Spring Enthusiast
Glenn Stanton
> It looks to me like another case of some dumbass doing a poorly
> reasearched, half-assed attempt at jouralism that, as always, falls
> way short of the mark. It's nauseating to see a few words thrown
> together just to meet a deadline by someone who cares nothing about
> the topic.
it is kinda strange. you read a magazine and maybe find the content
a little (or a lotta) light and you have to wonder: what do these journalists
do in their spare time? look, most moto rags have around a four month delay
from the time that something happens and you see it in print. now suppose that
the publishers wants your work two months in advance (so they can edit it and
get it typeset... arrange the adverts...).
why would it take you two months to write a few pages (of crap mostly) and
still get it wrong? I've seen postings that are longer and include a great
deal more content, references, and consideration, and were written as, say, a
response to a query, than many articles where the writer had, at least, two
months to write it!
now I realize that a journalist has to write a great deal (hopefully!) to
earn their living, but if you're going to do something, do it right! maybe
that's why I end up reading rags like motorcyclist and iron horse, and just
looking at the pictures in most of the others...
lata'
ASSHOLE#21
Mark W. Sandifer
Did anyone read the latest "Enthusiast" magazine? There was an article
about cruising the information highway. The article mentioned AOL,
Genie and a couple of other services but made no reference to R.M.H. I
couldn't help but believe that they must be ignoring this group because
of the rampant disgust with "The Company". Between that article and
the arogant article about copyreich and trademarx enforcement, I was
beginning to wonder why I still get that magazine. In fact, will I be
on their mauling list forever? Anybody else have any thoughts about
these articles or the mag itself?
Mark Sandifer
FXLR
George Grevera
>H.O.G. dues translate into an insurance discount and to a 15% rebate on
>purchases at the local HD shop. I guess the dues are worth it in oil,
>filters, plugs, etc. and insurance. I was wondering do all HD shops
>give rebates to H.O.G. members?
>MWS
Hannum's in Media, PA, gives a 10% discount to its HOGgers (I think they
are going to change it to 5% if they haven't already). And you have to
be a member of HOG National _and_ their local chapter.
G Karner
I wish the college I worked for wasn't too cheap to get
> a newsreader service.
> Barb
> Bitch #2
I wish that I had someone to pay for my access to. I would bet anything that
you don't even own the computer that you're using to access this newsgroup. I
feel so sorry for you. Get a life and pay your own way or get the hell out of
here. This is a biker bar you know. Ace
Barb28
>stuff deleted about the enthusiast
I saw that article too and noticed how the groups had been left out. We
may be better off. I wish the college I worked for wasn't too cheap to get
a newsreader service. I could acess other than AOL. I try my best without
a reader.
The article boasted about bigtwin. That service is always empty....
nothing there that you can't read in the mag. Not impressed.
Barb
Bitch #2
93 FXRS
putt
> I wish the college I worked for wasn't too cheap to get
> > a newsreader service.
> > Barb
> > Bitch #2
> I wish that I had someone to pay for my access to. I would bet anything tha
> you don't even own the computer that you're using to access this newsgroup.
I
> feel so sorry for you. Get a life and pay your own way or get the hell out
f
> here. This is a biker bar you know. Ace
Barb does pay her own way. Barb is a regular here, you arn't.
Now go sit in a FRONT booth with the rest of the clueless.
So far all you have done is tell a story about wreckin your bike and
flame a bunch of people. You have no class. You have no history
here. You remind me of a 55gal drum. The empty ones make a lot of
noise.
Would you walk into an unknowen biker bar and start a bunch of shit
with the regulars? Only if you had a death wish. Would you mouth of
to a lady you didn't know in a strange biker bar? Only if you had a
death wish.
You got a death wish or are you just bein stupid? Maybe you should
use that head of yours for something besides holding your ears apart.
An apology to Barb would be in order about now, or don't they show any
respect for the ladies where you come from? Didn't you say you were
from Texas? Sounds more like Newark NJ gutter-rat talk.
Either apologize to Barb or fill your hand.
--
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ASSHOLE #019 *** faster horses, older whiskey
NRA Life Member *** younger women, more money
G Karner
In article <3j8nsv$9...@omnifest.uwm.edu>, <step...@omnifest.uwm.edu> writes:
> Ace spews:
>
> snip
> >This is a biker bar you know. Ace
>
> Get a beer, go sit in the corner, and come back and apologize to her when you
> can be nice again. That's a good boy.
>
> peace
>
> Jonathan
>
What the fuck does how long the Bitch has been around have anything to do
about anything. I'll tell you one thing right now Jonathan, I can see why
you hang around a virtual biker bar, If you hung around any of the real
biker bars I do you'd have your ass kicked from here to forever for calling
a biker a boy. Just in case you think i'm hiding from you and your pussy
loving attitude feel free to email me and I'll be glad to tell you when and
where you can call me a boy to my face any time you want..I travel each and
every year and cover much of the US so I should be quite handy to you some
time in the future, just let me know how to find you
Ace
Jim Combs
In article <3j2j2i$g...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, m.san...@mail.utexas.edu
> Hello,
> Did anyone read the latest "Enthusiast" magazine? There was an article
> about cruising the information highway. The article mentioned AOL,
> Genie and a couple of other services but made no reference to R.M.H. I
> couldn't help but believe that they must be ignoring this group because
> of the rampant disgust with "The Company".
> Mark Sandifer
I haven't seen what's going on elsewhere (Genie, etc.), but I can't
imagine everyone there painting a beautiful picture of the Motor Co.
The facts are the facts. The H-D company is not being praised by
bikers here on r.m.h or anywhere else that I know of. The pinhead
that wrote the article probably just never heard of the Internet.
It looks to me like another case of some dumbass doing a poorly
reasearched, half-assed attempt at jouralism that, as always, falls
way short of the mark. It's nauseating to see a few words thrown
together just to meet a deadline by someone who cares nothing about
the topic.
Are ya listening H-D? How 'bout you, pinhead? Yeah you, the dumbass
that wrote the article. Well?
Course not. Bunch o' cowards.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jim Combs Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, TX
'91 XLH Sportster 1200 jimc...@bnr.ca
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Brian Chandler
[snip]
> beginning to wonder why I still get that magazine. In fact, will I be
> on their mauling list forever? Anybody else have any thoughts about
> these articles or the mag itself?
You'll be on the list as long as you pay your dues to H.O.G. As far as
... thoughts ... on the article and/or mag, here's a little
mathmatical theorem:
thoughts = opinions
opinions are congruent to assholes - everybody has an asshole! :-)
Sorry just a little math fun to brighten a gloomy day.
Brian Chandler
Delco Electronics Corp.
Ph:(317)451-3217
E-mail:blcha...@kobcic04.delcoelect.com
'93 XLH 883 - SOLD '96 FLSTF - EXPECTING
"My occupational hazard be, my occupation is just not around." - J. Buffett
DickNN6U
>loving attitude feel free to email me and I'll be glad to tell you when
and
>where you can call me a boy to my face any time you want..I travel each
and
>every year and cover much of the US so I should be quite handy to you
some
>time in the future, just let me know how to find you
Whoa, we got another real bad ass biker here in the VB&G don't we. Shit I
am going to hide in the shitter 'till he leaves. I don't want to see
this, it's going to be messy. Why rely on e-mail boy ? Why not just put
it out here on the bar so we all can know when and where we can call you
boy, or is that fagboy or dogboy or pussyboy ?
Thake your tough guy bull shit outta here.
Dick - Peoples Republik of Chino
Jonathan H. Stephens
It's much too much work, and repulsive, to repeat your angry drivel.
Anyone ho wants to know what I'm responding to should go back to message #
16328 re: spring enthusiast.
Ace, it's not a loving attitude I have, it's tolerance born of having
lived a long time in a world with people with attitudes similar to yours. I
hang out in bars tough enough to have learned that the only thing gained by
getting hit is the knowledge that it hurts. That doesn'y mean I'm not
willing, just that It's no longer my first choice.
If you really feel compelled to come find me, I live in Milwaukee. Go
to the butt end of 2nd street, near the Allen Bradley clock tower and knock on
the only door you see. If they let you in, ask them where to find me. If you
know where this is, then you know I don't fuck around. If you don't, I
suggest you find out first.
Please don't mistake this for a challenge. As I indicated before, I
have been hit in the head enough toknow there are alternatives. Let me suggest
that you not find out what they might be.
peace
Jonathan
Mark W. Sandifer
blcha...@koptss01.delcoelect.com (Brian Chandler) writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> > beginning to wonder why I still get that magazine. In fact, will I be
> > on their mauling list forever? Anybody else have any thoughts about
> > these articles or the mag itself?
>
>
> You'll be on the list as long as you pay your dues to H.O.G. As far as
> ... thoughts ... on the article and/or mag, here's a little
> mathmatical theorem:
H.O.G. dues translate into an insurance discount and to a 15% rebate on
Kenton E. Zahrt
>purchases at the local HD shop. I guess the dues are worth it in oil,
>filters, plugs, etc. and insurance. I was wondering do all HD shops
>give rebates to H.O.G. members?
>MWS
No. In Dallas, H-D of Dallas gives 10%, H-D of N. Texas gives 0%.
Here's to wind in your face...
Ken
Fehorse
Fehorse
Fehorse
>Date: 95-03-05 01:35:36 EST
>From: step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens)
>To: feh...@aol.com
>Fehorse,
>could you do me a favor and forward that last message to the group?
>My reader's gone a bit off and is sending things as private that I mean
to
>post. Sorry for the trouble. Thanks.
>By the way, the apology is also to you.
>Jonathan
No sweat Jon.
Fehorse
>Subject: Re: Spring Enthusiast
>Date: 95-03-05 01:30:42 EST
>From: step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens)
>To: feh...@aol.com
>I would like to ask the forgiveness of all of you (well, most of you) for
>taking up bandwicth with my response to Ace
>(Sorry Penny, I meant _bandwidth_)
>My girlfriend just met my girlfriend and just when I thought I could get
off
>to Daytona and trade one type of heat for another I find that I have to
stay
>in the cold North while all my buds are heading for the beach. I'm a bit
>testy.
>Oh well, life's a bitch and then you find out you are one.
>peace
>Jonathan
Jim Combs
In article <stanton_glenn-0...@stanton.ny.jpmorgan.com>,
stanto...@jpmorgan.com (Glenn Stanton) writes:
>
[snip]
>
> now I realize that a journalist has to write a great deal (hopefully!) to
> earn their living, but if you're going to do something, do it right! maybe
> that's why I end up reading rags like motorcyclist and iron horse, and just
> looking at the pictures in most of the others...
>
I think you've hit it here. I see more and more people who don't care
about the work they do lately. They're just 'earning their living' by
squeeking by and doing as little as possible. Civilization seems to
be on the decay. Hell, we've got a whole generation on the way
called 'slackers'.
People in a service-type of position are perfect examples of this. Remember
the attitude 'The customer is always right'?. When is the last time anyone's
felt that attitude outta someone they've had to deal with? Pretty rare, I'd
bet. The new new 'tude is 'Pay fer yer shit and get out'.
It's just a sign of the times I guess.
Barb28
>stuff deleted
Thanks for sticking up for me. I sent him a bitch letter...
Barb
Barb28
>a little attitude music......
Sounds like the kind of guy I want to know...... not.
WHat do you think girls???? HEy Gayle, where did this one come from.
Barb'
Bitch #2
Barb28
>some senseless drivel about this harley woman
Hey ace, I am sitting in my house reading your post on the computer I paid
for. From the service I pay for, and why the hell are you flaming me?
I work at the college and make less than 23000 a year. I am not a rub or a
poser. I have been around bikes all my life. I think I may go out and look
at the bike that the bank and I own now.
barb
bitch #2
Brian Chandler
In article <3j8nsv$9...@omnifest.uwm.edu>, step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens) writes:
> Ace spews:
>
> snip
>
> >This is a biker bar you know. Ace
I thought the "Ace" was a Honda copy of a Harley.
Tom Furukawa
Stupid stuff deleted..
>a biker a boy. Just in case you think i'm hiding from you and your pussy
>loving attitude feel free to email me and I'll be glad to tell you when and
>where you can call me a boy to my face any time you want..I travel each and
>every year and cover much of the US so I should be quite handy to you some
>time in the future, just let me know how to find you
>Ace
>
>
Well, ACE congratulation on pissing off every person in the RMH-VB&G.
I think you made the Kill file on a lot of people's lists.
A bit of warning though, before you start making threats to people at the B&G,
keep in mind that the locals here have something that you obviously don't.
Friends in RMH-VB&G. Friends are something you get when you have been here
for a while, so I guess it does matter how long a person has been around.
-Fuke
L24...@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
Take a look where she's postin' from. AOL!! Duh... You think she
ain't payin' her own way? I wish I could say I felt sorry for *you*.
You're the sorry one here. And the only one leaving will be you.
That's right, you Ace. You better adjust your attitude a bit it
you want to survive. You can bet Barb is payin' own way. Always
has and always will.
I agree Putt and Jonathon, you owe Barb an apology. Don't be
surprised if she turns ya down. I wouldn't blame her. Ace, huh?
Is that what yer holdin'? Hope ya realize any pair beats an ace.
Later,
Scott
G Karner
> I thought the "Ace" was a Honda copy of a Harley.
I'm doing my best to just sit here in the front booth as I was instructed
and keep my mouth shut. However I cannot let this pass. The ACE motorcycle
was a front runner of what you new commers to the American motorcycle world
Know as the Indian motorcycle.
ic...@imap1.asu.edu
: >My girlfriend just met my girlfriend
Ouch!!! Almost as bad as when your wife meets your wife!!
Sorry to hear that, Jonathan.
Barry
--
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Management Department, Arizona State University
Tempe, Arizona 85287-4006
(602) 965-3431 FAX (602) 965-8314
putt
How about some history on the ACE, (not the jap shit) like when it
was, the design, the designer, anything else you know about it.
How about it Ace? I'm always up for a bit of history. No use just
sittin up front twiddelin your thumbs.
DickNN6U
Nah, in this case it is a lousy copy of a biker...
Dave Strang
RAD...@ix.netcom.com (Rick Diaz) writes:
> In <3jgq0i$f...@news.asu.edu> ic...@imap1.asu.edu writes:
>
> >
> >: >From: step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens)
> >: >My girlfriend just met my girlfriend
> >
> >Ouch!!! Almost as bad as when your wife meets your wife!!
> >Sorry to hear that, Jonathan.
> >
> >Barry
>
> How about my girlfriend just met my daughter...and they graduated high
> school together!
>
> RADRick, 1 sick puppy
Hell,
Here in appalachia they can be one and the same - or, like a guy in a
bar in Chas. WV. once told me: "I'd like you to meet my wife and my
sister" - I turned around and only saw one woman standing next to him.
EEEEWWWWW!
Strang
'Tis better to remain silent and seem a fool
than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Ohio University doesn't agree with me...why should you?
Ohio University Communication Network Services
23 Scott Quad
Athens Ohio 45701
(614) 593-1606
Str...@oumail1.email.ohiou.edu
1990 XL-883.....R.I.P.
93 FLHS.... Primary Transportation
Rick Diaz
>
>: >From: step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens)
>: >My girlfriend just met my girlfriend
>
>Ouch!!! Almost as bad as when your wife meets your wife!!
>Sorry to hear that, Jonathan.
>
>Barry
How about my girlfriend just met my daughter...and they graduated high
Bill Burton
Funny post Ace.
How's the pain killers?
the sled? You said you had two right?
Enjoy,
Bill
ic...@imap1.asu.edu
: In <3jgq0i$f...@news.asu.edu> ic...@imap1.asu.edu writes:
: >: >From: step...@omnifest.uwm.edu (Jonathan H. Stephens)
: >: >My girlfriend just met my girlfriend
: >
: >Ouch!!! Almost as bad as when your wife meets your wife!!
: >Sorry to hear that, Jonathan.
: How about my girlfriend just met my daughter...and they graduated high
: school together!
Hell, Rick, congratulations! Way to go, fella!!!
Kenton E. Zahrt
writes:
>How about my girlfriend just met my daughter...and they graduated high
>school together!
>
>RADRick, 1 sick puppy
>
Oh, yeah? How about when my girlfriend met my girlfriend, she said. "Mom!"
JON BOULLE
>Subject: Re: Spring Enthusiast
(snip)
ZD>JC>In article <3j2j2i$g...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, m.san...@mail.utexas.edu
> >(Mark W. Sandifer) writes:
> >> Hello,
>JC>The facts are the facts. The H-D company is not being praised by
> >bikers here on r.m.h or anywhere else that I know of. The pinhead
> >that wrote the article probably just never heard of the Internet.
ZD>For as many of us who didn't like the article...
>Why doesn't one of us write a better one and send it in. Hey! Maybe we
>could resell it to A.I.M. Then Thunder Alley would want a different
>spin on it and contact us. Wait... Wait... Wait...
>Then Hog Tales would send us an official
>"We-want-you-to-travel-the-highways-of-cyberspace-and-write-for-us!"
>certificate. They'll give the lucky cyber-biker bags of cash and then
>she/he can spool out the rest of her/his days cruising with the lastest
>little laptop tucked inside a saddle bag........
ZD>Well? It might work.
Thunder Alley is owned by Buzz "What is a Harley?" Kantner who also owns
A.I.M. These people IMHO will make up what ever they think will sell a
magazine. They don't want or need actual facts.
Jon ASSHOLE#24
---
þ QMPro 1.02 21-4423 þ If the attack is going too well, its an ambush. -Murphy-
Beth Zimmerman
>a little attitude music......
>Sounds like the kind of guy I want to know...... not.
>
>WHat do you think girls????
Where did this guy come from? Under a rock! This is a definite case of letting
an alligator mouth overide a humming bird ass. I like my men with a little
attitude, but not this attitude.
Beth Z
William L. Crawford
------snip------
|> How about some history on the ACE, (not the jap shit) like when it
|> was, the design, the designer, anything else you know about it.
|> How about it Ace? I'm always up for a bit of history. No use just
|> sittin up front twiddelin your thumbs.
|>
|>
|> --
|> Putt.... pu...@telerama.lm.com *** The secret of life:
|> ASSHOLE #019 *** faster horses, older whiskey
|> NRA Life Member *** younger women, more money
ACE/America 1919-1929
William "Bill" Henderson sold hissold his famous four-cylinder Henderson
in 1917 to the Chicago-based Schwinn company and in 1919 founded the
ACE Motor Corporation in Philadelphia. There he once more built four-
cylinder air-cooled in-line unit-design motorcycles with 1168cc, later
1229cc and 1266cc engines.
--
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PTO Systems, Ford Motor Co. | Phone: (313)323-0856
Not an official spokesperson of Ford | Fax: (313)845-4440
Rick Diaz
jon.b...@bbs1984.chi.il.us (JON BOULLE) writes:
>
>B>ÿ@FROM :bar...@aol.com
N
>
>B>Mark writes:
>
>B>>stuff deleted about the enthusiast
>
>
>B>I saw that article too and noticed how the groups had been left out.
We
> >may be better off. I wish the college I worked for wasn't too cheap
to get
> >a newsreader service. I could acess other than AOL. I try my best
without
> >a reader.
>
>B>The article boasted about bigtwin. That service is always empty....
> >nothing there that you can't read in the mag. Not impressed.
>
>B>Barb
> >Bitch #2
> >93 FXRS
>
>
>How can everybody miss that damned editorial justifying the trademark
>wars that H-D has started with everybody they can easily beat? That
>piece of literary excellence really frosted my buns. They made a little
>joke about a little old lady knitting potholders and how she is doing
>time over it. I know it was just a joke but there is more truth in it
>than anybody realizes.
>
>About three years ago, the trademark nazis (aka H-D) along with a posse
>of armed NJ state troopers with guns drawn kicked in the door of a
small
>shop in NJ. The young lady behind the counter freaked and went into
>pre-mature labor and lost her baby as a result. The rumor has it that
>H-D shelled out $6 million. But the court record is sealed. So only
>rumor will suffice at this point.
>Hey H-D corporate pinheads, if you are reading this, how come, if you
>are so nice about enforcing your trademark status, you don't open these
>court records for public perusal. Let us be the judge of how nice you
>are.The only people who are standing up to H-D are the Harley
Rendezvous people in NY. So support them in their efforts. Buy their
officially unlicensed t-shirt.
>
>Jon ASSHOLE#24
>
>---
> þ QMPro 1.02 21-4423 þ If the attack is going too well, its an ambush.
-Murphy-
>
As one who used to sell genuine H-D shirts with my shop logo on the back
until the trademark Nazi's came a callin' I know first hand about
freedom being shutout by money and intimidation. Think about this: I buy
genuine t-shirts from an authorized distributor. Shouldn't it be my
right to do with them as I please so long as I don't misrepresent
myself? What dingbat is going to mistake a dealership for an
independent based on a t-shirt logo so long as it doesn't use any H-D
trademarked logo or shape? I paid full pop for the shirts and they say I
can't put my shop name on the back. Is that fair? A court probably
wouldn't think so but who do you think would win this pissing match?
Fear and intimidation is the number one seller from Milwaukee. Ask the
guys at Fog Hollow (formerly Hog Hollow) or CCI, among others.
RADRick
Rick Diaz
>Speaking of mags, I just bought the first "collector" issue of Quick
>Throttle from my buddy Joe Theresi. This mag sucks as bad as any of the
>rest of his crap. Save your dollars for something worthwhile.
>
>I guess finding a good magazine is like finding a good woman, ya gotta
>kiss a lot of toads before you find your princess. (As he speaks
through
>wart laden lips).
>
>Jon ASSHOLE#24
>
But Jon, what did you think of MY article? ;-]
RADRick
Kenton E. Zahrt
>As one who used to sell genuine H-D shirts with my shop logo on the back
>until the trademark Nazi's came a callin' I know first hand about
>freedom being shutout by money and intimidation. Think about this: I buy
>genuine t-shirts from an authorized distributor. Shouldn't it be my
>right to do with them as I please so long as I don't misrepresent
>myself? What dingbat is going to mistake a dealership for an
>independent based on a t-shirt logo so long as it doesn't use any H-D
>trademarked logo or shape? I paid full pop for the shirts and they say I
>can't put my shop name on the back. Is that fair? A court probably
>wouldn't think so but who do you think would win this pissing match?
>Fear and intimidation is the number one seller from Milwaukee. Ask the
>guys at Fog Hollow (formerly Hog Hollow) or CCI, among others.
>
>RADRick
>
God, I don't want to start a flame war, and I certainly don't care for the way H-D is being so
overbearing, but, at risk of pissing some people off...
A name is a very important thing, and the owner of that name should have the right to control
with whom that name is associated. Buying something gives you the right to use it, but I don't
believe that right extends to the right to freely associate your name with the originator's name.
For me, if I built something I would want to assure that those with whom my name was associated
were of a quality and type that met my approval. And yes, if because I had built a good
reputation for my products and somebody else wanted to profit from an association with my name
and the reputation that I built for it, then I would feel I had the right to a fair part of his
profit.
Don't mean to make any enemies here, and I ain't puttin' no-one down, either. I'm just
expressing my opinion.
Barb28
>the only people standing up to HD are the Harley Rendezvous folks in New
YOrk.
I support this party every year and leave a few brain cells behind as
well..
Good party. I already have my tickets for this year...
barb
Bitch #2
Jeff Faist x2283
: In message <3jue01$7...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, RAD...@ix.netcom.com (Rick Diaz) writes:
: God, I don't want to start a flame war, and I certainly don't care for the way H-D is being so
: overbearing, but, at risk of pissing some people off...
: A name is a very important thing, and the owner of that name should have the right to control
: with whom that name is associated. Buying something gives you the right to use it, but I don't
: believe that right extends to the right to freely associate your name with the originator's name.
: For me, if I built something I would want to assure that those with whom my name was associated
: were of a quality and type that met my approval. And yes, if because I had built a good
: reputation for my products and somebody else wanted to profit from an association with my name
: and the reputation that I built for it, then I would feel I had the right to a fair part of his
: profit.
: Don't mean to make any enemies here, and I ain't puttin' no-one down, either. I'm just
: expressing my opinion.
: Here's to wind in your face...
: Ken
well yea but I can understand the use of fatboy, lowrider, hd, harley, etc etc
because it was HD that came up with those names in the first place.
its the names that the public came up with and have been using for years
that HD is now tring to copyright. I dont think that hd came up with
ape hangers, hog, etc. but I could be wrong.
hell did they even start the pan, shovel , block head names too or is that
what the people started.?
Troll
--
Rick Diaz
writes:
I still can't see how someone could confuse my indepenent shop as being
the manufacturer just because my shop name is on the back of a t-shirt.
Auto shops don't get sued by Ford, Chevy or Chrysler for the same kind
of thing. Is this really a threat to Harley(tm)? I think not. Ask
yourself how much cheaper would that Hog(tm) be if Harley(tm) saved all
the money they spend on intimidating guys like me with high powered
attorneys?
RADRick
Charles Hays
{Ken's erudite analysis of trademark issues zapped}
On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, Troll scratched his beard and rebutted:
> its the names that the public came up with and have been using for years
> that HD is now tring to copyright. I dont think that hd came up with
> ape hangers, hog, etc. but I could be wrong.
>
> hell did they even start the pan, shovel , block head names too or is that
> what the people started.?
As I was given to understand, Knucklehead, Panhead, and Shovelhead were
originally names given by the motoring public. In course of time they
were accepted into general usage and the Company began identifying their
products by the names. However, when the Evolution was introduced, the
Company (Wallah, Wallah, Eeny-onny-oony...All Hail The Company!) decided
to cash in on the theory of the _evolution_ of the mill from the
Knucklehead on down. Harley itself (so I'm told) started the "Blockhead"
name.
As with most nicknames that are chosen rather than arising out of time
and circumstance, "Blockhead" (tm, I suppose) for some reason doesn't
seem to have a great number of fans. We talk about Pans, Knucks,
Shovels, Ironheads...and "Evos". I seem to recall seeing "Blockhead"
used most often in Easyriders Bike and Tattoo Show Results columns.
Any more creative explanations out there?
Skiv :)=)}
R. E. S.
Hays <ha...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
>
==snip==
>and circumstance, "Blockhead" (tm, I suppose) for some reason doesn't
>seem to have a great number of fans. We talk about Pans, Knucks,
I would think it hasn't become popular because 'blockhead' has always been
sort of a mild derogatory term.... I know I wouldn't want to refer to one of
my sleds with something having a negative connotation......
Stroker Ray
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
'55 Custom Hardtail + I don't try to explain why I ride a Harley +
'75 96cid FXE + For those who understand, no explanation is needed +
'91 FLHTC-Ultra + For those who don't, no explanation is possible +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIVE TO RIDE..... RIDE TO LIVE.... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Christofer deHahn
--
bar...@aol.com (Barb28) writes:
Jon writes:
Harley dealers and independent shops are suing HD.
As for the Harley Rendezvous, I don't support them anymore since they
instituted their NO COLORS policy. I don't support discrimination in any
way, shape or form.
CdH
<< Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >>
<< Storage Engineering deh...@shr.dec.com 508.841.3451 '91 Buell RS1200 >>
Wm Laubengayer
ha...@ucs.orst.edu says...
>
>As with most nicknames that are chosen rather than arising out of time
>and circumstance, "Blockhead" (tm, I suppose) for some reason doesn't
>seem to have a great number of fans. We talk about Pans, Knucks,
>Shovels, Ironheads...and "Evos". I seem to recall seeing "Blockhead"
>used most often in Easyriders Bike and Tattoo Show Results columns.
>
>Any more creative explanations out there?
>
>Skiv :)=)}
Not a creative explanation, but as you say a good nickname gets picked by
someone (or created) and it fits and catches on. There's no way to shove
a bad one down people's throats. Besides, "Blockhead" has all those
negative connotations (about the riders?). And "Sandwich head", another
one I've seen, just doesn't grab me in any way.
--
the Grouch; '88 R100GS, '91 FXRP | Standard Disclaimer:
AMA, HOG, MSF Instr, WoYEY, AAONMS | These stupid opinions are my own
Barb28
>stuff snipped about the Rendezvous.
Hi Chris,
I have seen colors at the 'vous since they instituted the no colors
policy. I don't know if it is selectively enforced or not... and I usually
don't wander too far after dark... so I still have no problem with the
folks... they were only trying to stop bad trouble from happening... I saw
some of that trouble and have seen some right around where I live. I
suppose being private property, they have the right to not allow someone
in that may cause trouble.. it is just like being barred for starting a
fight at a nightclub...
I had a benefit recently for a 16 year old that was killed in a mc
accident... there were going to be a lot of people there that knew nothing
of bikers or the lifestyle or the trouble we have been having here in the
Northeast. I asked people not to wear colors out of respect to the family.
I got two tires slashed on my truck for it. Better the tires than me,
but I feel I should have gotten the respect I asked for, as I respect
other peoples rules and reasons.
Don't forget , there are always two sides to every story.....
Barb
Bitch #2
Rick Diaz
>I had a benefit recently for a 16 year old that was killed in a mc
>accident... there were going to be a lot of people there that knew
nothing
>of bikers or the lifestyle or the trouble we have been having here in
the
>Northeast. I asked people not to wear colors out of respect to the
family.
>I got two tires slashed on my truck for it. Better the tires than me,
>but I feel I should have gotten the respect I asked for, as I respect
>other peoples rules and reasons.
>
>Don't forget , there are always two sides to every story.....
>
>Barb
>Bitch #2
>
Barb, I hate to disagree but I think you need to rethink your position
on this. As a former patchholder I know what it's like to be
discriminated against for nothing more than the stitching on your vest
(try wearing colors in Arizona:-(. Any member who is proud enough of his
club to pull on a patch would feel like you had asked him to take off
his skin. What is it about a patch that you felt would have been
disrespectful? Doesn't understanding come from meeting that which we are
unaware of and making it familiar? This would have been a good
ooportunity for these patchholders to mingle with the regular folk and
leave them with a good impression. Instead you interjected some
animosity between strangers because you made one group feel
uncomfortable for the sake of another. How are we going to break down
the stereotypes if even our own perpetuate them? I think the family
should have been touched by the show of support by fellow human beings.
Instead you reduced them to a label and as a biker you should know that
nothing pisses us off more than being labeled. Think about it.
RADRick
Barb28
>stuff deleted
I know what you mean about discrimination and stuff . I just didn't want
any trouble. There has been alot here. I refuse to take sides. I have
friends on both and it makes life hard sometimes. THe people in question
were supposed to have been told ahead of time and the father of the boy
was a former patchholder also and he is the one who requested that there
be no colors. I was between a rock and a hard place. It was alot of
misunderstanding and next year I will have to see how things go before I
make a decision.
ANyhow, I appreciate your imput and hope there are no hard feelings.
Barb
Bitch #2
Kenton E. Zahrt
>In <3kc0b3$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bar...@aol.com (Barb28) writes:
>
>>I had a benefit recently for a 16 year old that was killed in a mc
>>accident...
..snip...
>>I asked people not to wear colors out of respect to the family.
..snip...
>>I feel I should have gotten the respect I asked for, as I respect
>>other peoples rules and reasons.
>>
>>Don't forget , there are always two sides to every story.....
>>
>>Barb
>>Bitch #2
>>
>Barb, I hate to disagree but I think you need to rethink your position
>on this. As a former patchholder I know what it's like to be
>discriminated against for nothing more than the stitching on your vest
>(try wearing colors in Arizona:-(. Any member who is proud enough of his
>club to pull on a patch would feel like you had asked him to take off
>his skin. What is it about a patch that you felt would have been
>disrespectful? Doesn't understanding come from meeting that which we are
>unaware of and making it familiar? This would have been a good
>ooportunity for these patchholders to mingle with the regular folk and
>leave them with a good impression. Instead you interjected some
>animosity between strangers because you made one group feel
>uncomfortable for the sake of another. How are we going to break down
>the stereotypes if even our own perpetuate them? I think the family
>should have been touched by the show of support by fellow human beings.
>Instead you reduced them to a label and as a biker you should know that
>nothing pisses us off more than being labeled. Think about it.
>RADRick
>
I think, Rick, that your desire for better understanding is laudable. And, while we need to
confront that with which we are unfamiliar in order to understand it, still, might there not be a
better time and place to do it? If the family is under a lot of stress and grief from the loss
of their child, that is hardly the time to add to that stress, even if the cause is good.
Perhaps another way of leaving the family with a good impression would have been to make a
contribution to a memorial fund in the club's name, or some such. In other words, at that time
perhaps our concerns should be more with the family and _their_ needs, rather than our needs.
Unfortunately, the impression left by the patch wearers was ruined by their unnecessary act of
vandalism and disrespect to another biker.
Merely my opinion and some food for thought. {:-{)
Christofer deHahn
No doubt that there's been trouble in the past. It was not exclusively
--
bar...@aol.com (Barb28) writes:
>I have seen colors at the 'vous since they instituted the no colors
>policy. I don't know if it is selectively enforced or not...
IMO that's even worse than barring colors...because it reinforces the
discrimination.
>I suppose being private property, they have the right to not allow someone
>in that may cause trouble.. it is just like being barred for starting a
>fight at a nightclub...
IMO the proper way to prevent trouble is to have adequate security, not to
ban whole classes of people because of what they choose to wear.
>Don't forget , there are always two sides to every story.....
1@
caused by patcholders. Banning a subset of the people who've caused trouble
in the past is discriminatory and just plain foolish.
CdH
A#1
Mark Vogel {x66705 CF/DEV}
>As I was given to understand, Knucklehead, Panhead, and Shovelhead were
>originally names given by the motoring public. In course of time they
>were accepted into general usage and the Company began identifying their
>products by the names. However, when the Evolution was introduced, the
>Company (Wallah, Wallah, Eeny-onny-oony...All Hail The Company!) decided
>to cash in on the theory of the _evolution_ of the mill from the
>Knucklehead on down. Harley itself (so I'm told) started the "Blockhead"
>name.
>
>As with most nicknames that are chosen rather than arising out of time
>and circumstance, "Blockhead" (tm, I suppose) for some reason doesn't
>seem to have a great number of fans. We talk about Pans, Knucks,
>Shovels, Ironheads...and "Evos". I seem to recall seeing "Blockhead"
>used most often in Easyriders Bike and Tattoo Show Results columns.
>
>Any more creative explanations out there?
Well, I remember reading in _The Enthusiast_ when the Evolution was
introduced in 1984 that noneother than Willie G. himself suggested
that the nickname for this new motor should be the "E Head".
E for Evolution, and because the three horizontal lines in the letter E
resembled the three-piece rocker cover of the new motor.
So, I would say that "Blockhead" was chosen by the bikers, not the
Motor Co. Sounds better anyway.
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Chippewa Valley, Wisconsin
email: vo...@romulus.cray.com
1983 FXR "Rainmaker" <- It usually rains when I ride it
1995 FLHR "Thunderbolt" <- It's like a P-47, not a Buell
ABATE of WI <- 6 years
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