Scanalyzer?
riparian
Service Manual. It mentions an electronic device called the Scanalyzer
(HD-41325), which is used for diagnostics with the EFI ECM module. Has
anyone gotten ahold of one of these Scanalyzers and used it? When discussing
using the Scanalyzer, it mentions using a "special programmable application
cartridge" for menu selections and data displays (pages 9-15 & 9-21, FLT
Service Manual, 95-96). The application cartridge is not mentioned as a
separate tool or part anywhere else, does it come with the Scanalyzer?
A further question: I'm thinking about getting the Stage I EFI Performance
Kit (29386-95), which includes a new programmable ECM. Will the same
Scanalyzer be used on the new ECM, or would something else be required?
Since the new ECM would effectively upgrade the bike to 97+ electronics,
does the FLT Service Manual for that year provide instructions on the
reprogramming functions? Is the Scanalyzer used to download the new
instruction chip data, or is a new chip just plugged into the ECM?
Thanks, David Batten 96 FLHRI
Bill Edwards
programmable. That is why your stage1 kit costs more than the 97 kit. 2, The
scanalyzer is expensive and only used for re-maping the ecm. (also
troubleshooting, but not cost effective for average joe). The cartridge your
talking about is the program that you use to re-map the ecm. It is that small
black square in the kit your looking at. FYI the chip is only good for one
application, so after the dealer uses their scanalyzer to download that chips
program into your new ECM, it is trash.
HD does make a small diagnostic tool for 96s that plugs into ECM diagnostic
plug. About $40.00. It is only good for reading codes. It is listed in shop
manual.
One more thing, someone in the group had mentioned the bracket used on 89 flhs
to support the Y pipe. First off ,thanks to that person! Rip, I would suggest
you look into this as well. Easy to put on and will save you some anguish. It
clamps to left pipe and tranny to take the pressure off that weld at the Y. If
you would like more info on this you can E-mail me direct. Bill
Steven Banks
riparian <ripa...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was interested in doing some maintenance on my 96 FLHRI, so I got the
FLT
> Service Manual. It mentions an electronic device called the Scanalyzer
> (HD-41325), which is used for diagnostics with the EFI ECM module. Has
> anyone gotten ahold of one of these Scanalyzers and used it? When
discussing
> using the Scanalyzer, it mentions using a "special programmable
application
> cartridge" for menu selections and data displays (pages 9-15 & 9-21, FLT
> Service Manual, 95-96). The application cartridge is not mentioned as a
> separate tool or part anywhere else, does it come with the Scanalyzer?
>
> A further question: I'm thinking about getting the Stage I EFI Performance
> Kit (29386-95), which includes a new programmable ECM. Will the same
> Scanalyzer be used on the new ECM, or would something else be required?
> Since the new ECM would effectively upgrade the bike to 97+ electronics,
> does the FLT Service Manual for that year provide instructions on the
> reprogramming functions? Is the Scanalyzer used to download the new
> instruction chip data, or is a new chip just plugged into the ECM?
>
> Thanks, David Batten 96 FLHRI
The Scanalyzer is a $2,500 item. The average Joe Blow isn't going to be
buying one (even if they could get it).
As far as the StageI upgrade, it comes with a cartridge in the kit to place
in the Scanalyzer which then uploads the new mapping data to the ECM. You
retain the cartridge incase you ever want to go back to the original
mappings. However... that's just a one shot deal! You can't (to my
knowledge) use the same cartridge to do another StageI upgrade.
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riparian
for someone to completely install the Stage I or Stage II kits themselves.
It also cuts out a lot of independents from working on them.
I've seen chip programming computers in electronics magazines, this
Scanalyzer is probably some specialized variation on those. Are there any
electronics whizzes out there who's fooled with these things?
Bob Knazik
I'm sure the "module" that gets programmed is either an EPROM type or a
flash disk type of device. Either way, there are plenty of programmer
tools to upload and download the contents. You could get someone else's
Stage I or II device, download the contents, and upload them into your
device without a lot of trouble. The biggest issue is finding out what
particular device HD used.
Bob K
no # or nothing
Mark Kutil
(Spent-More) tools. The unit is actually made by a company called OTM (I
think, get back to y'all on this). Anyway, it's way $$$$$.
riparian <ripa...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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Mr. Scottly
Mark Kutil wrote:
> The Scanalyzer is available only to HD dealerships from Kent-Moore
> (Spent-More) tools. The unit is actually made by a company called OTM (I
> think, get back to y'all on this). Anyway, it's way $$$$$.
Allow me to step in here........It's manufactured by OTC, a company who also
manufactures scan tools for automotive manufacturers and aftermarket. And you
can obtain OTC tools through any quality tool supply truck...........No all you
cheap bastards, Sears ain't got it...............
MrScottly The "Snap-On Lovin'" Asshole#54
Patrick Zambori
> An HD dealer said the Scanalyzer is not for sale. That makes it impossible
> for someone to completely install the Stage I or Stage II kits themselves.
> It also cuts out a lot of independents from working on them.
>
> I've seen chip programming computers in electronics magazines, this
> Scanalyzer is probably some specialized variation on those. Are there any
> electronics whizzes out there who's fooled with these things?
The scan tool head unit is a standard OTC unit available from snap-on, mac,
matco or any other tool dealer that sells OTC tools. The cable and cartridge
for the HD is sold by kent moore to franchised HD dealers only, but the dealer
has the option of marking it up and reselling it to the public. It's very
expensive for us, and KM gets away with it because the dealers have no choice,
the tools are shipped and the bill sent automatically.
All the other things on the market are nothing more than modulators that
connect between the engine and computer and alter the data flowing into the
ECM to change the output. Patrick
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>
> The scan tool head unit is a standard OTC unit available from snap-on, mac,
> matco or any other tool dealer that sells OTC tools.
Hmmm... Sounds like if I could get hold of the HD cable & cartridge, I could
put that Snap-On Scanalyzer in my closet to good use!
[wheels turning...DAMN! No money! LOL]
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Mr. Scottly
Donna A. wrote:
> Hmmm... Sounds like if I could get hold of the HD cable & cartridge, I could
> put that Snap-On Scanalyzer in my closet to good use!
Um, No Ma'am, you couldn't. The Snap-On unit is made by Balco Electronics, and is
quite different from the OTC scanner. It is much more user friendly, and is
updated using easy to install prom chips, instead of expensive cartridges like
the OTC unit.
MrScottly#54
riparian
appears to be a 4 prong Deutsch plug, what ever that is.
Another part you may need fot that is the Breakout Box, HD-41198, which the
manual says "plugs directly into the 35-place ECM connector to allow for
circuit diagnosis of the wiring harness and connectors". It apparently pgs
into a Fluke 78 multimeter.
There is also part no. hd-41197, the diagnostic test lamp, which plugs in
and gives basic problem codes thru blinking. It appears that this also plugs
into the Data Link Connector plug.
Donna A. wrote in message <378F22D1...@shopstop.net>...
>Patrick Zambori wrote:
>>
>> The scan tool head unit is a standard OTC unit available from snap-on,
mac,
>> matco or any other tool dealer that sells OTC tools.
>
>Hmmm... Sounds like if I could get hold of the HD cable & cartridge, I
could
>put that Snap-On Scanalyzer in my closet to good use!
>