twin cam 88 problems
Waro
HawgTales wrote:
>
> I have a 1999 flhtci with 6700 miles on. when returning from sturgis motor
> started making a loud thrashing sound. dealer found cam bearings had
> disentigrated and lots of gold metal shavings in oil pan indicating that
> bushings or bearings somewhere else in motor also came apart. a few large
> chunks of metal also. oil pump was damaged but motor still had good oil
> pressure. a new 2000 motor is going in my bike now which will have the
> improved oil pump and camshafts. anyone else had any type of problem such as
> this with their '99 twin cam?
jamesm
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Carl
came down to the same thing, motor shot! Harley told the dealers to put the
plug back in them and they would send them a new one. Sounds like they
needed to rethink the TC-88 a bit more. I hope your 00 was rethought good. I
have a friend with a 99 Wide glide, I was wondering why his hasn't taken a
shit yet, he's a gear head and he doesn't exactly take care of it. But he
only has around 3,000 mile on it, some day? Good luck, we bought the first
year Ford Taurus and it was recalled twice, and we had some nick pick shit
go wrong, I don't like first thing anything anymore, note I got lucky, 99
Fat Boy. I can't wait to hear what goes wrong with the TC-88B in them with
the counter balance. The TC-88B has two counter rotating balancers buried
inside of the lower end. One is in front of the flywheel assembly and the
other is behind it. Each balancer cancels out almost 25 percent of the
engine's primary vibration. Plus, the flywheel assembly's counterweight,
which have always been forged right into the flywheels, this cancels out
almost 50 percent. The two counter-rotating balancers together with the
flywheels cancel out almost 100 percent of the engine's primary vibration
making it a smooth running engine. Hope they don't fu#k up "A"
--
...........Carl..........Harley Davidson Softail. Maintaining the old bike
style for the old style lovers like me. 1999 Fat Boy Softail. Live to ride,
Ride to live!
Ron Clark
The cam bolt recall was done at 3000 miles.
the company wouldn't go for a new motor though just an oil pump
and the new cam support plate. They say the oil filter and the way
the oil is routed there wouldn't be any damage to the motor!!!
Ron
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HawgTales
problem.
Larry Hardy
Carl wrote in message ...
>motor
>> started making a loud thrashing sound. dealer found cam bearings had
>> disentigrated and lots of gold metal shavings in oil pan indicating that
>> bushings or bearings somewhere else in motor also came apart. a few
large
>> chunks of metal also. oil pump was damaged but motor still had good oil
>> pressure. a new 2000 motor is going in my bike now which will have the
>> improved oil pump and camshafts. anyone else had any type of problem
such
>as
>> this with their '99 twin cam?
>
Hi guy`s
I have been wondering how much hp the counter balencer`s cancels out.
There has to be some loss somewhere.
Or what kind of brute acceleration or Tqe. can they take.
I have a TC88/b coming in next week for Dyno tuning.
I will give you guy`s my report.
I have a dealer / customer that has two Road Kings that have two 95 ci
kits with our heads
and experimental cams. Both bikes flirt with 100 Tqe and 100 hp
They just traveled from FL to SD Cal. for the HD dealer show.
Came by here. Ana. Cal.
Then went off to Sturgis.
From there headed back to FL.......Got home with out a hitch.
Thats a pretty good testimony to the new TC88 engine.
They were packing two people also
"I want one"
Larry Hardy
http://www.performancetechniques.com
Randy H
How far did you ride with all the noise? Just damn glad the andrews cam and
a few other things were ok as i doubt the factory would have replaced them.
Just a coincidence i am sure but i had 6700 miles on my wide glide when it
went south, and killed it as soon as i heard the racket, which luckily was 2
blocks from the shop. 200 miles earlier and it would have been on the way
back from sturgis.
For those curious about the problem, the cam bearings in the twin cam are
caged roller bearings and in my situation and 4 others in the area the cage
seems to disintegrate. The bearings are made in japan and the replacements
are similar type but no jap stamping.
randy
hawkeye in exile
....
: Hi guy`s
:
:
: I have been wondering how much hp the counter balencer`s cancels out.
: There has to be some loss somewhere.
: Or what kind of brute acceleration or Tqe. can they take.
:
: I have a TC88/b coming in next week for Dyno tuning.
: I will give you guy`s my report.
....
according to either Thunder Press or Independent Biker (i forgot
which off-hand) reporting from the Nashua presentation/test rides,
the TC88B puts out a few more hp and cancels 90% of the vibration.
j
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"Let everybody get together then and we'll try to make it." - Howling Wolf
Az Barber
loss. The big problem for serious power making is that they are limited to
6200 rpms rather than the 7 grand the original TC88 can hit. That last 800
rpms is muy importanto for power fiends.
Az
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Wrenchstur
Stuart M. Sanders
Davidson. They sent out recall notices to everyone that gave a correct address.
Those that got their bikes to the dealer or any Harley dealer had to leave the
bike, then the dealer sent the engine back to Harley Davidson, it was replaced with
a new engine. All latter 1999 Fatheads and all 2000 Fatheads no longer have any
problems that are known of at Harley Davidson or their dealers at this point in
time.
I was speaking to the manager Columbia Harley Davidson where I purchased my 2000
FLHR, he explained to me if a Fathead comes in with any serious problems engine
wise they are to just remove the engine from the bike, ship it to Harley, if the
problem was caused by original equipment the dealers have a new engine back & in
your bike ready for pick up about 20 days after you bring it in.
I just had the 95" big boar kit installed with the 10.25:1 high compression pistons
and the Screamin' Eagle ignition and coil. The bike rocks now, I have a carburetor
model, so tweaking to for maximum performance was possible. The dealer I purchased
the bike from will keep it in warranty as long as I have all service done at their
shop. I always intended to do that anyway so I am very happy with the upgrade.
That's about all I know as of today about the Fatheads.
Waro wrote:
> Nope and have 6600 miles on it. Maybe I shouldn't go for long rides...
>
> HawgTales wrote:
> >
> > I have a 1999 flhtci with 6700 miles on. when returning from sturgis motor
> > started making a loud thrashing sound. dealer found cam bearings had
> > disentigrated and lots of gold metal shavings in oil pan indicating that
> > bushings or bearings somewhere else in motor also came apart. a few large
> > chunks of metal also. oil pump was damaged but motor still had good oil
> > pressure. a new 2000 motor is going in my bike now which will have the
> > improved oil pump and camshafts. anyone else had any type of problem such as
> > this with their '99 twin cam?
--
Stus
2000 FLHR - Purple
www.teleport.com~stus
Stuart M. Sanders
set at 6200. I would think that either crane or one of the big boys that make
hi performance ignitions and coils will have an ignition & coil that would have
the 'No Rev Limit' switch available for the Fathead in the very near future.
Az Barber wrote:
--
Stuart M. Sanders
oil pumps that were and are considered superior to the original oil pump on the
Fathead.
Ron Clark wrote:
> Had the same problem with my flhtci at 16000 miles
> The cam bolt recall was done at 3000 miles.
> the company wouldn't go for a new motor though just an oil pump
> and the new cam support plate. They say the oil filter and the way
> the oil is routed there wouldn't be any damage to the motor!!!
> Ron
> HawgTales wrote in message <19990830204753...@ng-xa1.aol.com>...
> >I have a 1999 flhtci with 6700 miles on. when returning from sturgis motor
> >started making a loud thrashing sound. dealer found cam bearings had
> >disentigrated and lots of gold metal shavings in oil pan indicating that
> >bushings or bearings somewhere else in motor also came apart. a few large
> >chunks of metal also. oil pump was damaged but motor still had good oil
> >pressure. a new 2000 motor is going in my bike now which will have the
> >improved oil pump and camshafts. anyone else had any type of problem such
> as
> >this with their '99 twin cam?
--
Stuart M. Sanders
was the contractor that they had build the parts, there were defective. But it
did make the re-think the design of the Flathead. We all know that any new
vehicle that is a 1st edition release can and will *uck up. No late 99 or any
2000 will have any problems as they have been corrected & Harley no longer is
using the same contractor.
Carl wrote:
> There have been other post telling of there problem with there TC-88. It
> came down to the same thing, motor shot! Harley told the dealers to put the
> plug back in them and they would send them a new one. Sounds like they
> needed to rethink the TC-88 a bit more. I hope your 00 was rethought good. I
> have a friend with a 99 Wide glide, I was wondering why his hasn't taken a
> shit yet, he's a gear head and he doesn't exactly take care of it. But he
> only has around 3,000 mile on it, some day? Good luck, we bought the first
> year Ford Taurus and it was recalled twice, and we had some nick pick shit
> go wrong, I don't like first thing anything anymore, note I got lucky, 99
> Fat Boy. I can't wait to hear what goes wrong with the TC-88B in them with
> the counter balance. The TC-88B has two counter rotating balancers buried
> inside of the lower end. One is in front of the flywheel assembly and the
> other is behind it. Each balancer cancels out almost 25 percent of the
> engine's primary vibration. Plus, the flywheel assembly's counterweight,
> which have always been forged right into the flywheels, this cancels out
> almost 50 percent. The two counter-rotating balancers together with the
> flywheels cancel out almost 100 percent of the engine's primary vibration
> making it a smooth running engine. Hope they don't fu#k up "A"
> --
> ...........Carl..........Harley Davidson Softail. Maintaining the old bike
> style for the old style lovers like me. 1999 Fat Boy Softail. Live to ride,
> Ride to live!
> HawgTales <hawg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19990830204753...@ng-xa1.aol.com...
Stuart M. Sanders
Larry Hardy wrote:
> Carl wrote in message ...
> Hi guy`s
>
> I have been wondering how much hp the counter balencer`s cancels out.
> There has to be some loss somewhere.
> Or what kind of brute acceleration or Tqe. can they take.
>
> I have a TC88/b coming in next week for Dyno tuning.
> I will give you guy`s my report.
>
> I have a dealer / customer that has two Road Kings that have two 95 ci
> kits with our heads
> and experimental cams. Both bikes flirt with 100 Tqe and 100 hp
> They just traveled from FL to SD Cal. for the HD dealer show.
> Came by here. Ana. Cal.
> Then went off to Sturgis.
> From there headed back to FL.......Got home with out a hitch.
> Thats a pretty good testimony to the new TC88 engine.
> They were packing two people also
>
> "I want one"
>
> Larry Hardy
> http://www.performancetechniques.com
--
Az Barber
counterbalanced enngine. Now I'm going out on a line a little here, but I'm
pretty sure the reason why is that they're afraid it'll fly apart if you rev
it too high. Since the counterbalancing stuff is down in the bottom end, if
it did lunch itself, it would not be pretty.
It's not the best choice for serious hot rodding.
Stuart M. Sanders wrote in message <37D093AD...@teleport.com>...
>You can go to the full race ignition and coil but as you say the rev
limitor is
>set at 6200. I would think that either crane or one of the big boys that
make
>hi performance ignitions and coils will have an ignition & coil that would
have
>the 'No Rev Limit' switch available for the Fathead in the very near
future.
>
>Az Barber wrote:
>
>> They don't seem to suffer any power loss, although there may be a slight
>> loss. The big problem for serious power making is that they are limited
to
>> 6200 rpms rather than the 7 grand the original TC88 can hit. That last
800
>> rpms is muy importanto for power fiends.
>>
>> Az
>> --
>> AH#56
>> http://home.mindspring.com/~azbarber/
>> hawkeye in exile wrote in message
<7qm5cc$c...@dfw-ixnews16.ix.netcom.com>...
>> >Larry Hardy (la...@performancetechniques.com) wrote:
>> >....
>> >: Hi guy`s
>> >:
>> >:
>> >: I have been wondering how much hp the counter balencer`s
cancels
>> out.
>> >: There has to be some loss somewhere.
>> >: Or what kind of brute acceleration or Tqe. can they take.
>> >:
>> >: I have a TC88/b coming in next week for Dyno tuning.
>> >: I will give you guy`s my report.
>> >
>> >....
>> >
>> >according to either Thunder Press or Independent Biker (i forgot
>> >which off-hand) reporting from the Nashua presentation/test rides,
>> >the TC88B puts out a few more hp and cancels 90% of the vibration.
>> >
>> >j
>> >
>> >
>> >--E-mail:-- s a n d e r s @ n e t c o m . c o
m ---------
>> > '00 FLSTC - "Jack of All Roads"
>> >R. J. "jeff" Sanders Santa Clara,
CA
>> >"Let everybody get together then and we'll try to make it." - Howling
Wolf
>
BEZZER70
GEAR* ENUFF SAID!!!
Carl
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James Clark
Az Barber wrote:
> I think you're missing the point. HD limits the revs to a lower level on the
> counterbalanced enngine. Now I'm going out on a line a little here, but I'm
> pretty sure the reason why is that they're afraid it'll fly apart if you rev
> it too high. Since the counterbalancing stuff is down in the bottom end, if
> it did lunch itself, it would not be pretty.
>
> It's not the best choice for serious hot rodding.
>
How about this:
To accommodate the roller chain that drives the counterbalancers, there
is
around 3/4 inch of unsupported pinion shaft between the pinion bearing
and the timing side flywheel.
Also, the flywheels of the TC88B are *less* balanced than the TC88
parts.
The overall engine produces less vibration, but the main bearings
actually
deal with more shock loads.
J Clark
'99 FLHRCi
'78 XLCR
'85 K100RT