American flag stolen from HD dealer
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citizens donate money to replace flag. Harley dealer promises to "donate any
extra money to the Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based organization
that assists soldiers and their families."
Personally, I think George Latus should give *all* of the donated money to
Coalition of Troop Support.
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Police arrest student in theft of flag
A Tualatin High senior faces charges after the ripped flag, taken from a
business along I-205, is found under his bed
Thursday, February 24, 2005
EMILY TSAO
GLADSTONE -- A huge American flag that served as a landmark along Interstate
205 before disappearing earlier this week was found Wednesday stashed under
the bed of a Tualatin High School senior.
The theft of the 30-by-50-foot flag, ripped from a lighted pole at Latus
Motors Harley-Davidson, drew outrage and several thousand dollars in
donations to replace it.
Sean Beauchamp, 18, was arrested Wednesday on accusations of theft, criminal
mischief and abuse of a venerable object. He was booked into Clackamas
County Jail and released on $37,500 bail.
Gladstone police Sgt. Lynne Benton said Beauchamp has no criminal record and
offered no explanation for the flag under his bed.
Benton said investigators received about a dozen tips before information led
to Beauchamp.
Latus Motors employees last saw the flag about 9 p.m. Sunday. Word soon
spread that the landmark flag had been stolen, except for one tattered piece
of the blue field and stars visible to vehicles passing by on I-205. Late
Wednesday, police removed the last of the flag.
Over the past two days, the store's general manager, Tony Beyer, said dozens
of adults and children showed up to donate money from piggy banks and to
write checks for up to hundreds of dollars.
One Springfield resident called, offering to replace the flag, Beyer said.
"He had never seen the flag before but said that it was the most crazy,
wrong thing he had ever heard," Beyer said.
The store has ordered a new flag that cost about $1,900. It was unclear how
much it would cost to repair the flag pole, which was damaged during the
theft.
Donations already total about $3,000.
Store owner George Latus said the store will donate any extra money to the
Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based organization that assists
soldiers and their families.
The store, at 807 E. Berkeley St. in Gladstone, plans to hold a flag
ceremony March 12.
Theft and criminal mischief are class C felonies, punishable by a maximum
five-year sentence and a $125,000 fine. Abuse of a venerated object is a
class A misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail and
a $6,250 fine.
Emily Tsao: 503-294-5928; emil...@news.oregonian.com
roach
"DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Teenager pulls stupid stunt, steals giant flag from Harley dealer.
Concerned
> citizens donate money to replace flag. Harley dealer promises to "donate
any
> extra money to the Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based
organization
> that assists soldiers and their families."
> Personally, I think George Latus should give *all* of the donated money to
> Coalition of Troop Support.
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He sounds like a real asswipe to me, takin anybody's money to begin with.
>
Charlie Mingus
roach wrote:
>
> "DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:387n7oF...@individual.net...
> > Teenager pulls stupid stunt, steals giant flag from Harley dealer.
> Concerned
> > citizens donate money to replace flag. Harley dealer promises to "donate
> any
> > extra money to the Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based
> organization
> > that assists soldiers and their families."
> > Personally, I think George Latus should give *all* of the donated money to
> > Coalition of Troop Support.
>
> He sounds like a real asswipe to me, takin anybody's money to begin with.
What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
landmark that cost the owner thousands, that was stolen and destroyed,
and giving what's left over to a "cause?"
Reading the story yet again, my only hope is that Sean Beauchamp, the
stump stupid teen punk that literaly RIPPED it off, gets sent to a
Guantanamo bay prison camp....without a lawyer!
Sean Beauchamp only says: " How'd that known stolen item get under my
bed?"
roach
"Charlie Mingus" <B...@band.gov> wrote in message
news:421F9F72...@band.gov...
>
>
> roach wrote:
> >
> > "DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:387n7oF...@individual.net...
> > > Teenager pulls stupid stunt, steals giant flag from Harley dealer.
> > Concerned
> > > citizens donate money to replace flag. Harley dealer promises to
"donate
> > any
> > > extra money to the Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based
> > organization
> > > that assists soldiers and their families."
> > > Personally, I think George Latus should give *all* of the donated
money to
> > > Coalition of Troop Support.
>
> >
> > He sounds like a real asswipe to me, takin anybody's money to begin
with.
>
>
> What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
> landmark
It's a beloved landmark owned by him, a probably fairly well
off HD Dealer. Taking money from children is wrong. He should
have declined the money or donated all of it, andd replaced the flag
himself.
If it was a publicly owned landmark, that's one thing. But
it was owned by a private person/business who could
afford to replace it himself.
Bill Farnsworth
"roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:_GMTd.14938$x53....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Yer right!
Why?
Isn't that what insurance is for?
1. File a claim for the damaged flag and damaged flag pole.
2. The insurance pays for the replacement flag and the repair or replacement
the flag pole.
3. The insurance company files a lawsuit to recoup it's loss (Yes..... they
do that), against the 18 yr old kid (or his parents, or both) that stole and
defaced the flag and damaged the flag pole.
Donate all the money to the CTS.
Bill F.
BS #148
Dennis Dunaway
roach wrote:
>
> "Charlie Mingus" <B...@band.gov> wrote in message
> news:421F9F72...@band.gov...
> >
> >
> > roach wrote:
> > >
> > > "DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:387n7oF...@individual.net...
> > > > Teenager pulls stupid stunt, steals giant flag from Harley dealer.
> > > Concerned
> > > > citizens donate money to replace flag. Harley dealer promises to
> "donate
> > > any
> > > > extra money to the Coalition of Troop Support, a Portland-based
> > > organization
> > > > that assists soldiers and their families."
> > > > Personally, I think George Latus should give *all* of the donated
> money to
> > > > Coalition of Troop Support.
> >
> > >
> > > He sounds like a real asswipe to me, takin anybody's money to begin
> with.
> >
> >
> > What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
> > landmark
>
> It's a beloved landmark owned by him,
Indeed. It's owned by him, but admired by many.
What's yer point?
> a probably fairly well
> off HD Dealer.
So?
Does that make the crime any worse?
Or are you saying that "well off" people have to suck it up when poor
idiots commit crimes, and the rich haveto have their insurance companies
pay?
I didn't see where it said he was asking or begging for donations.
I could have sworn it said people came to HIM, BECAUSE they enjoyed
seeing that huge flag.
"Concerned citizens donate money to replace flag."
---"DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> himself!---
"Over the past two days, the store's general manager, Tony Beyer, said
dozens
of adults and children showed up to donate money from piggy banks and to
write checks for up to hundreds of dollars."
I could be mistaken, so do correct me if I am wrong.
Read the story again as written, and tell me again how "that rich man"
_TOOK_ money from children.
You almost make it sound like he personaly robbed those kiddies.
> Taking money from children is wrong.
No, it is not.
And don't confuse 'taking' offerings with "stealing!"
That "evil "rich man" as you put it, did not steal.
He was offered, and he took it!
AND he said he would put any excess monies accumulated, into a fund
that helps the US Armed Forces...The Coalition of Troop Support, a
Portland-based organization that assists soldiers and their families.
What the FUCK could be so wrong with that?
> He should
> have declined the money or donated all of it, andd replaced the flag
> himself.
Why?
Why do you hate people with money?
Why do always expect the rich to have to constanly have to pay for
others mistakes?
Don't you now realize that that new flag and pole is now THEIRS as well?
They loved it!
NOW they are a part of it!
"The store, at 807 E. Berkeley St. in Gladstone, plans to hold a flag
ceremony March 12."
I bet it will be a very special moment for them.
Yet you might find it disgusting, only because the people rallied.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Also:
Where did it say that he "took money" and only from "children"?
The story said he accepted donations.
I see that as a totally different thing.
Seems to me that the LOCAL YOCALS were more then happy to DONATE!
And with his saying that anything left over would go to "the cause" that
helps kids that lost fathers in the war... well, good for him!
> If it was a publicly owned landmark, that's one thing. But
> it was owned by a private person/business who could
> afford to replace it himself.
Hmmmm.
So it wrong for people to donate unless it's a "publicly owned" thing,
and also when the towns people come to the rescue of a "rich person" who
is doing good for the community, that too is wrong?
Well, I disagree.
And I still hope to hell that Sean Beauchamp, when convicted, goes
straight to hell... after he works off the entire donations.
Dennis Dunaway
Donate money?
Do they accept from "children"?
CTS? Aren't they "wealthy?"
roach
"Dennis Dunaway" <school's...@out.gov> wrote
> > > What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
> > > landmark
What's wrong with saying, "Yer a great bunch of Boy Scouts
for offering, as well as the rest of the local people who have
offered money, but as the owner of the flag, and being in a
good enough position monetarily to replace the flag myself,
if it will make you feel involved, donate the money to the
patriotic cause of your choice instead"
> >
> > It's a beloved landmark owned by him,
>
> Indeed. It's owned by him, but admired by many.
> What's yer point?
When I hear about a boy who has his wheel chair stolen and
can't afford another one, and the community donates, I'm touched.
When I hear a well off person has the misfortune to be ripped
off and he accepts donations from people who aren't as well
off as him, I'm nauseated.
> So?
> Does that make the crime any worse?
> Or are you saying that "well off" people have to suck it up when poor
> idiots commit crimes, and the rich haveto have their insurance companies
> pay?
Better the Boy Scouts should pay?
> I didn't see where it said he was asking or begging for donations.
>
> I could have sworn it said people came to HIM, BECAUSE they enjoyed
> seeing that huge flag.
> "Concerned citizens donate money to replace flag."
> ---"DE" <delle...@yahoo.com> himself!---
> "Over the past two days, the store's general manager, Tony Beyer, said
> dozens
> of adults and children showed up to donate money from piggy banks and to
> write checks for up to hundreds of dollars."
>
> I could be mistaken, so do correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Read the story again as written, and tell me again how "that rich man"
> _TOOK_ money from children.
> You almost make it sound like he personaly robbed those kiddies.
No, but he certainly took advantage of them if he keeps any of the
money for himself.
>
> > Taking money from children is wrong.
>
> No, it is not.
> And don't confuse 'taking' offerings with "stealing!"
Oh, fuck you! If I'm walking down the street hungover and
ragged, and some old lady offers me money for a meal even
if I didn't ask for it, and I take it, it's stealing.
> That "evil "rich man" as you put it, did not steal.
> He was offered, and he took it!
> AND he said he would put any excess
Yeah, excess, after he bought HIMSELF a new flag.
monies accumulated, into a fund
> that helps the US Armed Forces...The Coalition of Troop Support, a
> Portland-based organization that assists soldiers and their families.
>
> What the FUCK could be so wrong with that?
That he didn't give it *all* to them.
> Why do you hate people with money?
> Why do always expect the rich to have to constanly have to pay for
> others mistakes?
Like I said, they shouldn't. The Boy Scouts should.
>
> Hmmmm.
> So it wrong for people to donate unless it's a "publicly owned" thing,
> and also when the towns people come to the rescue of a "rich person" who
> is doing good for the community, that too is wrong?
You have a total misunderstanding of where I'm coming from.
It's not wrong of those people to donate money for their
landmark. I just think it's wrong for him to take any of it for
himself. Give it all to the troops.
> Well, I disagree.
OK.
roach
> > Donate all the money to the CTS.
>
> Donate money?
> Do they accept from "children"?
>
> CTS? Aren't they "wealthy?"
Heh. With that last remark you have made your point most
eloquently to me.
You're clueless.
pieface
AH#104
> Fine point, but did you have to leave 4 pages of
>non-relevant text to wade through to get to it?
He shoots.
He scores.
Butt, is *Tom* listening? <g>
--
ASSHOLE #104 Len
BS#90 Wolf#21 PHｩ#3 SENS MANS
'73XLH '99FXD '02FLHRI http://AH104.com
Old Crow
>
>"Dennis Dunaway" <school's...@out.gov> wrote
>
>> > > What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
>> > > landmark
>
>What's wrong with saying, "Yer a great bunch of Boy Scouts
>for offering, as well as the rest of the local people who have
>offered money, but as the owner of the flag, and being in a
>good enough position monetarily to replace the flag myself,
>if it will make you feel involved, donate the money to the
>patriotic cause of your choice instead"
>
I'm with you Roach. Not only that, it's better than even money that
the dealer's insurance would pick up the cost of a new flag.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLTC 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51, SPUNGER#2
Andy West
roach wrote:
>
> "Dennis Dunaway" <school's...@out.gov> wrote
> > Or are you saying that "well off" people have to suck it up when poor
> > idiots commit crimes, and the rich haveto have their insurance companies
> > pay?
>
> Better the Boy Scouts should pay?
They didn't have to.
They wanted to.
That poor rich bastard, didn't ask, beg, or whine.
People from all walks of life donated because they have feelings.
Hell, if I saw Bill Gates at a gas pump and I noticed that he "forgot
his wallet", I'd give him five bucks if I had it.
(course, I'd like an autograph in return)
> > You almost make it sound like he personaly robbed those kiddies.
>
> No, but he certainly took advantage of them if he keeps any of the
> money for himself.
Indeed. But the story didn't say he did or would.
That's why he said that any excess would be put into that fund.
And just how rich to you think he is, anyhow?
"It's a beloved landmark owned by him, a probably fairly well
off HD Dealer" is what you wrote.
"Probably fairly well off"? Hmmmm.
I wouldn't make that assumption, I could care less either way.
> > > Taking money from children is wrong.
> >
> > No, it is not.
> > And don't confuse 'taking' offerings with "stealing!"
>
> Oh, fuck you! If I'm walking down the street hungover and
> ragged, and some old lady offers me money for a meal even
> if I didn't ask for it, and I take it, it's stealing.
Again, I have to disagree. That's what we call "accepting" on my planet.
I have a few dollars, and if anybody just comes up to me and offers me
more, I will gladly accept it.
That simply does not make me a thief.
>
> > That "evil "rich man" as you put it, did not steal.
> > He was offered, and he took it!
> > AND he said he would put any excess
>
> Yeah, excess, after he bought HIMSELF a new flag.
That was the point. No reason everybody's insurance has to go up because
the punk that stole it can't afford to pay it back.
And before we move on, I'd like to ask you;
Do you think anything at all about the punk that stole and destroyed
that flag and the pole itself?
The reason I ask is, I think this went off on a wild tangent about whom
you might consider "rich" VS the other folks... "poor folks" that were
cutting checks for several hundred dollars, and nature of the real crime
itself.
Me? I wish I lived in that town!
Looks like they really look out for each other there, not caring that
it was "some wealthy bastard" that became a victim.
> monies accumulated, into a fund
> > that helps the US Armed Forces...The Coalition of Troop Support, a
> > Portland-based organization that assists soldiers and their families.
> >
> > What the FUCK could be so wrong with that?
>
> That he didn't give it *all* to them.
I don't believe he should have to.
NOW? The people that did donate money back into that flag and pole can
say" I helped buy that one after that cock sucking mutant, Sean
Beauchamp, may he rot in hell, destroyed it."
It would be a great feeling of pride as well as some of their dollars
went to that rather wealthy "other cause" that is taking money from
(gasp!) the "poor!"
Perhaps Latus Motors could make a plaque mentioning the great deed the
citizens made.(at the rich bastard's expense of course!:)
> > Why do you hate people with money?
> > Why do always expect the rich to have to constanly have to pay for
> > others mistakes?
>
> Like I said, they shouldn't. The Boy Scouts should.
No, they shouldn't.
Poor boyscouts aren't obligated to help rich old ladies cross the
street.
But when I was a lad, I was more then happy to do so anyway.
But I didn't know they were rich until they flipped me a quarter. :/
> > Hmmmm.
> > So it wrong for people to donate unless it's a "publicly owned" thing,
> > and also when the towns people come to the rescue of a "rich person" who
> > is doing good for the community, that too is wrong?
>
> You have a total misunderstanding of where I'm coming from.
> It's not wrong of those people to donate money for their
> landmark. I just think it's wrong for him to take any of it for
> himself. Give it all to the troops.
And again, here lies the other part of the misunderstanding, I believe.
Nowhere do I see him pocketing the money for a new bowling alley in his
luxury trailor. He just accepted money from willing, giving, people that
came out on their own free will, and THEN he said, "Hey! The rest goes
to that other thing."
I think that is heart warming.
>
> > Well, I disagree.
>
> OK.
Problem solved.
Case close, let the hanging of Sean "How'd dat stolen flag get dere
under my bed?" Beauchamp begin!
Victor Wooten
Old Crow wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:28:01 GMT, "roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dennis Dunaway" <school's...@out.gov> wrote
> >
> >> > > What's wrong with accepting money to restore and replace a beloved
> >> > > landmark
> >
> >What's wrong with saying, "Yer a great bunch of Boy Scouts
> >for offering, as well as the rest of the local people who have
> >offered money, but....
>
> I'm with you Roach. Not only that, it's better than even money that
> the dealer's insurance would pick up the cost of a new flag.
Insurance companies are worth Hundreds of Billions of dollars.
They take money from "poor people."
Hmmmm. Now? Somebody's rates are gonna go up! :/
And considering the deductable on a million+ dollar establishment like
any H-D dealership must be worth.....
Victor Wooten
Actually, I think I just inadvertantly pissed you off by showing the
hypocrasy of it all.
I didn't mean to do that.
But clueless?
Hardly!
roach
"Andy West" <D...@Dregs.gov> wrote
> Poor boyscouts aren't obligated to help rich old ladies cross the
> street.
> But when I was a lad, I was more then happy to do so anyway.
I still do.
> But I didn't know they were rich until they flipped me a quarter. :/
I was taught to not accept it in my troop.
Victor Wooten
Holding out for the bigger bucks, eh? :>
Did you perhaps accept a "thank you?"
Could that possibly be construed as a simular thing?
roach
"Victor Wooten" <Fl...@tones.gov> wrote in message
news:4220B726...@tones.gov...
>
>
> roach wrote:
> >
> > "Andy West" <D...@Dregs.gov> wrote
> >
> > > Poor boyscouts aren't obligated to help rich old ladies cross the
> > > street.
> > > But when I was a lad, I was more then happy to do so anyway.
> >
> > I still do.
> >
> > > But I didn't know they were rich until they flipped me a quarter. :/
> >
> > I was taught to not accept it in my troop.
>
> Holding out for the bigger bucks, eh? :>
>
>
> Did you perhaps accept a "thank you?"
Sure.
Victor Wooten
"There ya go"-- McCloud---
roach
"And you can take that to the bank, Willie"
Baretta
Tud
It's not his fault that people are ignorant enough to want to help him pay
for his promotional tools.
--
Tud
AH#115 SENS BS#111 LFS#32 FLF MISFIT
http://ah115.com
Donald Dunn
Tud wrote:
>
> roach wrote...
> > He sounds like a real asswipe to me, takin anybody's money to begin with.
>
> It's not his fault that people are ignorant enough to want to help him pay
> for his promotional tools.
Heh heh!
I love it!
A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
If I recall correctly, there is an equally sized (HUGE!) flag that is
shown-n-flowin' on the corner of Washington Ave. and (I forget exactly
where that intersection is off hand) in the Green brook area...next to a
bank, a few strip malls, and few gas stations.
What is that flag "promoting?"
Buy gas here?
Yer savings are safer?
The food here is mad cow free?
Bill Farnsworth
"Donald Dunn" <Duck@MG's.gov> wrote
> Heh heh!
> I love it!
> A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
>
> If I recall correctly, there is an equally sized (HUGE!) flag that is
> shown-n-flowin' on the corner of Washington Ave. and (I forget exactly
> where that intersection is off hand) in the Green brook area...next to a
> bank, a few strip malls, and few gas stations.
>
> What is that flag "promoting?"
>
> Buy gas here?
> Yer savings are safer?
> The food here is mad cow free?
You got it.
Taught in advertising 125.
You know right were you can go to buy, save and eat.
How many McDonald's have you seen with the American flag flying above the
Golden Arches flag? Most all of them have 'em. It skirts around some height
restrictions on promotional material by drawing your attention first to the
flag. (hook) Then as you get closer you notice actual product. (line)
And hopefully, you will be drawn in to purchase something (sinker).
(Doesn't work for everyone. Doesn't have too as long as it made you look.)
Bill F.
BS #148
Donald Dunn
Bill Farnsworth wrote:
>
> "Donald Dunn" <Duck@MG's.gov> wrote
> > Heh heh!
> > I love it!
> > A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
> >
> > If I recall correctly, there is an equally sized (HUGE!) flag that is
> > shown-n-flowin' on the corner of Washington Ave. and (I forget exactly
> > where that intersection is off hand) in the Green brook area...next to a
> > bank, a few strip malls, and few gas stations.
> >
> > What is that flag "promoting?"
> >
> > Buy gas here?
> > Yer savings are safer?
> > The food here is mad cow free?
>
> You got it.
> Taught in advertising 125.
> You know right were you can go to buy, save and eat.
> How many McDonald's have you seen with the American flag flying above the
> Golden Arches flag? Most all of them have 'em.
I have to admit that I have NEVER thought about that, nor have I ever
looked for US flags to find a McBurger whilst on the road.
> It skirts around some height
> restrictions on promotional material by drawing your attention first to the
> flag. (hook) Then as you get closer you notice actual product. (line)
> And hopefully, you will be drawn in to purchase something (sinker).
> (Doesn't work for everyone. Doesn't have too as long as it made you look.)
heh!
Are we saying that Sean Beauchamp stole just the 'merican flag and (not)
also a H-D flag that was not also hung and waving (let alone mentioned
as advertisment (hook line sunk!) in the breese?
The plot needs more thickening agents!
I prefer arrow root or instant mashed 'taters.
Chilly
I for one equate waving the flag with patriotism, goodness, and the
American Way. The bigger the flag, the better the American flying it, I
say. Ever'one would do well to choose a vendor by the size of their
flag. No flag? Fuck the commie bastids!
--
Chilly - The Red State Slug
BS#226 GLANS MANS
www.chilly-willy.net
Tony Levin
Chilly wrote:
> I for one equate waving the flag with patriotism, goodness, and the
> American Way. The bigger the flag, the better the American flying it, I
> say. Ever'one would do well to choose a vendor by the size of their
> flag. No flag? Fuck the commie bastids!
Oh drat!
I have flags of equal size from "Denmark, Germany, Taiwan, USA, China,
and that crazy Czech" place on hand!
I just have mounted them to show that my IHOP is indeed that.
Fuck the French! :>
roach
"Donald Dunn" <Duck@MG's.gov> wrote
> The plot needs more thickening agents!
>
> I prefer arrow root or instant mashed 'taters.
Arrowroot is good if you need just a little extra
thickening after the fact. I never tried instant taters.
Thanks for the tip.
Chef Roach
roach
"Bill Farnsworth" <bill.fa...@verizon.net> wrote
> You got it.
> Taught in advertising 125.
> You know right were you can go to buy, save and eat.
> How many McDonald's have you seen with the American flag flying above the
> Golden Arches flag? Most all of them have 'em. It skirts around some
height
> restrictions on promotional material by drawing your attention first to
the
> flag. (hook) Then as you get closer you notice actual product. (line)
> And hopefully, you will be drawn in to purchase something (sinker).
> (Doesn't work for everyone. Doesn't have too as long as it made you look.)
>
> Bill F.
> BS #148
And my Boy Scout manual says the American Flag should never be used
for advertising....
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roach
"Tony Levin" <Ki...@Crimson.gov> wrote in message
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As long as the American flag is on a higher pole than the rest of them,
that's fine. In American Flag etiquette, it's not size, but height that
matters.
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Roach AH#123, A Hoodlum© Asshole(tm)
"but I don't mean that in a bad sort of a way"
Nancy
> u have a total misunderstanding of where I'm coming from.
> It's not wrong of those people to donate money for their
> landmark. I just think it's wrong for him to take any of it for
> himself. Give it all to the troops.
If they want to donate to the troops' families, they can do that, too.
("Support our troops," the new sacred cow.) But they CHOSE to donate to
replace the flag. That is what they want to do with their money. It
makes them feel good to do that with their money. Turning away
donations is pretty rude. When people feel so moved as to donate to a
cause, the donations should be graciously accepted, not diverted to
some other purpose, however noble that other purpose might seem.
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Nancy
Bitch 27
"a surge of something almost primal" -- R.E.
'97 XL 1200 C
'87 FXR "Highly Dangerous" (thanks, sweetie)
slap my face to get my attention
Tud
> Bill Farnsworth sed:
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>> Donald Dunn wrote
>>> Heh heh!
>>> I love it!
>>> A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
> I for one equate waving the flag with patriotism, goodness, and the
> American Way.
And what Harley dealer wouldn't want you to think that when it's waving
above their shop? Thanks for making my point.
roach
"Nancy" <mcnameen...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2005022713413943658%mcnameen001myface@hawaiirrcom...
> On 2005-02-25 15:28:01 -1000, "roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> said:
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> > u have a total misunderstanding of where I'm coming from.
> > It's not wrong of those people to donate money for their
> > landmark. I just think it's wrong for him to take any of it for
> > himself. Give it all to the troops.
>
> If they want to donate to the troops' families, they can do that, too.
> ("Support our troops," the new sacred cow.) But they CHOSE to donate to
> replace the flag. That is what they want to do with their money. It
> makes them feel good to do that with their money. Turning away
> donations is pretty rude. When people feel so moved as to donate to a
> cause, the donations should be graciously accepted, not diverted to
> some other purpose, however noble that other purpose might seem.
> --
> Nancy
> Bitch 27
You're a fuckin' moron!
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Chilly
> Chilly wrote...
>> Bill Farnsworth sed:
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>>>
>>> Donald Dunn wrote
>>>> Heh heh!
>>>> I love it!
>>>> A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
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>> I for one equate waving the flag with patriotism, goodness, and the
>> American Way.
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> And what Harley dealer wouldn't want you to think that when it's waving
> above their shop? Thanks for making my point.
Perhaps I needed to sprinkle that with a few sfsfs ... A wise guy once
warned me not to trust those who wrap themselves in the flag. That Shirley
goes for the mofomoco, used car dealers and fast food restaurants
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Chilly
BS#226 GLANS MANS
www.chilly-willy.net
Tud
I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, this is a fairly flat
medium at times.
Which is why we need drinks, Shirley, drinks.
Chilly
Shirley! I'll try to more consistent!
Bill Farnsworth
> Bill Farnsworth wrote:
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>> "Donald Dunn" <Duck@MG's.gov> wrote
>> > Heh heh!
>> > I love it!
>> > A 30x50foot US Flag is now seen as a "promotional tool!"
>> >
>> > If I recall correctly, there is an equally sized (HUGE!) flag that is
>> > shown-n-flowin' on the corner of Washington Ave. and (I forget exactly
>> > where that intersection is off hand) in the Green brook area...next to
>> > a
>> > bank, a few strip malls, and few gas stations.
>> >
>> > What is that flag "promoting?"
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>> > Buy gas here?
>> > Yer savings are safer?
>> > The food here is mad cow free?
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>> You got it.
>> Taught in advertising 125.
>> You know right were you can go to buy, save and eat.
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>> How many McDonald's have you seen with the American flag flying above the
>> Golden Arches flag? Most all of them have 'em.
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> I have to admit that I have NEVER thought about that, nor have I ever
> looked for US flags to find a McBurger whilst on the road.
>
It's subliminal. (read Subliminal subduction by Wilson Bryan Key. published
in 1974~5)
Most folks have never consciencely looked for the US flag when they're
hungry. But, like some good fishing lures, if it moves, it just might draw
some attention to what's underneath it. And even if it just makes you look
(even though you don't consciensly know it)...... then it works.
> Are we saying that Sean Beauchamp stole just the 'merican flag and (not)
> also a H-D flag that was not also hung and waving (let alone mentioned
> as advertisment (hook line sunk!) in the breese?
I'm saying that the kid stole and damaged private property. The flag itself
was the legal property of Latus Motors. (What it symbolizes belongs to all
American citizens)
I'm saying that the property was insured. The insurance company should cover
the loss and then seek to recover their own loss in civil court after the
responsible party is convicted in criminal court. And all donations should
be passed along to the Colalition of Troop Support.
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> The plot needs more thickening agents!
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> I prefer arrow root or instant mashed 'taters.
BUT.........................
Take these things into consideration.
These are very emotional times for all Americans.
The residents of Gladstone, Oregon are far away and removed from a field in
Pennsylvania. The Pentagon, Washington, DC and Ground Zero, NY.
A flag that big, and that close to the ground is mighty damn impressive to
see up close. It was there for a year, so people got use to seeing it.
Then one morning word started going around that that big flag over by the
Harley store was ripped up.
There was nothing left of the flag but twelve stars on the blue field
hanging from a bent flag pole. And to make things worse, what was left was
the size of a regular size flag you would find flying over most any school.
It was very easy to see.
Until the police lowered what was left to see, it looked like the remnants
of our flag after the worse defeat imaginable.
I'm sure it outraged all who saw it and made the residents of Gladstone feel
vulnerable and/or ashamed of what happened in their community. (Remember,
they didn't know who did it, or what happened to the rest of the flag for a
few days)
I can understand how the good folk of Gladstone (and others) would feel
compelled to buy Latus H-D a new flag.
But I still say that it is an insurance claim.
Bill F.
BS# 148
Jack Cassidy
roach wrote:
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> "Tony Levin" <Ki...@Crimson.gov> wrote in message
> news:42223B2C...@Crimson.gov...
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> > Chilly wrote:
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> > > I for one equate waving the flag with patriotism, goodness, and the
> > > American Way. The bigger the flag, the better the American flying it, I
> > > say. Ever'one would do well to choose a vendor by the size of their
> > > flag. No flag? Fuck the commie bastids!
> >
> > Oh drat!
> > I have flags of equal size from "Denmark, Germany, Taiwan, USA, China,
> > and that crazy Czech" place on hand!
> > I just have mounted them to show that my IHOP is indeed that.
>
> As long as the American flag is on a higher pole than the rest of them,
> that's fine. In American Flag etiquette, it's not size, but height that
> matters.
That's what she sorta sez, too.
Nancy
ROTFL! and FYYFF!
Felix Pappalardi
Nancy wrote:
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> On 2005-02-27 14:22:40 -1000, "roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> said:
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> > "Nancy" <mcnameen...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
(snip)
> > You're a fuckin' moron!
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> ROTFL! and FYYFF!
yeah!
Nasty
> On 2005-02-27 14:22:40 -1000, "roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> said:
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> >
> > "Nancy" <mcnameen...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:2005022713413943658%mcnameen001myface@hawaiirrcom...
> >> On 2005-02-25 15:28:01 -1000, "roach" <ro...@nowhere.com> said:
> >>
> >>> u have a total misunderstanding of where I'm coming from.
> >>> It's not wrong of those people to donate money for their
> >>> landmark. I just think it's wrong for him to take any of it for
> >>> himself. Give it all to the troops.
> >>
> >> If they want to donate to the troops' families, they can do that, too.
> >> ("Support our troops," the new sacred cow.) But they CHOSE to donate to
> >> replace the flag. That is what they want to do with their money. It
> >> makes them feel good to do that with their money. Turning away
> >> donations is pretty rude. When people feel so moved as to donate to a
> >> cause, the donations should be graciously accepted, not diverted to
> >> some other purpose, however noble that other purpose might seem.
> >> --
> >> Nancy
> >> Bitch 27
> >
> > You're a fuckin' moron!
Hey! That's MY line.
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