Black painted engines attract heat?
Nick Boutet
A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do? Is
his theory true? If so, why would Harley paint most of their engines
with black paint? Of course I coud just be a moron and not seeing some
logical explaination. Some set me straight about this.
Nick Boutet
nick....@pats.worldgate.com
John J. Stafford
In article <8377...@pats.worldgate.com>, nick....@pats.worldgate.com
(Nick Boutet) wrote:
> A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
> before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
> heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do? Is
> his theory true?
In a word, no.
The color of the engine has no _significant_ effect on it's ability
to radiate heat. Sure, a black body does radiate heat better than
a colored body, but not enough in the case of a motorcycle engine
to make a difference. Chrome, on the other hand, is a lousy thing
to do to an engine, not for its color (or lack of color) but
because of its density and lack of texture.
Jon Marchant
Nick Boutet inquires:
>if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
>heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do?
Black loses heat better than plain aluminum. I don't know why, but
it's true. I painted the motor of my Guzzi 850 Le Mans; one coat of
some kind of specialized yellow primer, one coat of high-temp flat
black. The oil temp reduced noticeably. It also looked really kewl,
especially with the pipes painted red.
Jon Marchant
Mount Tamalpais, Alta California
'91FLHS HSB #02
Be sure to finish looting and pillaging before you start burning.
Nick Boutet
-> Jon Marchant (marc...@linex.com) wrote:
-> : Nick Boutet inquires:
-> : >if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
-> : >heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do?
-> : Black loses heat better than plain aluminum. I don't know why, but
-> : it's true. I painted the motor of my Guzzi 850 Le Mans; one coat of
-> : some kind of specialized yellow primer, one coat of high-temp flat
-> : black. The oil temp reduced noticeably. It also looked really kewl,
-> : especially with the pipes painted red.
-> Attracting and dissipating heat is basically the same thing, only
-> the direction is different. So a cold black engine will attract
-> more heat when left out in the sun, and it will also dissipate more
-> heat when it is hot.
-> Compare with an open door, it will let in the weather wether it
-> is cold or hot outside.
-> Helge Hafting
I may be just ignorant, but how would an engine know it's black from the
inside in order to dissapate heat? The original question was would a
black engine absorb more heat than an engine such as a highly polished
engine? I think I made a good point with the science experiment I
brought up (in a slightly earlier post).
Nick Boutet
nick....@pats.worldgate.com
Nick Boutet
-> In article <8377...@pats.worldgate.com>, nick....@pats.worldgate.com
-> (Nick Boutet) wrote:
-> > A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
-> > before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
-> > heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do? Is
-> > his theory true?
-> In a word, no.
-> The color of the engine has no _significant_ effect on it's ability
-> to radiate heat. Sure, a black body does radiate heat better than
-> a colored body, but not enough in the case of a motorcycle engine
-> to make a difference. Chrome, on the other hand, is a lousy thing
-> to do to an engine, not for its color (or lack of color) but
-> because of its density and lack of texture.
Lack of texture?? Don't you remember that science project we all should
have done in junior high where you take a textured, flat black can and a
polished silver can, and subject them to heat, taking the temperature of
some water inside them? Which one heats up the fastest? The textured
black on gets wayy hotter. Any thoughts?
Nick Boutet
nick....@pats.worldgate.com
Chris Troudt
In article <31efc6ad...@news-dnh.mv.net>,
s...@hopper.unh.edu (Steve Tuttle) writes:
|>
|>
|> >and it will also dissipate more
|>
OK, here's my $.02 worth.
I've "heard" many times from various folks that the best
color to paint an engine block is black to achieve the
best cooling efficiency.
I confess however, that I'm still not convinced of this.
I see absolutely NO connection between the thermal
characteristics and the optical characteristics of
the paint with respect to its heat radiating efficiency.
I fully understand that a darker color will absorb
more heat from sunlight than a lighter color, due to
the fact that darker color reflects less sunlight.
The radiant energy of the sun is, afterall, transmitted
via electromagnetic radiation (light), so this makes
perfect sense to me. (A white car is cooler than a
black car.)
Nevertheless, the only thing that could explain the
alleged difference in heat "conduction" between dark
and light colors would be the composition of the
paint itself. Now maybe different colors of paint
have different "ingredients" which could contribute
to this claim. The motor does not produce heat of
the electromagnetic radiation variety, so it certainly
shouldn't care what "color" the paint is. I would think
that "any" paint at all would tend to reduce the cooling
effieciency of a block compared to an unpainted block.
Hmmm...do I want to run right out there in this 100
degree heat and sand all the wrinkle-black paint off
my motor, or would I rather have another beer. Gosh,
that's a tough decision. ;-)
--
Later,
CT
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O O
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Ken Freitag
<big time snip>
> The amount of heat absorbed from the sun by the black paint is minimal
> when compared to the gasoline burining inside. Harley paints their
> engines to make them look good.
Not only does it look good (IMHO), but there may be something in the physics
too. Remembering *way* back to some physics courses, there is a property
called infrared emissivity. Anyway, emissivity affects the
amount of thermal energy that can be radiated from a surface. If I remember
right, bare metal has a very low emissivity, and painted metal surfaces,
particularly black ones, have much higher emissivities and thus are much
better at radiating the heat away. Can any physics types expound on this?
I hocked the physics book to buy beer :) For what it's worth, about the
only other thing I remember about this is that surfaces that are good at
absorbing energy are good at radiating it (useful huh?).
Helge Hafting.2
Jon Marchant (marc...@linex.com) wrote:
: Nick Boutet inquires:
: >if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
: >heat, and not disapate heat like we would like our engines to do?
: Black loses heat better than plain aluminum. I don't know why, but
: it's true. I painted the motor of my Guzzi 850 Le Mans; one coat of
: some kind of specialized yellow primer, one coat of high-temp flat
: black. The oil temp reduced noticeably. It also looked really kewl,
: especially with the pipes painted red.
Attracting and dissipating heat is basically the same thing, only
the direction is different. So a cold black engine will attract
more heat when left out in the sun, and it will also dissipate more
heat when it is hot.
Compare with an open door, it will let in the weather wether it
is cold or hot outside.
Helge Hafting
Steve Tuttle
nick....@pats.worldgate.com (Nick Boutet) wrote:
>A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
>before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not
ATTRACT
>heat, and not dissipate heat like we would like our engines to do?
Is
>his theory true? If so, why would Harley paint most of their engines
>with black paint? Of course I coud just be a moron and not seeing
some
>logical explaination. Some set me straight about this.
>
Any dark paint will reflect less heat than a lighter color. Any
painted engine will not dissipate heat as well as a non-painted
engine. The real question is "is the effect enough to damage the
engine?" Apparently it isn't.
Steve Tuttle
inte...@powertech.no (Helge Hafting.2) wrote:
So a cold black engine will attract
>more heat when left out in the sun,
Agree
>and it will also dissipate more
>heat when it is hot.
What makes you think this?
dave_e
In article <8377...@pats.worldgate.com>, nick....@pats.worldgate.com says...
>
>A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
>before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
>his theory true? If so, why would Harley paint most of their engines
>with black paint? Of course I coud just be a moron and not seeing some
>logical explaination. Some set me straight about this.
Black allows the _transfer_ of heat to happen quicker.
IOW if you are in the Arizona desert w/ the sun beaming directly on your
motor it will run hotter than running at night.
Dave e
'86 FXRT (blue, for coolin out)
'86 V65 Magna (red, for haulin ass)
Robert Pearson
In article <31efc530...@news-dnh.mv.net>,
Steve Tuttle <s...@hopper.unh.edu> wrote:
>nick....@pats.worldgate.com (Nick Boutet) wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
>>before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not
>ATTRACT
>Is
>>his theory true? If so, why would Harley paint most of their engines
>>with black paint? Of course I coud just be a moron and not seeing
>some
>>logical explaination. Some set me straight about this.
>>
>painted engine will not dissipate heat as well as a non-painted
>engine. The real question is "is the effect enough to damage the
>engine?" Apparently it isn't.
>
>The amount of heat absorbed from the sun by the black paint is minimal
>when compared to the gasoline burining inside. Harley paints their
>engines to make them look good.
The issue here is heat transfer, which the second law of thermodynamics
states must be from the hotter to the cooler. The mechanism that is
under consideration here is radiation, and is effected equally by the
color of the engine irrespective of the direction of the heat flow, either
from a hot sun to a cold engine or a hot engine to a cold surrounding
atmosphere.
A black body is the most effective radiator of energy; however, the rate
of energy transfer is propotional to the temperture of the hot body to the
power 4. The sun, obviously, is pretty damned hot and can therefore
transfer energy at a high rate; an engine at 180F on a 90F day can only
radiate about
450 BTu/hour, even if it has perfect black body radiation. In comparison,
a typical bike engine will have to lose 150,000Btu/hr+ in waste heat. So
even if the (perfect) black paint were replaced by a perfect reflector
(which loses no heat at all), the effect on the total rate of heat loss
would be inconsequential compared to the rest of the heat being carried
out in the exhaust gases and by convective cooling (wind past the fins).
In summary - black paint will make your engine run cooler. But not enough
to notice.
It's pure cosmetics.
Bob
ASSHOLE #37
Mike Imbler
You are neglecting black body radiation which will outweigh the added heat
absorption due to black absorption if.... the black coating does not add enough
insulation to reverse the heat balance.
Mike
Steve Tuttle
redb...@iglou2.iglou.com (Robert Pearson) wrote:
Snipped a bunch of impressive crap.
I don't know if you know more than I do, but your logic is great.
I'll buy is for a reasonable price.
>In summary - black paint will make your engine run cooler. But not
enough
>to notice.
>
See you in Sturgis if you can afford to go. It's pure economics (I
teach micor-economics).
Nick Boutet
-> In article <8378...@pats.worldgate.com>, nick....@pats.worldgate.com
-> (Nick Boutet) wrote:
-> > Lack of texture?? Don't you remember that science project we all should
-> > have done in junior high where you take a textured, flat black can and a
-> > polished silver can, and subject them to heat, taking the temperature of
-> > some water inside them? Which one heats up the fastest? The textured
-> > black on gets wayy hotter. Any thoughts?
-> One thought - we are talking about air cooling - as in the wind -
-> and texture == more surface and more turbulence. On the other
-> hand, I could be dead wrong. Again.
Hmmm...would it have something to do with more texture - more surface
area for cooling? But the heat against the cans would represent the sun
against the engine. See my point?
Nick Boutet
nick....@pats.worldgate.com
Robert Pearson
In article <8378...@pats.worldgate.com>,
Nick Boutet <nick....@pats.worldgate.com> wrote:
>
>I may be just ignorant, but how would an engine know it's black from the
>inside in order to dissapate heat? The original question was would a
>
Same way a THermos flask knows how to keep hot things hot and cold things
cold and never seems to get confused.
Bob
ASSHOLE #37
pooder
In article <DutoK...@iglou.com>,
redb...@iglou.iglou.com (Robert Pearson) wrote:
>In article <8378...@pats.worldgate.com>,
>Nick Boutet <nick....@pats.worldgate.com> wrote:
>>
>>I may be just ignorant, but how would an engine know it's black from
>>the inside in order to dissapate heat?
>
>Same way a THermos flask knows how to keep hot things hot and cold
>things cold and never seems to get confused.
Yeah, how *does* that work?!? I put leftover coffee from the fridge
into my thermos, but hen I opened it, it wasn't hot like my coffee
usually is, in fact, it was quite cold!! And another thing, why can't I
run a microwave oven in reverse and quick-chill my Coke in the
afternoon??
-pooder th' bebaffl'd bastard
Bob and Diana
-Black painted engines attract hot biker ladies ,
-XLH
Robert Pearson
In article <Stafford-200...@199.17.133.152>,
John J. Stafford <Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu> wrote:
>In article <Dut87...@iglou.com>, redb...@iglou2.iglou.com (Robert
>Pearson) wrote:
>
>> [ SNIP the _excellent_ grad level physics lesson]
>
>> In summary - black paint will make your engine run cooler. But not enough
>> to notice.
>>
>
> Yea, what he said. Now what about the texture issue, or paint
> in particular? Doesn't the paint act somewhat as an insulator
> because it is a poor conductor of heat? What about chrome?
Oh sh*t he's calling my bluff! Radiation is easy; convection isn't. I
struggled with it 20+ years ago at college, and my knowledge hasn't got
any better with lack of use. (To give you some idea, we have whole groups
of people where I work whose entire job is heat transfer calcs. They even
seem to enjoy it :-))
I don't know (without doing some digging into it) what the surface finish
effect is. I supspect it could either help or hinder dependedent
on the nature of the airflow. However, a layer of paint isn't going to
make much difference, because no matter poor its conductivity there isn't
enough thickness to provide significant insulation (unless it's made with
that stuff the use for the space shuttle tiles!).
Bob
ASSHOLE #37
Mark Ferguson
nick....@pats.worldgate.com (Nick Boutet) wrote:
>-> In article <8378...@pats.worldgate.com>, nick....@pats.worldgate.com
>-> (Nick Boutet) wrote:
>
>-> > Lack of texture?? Don't you remember that science project we all should
>-> > have done in junior high where you take a textured, flat black can and a
>-> > polished silver can, and subject them to heat, taking the temperature of
>-> > some water inside them? Which one heats up the fastest? The textured
>-> > black on gets wayy hotter. Any thoughts?
>
>-> One thought - we are talking about air cooling - as in the wind -
>-> hand, I could be dead wrong. Again.
>
>Hmmm...would it have something to do with more texture - more surface
>area for cooling? But the heat against the cans would represent the sun
>against the engine. See my point?
>
>Nick Boutet
>nick....@pats.worldgate.com
Heat transfer 101-
*Radiation* heat transfer is enhanced by a flat black surface, this effects both heat *emmision* and *absorbtion*. Heat (like shit) =
rolls down hill, so a flat black surface will absorb heat *from* a warmer environment or reject heat *to* a cooler environment bette=
r than a reflective surface. An ideal black surface will radiate or absorb heat at twice the rate of an ideal reflective surface (th=
is is called the emmisivity of a surface and it is material and finish dependant). What does this mean to my scoot? well, a flat bla=
ck cylinder will *radiate* twice the heat to it's surroundings that a polished or chrome cylinder will. Now I've emphasised the ter=
m radiate here because other forms of heat transfer
like convection, and conduction are more dominant here and I don't mean
to suggest that you can double the cooling capacity of an air cooled engine by painting it flat black-you can't but you can improve =
it slightly.
Nick you are correct regarding the effect of surface area and turbulance
on convective heat transfer.
take notes, this will be on the test.
mark ferguson
80 ironhead
Dan Michaels
Nick Boutet wrote:
>
> A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
> before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
> his theory true? If so, why would Harley paint most of their engines
> with black paint? Of course I coud just be a moron and not seeing some
> logical explaination. Some set me straight about this.
>
> nick....@pats.worldgate.com
Nick,
Not an easy question to answer in terms of "how much" extra heat is
dissipated by having cylinder fins painted black vs. polished.
Heat always flows from a region of higher temperature to a region of
lower temperture. It flows by several means but for the purpose of
this discussion we could limit it to two methods.
1) Conduction = Two molecular bodies in direct contact (in this case
metal to air)
2) Emmissivity = The ratio of energy emmitted by an object to the energy
emmitted by a blackbody at the same temperature.
A "blackbody" in this case is a theoretical object with an emmissivity
of 1.00 (perfect). Heat, in this case, will always flow from the higher
temperature cylinder fin to the lower temperature air. The cylinder
will also try to transfer heat to the air through emmissivity. A
perfect "blackbody" will transfer heat to air with an emmissivity
factor of 1.00. Polished aluminum will transfer to air with an
emmissivity factor of 0.03. Black painted aluminum will transfer heat
by emmissivity with a factor of 0.90. So you can see that the heat
transfer associated with emmissivity is 30 times greater with a black
painted surface than with a polished aluminum one.
The real question is what component of the total heat transfer is assoc-
iated with emmissivity as opposed to conductivity, radiation and con-
vection. That's not an easy calculation. Here is a snippit to figure
the whole mess out;
Radiation Conductors
A thermal modeling term. The value of a radiation conductor is
input in units of energy per unit time per degree**4. It is be computed
as:
G = A * e(eff) * F(i-j) * s
or
G = A * F(i-j) * s
where;
G
value of the conductor
A
area of the surface i
e(eff)
emittance (dimensionless)
s
Stefan-Boltzmann Constant (energy/length2-time-deg4)
F(i-j)
black body view factor from surface i to j (dimensionless)
F(i-j)
gray body view factor from surface i to j (area)
The emittance e, is a measure of how well a body can radiate
energy as compared with a black body. Emittance is the ratio of total
emissive
power of a real surface at temperature T to the total emissive
power of a black surface at the same temperature. The emittance of
surfaces is
a function of several things including the material, surface
condition, and temperature. The emittance may be altered by polishing,
roughing, painting, etc.<
The gray body view factor F(i-j) is the product of the geometric
shape factor F(i-j) and a factor which allows for departures from black
body conditions (i.e. reflections). For example, for two parallel
flat plates:
F(1-2) = F(2-1) = 1
F(1-2) = [ 1 / ( 1/e1 + 1/e2 -1) ] x F(1-2)
The effective emittance e* between two surfaces may be used to
compute the gray body view factor with the following equation;
F(i-j) = e* x F(i-j)
The error induced by the use of e* is the result of neglecting
secondary reflections from surfaces other than the two for which the
effective
emittance was determined.
Hell just paint the damn thing black and go have a beer!!
Dan HSB #41
'73 FLH Classic
'96 FLSTN
See you at Sturgis - Bear Butte Creek Campground & ?Bar on Wed @ 6:00
ppo...@rc.sdstate.edu
On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Dan Michaels wrote:
[snipped a good physics lecture]...
>>See you at Sturgis - Bear Butte Creek Campground & ?Bar on Wed @ 6:00
^^^^^
That's the Buck 'n' Gator Bar & Grill on Black Hawk Road.
Six pm Wednesday August 7th. Look for people wearing
RMH VB&G t-shirts and/or ASSHOLE(tm) hats.
Take the Black Hawk exit off I-90 at the western edge of
Rapid City. This exit only goes south. Go 5-7 miles, past
the tiny town of Black Hawk, past the point where the road
goes from four lanes to two, until you see a large quarry on
your left, and the Buck 'n' Gator is on the right. If you
get to a stoplight, you've gone too far.
See ya there!
Penny
ASSHOLE #29
Jim Combs
|> Nick Boutet wrote:
|> >
|> > A friend of mine recently brought up something I hadn't thought of
|> > before. He said that if an engine is painted black, would it not ATTRACT
|> > heat,
[snip]
My whole damn bike is black, and yep - attracts plenty o' heat.
Fuckers are comin' after me all the time. Seems they don't like
the rate of speed I choose. I thought about slowin' down once,
but didn't really like that option. Maybe if I painted the bike,
they'd leave me alone [?].
--
Jim Combs - ASSHOLE#34
'91 XLH 1200 jimc...@nortel.com
J.S. Moss
poo...@msus1.msus.edu (pooder) wrote:
..snips...
> And another thing, why can't I
>run a microwave oven in reverse and quick-chill my Coke in the
>afternoon??
>-pooder th' bebaffl'd bastard
It only works south of the equator. I think it's the venturi
effect.....
Mossman,
Logan Dean A
Robert Pearson (redb...@iglou2.iglou.com) wrote:
: In article <Stafford-200...@199.17.133.152>,
: John J. Stafford <Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu> wrote:
: >In article <Dut87...@iglou.com>, redb...@iglou2.iglou.com (Robert
: >Pearson) wrote:
: >> [ SNIP the _excellent_ grad level physics lesson]
: Oh sh*t he's calling my bluff! Radiation is easy; convection isn't. I
<SNIP>
: enough thickness to provide significant insulation (unless it's made with
: that stuff the use for the space shuttle tiles!).
SSSSHHHHH!!!! (looks around surreptitiously) We really don't want _him_
in on this conversation, do we?? ;)
Dean A. Logan
'82 RD350LC
'86 RZ350
Bob and Diana
-XLH.....................
Mr. Breeze
John wrote:
<snip>
> Here it is in black and white:
>
> The Second Law of Thermodynamics.
<snip primo summary of Physics 101>
Or, in layman's terms:
Not only can you never win, you can't even break even.
Lee Petersen, "Mr. Breeze", '79 body in motion tending
to remain in motion.
John
redb...@iglou2.iglou.com (Robert Pearson) wrote:
>The issue here is heat transfer, which the second law of thermodynamics:
<snip>
Here it is in black and white:
The Second Law of Thermodynamics.
The steam engine developed by James Watt in 1769 was a type of heat
engine, a device that withdraws heat from a heat source, converts some
of this heat into useful work, and transfers the remainder of the heat
to a cooler reservoir. A major advance in the understanding of the
heat engine was provided in 1824 by N. L. Sadi Carnot, a French
engineer, in his discussion of the cyclic nature of the heat engine.
This theoretical approach is known as the CARNOT CYCLE.
A result of the analysis of the heat engine in terms of the Carnot
cycle is the second law of thermodynamics, which may be stated in a
variety of ways. According to Rudolf Clausius, "It is impossible for a
self-acting machine, unaided by external agency, to convey heat from a
body at one temperature to another body at a higher temperature."
William Thomson (Lord KELVIN), a British thermodynamicist, proposed
that "it is impossible by a cyclic process to take heat from a
reservoir and convert it into work without, in the same operation,
transferring heat from a hot to a cold reservoir."
The second law of thermodynamics leads to a new state function S, the
ENTROPY of a system. The increase in the entropy of a system when heat
is added to it must be at least q/T, where q is the added heat and T
is the absolute temperature. If the heat is added in an idealized
(reversible) process, delta S = q/T, but for real (irreversible)
processes, the entropy change is always greater than this value.
Ludwig BOLTZMANN, an Austrian physicist, demonstrated the significance
of entropy on the molecular level in 1877, relating entropy to
disorder. J. Willard GIBBS, an American mathematical physicist,
referred to entropy as a measure of the "mixed-upedness" of the
system.
The second law of thermodynamics may also be stated in terms of
entropy: in a spontaneous irreversible process, the total entropy of
the system and its surroundings always increases; for any process, the
total entropy of a system and its surroundings never decreases
Hope this helps.
Black is good, red and white is better!
John-
Anthony Potts
On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Steve Tuttle wrote:
> painted engine will not dissipate heat as well as a non-painted
> engine. The real question is "is the effect enough to damage the
> engine?" Apparently it isn't.
>
This is wrong. A black painted engine will radiate heat better than a
chromed engine, as black is both a better absorber AND a better emitter
than a polished finish. Also, a rough finish is better at absorbing and
emitting than a smooth finish, irrespective of colour.
> The amount of heat absorbed from the sun by the black paint is minimal
> when compared to the gasoline burining inside. Harley paints their
> engines to make them look good.
>
Basically, you are not going to see a lot of difference either way, as
most of the heat transfer is through convection, not radiation. There is,
however, a small effect due to radiation, working in the opposite
direction to the way you said. This effect will be counteracted by the
fact that the paint could be a good insulator, slowing down the transfer
from the metal cases to the outside of the paint, just the same as a
blanket would.
Cheers,
Potts
Robert Pearson
In article <Stafford-250...@199.17.133.163>,
>
>> And another thing, why can't I run a microwave oven in reverse and
>> quick-chill my Coke in the afternoon??
>
Hey, quit complaining. It's a lot cheaper than buying a springer
softail :-)
Bob
ASSHOLE #37
Robert Pearson
In article <31F833...@flash.net>, Mr. Breeze <brai...@flash.net> wrote:
>John wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Here it is in black and white:
>>
>> The Second Law of Thermodynamics.
>
>
>Or, in layman's terms:
>
>Not only can you never win, you can't even break even.
>
That's laws #1 & #2
#3 says you can't quit trying....
Bob
ASSHOLE #37
Eric Dreher
In article , Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu says...
> I made instant coffee in the microwave and went backwards in time.
That's because it made outta anti-matter.
You drink that stuff, John?
Eric D.
'97 FLHR (in Sept.)
HSB #6
http://www.adnc.com/web/ericd/ericd.html
Carol Mandera
> John J. Stafford <Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu> wrote:
> >poo...@msus1.msus.edu (pooder) wrote:
> >
> >> And another thing, why can't I run a microwave oven in reverse and
> >> quick-chill my Coke in the afternoon??
> >
Kewl! How far back in time?
You know, John, if you could perfect that trick, you could help me relive
my vacations over and over and over and over and over and over...
Carol
Chuck Lanter
On 26 Jul 1996 02:26:29 GMT, Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu (John J.
Stafford) wrote:
>poo...@msus1.msus.edu (pooder) wrote:
>
>> And another thing, why can't I run a microwave oven in reverse and
>> quick-chill my Coke in the afternoon??
>
> I made instant coffee in the microwave and went backwards in time.
Ah John, Steven Wright, a true classic! ;-)
Chuck Lanter
96 FLSTN
82 CX500 Turbo
HSB #11
"Cynicism is just an unpleasant way of saying the truth"
-Lillian Hellman-
Si Ballenger
cl...@micron.net (Chuck Lanter) wrote:
>On 26 Jul 1996 02:26:29 GMT, Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu (John J.
>Stafford) wrote:
>>poo...@msus1.msus.edu (pooder) wrote:
>>
>>> And another thing, why can't I run a microwave oven in reverse and
>>> quick-chill my Coke in the afternoon??
>>
>> I made instant coffee in the microwave and went backwards in time.
If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying
foward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact!
- Jack Handey