Rumor: Harley-Davidson trike
Greasy Rider
more days we will know the real story. A guy who is a friend of a guy
who sells insurance to a guy (blah-blah) tells me that Harley-
Davidson will release their trike for the model year 2009. It is based
on the Ultra Screaming Eagle and to be tagged at (hold your breath) +
$51,000. If this is true then I would expect a revamping in the model
year 2010. I just see how they can sell a motorcycle in that price
range. After market companies such as Lehman, DFT and Champion can put
a customer on the road for less than $36K. My '97 EGC/Lehman is
looking better at $31K total.
Ride safe,
Greasy Rider
Mark Nagel
with Lehman. Release of the Harley branded trike was unknown. Based on all
touring models not just Screaming Eagles.
Fireplug
'01 Springer
"Greasy Rider" <bill...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bluffalobob
Looks like there's a new model, Road King Heritage. But it's listed
as an FLHTCUH, which would be more like an Ultra Classic Heritage???
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/harleydavidson_m0050145_1584-1688_0d5_hn.pdf
Greasy Rider
wrote:
> Looks like there's a new model, Road King Heritage. But it's listed
> as an FLHTCUH, which would be more like an Ultra Classic Heritage???
>
> http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/harleydavidson_m005...
Thanks! I had forgotten about that info resource.
Ride safe,
Greasy Rider
hawgeye
This may 'splain why the local stealer has been cranking out a lot of
trike-conversions lately and putting them on the showroom floor.
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ZapRatz
<bill...@gmail.com> wrote:
I happened to discover the article pasted below earlier tonight. It is
the first I've heard of the tilting H-D idea being associated with the
Lehman partnership.
With the recent introduction of the Can-Am Spyder, and
"reverse-trikes" being created by various independent builders and
companies, perhaps there may be something to the alleged H-D/Lehman
design mentioned below.
Revolutionary Harley Trike Has 2 Front Wheels That Lean
By Hal Licino
http://hubpages.com/hub/Revolutionary_Harley_Trike_Has_2_Front_Wheels_That_Lean
The Harley-Lehman Venture Has Been Shrouded In Secrecy
It all started two decades ago when John Lehman's wife Linda wasn't
too sure about riding a motorcycle with one of her children in the
back. John took the 1981 Honda CB900 into the garage, scavanged a 7.5
inch Chevy Vega differential, hammered, welded and soon Mrs. Lehman
was enjoying the wide open country roads of Alberta on her new trike.
This 900 trike started to turn some heads and was quickly sold. This
gave John an idea. Why not build trikes fulltime? Starting with a few
workers crammed in a tiny work space the trikes started going out the
door, the orders continued to pour in, and soon John's company was
employing close to 100 people and had two plants: one in his hometown
of Westlock, Alberta and another just south of the border in
Spearfish, South Dakota.
Lehman Trikes became a market leader and even established its own
Owner's Group with a full slate of events, but on the first of
September, 2006 a press release was issued that made jaws drop to the
ground across motorcycleland. Lehman had signed an agreement to build
trikes that would be sold directly in the dealerships of, and would
carry the brand name of, Harley Davidson!
This was momentous news for several reasons, the most significant ones
being that not only Lehman had managed to do what no company since
Buell had done, become an independent that ended up producing and
marketing motorcycles directly for Harley, but it also marked Harley's
first foray into three wheeled vehicles for several decades.
Since that September press release, both Lehman and Harley have gone
completely mum about the deal. They were obviously up to something
that would shake up the market, but what?
Then some intrepid journalist dug up a patent application by Harley
Davidson for a three wheeled vehicle, accompanied by a few sketches.
The images did not show the expected design which Lehman had been
producing for years, and even Harley had produced in their old police
trikes, which was two wheels in the rear, and ont in the front. This
sketch was more of a three wheeled design with two in the front, one
in the rear, somewhat similar to the Bombardier Spyder covered in my
CanAm Hub, but designed to lean like a motorcycle or a Dutch Carver...
or at least a Carver going backwards!
Actually, most Harley enthusiasts will easily lose bar bets on this
question, but Harley Davidson did market a vehicle with the two in
front, one in the rear configuration, albeit for a very short time
around 1985. Harley bought Trihawk and for a while had this Lotus
Seven-looking thing taking up space in the dealerships until they
realized that at the MSRP of $12,995 (which at the time would have
bought you about two Honda CRX cars), these curiosities were going to
be gathering dust for a very long time, so they disappeared never to
be seen again.
So, will this "thing" that looks like a Formula 1 front end grafted
onto a SuperGlide see the light of day? No one at Harley or Lehman is
talking. And that usually means yes.
Personally, I see this current design as a complete aberration. I have
nothing against the concept overall, and can certainly understand why
Harley wants to put the trike's two wheels up front as the inherent
design is much more stable in hard cornering than two wheels in the
back. If it were based on a VRod, I'd be much more amenable to it, as
those models are the ones on the "cutting edge." But just grafting on
a very complex, high tech and leaning/racing car front end on a
SuperGlide is the definition of incoherence. The two styles just clash
and look like it was put together in some demented engineering nerd's
garage.
Perhaps the patent application was just to cover some of the internal
mechanicals that allow the vehicle to tilt, and it will end up being
powered by a VRod or other drivetrain. That new Hayabusa V8 looks
tasty and it might be fun to ride a 2.8 Litre 455 HP Trike!!! I can
only hope that Harley decides to go in any powertrain direction other
than with the Big Twins, because as it sits this may be one very
technologically advanced, but real Ugly Hawg!
Captions for graphic media presented on the webpage:
This patent drawing shows the maximum lean angle
Only from the side view can you confirm just how out of place the Big
Twin is in this design
The result of a collision between a SuperGlide and Lewis Hamilton's
Formula-One Mercedes McLaren
When Harley announced its joint venture with Lehman Trikes, everyone
expected something like this!
Harley's new trike is designed along the lines of the Carver from
Holland, except backwards!
The sweetest engine in the world. Nowhere else can you find something
as compact, light and powerful as these two Hayabusas welded together
to produce 455 HP! What a trike motor!
The long gone and totally forgotten TriHawk, Harley's last and very
short-lived foray into the two-in-the-front trike market.
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Ryder Rick
> I can
> only hope that Harley decides to go in any powertrain direction other
> than with the Big Twins, because as it sits this may be one very
> technologically advanced, but real Ugly Hawg!
It's already been done (without he lean)
http://www.trirodmotorcycles.com/
These bikes will pull very high G's on the skid pad (2g's)
I am not sure I would want one motorcycle style as 2g's could make it
very hard to hang on to!
A leaner will not have the same cornering capabilities I think, as the
tire contact patch is much smaller (but it would help keep the rider on
it).
--
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<still working on mastering the Lock to Lock Figure 8, on 3 wheels>
spunky hussein tuna
> It's already been done (without he lean)
>
> http://www.trirodmotorcycles.com/
>
> These bikes will pull very high G's on the skid pad (2g's)
>
> I am not sure I would want one motorcycle style as 2g's could make it
> very hard to hang on to!
If I were going to build a 2X1 trike, one of the things I'd look to
change is that stupid seating position that Trirod still uses. And at
1100 pound wet, that thing is a pig! How the hell can you build
something out of billet aluminum and carbon fiber and end up with it
being so heavy?
--
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Ryder Rick
<spunkyhu...@earthlink.net> said:
I never noticed the weight spec.
That is effin re'dickless!
--
Ryder Rick
<what did they do, fill the frame with lead?>
frito
Looks like HD may have under cut your price. It's not listed
on HD's site yet, but http://www.2wf.com/ has the tri glide
press release. It lists a MSRP of $29,999 for the Ultra Classic
version. Still pretty pricey, but less than much of the aftermarket.
But, all the $$$ for the new stuff makes my paid for bike seem
to ride better.
--
"frito"
Fred Snetzer
'01 FLHT, '97 M2²
TOMKAT
IBA #10549 BS #162
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Old Crow
wrote:
>"Greasy Rider" wrote in message
>
>> It's that time of year when rumors are rife about Harleys and in a few
>> more days we will know the real story. A guy who is a friend of a guy
>> who sells insurance to a guy (blah-blah) tells me that Harley-
>> Davidson will release their trike for the model year 2009. It is based
>> on the Ultra Screaming Eagle and to be tagged at (hold your breath) +
>> $51,000. If this is true then I would expect a revamping in the model
>> year 2010. I just see how they can sell a motorcycle in that price
>> range. After market companies such as Lehman, DFT and Champion can put
>> a customer on the road for less than $36K. My '97 EGC/Lehman is
>> looking better at $31K total.
>>
>>
>> Ride safe,
>>
>> Greasy Rider
>
>Looks like HD may have under cut your price. It's not listed
>on HD's site yet, but http://www.2wf.com/ has the tri glide
>press release. It lists a MSRP of $29,999 for the Ultra Classic
>version. Still pretty pricey, but less than much of the aftermarket.
>But, all the $$$ for the new stuff makes my paid for bike seem
>to ride better.
OK, *now* I care less.
Time to start putting the shovel back together.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC(P)'Pearl'
'87 FLTC '?'
'61 F-100
BS#132, TOMKAT, SENS, SLOB#13
Greasy Rider
> "Greasy Rider" wrote in message
> > It's that time of year when rumors are rife about Harleys and in a few
> > more days we will know the real story. A guy who is a friend of a guy
> > who sells insurance to a guy (blah-blah) tells me that Harley-
> > Davidson will release their trike for the model year 2009. It is based
> > on the Ultra Screaming Eagle and to be tagged at (hold your breath) +
> > $51,000. If this is true then I would expect a revamping in the model
> > year 2010. I just see how they can sell a motorcycle in that price
> > range. After market companies such as Lehman, DFT and Champion can put
> > a customer on the road for less than $36K. My '97 EGC/Lehman is
> > looking better at $31K total.
>
> > Ride safe,
>
> > Greasy Rider
>
> Looks like HD may have under cut your price. It's not listed
> press release. It lists a MSRP of $29,999 for the Ultra Classic
> version. Still pretty pricey, but less than much of the aftermarket.
> But, all the $$$ for the new stuff makes my paid for bike seem
> to ride better.
Thanks.....I found another reference to the Triglide here:
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1775105/
Wish they would do an ECG version as all those Ultra "features" are
just something extra to break.
Ride safe,
Greasy Rider
AH#104
> OK, *now* I care less.
Let me know when you couldn't care less.
ASSHOLE#104 Len
Old Crow
Heh, I'm caring less all the time.
Ryder Rick
I don't even care that he cares less
--
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<the care less poster boy>
Patrick St. Jean
> On 2008-07-24 03:06:18 -0700, Old Crow <walli...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>>> Old Crow sed:
>>>
>>>> OK, *now* I care less.
>>>
>>> Let me know when you couldn't care less.
>>>
>>> ASSHOLE#104 Len
>>
>>
>> Heh, I'm caring less all the time.
>
> I don't even care that he cares less
Who cares
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spunky hussein tuna
> Ryder Rick <rick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-07-24 03:06:18 -0700, Old Crow <walli...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 8:20?am, "AH#104" <ah...@yourhat.att.net> wrote:
>>>> Old Crow sed:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, *now* I care less.
>>>> Let me know when you couldn't care less.
>>>>
>>>> ASSHOLE#104 Len
>>>
>>> Heh, I'm caring less all the time.
>> I don't even care that he cares less
>
> Who cares
--
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Ryder Rick
<spunkyhu...@earthlink.net> said:
Hey! I cared less before you!
You can't be one, I think you came in about #6
--
Ryder Rick
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spunky hussein tuna
> On 2008-07-25 19:50:11 -0700, spunky hussein tuna
> <spunkyhu...@earthlink.net> said:
>
>> Patrick St. Jean wrote:
>>> Ryder Rick <rick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2008-07-24 03:06:18 -0700, Old Crow <walli...@yahoo.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 8:20?am, "AH#104" <ah...@yourhat.att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Old Crow sed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, *now* I care less.
>>>>>> Let me know when you couldn't care less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASSHOLE#104 Len
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh, I'm caring less all the time.
>>>> I don't even care that he cares less
>>>
>>> Who cares
>> I, for one, couldn't care less.
>
> Hey! I cared less before you!
> You can't be one, I think you came in about #6
Oh. Well then. I guess I could care less.
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I care a great deal. It's critically important and I'm really grabbing hold
to this one.
(errrr, btw, what are we caring or not caring about again?)
Ryder Rick
no body cares