Using Car motor oil in a Harley????
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
years without any problems. Now I see Mobile 1 has a new synthetic
called "Mobile 1 (20-50) V Twin Synthetic". Obviously marketed toward
the Harley crowd. I was just at the local AutoZone and they had the new
"Mobile 1 V Twin" oil at $7.83 a quart while the old Mobile 1 is priced
at $3.99 quart.
So, my question is this: Does anyone have any proof that car oil is any
different Vs. motorcycle oil when used in a Harley. I have always taken
the position that "motorcycle oil" was just a marketing ploy to get us
to pay $4.50 a quart for Harley 20-50 oil that is the same thing as the
$1 a quart oil that we can buy at the local auto parts store. The local
Harley mechanics have told me all kinds of stories about why you have to
use Harley oil. Things like "Harley oil has special ingredients to work
best with the crank needle bearing" or "air cooled engines need
different oil than water cooled motors" or "Harley oil has special
sludge inhibitors" etc.. Porsche does not require the use of any
special oil in their air cooled engines. So, what do you guys think? Are
we being snowed? Is this the big bend over, or is Harley motorcycle
oil/motorcycle oil really different and better for your HOG?
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Jinks
<bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
>years without any problems.
The first sentence kinda answered *all* the others in this post, but,
what the hell. I'm just pissin' away time while the varnish dries....
>Now I see Mobile 1 has a new synthetic
>called "Mobile 1 (20-50) V Twin Synthetic". Obviously marketed toward
>the Harley crowd. I was just at the local AutoZone and they had the new
>"Mobile 1 V Twin" oil at $7.83 a quart while the old Mobile 1 is priced
>at $3.99 quart.
>
>So, my question is this: Does anyone have any proof that car oil is any
>different Vs. motorcycle oil when used in a Harley.
Yeah, the proof is right there on the container. It's $3.84
different.
>I have always taken
>the position that "motorcycle oil" was just a marketing ploy to get us
>to pay $4.50 a quart for Harley 20-50 oil that is the same thing as the
>$1 a quart oil that we can buy at the local auto parts store. The local
>Harley mechanics have told me all kinds of stories about why you have to
>use Harley oil. Things like "Harley oil has special ingredients to work
>best with the crank needle bearing" or "air cooled engines need
>different oil than water cooled motors" or "Harley oil has special
>sludge inhibitors" etc..
When someone tells you that, take a look on his shelves. What is he
selling? "Motorcycle oil", or Mobil, or Castrol, or ??? Do you
*expect* him to tell you "I sell *Motorcycle oil*, but you'd do just
as well taking your money down the street & buying the less expensive
stuff"?
> Porsche does not require the use of any
>special oil in their air cooled engines. So, what do you guys think? Are
>we being snowed?
I'm not..........
>Is this the big bend over, or is Harley motorcycle
>oil/motorcycle oil really different and better for your HOG?
I don't talk to shop people about oil products, unless they bring it
up, because of nonsense like that. I had a couple of them tell me
that the Castrol 20/50 I was using in my bike would wreck the motor, &
when they found out I use the same stuff in the primary they nearly
had a coronary! I'm *sure* that when I do have to replace the
original clutch on my 12 year old bike someone will say, "I told you
that if you used 20/50 your clutch would slip". Eventually he'll be
right.
Jinks ('86fxrs)
#64
Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"
Hemipower
In article <SuqW1.2814$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3 Fingers\"
Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> writes:
>I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
>years without any problems.
Cool,the ole oil thread has popped it head again.
It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
Hemipower
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Stroker ACE.
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"Failure Is Only The Opportunity To More Intelligently Begin
Again"- Henry Ford
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
truth about which oil you should use in your bike, then how can you
trust him to tell you the truth about anything? That means when you tell
him you want to spend $1500 for added HP, he will only tell you about
the stuff he makes the most profit on and advise you that this would be
the best choice. Just imagine, any question you ask your Harley shop
dude could be applied to what gives him the most profit. The fact is
that they have been brainwashed by presentations at these Harley dealer
shows or news letters. They are told these untruths about oil. And they
believe what they hear. They come back and tell the same thing to us.
Everything you said is well and good, but I still wonder if there if
proof. Someone has to have tested these oils to see if there is any
difference at all. I agree with what you are saying. I think common
sense tells us that we are correct. But, I want concrete proof as in a
laboratory test and not the test that Billy Joe Bubba Bob's bike has run
70,000 trouble free miles using Castrol 20-50.
So, I still ask. Does anyone have proof?
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Jinks wrote in message <362a3c86...@news.jax.bellsouth.net>...
|When someone tells you that, take a look on his shelves. What is he
|selling? "Motorcycle oil", or Mobil, or Castrol, or ??? Do you
|*expect* him to tell you "I sell *Motorcycle oil*, but you'd do just
|as well taking your money down the street & buying the less expensive
|stuff"?
Joe Mama
>> I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have
>> for years without any problems.
> Cool,the ole oil thread has popped it head again.
> It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
Guns? Oh yeah. Y'know, this reminds me of the time when......
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flathead) that I really wanted from dad's estate were guns.....
barkeep y'all might as well set the keg over here , this is gonna get good ,
'n I don't wanna miss anything...
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Joe Mama wrote in message <3629A6...@rarebird.net>...
Don Nelson
Extensive testing and lab analysis were done. I couldn't find the link but
I do have it in Word format. No WAY would I post it here as a binary but
would be happy to email it to anybody who is interested.
Don Nelson
Don Nelson
specific brands offered any benefit at all and in fact, Mobile One proved to
be superior.
Don Nelson
Don Nelson wrote in message <70dq2v$7j5$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
Bruce
Hemipower wrote:
> In article <SuqW1.2814$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3 Fingers\"
> Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> writes:
>
> >I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
> >years without any problems.
>
> Cool,the ole oil thread has popped it head again.
> It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
>
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
bja...@home.com
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Don Nelson wrote in message <70dq2v$7j5$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
Joe Mama
> By the way, the end summary of the report was that none of the
> motorcycle specific brands offered any benefit at all and in fact,
> Mobile One proved to be superior.
I always used Chevron 50w ashless dispersant aviation oil in my old
knucklehead. It didn't break down under "hard service" as the other
oils would, but don't confuse it for aviation mineral oil, cuz you
definitely don't want to use this in a motorcycle..
sy...@a-c.in.net
BJ>years without any problems. Now I see Mobile 1 has a new synthetic
BJ>called "Mobile 1 (20-50) V Twin Synthetic". Obviously marketed toward
BJ>the Harley crowd. I was just at the local AutoZone and they had the new
BJ>"Mobile 1 V Twin" oil at $7.83 a quart while the old Mobile 1 is priced
BJ>at $3.99 quart.
BJ>So, my question is this: Does anyone have any proof that car oil is any
BJ>different Vs. motorcycle oil when used in a Harley. I have always taken
BJ>the position that "motorcycle oil" was just a marketing ploy to get us
BJ>to pay $4.50 a quart for Harley 20-50 oil that is the same thing as the
BJ>$1 a quart oil that we can buy at the local auto parts store. The local
BJ>Harley mechanics have told me all kinds of stories about why you have to
BJ>use Harley oil. Things like "Harley oil has special ingredients to work
BJ>best with the crank needle bearing" or "air cooled engines need
BJ>different oil than water cooled motors" or "Harley oil has special
BJ>sludge inhibitors" etc.. Porsche does not require the use of any
BJ>special oil in their air cooled engines. So, what do you guys think? Are
BJ>we being snowed? Is this the big bend over, or is Harley motorcycle
BJ>oil/motorcycle oil really different and better for your HOG?
BJ>Regards,
BJ>Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
1st. Harley oil is made by Sun Oil Co.
2nd. Harley Recommends if you are out someplace and can not get
to a dealership to purchase oil that you use a DIESEL oil. The newer FI
bikes coming onto the market make a LOT more heat.. Each one of ours
that was sitting in line for the parade thru York overheated long before
any Carb. model did.
3rd.. the only auto i know that the manufactour recommends Mobil
one for is the Corvette.
4th. an Internal combustion engine is not the same as a turbine,
which synthetic's were developed for. You will have a constant blowby
which polutes the oil regardless. Thus you are still left with haveing
to change it and the filter at recommended intervals.. costing you more
than using any Harley oil.
5th.. their is a free market.. all products beat their own chests
it's left up to you to decide where you want to spend your money.. be
aware that oil pressure WILL drop.. flow should not be affected. a FI
bike is set so the red oil light comes on at .5 PSIA
Byron
'98 FLHTCUI anniv
no spell checker.. putting that money into more chrome :)
Sent on 18-OCT-98 (19:40:24)EST: <A HREF="http://www.A-C.In.Net">A-C.In.NET</A>
Hawgeye
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
>Well, if you can't trust your mechanic or parts guy to tell you the
>truth about which oil you should use in your bike, then how can you
>trust him to tell you the truth about anything?
snip
But, I want concrete proof as in a
>laboratory test and not the test that Billy Joe Bubba Bob's bike has run
70,000 trouble free miles using Castrol 20-50.
>
>So, I still ask. Does anyone have proof?
Then Don Nelson wrote....
>Motorcycle Consumer News did a great report on the different oils.
>Extensive testing and lab analysis were done. I couldn't find the link
>but I do have it in Word format. No WAY would I post it here as a >binary
but would be happy to email it to anybody who is interested.
Ok, I thought I'd never get in on an oil thread, but I was just waiting for
Jinks' varnish to dry.
Bret, you shouldn't trust anyone for advice that is potentially on the
receiving end of your $$$. I think Don Nelson may have the proof your
looking for. (Don I would like a copy of that report please.)
IMHO, if you change your oil every 2500 miles and you don't ride the bike
hard, then any oil of the proper viscosity, synthetic or for air-cooled
motors (if we're talking an air-cooled motor) will be OK. How you ride, the
environment you ride in not to mention the competence of the person who put
the motor together and the quality of the parts used will have an effect on
how long your motor lasts.
IOW it's all a gamble. If you've done your part to maintain the bike and
the motor goes while not under warranty then it becomes a finger pointing
party on who or what was to blame. Unfortunately you end up paying.
Is the varnish dry yet?
Hawgeye (re-modeled) home page:
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/hawgeye
RMH FAQ page:
http://www.execpc.com/~jschwarz/rmhFAQmenu.html
Hemipower
In article <362A6D16...@lvcablemodem.com>, Bruce <bn...@lvcablemodem.com>
writes:
>I like Bazooka gum. And you get a comic to boot!
Thats gun thread,gun thread. Not GUM thread,but thanks for playing.
Don pardoe has some parting gifts for you,if you choose the right door.<sg>
>Hemipower wrote:
>
>> In article <SuqW1.2814$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3
>Fingers\"
>> Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> writes:
>>
>> >I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
Jinks
<bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>Well, if you can't trust your mechanic or parts guy to tell you the
>truth about which oil you should use in your bike, then how can you
>trust him to tell you the truth about anything? That means when you tell
>him you want to spend $1500 for added HP, he will only tell you about
>the stuff he makes the most profit on and advise you that this would be
>the best choice. Just imagine, any question you ask your Harley shop
>dude could be applied to what gives him the most profit.
Now you're getting the picture!
>The fact is that they have been brainwashed by presentations at these Harley dealer
>shows or news letters. They are told these untruths about oil. And they
>believe what they hear. They come back and tell the same thing to us.
>
>Everything you said is well and good, but I still wonder if there if
>proof. Someone has to have tested these oils to see if there is any
>difference at all. I agree with what you are saying. I think common
>sense tells us that we are correct. But, I want concrete proof as in a
>laboratory test and not the test that Billy Joe Bubba Bob's bike has run
>70,000 trouble free miles using Castrol 20-50.
Actually *anybody* that gets 70,000 trouble free miles *is* proof that
what they are doing (and using) works (makes no difference how many
first names he has).
>So, I still ask. Does anyone have proof?
Yeah, there are bunches of reports on oil, snake oil, & oil additives.
They all say about the same thing. Run a search in Infoseek or Yahoo
on oil.
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
oil changes. I change my synthetic oil every 2500 miles. I use it
because it can take higher operating temperatures before it breaks down.
Also it can go 3 times as long before it loses 25% of it's viscosity
(800 miles for conventional oil vs. 2500 miles for Mobile 1). Basically
a 50 weight oil will become a 33 weight oil after 800 miles if you use
conventional oil. So on that 90 degree day after you've put 2000 miles
on your conventional 20-50 oil, you have got an effective weight of
about 33 or much less. That is not very comforting to me on a hot day.
You guys should get Don to email you the oil report. It has lots of
great information on this topic.
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| 4th. an Internal combustion engine is not the same as a turbine,
|which synthetic's were developed for. You will have a constant blowby
|which polutes the oil regardless. Thus you are still left with haveing
|to change it and the filter at recommended intervals.. costing you more
|than using any Harley oil.
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
internal combustion engine lubrication requirements for the rest of my
life on your say so. Ok folks, Jinks has used Castrol for 14 years
without any problems. That solves that query.
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Jinks wrote in message <362a92bb...@news.jax.bellsouth.net>...
Wayne Fernandez
<VIxW1.3028$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>...
> Fine, I'll trust my engines longevity to your word and base all my
> internal combustion engine lubrication requirements for the rest of my
> life on your say so. Ok folks, Jinks has used Castrol for 14 years
> without any problems. That solves that query.
What a friggin dope! The only way this dip can tell shit from chocolate is
to taste it and he is ragging on someone that was trying to express an on
point experience. WHO LEFT THE IDIOT DOOR OPEN?
--
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AH52
Wayne Fernandez
> The reason I use synthetic is not because of the increased span between
> oil changes. I change my synthetic oil every 2500 miles. I use it
> because it can take higher operating temperatures before it breaks down.
> Also it can go 3 times as long before it loses 25% of it's viscosity
> (800 miles for conventional oil vs. 2500 miles for Mobile 1). Basically
> a 50 weight oil will become a 33 weight oil after 800 miles if you use
> conventional oil. So on that 90 degree day after you've put 2000 miles
> on your conventional 20-50 oil, you have got an effective weight of
> about 33 or much less. That is not very comforting to me on a hot day.
>
> You guys should get Don to email you the oil report. It has lots of
> great information on this topic.
Lordy lord - he just read the oil report and now he is an expert. Quick,
somebody mail him something on contraception before he reproduces.
--
MWF
AH52
hawg...@my-dejanews.com
"Brett \"3 Fingers\" Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
>
> So, my question is this: Does anyone have any proof that car oil is any
>
Ok, this fight has been going on forever. I personally have used Mobil-1
15-50 (car oil) for over 10 years and swear by it. But, since I've heard as
many different answers as there are brands of oil, I want an unbiased,
educated answer from professionals in the field. So, I just emailed a friend
that did his PhD. in petro-chemical engineering at Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute in New York, and sent him a copy of this post. As soon as I hear
back, I'll post his reply to this group.
Any one else out there know of people in this, or connected fields that we can
query to gather as much information as possible, and settle this question once
and for all? And I want unbiased people, not connected to any petro-chemical
company, to give this information. Lets all pull together, and share with the
group what we find.
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Snarl67
In message-id: <70e9pl$a9i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
hawg...@my-dejanews.com, does the unmentionable and discusses:
<whackage>
>Any one else out there know of people in this, or connected fields that we
>can
>query to gather as much information as possible, and settle this question
>once
>and for all? And I want unbiased people, not connected to any petro-chemical
>company, to give this information. Lets all pull together, and share with
>the
>group what we find.
Instead of trying to reinvent the round thang (wheel) just go do a fuckin'
dejanews search on this, drug through the anals of rmh forever, oil thread.
It's all there, been said, been discussed, ad nauseum, been there done that.
In other words, take it the fuck out of here. We're sick of it, had enough,
listened to it, waded though 1,000's of posts on it, sick of some new fucknuts
bringin' it up flaky ass thread that it is.
Use baby oil, seal oil, diluted whale blubber, bark sap, underware squeezins,
dust, marbles, or any mixture thereof. Just PLEASE don't go into another
fuckin' oil thread,.
Thank you, thank you very much.
There's only one word that hasn't been used except, lisughbvkuhoybvkl,
discussing this bullshit, and now it's even been used too.
Snarl...the "I wonder how many of yas figured that one out" Asshole(tm)
Snarl AH#67, BS#37
1937 EL
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Jinks
<wayne.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Wayne, Cut the guy some slack. He's new, don't know how old the oil
threads are, & took the reply wrong. I'm just tuggin on the line now
that I've hooked him. I'll throw 'im back, he ain't even pan size.
Besides, would You want to go hunting your own oil facts if you had to
type with only "3 Fingers"??
The varnish is dry, the new hardware is on, & the doors look great.
Guess I should see if I can retrieve my hook & row away gracefully.
Sorry all for prolonging *another* oil thread......
Jinks
<bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>Fine, I'll trust my engines longevity to your word and base all my
>internal combustion engine lubrication requirements for the rest of my
>life on your say so. Ok folks, Jinks has used Castrol for 14 years
>without any problems. That solves that query.
OK Brett,
The varnish is dry, & I gotta get my hook back. I appreciate
you taking my word for it, makes me feel kinda special, but read
Snarl67's post on the subject.
I really was waitin' around for varnish to dry & wanted to
have some fun. Sorry if I annoyed you. Have a drink on me, & quit
floppin around on the bar like that! You're splashin water on
everyone.
Tim Moore
> I always used Chevron 50w ashless dispersant aviation oil in my old
> knucklehead. It didn't break down under "hard service" as the other
> oils would, but don't confuse it for aviation mineral oil, cuz you
> definitely don't want to use this in a motorcycle..
This is a bit confusing - I think you mean that you use the Chevron 50w
ashless aviation oil - and don't use aviation mineral oil. True, the
mineral oil will not suspend the particles as the ashless dispesant
does. The aviation mineral is used for new airplane engine break-in only
and for breaking in a new jug.
I use 15w-50 shell aviation oil in my Piper --- never thought about
using it in the HD. Both are air cooled........
--
- Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
hawg...@my-dejanews.com
sna...@aol.com (Snarl67) wrote:
> On: 10/18/98 9:56 PM EST
> In message-id: <70e9pl$a9i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
> hawg...@my-dejanews.com, does the unmentionable and discusses:
>
>
> Instead of trying to reinvent the round thang (wheel) just go do a fuckin'
> dejanews search on this, drug through the anals of rmh forever, oil thread.
> It's all there, been said, been discussed, ad nauseum, been there done that.
>
> In other words, take it the fuck out of here. We're sick of it, had enough,
> listened to it, waded though 1,000's of posts on it, sick of some new fucknuts
> bringin' it up flaky ass thread that it is.
>
> Use baby oil, seal oil, diluted whale blubber, bark sap, underware squeezins,
> dust, marbles, or any mixture thereof. Just PLEASE don't go into another
> fuckin' oil thread,.
>
> Thank you, thank you very much.
>
> There's only one word that hasn't been used except, lisughbvkuhoybvkl,
> discussing this bullshit, and now it's even been used too.
>
First, been there, done that, found out fuck all. Not one of those 1000 posts
that gave clear, definitive *proof* that any oil was better than any other.
They do confirm what I've long known and followed, "Change your oil lots", no
oil lasts any longer. Once its dirty, it's the crap in it that causes wear on
the engine parts, change it.
What I want to know is when its clean, is any better than any other? Since
better lubrication means less wear, there has to be an oil type that is
initially better than the other at first. The person that converted me to
synthetic oil was a mechanic at a non-dealer shop, and he had me dip my
finger into a bit of regular oil, then rub my fingers together, then dip them
into synthetic oil, and do the same. The synthetic felt more slippery,
almost like soap. However, this was subjective, I want to hear from somebody
that looks like a geek, wears his little white lab coat, knows fuck all about
motorcycles, but lives with that microscope stuck to his eye, and with his
arms leaning on a stack of books, and journal articles. Not a motorcycle
mechanic, that aspires to be a chemist in his spare time, or some one who has
a friend of a friend, of a friend, that works for ________(fill in the blank)
company, that has second hand knowledge, and is now an *expert*. I know one
person that doesn't even ride a bike (not even a jap bike), and I'm asking
him. I thought it would be the *considerate* thing to do to share the answer
I get with the group, and I'd appreciate any one else that knows a Chemist,
Physicist, or similarly fielded expert to do the same.
Second, I didn't start this thread running, any reason why you didn't comment
to the person that did? I want to see it answered once and for all, then put
in the FAQs so it never has to pass across my computer screen again.
Anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?
Wayne Fernandez
<70foli$ci9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <19981019004008...@ng77.aol.com>,
> sna...@aol.com (Snarl67) wrote:
> > On: 10/18/98 9:56 PM EST
> > In message-id: <70e9pl$a9i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
> > hawg...@my-dejanews.com, does the unmentionable and discusses:
> >
> <SNIP>
snip on top of a snip
> What I want to know is when its clean, is any better than any other?
I thought that had been settled long ago in thread 951. A 50-50 blend of
Mango Oil and Oil of Olay is hard to beat.
snip again
> Second, I didn't start this thread running, any reason why you didn't
comment
> to the person that did?
Check your ticket - I think it was your turn. Nothing personal, everyone
gets yelled at in rotation unless they butt to the head of the line and beg
to be next. You should be clear for another 1,294 post unless...
>I want to see it answered once and for all, then put
> in the FAQs so it never has to pass across my computer screen again.
So would we all that have been through this "discussion" endlessly.
However, it won't happen. No one group has been recognized as being both
impartial enough and expert enough to develop an answer that will satisfy
everyone. Hence, the argument pops up frequently and generates groans,
flames, and other nastiness from the folks that have been around a while.
> Anyone else feel that way, or is it just me?
Now that is a straight line I'm not going to touch.
--
MWF
AH52
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
the topic comes up. You need concrete proof for that. It is difficult to
be credible when you have to reference a news group post as your only
evidence, stating that: " I have used car oil in my motorcycle for 14
years w/o any problems". Our HOG has 150 members and 98% think that
Harley oil is the only way to go. Most of the guys that use Harley oil
probably know that it is the same as regular motor oil, but they don't
want to risk the consequences if they are wrong. The report that Don
provided goes a long way to dispel this myth, but I would still like to
see a real scientific test involving Harley oil. That would be the end
of the argument.
--
Regards,
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<70foli$ci9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Scott
> but I would still like to
>see a real scientific test involving Harley oil. That would be the end
>of the argument.
>
>--
>
>Regards,
>Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
Well, Brett, I guess that makes you chairman of the oil testing committee.
Did you read what Snarl said above? Good advice to be had there.
Guess why no one has offered definative proof of one oil being so much
better than any other?!?
Because it doesnt exist. I have seen motors run everything from Recycled
shit to Aeroshell, to the synthetics to all that shit. Cool, clean oil is
what works. If I had a preference, it would be Valvoline or Quaker State
Racing oil. Period. In whatever viscosity blows your dress up.
Scott
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
I'm not the kind of person that just gives up because a few guys on a
news group tells me it is not so. I guess that is the difference between
you and I.
--
Regards,
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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Scott wrote in message <70fsr3$htu$1...@news-01.meganews.com>...
hawg...@my-dejanews.com
"Wayne Fernandez" <wayne.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > <SNIP>
>
> snip on top of a snip
<MORE SNIPS>
> So would we all that have been through this "discussion" endlessly.
> However, it won't happen. No one group has been recognized as being both
> impartial enough and expert enough to develop an answer that will satisfy
> everyone. Hence, the argument pops up frequently and generates groans,
> flames, and other nastiness from the folks that have been around a while.
I agree, that's why I asked someone with a Ph.D in Petro-chemical engineering
(expert enough?), and that doesn't ride, (impartial enough?). Just my luck
he'll probably tell me he has no idea. but what the fuck, I'm gonna try at
least.
I did fuck up, I shouldn't have said anything until *after* I had some
results, but I was hoping someone else might know a similar expert. The FAQs
have tranny lube info, I wanted engine lube in there too.
Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself. Trying
to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
Patrick Larkin Jr
>
> In article <SuqW1.2814$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3 Fingers\"
> Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> writes:
>
> >I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
> >years without any problems.
>
> It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
>
be cheaper than CLP, or even Hoppes!!!!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Patrick H. Larkin, Jr <pla...@NetcomI.com> Sr. Systems Administrator
Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either!
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
--
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http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<70g60u$1g3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Hemipower
In article <362B9368...@netcomi.com>, Patrick Larkin Jr
<pla...@netcomi.com> writes:
>Hemipower wrote:
>>
>> In article <SuqW1.2814$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3
>Fingers\"
>> Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> writes:
>>
>> >I have always used Mobile 1 (15-50) synthetic in my Harleys and have for
>> >years without any problems.
>>
>> Cool,the ole oil thread has popped it head again.
>> It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
>>
>Can I use Mobil-1 or HD Oil on my 1911's slide/frame rails?
You could ina pinch.
In the field I have been known to use starting fluid and W-D40.
At home I prefer a product called Rusty Duck.It is a polymer all
purpose grease. Its slicker than snot on a brass door knob,and better
tasting too.
It sure would
>be cheaper than CLP,
Yesss CLP I reacall using that in the corp.
or even Hoppes!!!!
Hoppes does make some nice products.
Lee Petersen
>
> It may not exist in your world. But I'm sure it does exist somewhere.
> I'm not the kind of person that just gives up because a few guys on a
> news group tells me it is not so. I guess that is the difference between
> you and I.
I've posted this before, and dug the reference up again. It's
probably the closest thing you'll find to what you want, but it
still won't tell you which is "best", just what all the
specifications and test data are for many major brands.
Try the "Oil FAQ's" at:
http://vger.rutgers.edu/~ravi/bike/pages/pages/docs/oil.html
Lee Petersen
#sixty
Mr. 4 Speed
Hemipower wrote
>
>Cool,the ole oil thread has popped it head again.
>It should advance to a pretty decent gun thread in no time. : )
>
>
One can always count on ol' Hemi to have a pretty decent perspective of the
workings here! I'm glad you stick around to fight the "good" fight.
GC
Mr. 4 Speed
Fancy seeing you here in the world of AH's! See you @ the "Digest."
GC
Roger M
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote:
> I agree, I want to be able to talk intelligently about this subject when
> the topic comes up. You need concrete proof for that. It is difficult to
> be credible when you have to reference a news group post as your only
> evidence, stating that: " I have used car oil in my motorcycle for 14
> years w/o any problems". Our HOG has 150 members and 98% think that
> Harley oil is the only way to go. Most of the guys that use Harley oil
> probably know that it is the same as regular motor oil, but they don't
> want to risk the consequences if they are wrong. The report that Don
> provided goes a long way to dispel this myth, but I would still like to
> see a real scientific test involving Harley oil. That would be the end
> of the argument.
>
> Regards,
> Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
I don't want to talk too intelligently around here. Someone will tell me
I'm a fuckin' idiot. I've had my old Shovelhead a while though. I think it's
common knowledge that the Shovelhead top ends don't last but so many miles
no matter what kind of oil you use in them. I think I did my first top end
at 34,000 miles. I have to tell you I'm a hot rodder at heart and I ran the
everlovin' shit out of my bike from day one. I kept it tuned good and I
changed the oil pretty damned regularly. Rings and valve guides got it up
and running pretty good again. A cheap rebuild. I ran all the name brands of
*car* oil in it almost always 50 or 60 weight. If it was cold I ran 20w50 in
it. I used to ride to the local drag strip and race it in the motorcycle
brackets on the weekends for a couple of summers. It regularly got revved to
6500 r's and took it. The drag racing (supposedly) shifted my flywheels from
cleaning it out and popping the clutch. I took it apart at around 50,000
miles or so. All the shafts looked perfect. The bearings looked real good
too. The lifter rollers, cam and other internal moving parts looked good
too. All the shafts were even re-used when I put in my stroker kit. I'm not
a geek, I'm not a member of HOG, I don't own a fuckin' microscope, I don't
have a phd in chemistry, I'm not a member of the 98% that use Harley oil. I
use and have used car oil for years in every motorcycle I've ever owned. I
have never had an oil related failure.<--- That's a tricky sentence huh?
Anyway it works for me. A man says he ridden for 14 years with car oil in
his bike w/o problems I believe him. The most important part of any oil is
the additives. They wear out your on your own. Change oil often. I change my
oil every 1500 miles. There you have it another worthless opinion on motor
oils. For what it's worth. Now what are you'll drinkin' I'll catch this one
for you.
Roger M.
Bruce
Just joking Snarl ;>)
Wayne Fernandez
<70g60u$1g3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <01bdfb80$cfbd0960$0f4f460c@mwf>,
> "Wayne Fernandez" <wayne.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > <SNIP>
> >
> > snip on top of a snip
>
> <MORE SNIPS>
I see your snip and check it back to you.
> Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself.
Trying
> to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
Now don't go getting all twisted out of shape. Post something IF you really
think it brings any real light to the almost endless oil question. Sure you
will get some heat but then lately you can get some heat just by saying
good morning.
--
MWF
AH52
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
communicate with a rational person. I'd buy you a drink any day.
--
Regards,
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http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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Roger M wrote in message <362BE867...@shentel.net>...
Hemipower
In article <70glsi$5sqo$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Mr. 4 Speed"
<MR_4_...@NOSPAMprodigy.net> writes:
Hey Mr 4 speed long time no see.Don't let the bastards get ya down.
" I sit on a mans back, choking him and making him carry me and
yet assure others that I am sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means...except by getting off his back."
--Leo Tolstoy--
Jinks
<wayne.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Sure you will get some heat but then lately you can get some heat just by saying
>good morning.
All right Fernandez! You startin that damn "Good Morning" thread
again?!!! Commin' in here hollering Good Morning! Wantin' everyone
to get up & go to work!.......Oh! Wait a minute! I'm retired...I
don't have to go to work! 8^)
Have a cup on me Wayne......3 days to beerlets!
putt_...@yahoo.com
"Brett \"3 Fingers\" Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> It may not exist in your world. But I'm sure it does exist somewhere.
> I'm not the kind of person that just gives up because a few guys on a
> news group tells me it is not so. I guess that is the difference between
> you and I.
>
Actually the topic of which oil is best gets discussed about twice
every year in this newsgroup. The last go-around seemed to give
Mobil1 an edge for EVO motors where a miltiviscosity oil is used.
However, Mobil1 has been reformulated which is why it is now offered
in a motorcycle only grade. A majority seemed to prefer a single
weight oil for flat, knuckle, pan and shovelheads using the old
organic oil, but even those results were disputed by some who
prefer multi grade oils of both organic and synthetic makeup.
The only fact that has ever held up in all oil thread discussions
is that the oil and filter should be changed often to remove
contaminates from the motor and you should not run a heaver weight
oil in your bike than is absolutely needed.
So, if you can find documented proof that one oil is superior
in a Harley than any other oil we would all like to know about
it because it would settle a multi-year discussion.
--
Putt Asshole #19 putt_...@yahoo.com don't change a thing.
'71 FX .. Mogaumbi '82 Goldwing .
Mr. 4 Speed
Bob Knazik
>
>
> Have a cup on me Wayne......3 days to beerlets!
>
shot, I'll have scotch.
:)
Bob K
no # or nothing
Tim Moore
> Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself.
> Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
That can sure be true here.
Jinks
wrote:
BOB! We won't insist on beerlets if you prefer scotch. We arn't
concerned with *what* you drink, it's more *where*.
See?? you there???
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
but I just felt like I had to do it in this case.
Well, Jon (loser in general). Since you think I'm such a loser why don't
you go to this webpage.
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/k623d/quake/perguide.html
It's the AMD webpage. Thats right, "Advanced Micro Devices". I guess you
have heard of them. They make CPU's in case you did not know. Now look
down the page and you will see AMD lists, not one, but two files they
use for testing their new 3D NOW processor. The first file is called
"Massive1" and the second file is called "BestV2". Why don't you
download these files from the AMD webpage (they are the only 2 URLs on
the page) and see the readme and look to see who is the author of these
files. I'll save you the time, it's me. But you can confirm this if you
like.
Now do you think AMD ended up using my two files to test their new CPU
that has made them a real competitor against Intel, because I'm the kind
of person that gives up just because a few jerkoffs on a news group tell
me something is so or not so. Well, think again asswipe.
Here are a few more AMD webpages with my files listed, described and
tested:
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/k623d/quake/scripts.htm#map2
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/k623d/quake/chart5.htm
Oooops, Here is another webpage that uses my files and he discusses them
and mentions my name. Oh my, could that be Tom's Hardware? It case you
don't know, Tom's Hardware gets about 200,000 hits A DAY and is the most
well respected computer hardware testing site on the internet. Just look
down midway on this webpage and look for my name:
http://www.tomshardware.com/releases/98q4/981007/index5.html
If this information is not satisfactory for you. I can come up with many
more well respected webpages that mention my name and use my files. So
go f*ck yourself Jon.
--
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http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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Marchant, Jon A. wrote in message
<363331fe...@news.marinternet.com>...
|Well how nice for you, Skippy. The rest of the fifth-graders must be
|really proud of you.
|
|Why don't you dedicate your life to finding the ultimate truth of oil,
|the universe and everything? That way you'd be too busy to waste all
|of our time with your repeated whining about how everybody picks on
|you.
|
|You badly need to either grow up or to go away.
/Garcia
Tim Moore
Still can't figure out that quoting thing, huh?
Try, please try.
Jon Marchant (take one "in" out of address to reply)
Mount Tamalpais, Alta California '91FLHS HSB #02* Wolf #11
"Mr. 4 Speed" <MR_4_...@NOSPAMprodigy.net> wrote:
> How about I try and stick my keyboard up your ass, "shit-for-brains?"
I think thats a NO!
Tim Moore
> Change oil often. I change my
> oil every 1500 miles. There you have it another worthless opinion on
> motor oils. For what it's worth.
Probably a good idea. Do you also change the filter each time or every
other time?
Agua Noggin
<70hsqo$8oug$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Mr. 4 Speed"
<MR_4_...@NOSPAMprodigy.net> does his best badass impression, flexes
all 101 keys and says to no one in particular:
>How about I try and stick my keyboard up your ass, "shit-for-brains?"
4 Speed, ('scuse me, but I can't quite bring myself to calling you
"Mr.") even though no one noticed your absence, you felt compelled to
tell the world you'd been gone for a month. Tell us if you will, WHAT
THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU WHILE YOU WERE GONE?
I don't recall you being a dickhead before you left. You were
inconsequential perhaps, but certainly not the dickhead that's
regretfully reappeared a month later. Were you wearing twit
camouflage before that you somehow misplaced during your hiatus? Did
you have an unfortunate accident in which you lost seven of your
fingers? Did your medication run out? Frontal lobotomy, maybe?
Inquiring minds like mine seek answers to these questions prior to
depositing you in the bozo bin.
Seek professional help, seek a pharmacist, seek a bath tub
accessorized with a toaster...something, ANYTHING, para el amante del
Dios. Should all else fail, JUST LEAVE and kindly try not to exhale
so as much of your new found stench as possible goes with you.
Thank you.
--
Allen "Agua Noggin" Johnston
#65, the Zoomie Asshole™
'99 FLSTC on the way...Got a VIN, it's Black! 6Nov98 del date Woohoo!
r.m.h. FAQ is at http://www.execpc.com/~jschwarz/rmhFAQmenu.html
putt_...@yahoo.com
tmo...@erols.com wrote:
> hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself.
> > Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
>
> That can sure be true here.
>
> - Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
> Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
>
>
Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the universe
here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
Scott
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message
<83LW1.3179$pb7.2...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>...
>I guess that is the difference between
>you and I.
>Regards,
>Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
>http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
Actually, Brett, there are a couple other differences also. For one, I have
a penis. For two, I forgot more about HD motors than you will ever know.
But, please continue, we havent had a clueless newbie to flame here for
quite some time.
Barkeep, a round for the house, and a double Tequila for my new friend,
Brett, here. Please.
Scott
Scott
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
Yeah, so fucking what? Your still a rude and pretentious twit. Go read the
fucking FAQ, dickweed, and come back when you remember the manners that you
momma taught you. Your bullshit and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee, but
not at this bar. Snarl politely asked, told, begged you not to do this BS
thread AGAIN, but no, you just wanna play badboy and tell us all how smart
you are. Nice try. I, for one, am not convinced.
Get your hea and your ass wired together, and come back after you read the
FAQ. Or, just dont come back at all.
Scott
Wayne Fernandez
<dB%W1.3466$pb7.3...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>...
> To all but Jon: Normally I would never boast about my accomplishments,
> but I just felt like I had to do it in this case.
>
>
> Well, Jon (loser in general). Since you think I'm such a loser why don't
> you go to this webpage.
> http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/k623d/quake/perguide.html
> It's the AMD webpage. Thats right, "Advanced Micro Devices".
snip
Oh OH! I have a feeling he is going to whip out his 5th grade spelling bee
ribbon and his 7th grade good citizen award next. This could get messy.
--
MWF
AH52
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
one is forcing you to. But guess what? There are other people in this
world that actually have a thirst for knowledge. The world does not
revolve around what you want. So who gives a shit if *you* don't want to
read a thread. Is anyone holding a gun to your head and making you click
that little + sign? What a f*cking idiot you are!!!!!!
Oh, what is the use!!! This news group is a lost cause for information
unless you want to know how to beat a DUI charge, find a good criminal
attorney, get lessons on how to be an idiot or how to reach the level of
a singlewide trailer lifestyle. Now go live in your fantasy world that
you are in a bar and not a news group.
See ya!!!
--
Regards,
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/
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Scott wrote in message <70i27v$q89$1...@news-01.meganews.com>...
Agua Noggin
<dB%W1.3466$pb7.3...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>, "Brett \"3 Fingers\"
Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>Marchant, Jon A. wrote in message
><363331fe...@news.marinternet.com>...
<<snip the rest of the flame>>
>>You badly need to either grow up or to go away.
>>Or both.
>To all but Jon: Normally I would never boast about my accomplishments,
>but I just felt like I had to do it in this case.
<snip the "look at me, I'm *somebody* and here's the proof" whine>
If it's "To all but Jon", then *e-mail* him for pete's sake and
stop your public, whining, boring waste of bandwidth. A
self-proclaimed żsoftware/hardware? genius such as yourself should be
able to find an email program and the necessary instructions to go
with it. Try your favorite Internet search engine. I'm sure you
could come up with something.
What exactly did all that prideful chest thumping have to do with
either growing up or going away?
Quoting #60 in a reply to you from another thread, I put for the
following:
:Let me tell it to you slow - we suffer all kinds of dickheads in
:here, lots of them - because they have something to contribute,
:something worthwhile to take the time to read, be it technical
:knowledge, ride reports, road stories, humor, wry insights to
:human nature, whatever.
:
:On the other hand, we also have a shitload of newbies with chips
:on their shoulders that blunder in here every week to set the
:place straight and show everyone else the error of their benighted
:ways, or what a big tough biker they really are.
:
:So which are you?
So...which are you?
Jordon
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
>but I just felt like I had to do it in this case.
cock a doodle doo!
chucker
putt_...@yahoo.com wrote in message <70i8ma$lia$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <09980919172711...@erols.com>,
> tmo...@erols.com wrote:
>> hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> > Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself.
>> > Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
>>
>> That can sure be true here.
>>
>> --
>> - Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
>> Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
>>
>>
>
>Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the universe
>here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
>
Tim, that secret was posted on the back of a particular "bazooka" bubble gum
comic wrapper, circa 1966, and I missed that one too, and I think it said
something about cod liver oil ...........
Shit...................
Chucker..........
if you truck too fast you'll lose your load
I got one fast sickle
dave urquhart
>
> In article <09980919172711...@erols.com>,
> tmo...@erols.com wrote:
> > hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to myself.
> > > Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
> >
> > That can sure be true here.
> >
> > --
> > - Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
> > Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
> >
> >
>
> Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the universe
> here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
>
> Putt Asshole #19 putt_...@yahoo.com don't change a thing.
> '71 FX .. Mogaumbi '82 Goldwing .
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Too late Putt, I already did it two weeks ago and nobody took a blind
bit of notice. In fact I've even forgot the damned thing myself.
Dave
Scott
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
<el snippo>
Ahh, took the bait like the champ I knew you were.
Havent been to the FAQ yet, eh?
http://www.execpc.com/~jschwarz/rmhFAQmenu.html
I would try to explain, but that would just be a waste of time.
I am just gonna sit back and watch the show.
Scott
Scott
putt_...@yahoo.com wrote in message
>
>Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the universe
>here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
What bullshit? ;-)
Scott
Snarl67
In message-id: <fI0X1.3468$pb7.3...@news.rdc1.tn.home.com>
"Brett \"3 Fingers\" Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM>, follows the script to
the letter with:
>You don't want to contribute to the thread, then just don't read it. No
>one is forcing you to.
I tried to tell ya.
>But guess what? There are other people in this
>world that actually have a thirst for knowledge. The world does not
>revolve around what you want.
It appears that the world does indeed revolve around *you* though, eh? We've
seen this shit over and over, like a broken record, year in and year out. It
makes people crazy after awhile, kinda like Chineese water torture.
So who gives a shit if *you* don't want to
>read a thread. Is anyone holding a gun to your head and making you click
>that little + sign? What a f*cking idiot you are!!!!!!
If you'd have taken a few minutes to to a dejanews search on this topic, you
wouldn't have waded into this cesspool. The oil thread is similar to the
helmet thread, there is *no* one answer, never was, never will be. Nobody
changes anyone elses opinions, s/n goes out of whack, and it eventually turns
into a drinking thread and dies. Only to be ressurrected a few months later by
another newbie <sigh>.
>Oh, what is the use!!! This news group is a lost cause for information
This group has more collective knowledge that is shared willingly than anywhere
else you'll *ever* stumble into. But you want an answer to an unanswerable
question. There are just too damn many variables to deal with to reach a, one
is best, conclusion.
Now go live in your fantasy world that
>you are in a bar and not a news group.
Well bust my bubble, wanna cold one?
>See ya!!!
Your loss, why don't ya just chill out. By the way, the most commonly accepted
consensus regarding this issue is to change it often and regularly. HTH
Snarl...the "oil, shmoil, gimme a cold one" Asshole(tm)
Snarl AH#67, BS#37
1937 EL
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Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
quote:
"If ya possess enough brains to count yer balls and get the same number
twice then you'll do just fine."
I'd say that about sums it up. :)
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Scott wrote in message <70igob$pje$1...@news-02.meganews.com>...
Tim Moore
>> Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
>>
>> That can sure be true here.
>
>
> regarding the vibration of your bike? From reading the replies to
> your questions I was under the impression that this forum was helpful
> to you. Perhaps I was wrong??
I can equate that to many flames I have received here - yes sir you
betcha!! Not every time, for sure. Often most of the replys are helpful
and informative. That is why my reply said, "That can sure be true",
rather than that will be or is always true. The flamers here are like
mosquitoes in the swamp - out for blood and waiting to pounce. I will be
the first to say that you can get some good info here!! I can also say
you should keep your opinions to yourself less you wear asbestos
underwear. You get it both ways here - I am sure you will agree with
that.
Wayne Fernandez
> In article <09980919172711...@erols.com>,
> tmo...@erols.com wrote:
> > hawg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > Any way, my last post on oil, I'll keep anything I find out to
myself.
> >
> > That can sure be true here.
> > - Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
> > Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
>
> here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
So true.
--
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AH52
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
"Does the Harley V-Twin engine have any special lubrication requirements
that requires the use of Harley brand oil and not conventional high
grade automotive oil?"
The answer to the question is "yes' or "no". There is no other possible
answer. I only seek *concrete proof* to this question. There is only 2
possible answers to this question.
1. Yes the Harley V-Twin does have special lubrication requirements that
require the use of Harley Oil.
2. No, the Harley V-Twin does NOT have special lubrication requirements
that require the use of Harley Oil.
It appears that your 1000 or so discussions on this topic have gotten no
farther than producing inconclusive evidence (which is all I have seen
so far). Imagine you are an attorney and it is your job to prove or
disprove Harley's claim. Have you seen any evidence here that you could
take into court to prove your case? I haven't seen any. It would be
virtually impossible to prove a case based on what you guys have
disclosed. Like I said 5 times, I know in my heart that you don't have
to use Harley oil. But that is not good enough for the purpose I seek
the answer to this question.
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Snarl67 wrote in message <19981020134830...@ng93.aol.com>...
|On: 10/20/98 9:00 AM EST
Panhead
> Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
>
> <el snippo>
>
> Ahh, took the bait like the champ I knew you were.
You spelled "chump" wrong.
Glad I could help.
Par Willen
>
> How many variables can there be in this question?:
>
> "Does the Harley V-Twin engine have any special lubrication requirements
> that requires the use of Harley brand oil and not conventional high
> grade automotive oil?"
>
> The answer to the question is "yes' or "no". There is no other possible
> answer. I only seek *concrete proof* to this question. There is only 2
> possible answers to this question.
>
> 1. Yes the Harley V-Twin does have special lubrication requirements that
> require the use of Harley Oil.
> 2. No, the Harley V-Twin does NOT have special lubrication requirements
> that require the use of Harley Oil.
>
> It appears that your 1000 or so discussions on this topic have gotten no
> farther than producing inconclusive evidence (which is all I have seen
> so far). Imagine you are an attorney and it is your job to prove or
> disprove Harley's claim. Have you seen any evidence here that you could
> take into court to prove your case? I haven't seen any. It would be
> virtually impossible to prove a case based on what you guys have
> disclosed. Like I said 5 times, I know in my heart that you don't have
> to use Harley oil. But that is not good enough for the purpose I seek
> the answer to this question.
Jeezuz Friggin' Christ, what's keeping this guy up??? No, the answer is not a
simple "yes" or "no" and WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY ATTORNEYS, EVIDENCE, OR
WHATEVER THE HELL YOU'RE LOOKING FOR: YOU ASKED A QUESTION AND YOU GOT A LOT OF
ANSWERS BASED ON TRUE TO LIFE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU DID NOT LIKE AND AS THAT
AIN'T ENOUGH FOR YOU THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. YOU WANT VARIABLES just to keep
this bullshit alive? How abouts an obvious one like what the hell is a "Harley
V-Twin"?? *MY* Harley V-Twin does not have any special lubrication requirements
whatever that require the use of Harley MoCo oil. I use oil from the dump barrel
at any service station, I literally have not changed the oil in my Harley V-Twin
in over ten years and my experience is that the thing runs just fine under those
conditions. However, that clearly does not apply to Jeffs TC88. Next variable
that will keep this stupid bullshit thread going for 500 more posts is what is a
"conventional high grade automotive oil"?
Now since it's clear this godamm thread is not leading you anywhere but down,
please end it all by going to your dealer and ask for the official point of view
from the Harley-Davidson Motor Company. A hint: They will tell you to use only
official MoCo oil.
Please take their advice and move the hell on to something more productive like
helping me out with your high and mighty electronics expertise to wire up the
RR-P low-budget dyno data aquistion setup, OK?.
Regards
PiPPi
#66
hawg...@my-dejanews.com
putt_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Actually the topic of which oil is best gets discussed about twice
> every year in this newsgroup. The last go-around seemed to give
> Mobil1 an edge for EVO motors where a miltiviscosity oil is used.
> However, Mobil1 has been reformulated which is why it is now offered
> in a motorcycle only grade. A majority seemed to prefer a single
> weight oil for flat, knuckle, pan and shovelheads using the old
> organic oil, but even those results were disputed by some who
> prefer multi grade oils of both organic and synthetic makeup.
> The only fact that has ever held up in all oil thread discussions
> is that the oil and filter should be changed often to remove
> contaminates from the motor and you should not run a heaver weight
> oil in your bike than is absolutely needed.
>
> So, if you can find documented proof that one oil is superior
> in a Harley than any other oil we would all like to know about
> it because it would settle a multi-year discussion.
>
Attention Snarl, cover your ears!
Putts comments are pretty well exactly what the chemical engineer I asked
said. Here are the main points:
1 Additives: Although in say a transmission, additives are important because
of the various seals, and such. But in an engine, its not a concern. Its
metal on metal that is the concern. So, fuck Harley's price gouging tactic,
the additives don't do anything (if they even exist). And besides, is any
one here stupid enough to honestly tell the stealership that they used
another brand of oil other than HD oil? If you are that concerned about your
warranty, use their oil till its up.
2. Vicosity: Use the recommended viscosity, too low or too high can kill an
engine. It would be worse to run straight 40 weight in an engine designed
for 20-50 weight though than vice versa. So, like Putt said, miltiviscosity
oil for evos (and fatheads?), and straight weight for the rest.
3. Synthetic vs Organic: Any advantage one oil would have over the other is
gone after that first ride. It's the particulate matter that gets into the
oil that causes engine wear, and the best oil in the world ain't gonna solve
it. If the slight advantage that a higher priced oil is gonna give for that
one ride is worth it to you, go for it. But, your money is far better spent
to change it every 1500 miles with organic, than every 3000 with synthetic,
for the same cost.
Until now, I've been using Mobil 1, and changing it every 2500 miles, I'll
still use Mobil 1, but change it every 1500 miles from now on. I've found
that if you go right to the main oil distributor, you can get a major price
discount buying oil by the case, and my engine *is* worth the little bit
extra to me.
So, to repeat again, CHANGE YER FUCKIN OIL LOTS!
I just know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I've got my flame retardant
jock on, so fire away ;-)
L8r
Tim Moore
> Like I said 5 times, I know in my heart that you don't have
> to use Harley oil. But that is not good enough for the purpose I seek
> the answer to this question.
Not that it will help answer the "big" question about oil, but sometimes
you have to use HD oil. The manufacturer's warranty says that you have
to if you want them to honor the warranty. Aside from that - its back to
the argument. I am sure someone will now find fault in my statement.
No one here will be able to answer your question to the extent you are
looking for and with the proof you want. HD might have the facts but
they will never admit that other oil will do as well as their oil. Some
of the oil companies might have the data you seek but I can't ever
remember an oil company ever saying anything like, "for use in Harley,
Honda, and Yamaha". I can't ever remember them saying their oil is good
for Ford, Chevy and Toyota either. What you will find is generic stuff
like - good for V-twins or racing oil. Other bikes now have v-twins that
are water cooled so it could be further argued that its oil for water
cooled v-twins rather than HD v-twins.
Why don't you e-mail some oil companies (especially those that have
v-twin oil) and ask them. I would love to hear their answer myself.
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
off that you don't know the answer. Well, look at the bright side of
this thread from your viewpoint. If no one posted questions that
required some intelligent answers, then who would you have to flame? You
see, it is people like me that give you guys a reason to wake up in the
morning. Without me and people like me, you would have no purpose in
life. After a few days of not having flaming bait, you'd just be sitting
in the corner mumbling to yourself and this news group would surely just
die out.
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Par Willen wrote in message <362CF18C...@swipnet.se>...
CLWG
>Another "perpetuate the ignorance" answer. I guess is just pisses you
>off that you don't know the answer. Well, look at the bright side of
>this thread from your viewpoint. If no one posted questions that
>required some intelligent answers, then who would you have to flame? You
>see, it is people like me that give you guys a reason to wake up in the
>morning. Without me and people like me, you would have no purpose in
>life. After a few days of not having flaming bait, you'd just be sitting
>in the corner mumbling to yourself and this news group would surely just
>die out.
>
No. This ng will not disappear if your sensless babbling is not present.
As for your question:
NO. Harley Davidson motorcycles do not require a special oil. Like every
other engine, they are metal. They require lubrication. That will be found in
any brand of motor oil. According to the MoFoMoCo, their oil has special
additives. That very well may be. Will those additives make or break your
engine? I doubt it. The major difference between motorcycle and car engines
(other than general design) is that the first is air cooled, and the second is
water cooled.
Some would argue that an air cooled engine requires "special additives".
Somehow I doubt that. An air cooled engine is designed specifically so that
air will COOL the engine. The engines are not designed with a specific oil in
mind. An oil may be engineered so that it meets specific needs, however.
Additives may improve viscosity. They may improve longevity. But the basic
tenet to change it often is still the best. It doesn't matter what oil you
use, provided you use the proper weight and provided you change it often.
Remember: All oil (except synth) comes from the same place. When you use it,
and turn it in, it's cleaned and put back in bottles to go back in your engine.
Under those conditions, do you really think that it matters whose brand you
use??
Now...
Get over it already. They *are* right. There *is* no way to quantitively or
qualitatively measure these oils against each other. No Harley is quite like
another. Your uses vary from those of others. Go access DejaNews for more on
this subject, but at least know what you're asking BEFORE you ask it.
Julia "Woman of the Dead Rabbit"
*WIT(tm)**#69OOP's*HSB#34CT**Nothing is as it seems...such is the life of a
woman!**Keep it shiny side up, both wheels on the ground, what angle you're at
is up to you!** http://members.aol.com/CLWG/*
Scott
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
>Yep, I found the requirements for joining in at this news group. And I
>quote:
>
>"If ya possess enough brains to count yer balls and get the same number
>twice then you'll do just fine."
>
>
>I'd say that about sums it up. :)
Ok, Brett, now we know that you can count to one.
Now, who the fuck are you, where are you from, what do you ride, what do you
want, (besides to piss us all off), and why havent you bought a round
yet!!!????
Scott,
the Tequila challenged....
Par Willen
>
> Another "perpetuate the ignorance" answer. I guess is just pisses you
> off that you don't know the answer. Well, look at the bright side of
> this thread from your viewpoint. If no one posted questions that
> required some intelligent answers, then who would you have to flame? You
> see, it is people like me that give you guys a reason to wake up in the
> morning. Without me and people like me, you would have no purpose in
> life. After a few days of not having flaming bait, you'd just be sitting
> in the corner mumbling to yourself and this news group would surely just
> die out.
No, that's not at all true. Lighten up, you definitely hit on the wrong guy for
keeping flame threads alive in this NG.
You ignoring the factual part of my post and my query on the data aquisition
gives clues to your purpose in life.
"and into da twitfilter ya go" (Panhead, 1997)
Regards
PiPPi
#66
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
drunk a drink and that will pacify him, getting his mind of off how much
he hates himself and it also makes him forget why he hates everyone else
too. Damn, why didn't I think of that? Scott, I guess I did not give you
enough credit. My apologies.
Hey everybody, drinks on me!!!!
P.S. I am from my mother's womb. What about you?
--
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92 FLSTC
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Scott wrote in message <70ip4m$qo8$1...@news-02.meganews.com>...
Panhead
> Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote: (nothing of importance so, I snipped it)
You're all very welcome!
>
>
> ...Please take their advice and move the hell on to something more productive like
>
> helping me out with your high and mighty electronics expertise to wire up the
> RR-P low-budget dyno data aquistion setup, OK?.
>
You can play Quake on yer Dyno? Cool!
Panhead AH™#49 HSB®1219 KoB/CoT®235#--EKIII Paints with me--
Http://www.monmouth.com/~panhead/
Panhead
> You ignoring the factual part of my post and my query on the data aquisition
> gives clues to your purpose in life.
>
> "and into da twitfilter ya go" (Panhead, 1997)
I have "upgraded" that to say "..and you now swims wit de fishes."
Please try to keep up.
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Panhead wrote in message <362CF35B...@hotmail.com>...
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
more responses from you. So, it is a win/win situation for both of us.
I'm happy.
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Par Willen wrote in message <362CFB9...@swipnet.se>...
Chris Troudt
>
> but I just felt like I had to do it in this case.
<Snipped a dumpster full of whiny self-centered horn-blowing BS>
Ahhh the pungent aroma of irony...
Evidentally, you "felt like you had to do it" because of some weird
self-fulfilling obligation to demonstrate for the world that you are
nothing but a shallow, egotistical idiot. No doubt, your affliction
has progressed to more serious stages of conversations with imaginary
friends and chronic public masturbation.
I generally tend to avoid such flame wars,
"but I just felt like I had to do it in this case."
You come in here spouting how you'd like to see more Harley-specific
info with less flames, fewer off-topic posts, and no 4-letter words.
Then you spin around and gag us with this "I'm such a great programmer
that I must be a real groovy guy" gig. You seem to have some gross
misconception that RMH must operate like a textbook newsgroup rather
than as a Virtual Bar & Grill(tm). Just because you perceive all
written communication to read like a programmer's reference manual
through those coke-bottle glasses taped together at the bridge does
not mean it really does. I've got news for you pal -- you ain't the
only one in the whole world who's ever written a line of code, and
you certainly ain't the best. I'll refrain from commenting on your
skill in writing testcases for gaming hardware. It's just rather
amazing that even with your close involvment in the "fantasy" aspects
of computer hardware and software, you are so adamantly against that
very same concept with respect to this usenet newsgroup.
Trust me, you're rantings in here are totally meaningless and
do nothing but convince us what a true moron you really are.
Sorry if this comes as a big shock to you, but we couldn't care
less about your software development accomplishments. Having
your name in lights on all those web pages does nothing at all
to redeem your reputation here. It's clear you have absolutely
nothing worthwhile to contribute. Being involved in the software
test arena, you should take great comfort in knowing that you are
soley responsible for testing the kill-file feature on thousands
of platforms worldwide. Software wizard or not, you're still
just a complete waste of bandwidth in this newsgroup.
The judges have submitted their ratings -- your performance
thus far gets a unanimous 3 fingers...errr...thumbs down.
--
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CT AH#40
Mr. 4 Speed
Agua Noggin wrote
Tell us if you will, WHAT
>THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU WHILE YOU WERE GONE?
> I don't recall you being a dickhead before you left.
<snip>
I guess I figured if you guys can have fun at the expense of the less
"savvy" users, I can have fun at the expense of the more vocal assholes.
A lot of inexperienced people come here and ask a few innocent albeit
repitive questions and then they get completely flamed and think that the
r.m.h. is full of nothing but assholes. We were all newbies once and I'll
pick on whoever I damn well want to. Picking on the uninitiated is easy.
I'm mean its like the bully in high school picking on the nerds. Those kind
of mental weaklings don't have the guts to go after someone who will stand
up to them and fight. So since this group secretly named
rec.motorcycles.flameharleyriders, I am aiming at the top. Kinda pisses
y'all off when someone swings back, doesn't it?
ROFLMAO,
GC
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs
year industry and by the year 2002, every computer sold will have a 3D
graphics card built in, then I won't try to explain to you how much
money there is to be made in the 3D industry. I can tell that making
money is not your forte, so these things would not be important to you.
Also, if you "cared less" about my accomplishments then why are you
responding? Generally most people that "cared less" would not even
respond. I guess that makes you full of shit in addition to being poor.
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Chris Troudt wrote in message <362CFE8D...@azstarnet.com>...
Maggie
What ya drinkin?, I'm buying. Hope your recovery is goin'
smoothly. This ain't exactly the "Ultimate Wisdom" but still
pretty damn straight on.
<philosophical mode on>
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out
where the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could
have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is
actually in the arena, whose face is marred with dust and sweat
and blood. At best, he knows the triumph of high achievement; if
he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his
place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew
neither victory nor defeat."
<philosophical mode off>
Not sure who said this (mebbe Roosevelt) but I like it.
MaGGie
putt_...@yahoo.com wrote in message
<70i8ma$lia$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
:Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the
universe
:here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
:Putt Asshole #19 putt_...@yahoo.com don't change a thing.
:'71 FX .. Mogaumbi '82 Goldwing .
:
:-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network
Michael M Mason
>Putts comments are pretty well exactly what the chemical engineer I asked
>said. Here are the main points:
[snip]
>So, to repeat again, CHANGE YER FUCKIN OIL LOTS!
>
>I just know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I've got my flame retardant
>jock on, so fire away ;-)
No, it's a keeper. Next time the oil thread fires up (probably next
Tuesday) we'll post the bugger up and hope it does the trick. Not that
it will, of course...
I'm going out in the desert at the weekend.
Really? Well, make sure you take plenty of water!
Do you think I should take still water or Perrier water?
Er ... it doesn't really matter as long as you drink enough.
Yeah, but Perrier must be better 'cos they charge a lot for it
and it's sparkly too.
Well, OK, fine, take Perrier then
But is it any better than still water?
Well, no, not really. You just have to remember to drink it.
Yeah, but I want to be sure I'm using the _best_ water...
Look, it really doesn't fucking well matter...
You don't know, do you? You stand there dispensing bleedin'
advice but you don't really know the answer, do you?
...and so on, and so forth until one of them kills the other and
buries the body in the desert only to die shortly afterwards of heat
prostration due to all the digging and not taking enough water.
--
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Larry Boyd
Fingers\" Jacobs" <bja...@home.comNOSPAM> says...
> Since you don't realize that the 3D graphics industry is a $3 Billion a
> year industry and by the year 2002, every computer sold will have a 3D
> graphics card built in, then I won't try to explain to you how much
> money there is to be made in the 3D industry. I can tell that making
> money is not your forte, so these things would not be important to you.
>
> Also, if you "cared less" about my accomplishments then why are you
> responding? Generally most people that "cared less" would not even
> respond. I guess that makes you full of shit in addition to being poor.
OH MY GOD! I know who this guy is now. He's the reincarnation of Potty!
Big D.
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Ok TR6R
>allen-1...@idt.net (allen) wrote:
>>> Trying to help ain't worth the bullshit it gets you here.
>>>
>>> That can sure be true here.
>>
>>
>> Can you equate that sentiment with the advice that's been given to you
>> regarding the vibration of your bike? From reading the replies to
>> your questions I was under the impression that this forum was helpful
>> to you. Perhaps I was wrong??
>
>I can equate that to many flames I have received here - yes sir you
>betcha!! Not every time, for sure. Often most of the replys are helpful
>and informative. That is why my reply said, "That can sure be true",
>rather than that will be or is always true. The flamers here are like
>mosquitoes in the swamp - out for blood and waiting to pounce. I will be
>the first to say that you can get some good info here!! I can also say
>you should keep your opinions to yourself less you wear asbestos
>underwear. You get it both ways here - I am sure you will agree with
>that.
Either that or be sure that your opinion is at least half-assed correct. You
must admit, posting that something contracts when it heats up wasn't the best
thing to do... <BG>
IMHO, of course...
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Jordon
Par Willen wrote in message
>at any service station, I literally have not changed the oil in my Harley
V-Twin
>in over ten years and my experience is that the thing runs just fine under
those
>conditions.
Ah, Par?.... please, tell me it's not so.
Maggie
Jeeze You have just got me so excited with this thread I'm on
the edge of wetness. I am much too modest to put my
accomplishments in a public forum but if you will visit me we can
talk about bit diddlin', 3D graphics, Quake and your consummate
curiosity about moto-oil. Now my Office is in the ThunderSquatFF
Building, right next to the Rolling Donut Shop. Can't miss it,
when you get ready to leave call SergeRock to *pack your shit*
for ya. Bet with them three fingers you can pick both sides of
your nose and suck your thumb at the same time.
MaGGie "Flashing milk thingies at CT
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
:Since you don't realize that the 3D graphics industry is a $3
Billion a
:year industry and by the year 2002, every computer sold will
have a 3D
:graphics card built in, then I won't try to explain to you how
much
:money there is to be made in the 3D industry. I can tell that
making
:money is not your forte, so these things would not be important
to you.
:
:Also, if you "cared less" about my accomplishments then why are
you
:responding? Generally most people that "cared less" would not
even
:respond. I guess that makes you full of shit in addition to
being poor.
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Roger M
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote:
> How many variables can there be in this question?:
>
> "Does the Harley V-Twin engine have any special lubrication requirements
> that requires the use of Harley brand oil and not conventional high
> grade automotive oil?"
>
It might. I don't know it though. I've owned four different Harleys.
I've never used the Harley oil. NEVER. Did you here it that time. Since
1980. Never Never Never! I beat the ever lovin' piss out of every single
fuckin' one of them. So I am your self proclaimed non expert. My shits still
runnin' fine. No loose bearings, No sticking valves, Nothing! I do not see
how Harley oil could do any better but, I'm no fucking expert.
> The answer to the question is "yes' or "no". There is no other possible
> answer. I only seek *concrete proof* to this question. There is only 2
> possible answers to this question.
>
> 1. Yes the Harley V-Twin does have special lubrication requirements that
> require the use of Harley Oil.
> 2. No, the Harley V-Twin does NOT have special lubrication requirements
> that require the use of Harley Oil.
>
I'll go with #2. You wanna know why. My shits on the porch just like an
old hound dog. In the morning it'll be up the street. So if it starts in the
morning and it runs and gets me there then the answer to your question is NO
NO NO. Did you here me? I said no. If it absolutely *had* to have Harley oil
then it would be on the porch worn the fuck out. Unable to be ridden. Ridden
it's been this year and had the fuck run out of it on a regular basis. It
ain't worn out. It seems like it's finally just getting good and broken in.
> It appears that your 1000 or so discussions on this topic have gotten no
> farther than producing inconclusive evidence (which is all I have seen
> so far). Imagine you are an attorney and it is your job to prove or
> disprove Harley's claim. Have you seen any evidence here that you could
> take into court to prove your case? I haven't seen any. It would be
> virtually impossible to prove a case based on what you guys have
> disclosed.
Damn Brett you've read a thousand messages and you ain't figured it out.
Let me explain it to you then. You put the oil in that you feel is best. If
you absolutely have to have conclusive proof then come to Northern Va. You
pay me $2000. in cash and I'll take my shit apart and show you that "car
oil" works fine. You can see for yourself the exact condition of every
single part in my ol' mill. Bring your fuckin' attorney he can look too for
another $500.
> Like I said 5 times, I know in my heart that you don't have
> to use Harley oil. But that is not good enough for the purpose I seek
> the answer to this question.
>
>
If you've said it five times it's sounded like fifty. If you can't
follow your heart you've really go troubles. Then what exactly is the
purpose for which you seek this answer? Oh and if you stand around tooting
your own horn you'll find your the only one listening. I know. I ain't as
newbie as I used to be. Thanks for the drink from before. Now sit the fuck
down, shut the fuck up, have one on me and get over it.
Roger M.
Maggie
between their ears first and you got a big fuckin F.
Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs wrote in message ...
So we got a date?
YMMOT
>
<snip>
"Better to remain silent and thought a fool
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt "
--
Marie
Mr. 4 Speed
putt_wrote
>Some day someone is going to post the ultimate wisdom of the universe
>here and it will be lost in the clutter of all the bullshit.
>
information taking the time to post it here of all places.
GC
MadMan
...snip...
>Change the filter with the oil. I've started taking my filters
>apart to see what it is picking up. At MITM '96 I found the
>finely ground remains of my oil pump drive gears.
>
>Putt Asshole #19 putt_...@yahoo.com
>'71 FX .... Mogaumbi yup, that's it.
>'82 Goldwing . no name yet don't have to change a thing.
>ICQ#17431237
OK, folks. This is the nugget of wisdom I always knew was hidin' in these
silly-assed oil threads! Gawd, I'm glad I actually read some of this
thread cuz *this* is a genuinely excellent idea...
<<Goin' out to the Garaj Mahal to cut open a used filter...>>
Thanks, Putt!
--
MadMan 49 FL 97 FXDWG < d e s @ a a . n e t >
Jordon
Wayne Fernandez wrote in message
>It is not as bad as it sounds. 45" flatheads use a heck of a lot of oil.
>For example, mine would burn a quart in 500 miles and it had a tight motor.
>Factor in the oil lost through the non return primary oiler and if you have
>the rear chain oiler active and there is just not a whole lot of reason to
>change the oil. Heck, it's gone before it has a chance to get very dirty.
I guess it helps keep the dust down too.
Jordon
heekster
with an ego the size of the Louisiana Purchase, and a Planck length
penis, wrote:
>
<snipped it, cuz it was a waste>
Brett, you old marmot felching, fellator of diseased yaks. Welcome to
the group! We haven't had anyone this appallingly misanthropic, and
just plain spiteful, since the Chebucto Chunderhead. We do appreciate
your attempting to crawl out of the primordial slime, and better
yourself, by posting in here. Unfortunately, you were bettered in the
entrance exam, by a frozen turnip, a broken toaster, and a stretched
Panhead primary chain. Your habit of picking scabs, is, well, stupid.
The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has said: "Jacobs is transcendentally stupid."
Regarding Jacobs, Pope John Paul II said: "If I waddna the pope, I'da
kicka you stupid monkey ass."
Jimmy Durante came back from the dead to say: "Dat Tree Fingers is so
stoopid, I never seen nuttin stoopider. Inka-dinka-doo."
Scarlett O'hara, of Gone with the Wind, said: "Oh Brett, I do believe
you are the stupidest man, I've evah seen."
Stephen Hawking, in "A Brief History Of How Stupid Jacobs Is", stated:
Brett is an example of what we call Singularity Stupid. Stupid
collapsed on itself so far, that even the neutrons have collapsed.
Stupid gotten so dense, that no intellect can escape, kind of stupid.
He emits more stupid in one second, than the entire galaxy emits in a
year.
The Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, pointed at you, and
said, "STUPID!!"
Howard Cosell: "Well, Brett...
After your inept displays,
Of egregious intellectual dysfunction,
There remains but one question.
How could anyone be so stupid?"
The State of Texas, has passed a resolution to have a, "Gawdam, that 3
Fingers Boy is so stupid, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot, with a
hole in the toe, and instructions on the heel" day. Because of your
*Texas-sized* stupidity.
Bob Dole said: "Bob Dole says that Jacobs is stupid, and when Bob Dole
says that Jacobs is stupid, Bob Dole means what he says. Stupid. Right."
Oprah Winfrey says, "Hi, on "Oprah" today, we are discussing how Brett
Jacobs can be that stupid."
Beck has written a song with the lyrics: "Jacobs is a loser, baby, why
don't ya kill him"
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid,
nasty and profane. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on
you, and laugh. You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are
ridiculous and obnoxious. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless
void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile
one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling meat slapper.
Everything you have ever posted, or said, has been done before. And it
was better, the last time. You are a half-witted peter puffer, and you
clearly show yourself to be the most socially-inept, boorish,
flame-inviting idiot that ever has ever posted in the newsgroups.
You repeatedly initiate incoherent, flaky, boring, and mindless threads,
and you egregiously assume moral, intellectual, and physical
superiority. It must suck to be you, but then, you already know this.
You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of rmh. You have greatly
misunderstood the purpose of the Usenet. You are a loser. You must have
spent your entire life in a skinner box to be this clueless.
Did I mention that you are stupid? I cannot believe how incredibly
stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid.
Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole
different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid.
Meta-stupid.
You are so stupid you make Beavis and Butt-Head look like Nobel Prize
winners.
You clearly show yourself to be the most neanderthal, snotty,
first-against-the-wall-when-the-revolution-comes, raving, hemorrhoidal
misogynistic, slope-browed, eye-rollingly-sub-human, crappy,
threat-to-the-gene-pool, backwards, in-bred, sack-of-pus,
walking-advertisement-for-a-state-sponsored-sterility-program,
boot-licking, unfit-for-human-consumption, irritating, disgusting,
onerous, worse-speller-than-I, glassy-eyed, flame-inviting, creepy,
spiritually-devoid, whiny, needing-of-professional-supervision,
humorless, vile, sexually-undesirable, hell's-pawn,
lacking-in-any-sort-of-grace-or-erudition, "Me-Too"-posting, addled,
un-repentantly-and-wickedly-perverse, trash-talking, toejam-sniffing,
anus-for-a-mouth, toad-like, trying-on-one's-patience, filthy,
sheet-and-pointy-hat-wearing, evil, reprehensible, mucus-dripping,
just-turn-them-insideout-for-a-few-more-days-smelly-underthings-wearing,
no-neuron, sunken-chested, piss-poor, foul-mouthed, scum-sucking,
rent-boy, sickeningly-ugly, clue-repulsing, "Make-Money-Fast"-spamming,
bringing-a-pen-knife-of-an-intellect-to-a-nukefest-of-a-battle-of-wits,
incapable-of-coming-to-terms-with-your-own-wretched-existence,
white-trash, boorish, rat-like,
living-proof-of-why-cousins-shouldn't-marry,
can't-be-allowed-sharp-objects, socially-inept, classless, inexcusable,
plaid-pants-wearing, zt00pId-laMer-Ta1k3inG, netscape-enhanced,
offensive, hate-filled, god-damnedest, insulting, unredeemable,
make-me-wish-I-had-a-big-hammer-to-beat-some-sense-into-you,
fearlessly-posting-disgusting-insults-with-a-stupid-handle, idiot that
ever has ever obtained Usenet access.
And I wish you would go away. Realistically, I don't think you have the
intellectual wherewithal to make such a decision, i.e., a correct one.
So you will stay here, spooging your petty hatreds and minor thoughts,
into the ether, annoying any and all, until someday, someone, is gonna
grab ya by the ears, and pull ya on like a sock.
the heekster
'55FLE
Jordon
heekster wrote in message
>Brett "3 Fingers" Jacobs, he of the alligator mouth and canary asshole,
>with an ego the size of the Louisiana Purchase, and a Planck length
>penis, wrote:
<snipped and saved the entire motherfuckin thing>
(hi 5'n to the heek)
Jordon
slugbrother number two
Tim Moore
> No, it's a keeper. Next time the oil thread fires up (probably next
> Tuesday) we'll post the bugger up and hope it does the trick. Not that
> it will, of course...
>
> I'm going out in the desert at the weekend.
>
> Really? Well, make sure you take plenty of water!
>
> Do you think I should take still water or Perrier water?
>
> Er ... it doesn't really matter as long as you drink enough.
>
> Yeah, but Perrier must be better 'cos they charge a lot for it
> and it's sparkly too.
>
> Well, OK, fine, take Perrier then
>
> But is it any better than still water?
>
> Well, no, not really. You just have to remember to drink it.
>
> Yeah, but I want to be sure I'm using the _best_ water...
>
> Look, it really doesn't fucking well matter...
>
> You don't know, do you? You stand there dispensing bleedin'
> advice but you don't really know the answer, do you?
>
> buries the body in the desert only to die shortly afterwards of heat
> prostration due to all the digging and not taking enough water.
>
> --
> Regards --- Michael
That's a good one -- well done. Drinks on me for this work of art.
--
- Tim Moore, `95 FXDWG
Transmitting "Live" from Fredericksburg, VA
Putt (Ray Zaney)
>Hey Putt,
> What ya drinkin?, I'm buying. Hope your recovery is goin'
>smoothly.
Thanks Maggie. I'm healing up ok but cabin fever has set in.
Two more weeks by my count before I can officially start doing
some small stuff. I don't think I can wait that long though
and I'll probably end up in the shop this weekend sorting out
hand tools and getting the work bench ready for a few projects.
BTW, that was close enough to "Ultimate Wisdom" for me.
Putt (Ray Zaney)
>Roger M <rma...@shentel.net> wrote:
>> Change oil often. I change my
>> oil every 1500 miles. There you have it another worthless opinion on
>> motor oils. For what it's worth.
>
>Probably a good idea. Do you also change the filter each time or every
>other time?
Change the filter with the oil. I've started taking my filters
apart to see what it is picking up. At MITM '96 I found the
finely ground remains of my oil pump drive gears.