was involved.
So if Jesse James of West Coast Choppers was born on 12/1/55......there ya
have it.
An arrest report will fill in all details and events leading up to the
arrest and charges for a Jesse James dob 12/1/55.
Mr Scottly#54 your a funny guy............
Tud
> Nice profound statement. You got any meat to back up those potatoes?
Who the fuck are you talking to? Are you cross-posting from a cooking
newsgroup?
Tud
Tud
> I was in Daytona for bike week, and saw the West Coast Choppers set
> up. I tell ya, these guys and chicks, have the best shit there is!
> Jesse is a master!
<snip>
> p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
> to fucking hear it
Don't have an opinion one way or another on the guy, but if you're going to
come in here and say he's the master then don't be a pussy by saying you
don't want to hear a contradictory opinion, you hypocrite.
Tud
tmgs
wrote:
>
>Chris <chris.w...@bell.ca> wrote in message
>news:2af422f0.02031...@posting.google.com...
>> Thanks for the info bro. I hope you are right.
>
>Chris, I'd like to think that Jesse did not get in trouble simply because I
>find him as a artist. Not that he is family I just hate to see someone with
>his talent throw it away. But then again look at the last president we had.
Yea he had no talent's whatsover
AH #103, SENS, BS#80, FLF <http://www.bikershut.com>
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t m g s <a t sym bo l> b e l l s o u t h <d o t> n e t
Iggy
>jail on 1/1/02 and was released on 1/18/02
>The crime he was booked in for was ADW " NO FIRE ARM".... that`s assault
>with a deadly weapon "no fire arm" was involved.
>So if Jesse James of West Coast Choppers was born on 12/1/55......there ya
>have it.
>An arrest report will fill in all details and events leading up to the
>arrest and charges for a Jesse James dob 12/1/55.
>
>
>Mr Scottly#54 your a funny guy............
>
Thank you, Scottly....Unless anyone thinks that Jesse James of West Coast
Choppers is 47 years old, I think we can pretty much close the books on this
one.
But, I can see why some people would have jumped on the bandwagon...it's much
more hip to trash a celebrity in a certain arena than it is to trash some
dime-a-dozen, lowlife, street dealer.....
Later
Iggy
'01 Dyna Super Glide
Keep your powder dry and don't let your meat-loaf. :o)
tmgs
he's a far cry from a Master.........
>
>Tud
Preacher
> A Jesse James dob 12/1/55 was arrested date Unk. Booked into L.A.County
> jail on 1/1/02 and was released on 1/18/02
> The crime he was booked in for was ADW " NO FIRE ARM".... that`s assault
> with a deadly weapon "no fire arm" was involved.
> So if Jesse James of West Coast Choppers was born on 12/1/55......there ya
> have it.
> An arrest report will fill in all details and events leading up to the
> arrest and charges for a Jesse James dob 12/1/55.
If he was born in 1955, that would put Jesse James at my age. 46 years old
(I turn 47 in July).
Now I personally don't know Jesse James (of Jesse James West Coast Choppers)
but from what I've seen and heard of him, *I* can pretty much guaranty you
that he *ain't* 46 years old! I ain't no NASA engineer but even a dumbshit
like me can guess a rough estimate of a guys age judging from all the press
he's gotten recently (with is *two* Discovery Channel specials). I could
*easily* be wrong, but somehow I really doubt it.
And *you* out of all people would have to know the answer to that, Larry.
You are in the business, you are local to the area, and *if* what you say
happened (and you have stated it as *fact* up to this point) actually did
happen, you would know about it without any doubt. At least there isn't any
doubt in *my* mind that you would know it.
Do I smell a hint of envy or jealousy, Larry? (that's a serious question,
not meant to be rhetorical at all).
Or is this all just rumor mongering? If you have got some *facts*, BRING
THEM ON!
I welcome factual news or information regarding big industry names such as
Jesse James WCC.
But spreading rumors about a person is shameful in my opinion. Unless you
come right out front and state that it is only a rumor, and should be
considered as such until proven otherwise, you're spreading trash about
someone and it appears factual.
Did you read Howard Kelly's post regarding this issue? You might look it up
if you haven't seen it.
Oh, and I wonder if yer buddy, Mmmary is going to forward your remarks to
her "friend", Jesse James?
I'll keep my opinion open on this issue until I see/hear some *facts*. Then,
and only then, I'll decide who is dirt.
Preacher
Larry Hardy
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That`s why I dug deeper .As an X cop I can find all I need to know.
When I seen the DOB it raised my own flag.
I don`t think he`s that old.Now that I have pooped my mouth off.
I better back it up...... fact or fiction. It`s going to take a little time,
a day or so.
Yes he is in our area..I have seen him out and about many times.
I have my own opinion of him and his clan. Hessian, Mongals Vago`s
HA`s........ it`s not favorable.
Jealous....no
I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
Odin
"Larry Hardy" <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote in message
> That`s why I dug deeper .As an X cop I can find all I need to know.
Same here, only I would have the decency not to slander someone until I got
all the facts. Something to do with the training I received about not
taking action until I heard both sides of the story. As an ex cop how often
did you arrest a party after hearing only one side of the story?
> When I seen the DOB it raised my own flag.
> I don`t think he`s that old.Now that I have pooped my mouth off.
> I better back it up...... fact or fiction. It`s going to take a little
time,
> a day or so.
That info would have been useful *before* you made comments about Jesse
James of West Coast Choppers.
> Yes he is in our area..I have seen him out and about many times.
> I have my own opinion of him and his clan. Hessian, Mongals Vago`s
> HA`s........ it`s not favorable.
So you automatically assume that all patch holders and their associates are
drug dealers? Cops like you are the reason that a lot of bikers hate cops.
And you made it harder for people like me who don't share your opinions.
Now that I'm a civilian with a H-D I certainly hope not to ever encounter a
cop with your attitude, especially if I'm in the company of friends who are
patch holders (yes, I have friends and acquaintences who are patch holders,
and no they aren't drug dealers to my knowledge).
> Jealous....no
The mere fact that you brought up jealousy causes me to wonder.
> I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
He seems to have a pretty cool life from what I've seen. He is doing what
he loves to do (and doing it damn well), making plenty of money and gets to
ride his bike in great weather whenever he wants to. Doesn't sound so bad
to me.
Carl
tmgs <nos...@home.com> wrote in message
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He beats on sheet steel to form tanks, fenders, and styles his own seats.
Makes his own exhausts and frames. His artistry comes from his style of mags
he draws and designs. And he has an emanation to form a different bike for
customers, but he has no talents,,,,,,,,,,,,,I don't have any ties with him
I was just asking someone to quote,,,,,,but,,,no talents, ok.
--
Carl
99 FLSTF
Don T.
>
>
> --
>
>
> "Preacher" <prea...@springmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a78bi0$dkh$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...
> > "Larry Hardy" <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote:
>
> That`s why I dug deeper .As an X cop I can find all I need to know.
> When I seen the DOB it raised my own flag.
> I don`t think he`s that old.Now that I have pooped my mouth off.
> I better back it up...... fact or fiction. It`s going to take a little
time,
> a day or so.
> Yes he is in our area..I have seen him out and about many times.
> I have my own opinion of him and his clan. Hessian, Mongals Vago`s
> HA`s........ it`s not favorable.
> Jealous....no
> I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
Hey Larry, I went to
http://www.westcoastchoppers.com/
and was checking out his pics on the hyperlink marked "Jessie".
The second one from the end is the one that I think is interesting.
It is a pic of Jessie James when he was a kid, I would say 8-12 years old.
It was dated 1979.
That would put his D.O.B around 1967-71, not 1955.
If it was 1955, that would make him around 24 years old in the pic, and he
don't look that old to me.
**Are you sure about your facts???**
Don T.- Man, I am glad that I didn't say such things.
Ironhorse
<clark35.at.a...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>
>Larry Hardy wrote:
>
>>
>> Somebody brought it up here today at the shop.
>> It happened a while back.
>> I guess we don`t here more about him in the papers because the media don`t
>> care.
>> He`s just a low life drug dealer who got caught.
>> Outside the Harley circle......... He`s just a punk menus to his community.
>> Rock and Roll custom paint and Harley shop over in Orange lost their tweaker
>> mechanic to an over dose
>> of drugs in the shop bathroom a few weeks ago.Yeh......... I think I`ll take
>> my Harley over there.
>> F##king drugs.
>> Jesse J.got what he deserved.
>> Ya better get your 1000.00 dollar hell ben`t pipes while ya can.
Piggy baqcking because ole Lumbering Larry is in the bozo bin with
wildego and stoned.
Damn Larry you just keep on getting dumber and dumber. I hope JJ takes
you to the cleaners for your little jealous slander.
Ironhorse HSB #96 SENS
96" Evo custom
2001 Ultra Classic with TLE SideCar
tmgs
wrote:
I was quoteing the comment of our last president, however I really could
care less how good a fabricator someones is, in fact if they are the
best it has no bearing on him being a Artisit, but then again art is in
the eye of the beholder, you just happen to be blind
>--
>
>
> Carl
>99 FLSTF
jpwinks
the guy. I don't have any vested or covert interest in protecting him. And
quite frankly I really don't give a shit one way or the other whether he's
been accused or guilty as charged.
That said...after all the huffing and puffing and slanderous statements that
have been passed on this subject, I have yet to see one reference, alpha or
numeric, that points to a court document or any other legal instrument,
archive or mug shot that bears proof that J.J. of WCC was accused or
convicted of any crime associated with the sale of illegal drugs.
As for: "As an X cop I can find all I need to know" All I got to say is go
find it super X cop and bring it to the table for all the world to see. You
should be able to share something that your superpowers were able to
uncover...just put it on the table. Easy, it's very easy...just put it on
the table.
jpwinks
winks...@hotmail.com
Barry L. Van Hook
>I sent the below message to West Coast Choppers so we can try to end these
>rumors. I shall notify you of the reply.
Scottly, Scottly, Scottly .... you not only stuck in the knife, you twisted
the hell out of it.
Barry #36
then shook it around a bit
Barry L. Van Hook (van...@asu.edu)
Management Department, College of Business
Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287-4006
Phone (480) 965-1217 FAX (480) 965-8314
Carl
Blind LOL,, I just have my own likes just like you. Not saying he is the
best builder I just happen to admire his creative ideas. He has a talent to
create. You don't see that part of the artist in him? Ok,,,
Carl
99 FLSTF
Roger Mauck
Hey Preacher I know one fact. Larry Hardy is a idiot. He proves it
every time he post something. I'm sure it's Larry's (un) professional
jealousy of Jesse that makes him act out like he does. I mean Jesse
creates stuff, then Larry get to bolt it on for someone.
Roger
Roger
MANDKIM
>Piggy baqcking because ole Lumbering Larry is in the bozo bin with
>wildego and stoned.
Ya, I tried to put your ass in the porkbin as well. I just couldnt fit your gut
in.
Sure we're in your killfile.....Suck it in big boy and have some control.
Stone
MrScottly#54
Larry Hardy wrote:
>
> A Jesse James dob 12/1/55 was arrested date Unk. Booked into L.A.County
> jail on 1/1/02 and was released on 1/18/02
> The crime he was booked in for was ADW " NO FIRE ARM".... that`s assault
> with a deadly weapon "no fire arm" was involved.
> So if Jesse James of West Coast Choppers was born on 12/1/55......there ya
> have it.
> An arrest report will fill in all details and events leading up to the
> arrest and charges for a Jesse James dob 12/1/55.
That makes the Jesse James person 47 years old.....................
ANd if you research what I said, the article stated that a drug dealer with a
name of Jesse James Davis(sp) was nailed.
So, Larry Hardy, me thinks you may have misconstrued your information. However,
if you read the reply I recieved from West Coast Choppers (headers included),
you will see that the rumor you have perpetuated is indeed false. So, being
that you're an upstanding business man, explain to those of us in wonder exactly
why you would perpetuate a rumor of another respected business man?
Just curious...
MrScottly#54
Roger Mauck
It's because he's a dickhead. Oops, I mean a jealous dickhead.
Roger, sometimes even I'm right!
Larry Hardy
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"Don T." <you...@whereiis.com> wrote in message
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I said "A" Jesse James DOB12 /1/55 was booked in at LA county Jail .......so
far is doesn`t seem to be him??
I don`t believe that Jesse James is his full or real name...I don`t know.
I`m not really interested in to digging into his personal history.
But I can dig around and clear his name and possibly........ I may have to
pull my foot from my mouth.
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
MrScottly#54
Larry Hardy wrote:
>
> I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
>
Ya know, I didn't understand exactly what you meant by this post, so I sent it
to the HAMC with the following note, for clarification purposes:
...............................................................................................................
I frequent the internet news group rec.motorcycles.harley, and we have some
rumors that we need to dispell.
It was reported in our group that the famed motorcycle builder Jesse James was
arrested for drug offenses. The post was copied as follows:
I was in Daytona for bike week, and saw the West Coast Choppers set
> up. I tell ya, these guys and chicks, have the best shit there is!
> Jesse is a master!
> I saw these stickers that said "Free Jesse James", I bought a shirt,
> and some prick said I buy from drug dealers and that Jesse was in
> jail.
> I havent heard or seen anything backing this up. I hope to fuck he
> isnt.
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
> to fucking hear it.
Then this rumor was supposedly justified by a gentleman named Larry Hardy of
Performance Techniques, who stated the following in his post:
>Yep!
>he`s somebody's little bitch.
Now, I sent a copy of this post to West Coast Choppers who were kind enough to
send me a reply that clearly states that Mr. James is not involved in any
illegal activity. I was glad to hear this as I and many others admire his work.
But, after posting this reply I was disturbed to see a reply from Larry Hardy
that claims a tarnished image of Jesse for hanging out with various motorcycle
clubs including your own. His reply is copied as follows:
>That`s why I dug deeper .As an X cop I can find all I need to know.
>When I seen the DOB it raised my own flag.
>I don`t think he`s that old.Now that I have pooped my mouth off.
>I better back it up...... fact or fiction. It`s going to take a little time,
>a day or so.
>Yes he is in our area..I have seen him out and about many times.
>I have my own opinion of him and his clan. Hessian, Mongals Vago`s
>HA`s........ it`s not favorable.
>Jealous....no
>I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
>Larry Hardy
>http://www.performancetechniques.com
Now I know that in the Southeastern United States, we have a group called the
Confederation of Clubs, which is a group of folks who have united to fight for
the rights of riders everywhere. With this in mind, I don't quite understand why
an association with your group would be a bad thing. I was wondering if you
could elaborate on Larry Hardy's remarks. I'm sure the group of posters in this
internet group would like to here your response, as we would like to see if Mr.
Hardy's remarks are justified.
Thank you for your time
MrScottly#54
Larry Hardy
--
Larry Hardy
Am I the best?...........Boy I guess!
http://www.performancetechniques.com
"Roger Mauck" <rma...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Roger Mauck
You mean fix it....... you dumb fuck!!.
His product and other manufacturers special construction creations are not
welcome here or at most HD dealers.
99 percent of the bikes that come through here are factory Harley`s
So if you buy a special construction....... "anybody`s" special construction
your pretty much fucked.
Unless you want to take it back to the company who goofed it up in the first
place.
You do that three or four times you loose confidence in the bike.
JJ doesn`t have one product I can use here at "Performance" techniques.
I have a friend who bought one of his "work`s of art" ??
On "TWO" occasions when I was present. He had it towed in.
After that he tried bringing a tool bag...... that didn`t get him home .
So he bought a Road King.
He tried selling his JJ "work of art" and couldn`t get 1/2 of what he paid
for it.
So he had the next best thing happen to it ?? to get most of his money
back out of it.
That`s a true story.
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> Roger
wildevo
Ironhorse wrote:
>
> Piggy baqcking because ole Lumbering Larry is in the bozo bin with
> wildego and stoned.
>
Addressed to Ironhorse (Pork Belly).
And your just getting fatter and fatter.
I take it that you know Jesse personally?
wildevo
wildevo
MrScottly#54 wrote:
> Larry Hardy wrote:
>
> >
> > I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
> >
>
> Ya know, I didn't understand exactly what you meant by this post, so I sent it
> to the HAMC with the following note, for clarification purposes:
> ...............................................................................................................
Scottly the prick.
The prick that fucks with young children and it has been proven.
wildevo
Larry Hardy
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"Odin" <odin....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Your comment on patch holders. The only ones I have a beware sign for are
the ones I mentioned previously .
Their ranks run in LA and Orange County pretty thick .All clubs mentioned
have been caught up in bike theft rings
at one time or another.
You can`t deny that...that alone should put them at the front of your beware
list.
All patch holders of the previously mentioned are very much aware of what
goes on in their own ranks.
So their all guilty by association.
As for drugs.I hope it lands them on their head on a lonely highway
someware.
Larry
PT
Odin
"Larry Hardy" <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote in message
>
> Your comment on patch holders. The only ones I have a beware sign
for are
> the ones I mentioned previously .
You judge the entire club yet you don't have first hand knowledge of
the people you accuse. I don't share your opinions. I will agree
that the majority of 1% patch holders tend to have less respect for
the laws than the average citizen, and that many 1% club members earn
money via vehicle theft, prostitution and meth sales. But that
doesn't mean that I go around accusing individuals who may associate
with 1%'ers as drug dealers. There are more drug dealers in this
country who are *not* bikers than there are biker drug dealers. As an
ex cop you should have been taught to judge every situation on the
known facts, not to jump to conclusions before you know what's going
on.
> Their ranks run in LA and Orange County pretty thick .All clubs
mentioned
> have been caught up in bike theft rings
> at one time or another.
Lot's of black kids from the ghetto have been caught up in auto theft
rings but I don't go around calling everyone who hangs out with them
thieves - as a cop your attitude applied towards any group other than
bikers would have earned you an IAD complaint or lawsuit where I come
from. Lucky for you the bikers you refer to (Hessians, Mongols,
Vago's and Hells Angels) are mostly white so it's acceptable to talk
shit about them. And I don't go around calling people who hang out
with 1%'er thieves or drug dealers. Your hatred of bikers leads you
to accuse anyone who associates with bikers as criminals. I've known
some criminal cops, too, but I don't accuse them all of being
criminal.
> You can`t deny that...that alone should put them at the front of
your beware
> list.
Everyone is at the front of my "beware list" until I know them, but I
don't throw accusations around as lightly as you do.
> All patch holders of the previously mentioned are very much aware of
what
> goes on in their own ranks.
Even if that were true (and you can't prove that) it would be
irrelevant to Jesse James.
> So their all guilty by association.
Not true. Mere knowledge of a third party's criminal actions is not a
criminal act in and of itself. Weren't you supposed to be an ex cop?
> As for drugs.I hope it lands them on their head on a lonely highway
> someware.
Alcohol is more likely to do that.
Look, I ain't trying to start a shit slinging contest with you, but I
take exception to your unsupported accusations about someone you don't
even know (Jesse James). If you'll accuse one stranger of being a
criminal what's to stop you from accusing me of being a criminal?
Larry Hardy
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"Odin" <res0...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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First I don`t know you so ya got the benefit of the doubt.
Let`s try this..........next time you see a group of quote...... "out law
bikers".
Park your bike right in the middle of them.
One of two things will happen Your either going to loose it or it will
end up upside down resting on the bars and seat.
Here is a true story
A few years ago in palm springs at an event.
It was about 2:30 in the morning. As my buddy an "off duty cop" came around
the corner.
Our bikes were the only two bikes on the street. In front of them was an old
pick up with the tail gate down.
I said to my friend what do we have here. We new we had a prob in the
wing`s.
As we got about 20 yards from the bikes I noticed our helmets and my 500.00
dollar seat was missing.
I asked him if he could see anybody .At the time we couldn`t . As we got
closer to the bike`s and truck.
I spotted my seat in the back of the truck. I said get your gun ready they
can`t be far.
We walked by the bikes and as I got to the truck door I opened it.
Out of the dark from against the wall between the bushes came four patch
holders of one of my favorite groups.
Yelling hey.......... That`s my fucking truck mother fucker. I said Oh, it
look`s like mine.
They had our helmets in their hands.
My buddy pulled his gun and ID`d himself .I pulled my cell phone and held
like a weapon and got them on the ground.
I called the PSPD . We couldn`t prove the theft of the seat and helmets
They said they found everything on the sidewalk.
Anyway it was enough P.C.to search them for weapons. During the police`s
field interrogation.three were arrested for possession. The fourth was let
go. The truck was towed to impound
We had to go down to the station and fill out an incident report. My friend
was cleared for pulling his weapon. During the interrogation they said we
both pulled weapons and forced them on the ground.
One of the cops came over and asked if I was a cop too .
I said not anymore. He asked .....do you have a weapon under your coat. I
said no. The cop said ......They said you both pulled weapons. I said nope
just my cell phone.When he herd it clear the plastic holder he smiled and
said pretty smart .
End of story
I have been in this business for a long time now.
I can`t even count how many times I have herd the stolen bike story.
So I have a right to be Bios or profiling I have been there....... a few
different way`s.
So you guy`s can walk around like Charlie Chaplin oblivious to what`s around
you in this industry.
So I may step on my dick from time to time .But by God knowbody is going to
take it from me.
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
Odin
"Larry Hardy" <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote in message
> Let`s try this..........next time you see a group of quote......
"out law
> bikers".
> Park your bike right in the middle of them.
Now why would I want to do that? If the group is obviously a "group"
then my actions would be an intrusion and would likely be seen a
antagonstic. Personally, I would simply pull my bike to the side and
go about my business. We have 1%'er clubs around Dallas too and I've
never had any problems with them. In fact, Saturday night a guy
wearing Bandidos colors bought me 2 beers and I'd never seen the guy
before. We were playing a gig and when I came off stage at break we
briefly spoke and he asked what I was drinking. He didn't pull any
macho shit and I didn't either. We talked for a while, drank some
beer and I went back on stage. I've personally encountered countless
patch holders in my life around bike shops, bars, events, gigs, etc
and I've never had a patch holder be anything but pleasant with me.
Maybe it's because I don't go around acting like a badass and talking
shit, maybe it's because I'm in the band and they talk to me for that
reason, etc...but I figure that as long as I'm not intruding on their
business then I don't have anything to fear. They're fucking bikers,
not mass murderers looking for their next victim. Treat them with
respect and you'll likely get respect back. BTW, these things were
also taught in the academy, right? Instead of treating bikers like
known suspects, try treating them like fellow citizens until they
prove otherwise. You're not a cop anymore so what do you care what
the bikers do in their personal time?
> One of two things will happen Your either going to loose it or it
will
> end up upside down resting on the bars and seat.
See above. Treat patch holders with respect (or ignore them) and
you'll not have any problems in my experiences. Cop and attitude and
you're on your own.
> Here is a true story
<snip story of patch holder stealing bike parts>
> End of story
OK, so there were some bikers who were thieves. I would simply draw
my weapon and hold them until a local patrol element could take over.
If 4 suspects vs. me became aggressive I would be force to wound or
kill them. They're thieves caught in the act of a felony so I would
treat them as such. And the next day if I saw some bikers I wouldn't
hold the actions of others against them. Now if the problems that you
have encountered have all been with a particular club then my
suggestions would be to avoid this club. Some clubs are no more than
criminal enterprises and should be avoided, but since they wear a big
fucking patch they should be pretty easy to avoid, right?
> I have been in this business for a long time now.
> I can`t even count how many times I have herd the stolen bike story.
Harley's are stolen constantly. By all types of individuals. It
sucks.
> So I have a right to be Bios or profiling I have been there....... a
few
> different way`s.
> So you guy`s can walk around like Charlie Chaplin oblivious to
what`s around
> you in this industry.
I'm not oblivious to crime, I'm just smart enough to avoid starting
confrontations with groups of patch holders or accusing strangers of
felonious activities.
> So I may step on my dick from time to time .But by God knowbody is
going to
> take it from me.
Nobody wants to take it. You're a bit high strung. I don't know
about you, but law enforcement work simply made me more laid back
about the realization that I should not worry about the things I
cannot change, and that any situation can be escalated or
de-escalated. In law enforcement you are trained in the "force
continuum" which teaches you when to escalate a situation and when to
de-escalate a situation. If you worked in a major city PD then you
should have learned that often times de-escalation is the answer. Why
increase tension when you can diffuse the situation without the use of
force? Your accusatory words are akin to increasing the force used
against the subject and they lead to increased tension. Have a beer
and mellow out.
Larry Hardy
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"Odin" <res0...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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All good points
Trust me I don`t go looking for trouble.But I have a little stake in this
industry.
I see, here and know allot of things . I have had thing`s happen to me over
the years.
This having to do with break-ins to my business. They caught one piece of
shit down the street sleeping in a motor home.
Hands freshly cut from the glass from the shop door.
They couldn`t find the heads and cyl`s taken from a display counter. But he
got arrested for Meth possession.
He happened to be the brother of the motor cyle import business just over
the tracks from my business.
What was he doing a building away from mine. The only reason he got caught,
someone driving by herd the alarm
and spotted him getting in the motor home at 3:00 in the morn. The witness
parked down the street and waited until the police showed up. Then informed
them of the guy pretending to be sleeping in the motor home.
So thing`s like this and others that keep`s me on hi alert. Don`t think for
a second when a group of certain patch holder`s show up.I'm not out standing
around our bikes....... wrong.
There has been a few times I have been off to the side when a dirty Bastard
was hovering over my bike.
They look around and ask if it was my bike. I just said yeh it is..... and
off the gooooooo.
I know what it`s all about out there.
When you get your first lesson...... you`ll wise up.
I could go on and on......
Going home
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
MANDKIM
>that the majority of 1% patch holders tend to have less respect for
>the laws than the average citizen, and that many 1% club members earn
>money via vehicle theft, prostitution
>and meth sales. But that
>with 1%'ers as drug dealers.
Oh my god!!! Is anyone reading this the same way I'm reading this........(as
Len would say) BWAAAAAAAAA!
Stone
Odin
"MANDKIM" <man...@aol.com> wrote in message
I wrote it in English so you don't need to translate it. It simply says
that I don't convict people based on their associates. I judge people based
on the individual.
Merrell Wasson
wrote:
>In article <3C973D6F...@prodigy.net> MrScottly#54 <sco...@prodigy.net> writes:
>
>>I sent the below message to West Coast Choppers so we can try to end these
>>rumors. I shall notify you of the reply.
>
>Scottly, Scottly, Scottly .... you not only stuck in the knife, you twisted
>the hell out of it.
>
>Barry #36
>then shook it around a bit
Hell, #36, that's what #54 is famous for. Stirring the pot, I mean.
they don't call him mix master for nothing.
Easy, #39
"the secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go."
91 FXSTS
The only parts that should be left over are the ones you've replaced!
Larry Hardy <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote in message
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Fucking Hardy. If the last lines of your post indicate *your friend* had
the bike stolen/disappeared/destroyed, then you are friends with a criminal.
And using your 'guilt by association' logic, that makes you a criminal also.
Now that's not my logic, but yours. I just think you're brain dead. So
don't go suing me for calling you a criminal.
But your friends are no better than the bikers you disparage, according to
your logic (which I do NOT agree with).
Talk about a stupid, hypocritical dumbass.
You are fucking unbelievable!
I have no love for JJ but I hope he sues your ass off
--
Dean
'91 FXSTS (aka Second Love)
All the rest gone but not forgotten
'80 FXE - The headache
'94 Suzuki Intruder
'80 XS1100
'75 GL1000
'79 XS1100 Special - Ah, the memories
'78 XS750 Triple
and numerous other ones
Larry Hardy
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"91 FXSTS" <Dean...@xrcn.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> The only parts that should be left over are the ones you've replaced!
> Larry Hardy <la...@performancetechniques.com> wrote in message
> news:u9ftp2k...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> > --
> > >
> >
People will do thing`s without really thinking it through.
I was surprised he did it......That`s his business.
If he would have asked for help or advice. He would have been on his own.
I also would have not wanted to here his plan.
I shared a story I new first hand.
I shared Information about JJ from a good second hand source backed by
others
...........Shame on me at this time.
This :rumor" was the Buzz a few months ago. It went around like inside
trading and died away..... apparently false.
I should have stuck to my own philosophy.
"Believe nothing you here and half of what you see".
So me and my Big mouth.......that`s what I get.
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
Dave Nichols
<snipped a lot of anti-JJ shit>
I don't really give a jolly shit about Jesse James work
or his relations with patch holders and such.
What I do look at is the integrity of the people I consider
doing business with.
I am far more concerned with performance than pretty
sheet metal. That said, one would think I would be more
interested in your business in as much as I'm in San DIego
an a potential client.
Think again Larry. The garbage campaign you are waging
here in the VB&G against Jesse has guaranteed that I would
never consider you as a potential source of performance
work or technique.
Am I a person who is willing to pay for performance? Hell yes!
I just had a set of heads worked and am looking forward to the
results within the week. This means I have a set of stock heads
begging to be given the cinderella treatment.
Sorry Larry, you have this week taken yourself out of the running
for any opportunity in this regard.
Were you ever in the running? You damn well better believe it.
I've been to your website many times. You sank yourself in the
last week dude. Be sure, I'm spreading my feelings of your
business practices anywhere a fertile seed might fall.
Drop this thread while there are a few folk not totally alienated by
your asinine business practices.
--
Dave Nichols BS#163
'99 FXSTB "City of New Orleans"
dmnichol at cox dot net
Chris
> Chris wrote...
> > I was in Daytona for bike week, and saw the West Coast Choppers set
> > up. I tell ya, these guys and chicks, have the best shit there is!
> > Jesse is a master!
>
>
> > p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
> > to fucking hear it
>
> come in here and say he's the master then don't be a pussy by saying you
> don't want to hear a contradictory opinion, you hypocrite.
>
> Tud
Thanks, for replying with this intelligent quip. If you have no
opinion, why are you here?
Chris
Thanks for this info. this is the best post here. I am glad to see an
articulate individual out there. I believe (not that I know him, just
from what I have learned about WCC) that Jesse wouldnt be involved in
anything like this. I just wanted to clear the rumors, and find out
what the stickers were about. Maybe I shouldnt have started this, I
may be fueling the proverbial fire. the last thing I would want to do
is start any more BS then is already going on here. Like I said I just
wanted to disparrage any rumors, but it seems al I have begun here is
an exercise in futility. Thanks.
Tud
> Like I said I just
> wanted to disparrage any rumors, but it seems al I have begun here is
> an exercise in futility. Thanks.
You've seen the photos, futility is the only form of exercise most of us
get. <g>
Tud
Tud
> "Tud" wrote...
> > Chris wrote...
> > > I was in Daytona for bike week, and saw the West Coast Choppers set
> > > up. I tell ya, these guys and chicks, have the best shit there is!
> > > Jesse is a master!
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
> > > to fucking hear it
> >
> > Don't have an opinion one way or another on the guy, but if you're going
to
> > come in here and say he's the master then don't be a pussy by saying you
> > don't want to hear a contradictory opinion, you hypocrite.
> >
> > Tud
>
> Thanks, for replying with this intelligent quip. If you have no
> opinion, why are you here?
Enjoying the weather.
Tud
tmgs
>"Tud" <tud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<a7875s$jfalg$1...@ID-126528.news.dfncis.de>...
>>
>> > p.s. Please dont reply with any Jesse bashing info cause I dont want
>> > to fucking hear it
>>
>> Don't have an opinion one way or another on the guy, but if you're going to
>> come in here and say he's the master then don't be a pussy by saying you
>> don't want to hear a contradictory opinion, you hypocrite.
>>
>> Tud
>
> Thanks, for replying with this intelligent quip. If you have no
>opinion, why are you here?
Tp point out your idiotic post above, Like Tud says if you don't want to
hear any difference of opinoins keep your own to yourself, that;s the
only way to be sure you won't hear what you don't want to.
Buffalo
> That`s why I dug deeper .As an X cop I can find all I need to know.
Well Larry, you just blew it with me on tqwo counts (not that it matters but I
have never put you down in anyway) That is until now..
You're an X Cop.. No you are a former Cop that would fu** over anyone to your
fu**ing Blue Buddys out there.. There is no more trust here from me..
> I have my own opinion of him and his clan. Hessian, Mongals Vago`s
> HA`s........ it`s not favorable.
Now you are talking like you have a REAL death wish..or you are just plain NUTS!
Putting him and four clubs down all at once..You need serious help Bud..
> Jealous....no I wouldn`t want to be in JJ`s shoes for love nor money.
No huh? but you would sure love the money he generates I bet. Not to worry,
after this stupidity I doubt we'll be hearing from you to often.. I'll send
flowers if you want..
wPm
--
S&B Enterprises Sunland,CA
email buff...@attbi.com
... the mountains are calling and I must go... <J. Muir>
Buffalo
>
> First I don`t know you so ya got the benefit of the doubt.
>
> Let`s try this..........next time you see a group of quote...... "out law
> bikers".
> Park your bike right in the middle of them.
> One of two things will happen Your either going to loose it or it will
> end up upside down resting on the bars and seat.
Damn Larry you're like that fu**ing battery Bunny..You just keep going and
going..You Sir are truely FULL OF SHIT! I and friends have been to every type of
biker gathering you can name..and never NOT ONCE were we treated with anything
but respect. Perhaps it's the way we handle ourselves Whatcha think?
In the old days I would have snatched your bike and biked your snatch.. Believe
it Never met nor wanted to meet a Cop like you.
Buffalo
> Oh my god!!! Is anyone reading this the same way I'm reading this........(as
> Len would say) BWAAAAAAAAA!
FU**ING incredible ain't it? They wonder why folks in the LA area hate their
damn Cops so much..Have you met Andy Hardy errrr ummm Larry Hardy here? Must be
a Rampart reject..
I have never heard such BS from anyone..