a van for Eddie
Hilary
I'm coming out of lurk mode here to put my .02 in and ask a question....
I'm wondering if Eddie's new van has to be brandyspankin new? Just a
thought, but is there any good autobody techs in here that could supply the
labor needed to fix a salvaged or claims titled vehicle? There should be
plenty of nearly brand new salvaged vehicles with _super low_ mileage on the
tickers. If a repairable vehicle could be had for a significan savings,
would anyone object to paying a body shop to repair a vehicle for Eddie?
It's _amazing_ what a good tech can do with twisted metal and frames, not to
mention how much you can save.... I speak from experience here.
Hilary
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Taz
I hear the Mayor has a van cheap. !^)=
Taz (the still learning the hard way slug)
SENS MISFIT II III IIII MAMBM I II EKR 2003
BS#161 CR#1 NEWT#14 NS#3 DOF#45
FXRP "Gozer"
EKIII rides with me..Go Eddie!
jjs
<stencilyour...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Set 'em up Shirley, cash is on the bar. Make mine a Folgers please.
>
> I'm coming out of lurk mode here to put my .02 in and ask a question....
> I'm wondering if Eddie's new van has to be brandyspankin new? Just a
> thought, but is there any good autobody techs in here that could supply the
> labor needed to fix a salvaged or claims titled vehicle?[...]
I actually looked into that here without any luck over several months.
Perhaps it is the locale, but even the wrecked or ruined accessible vans
in the salvage yards had the lift aparatus removed for re-sale. When I
asked, the junkyard owners all said that they have reserved buyers for
lifts; they are virtually sold when they come in.
But maybe that's just here in the boonies.
Roger M
For the amount of money that is being sought I don't see how the
parties involved could be contemplating purchasing a new van. Even
stripped vans cost that much anymore. I don't know but I would guess
that they must have their eyes on a used one. It'll be new to Eddie
though.
Roger
Tud
> Hilary wrote:
>
> >Set 'em up Shirley, cash is on the bar. Make mine a Folgers please.
> >
> >I'm coming out of lurk mode here to put my .02 in and ask a question....
> >I'm wondering if Eddie's new van has to be brandyspankin new?
> >
> >remove your pink frillies to reply
> >
>
>
> I hear the Mayor has a van cheap. !^)=
There goes a perfectly good keyboard. <g>
>
> Taz (the still learning the hard way slug)
> SENS MISFIT II III IIII MAMBM I II EKR 2003
> BS#161 CR#1 NEWT#14 NS#3 DOF#45
> FXRP "Gozer"
> EKIII rides with me..Go Eddie!
--
Tud
AH#115 SENS BS#111 LFS#32 FLF MISFIT
'70 Triumph T120R Chopper "The Death Trap"
http://ah115.com
Hilary
> I actually looked into that here without any luck over several months.
> Perhaps it is the locale, but even the wrecked or ruined accessible
> vans
> in the salvage yards had the lift aparatus removed for re-sale.
Couldn't the lift be removed from his current van, and reinstalled in a
newer van, or is this a difficult process? I really don't know the first
thing about lifts, cept that I've operated one. Maybe someone with wreching
skills could do a "transplant"?
My BIL owns a body shop, and if nobody would object, I'll ask him if he
could help locate a salvage or claims title van suitable for Eddie's needs.
He looked for a van for his inlaws when they were in poor health. Seems
people in "the business" have connections... Don't know what we can come up
with, but we'll try if a repairable would be acceptable? Whatcha think?
Hilary
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Roach
"Hilary" <stencilyour...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:LLzlb.5501$oQ7.5
>
> Couldn't the lift be removed from his current van, and reinstalled in a
> newer van, or is this a difficult process?
Eddie's lift is in pretty bad shape too. He needs a new one.
Ralph
live close to Eddie) can possibly pass this on.
http://classyauto.com/v/Ford/E-150/Conversion+Van/23627
http://everydayauto.com/viewlisting.php?listing_id=23435
http://everydayauto.com/viewlisting.php?listing_id=22850
just a few. And all are under 20K
I have no clue as to actual shape etc. And I am sure someone else has
probably done this, but If I do not post it then it will turn out that it
was never done... that Murphy's Law thing......
Rog BS#207
SunShine
Great ideas you have here.
> I'm coming out of lurk mode here to put my .02 in and ask a question....
> I'm wondering if Eddie's new van has to be brandyspankin new?
It doesn't need to be new.
> thought, but is there any good autobody techs in here that could supply
> the labor needed to fix a salvaged or claims titled vehicle? There should
> be plenty of nearly brand new salvaged vehicles with _super low_ mileage
> on the tickers. If a repairable vehicle could be had for a significan
> savings, would anyone object to paying a body shop to repair a vehicle
> for Eddie?
This is a good idea, and something that we can investigate when we have
enough money in hand.
Here are some details that we hashed out when we got Eddie's current van,
and some more insight.
1) Eddie and his chair sits very high. Headroom is difficult to come by
second-hand. We will probably have to locate a van that will fit Eddie
once we have enough money to start looking, or we can find a van on the
"list" of vehicles that will work. This "list" needs to come from a
company that does the conversions.
2) We can't find a van until the money is raised. We lucked out last time.
Ann found a van that would (barely) work, and we raised the money before it
was sold to someone else.
3) We need a sound vehicle, that will need minimal repairs. There really
aren't enough of us in the area to be "on call" whenever something is wrong
with the van.
As for "later model", I feel that's negotiable.
As for "low mileage", well, that would be nice, but "low mileage" is much
higher than it used to be. Eddie's first van had 80K on it, and now it's
at 100K. That includes 3 cross-country road trips. Just random mental
notes here....
A minivan will probably not work. Where Ann has to park the van, digging
it out of the snow would be painful. Something that can drive through snow
well is important. Handling too is important, just ask anyone who has
ridden shotgun.
The basic idea, IMO, is that once we raise enough money to tart shopping
for a van, we contact a few mobility conversion places and get a list of
viable options. This list will be based on the measurements of Eddie and
his chair. Then we start shopping, assuring we've saved enough money out
for the conversion. We can also search for a conversion van that he will
fit in at the same time. But unless we find one ahead of time that we can
raise enough money for (before it is sold to someone else), we really can't
start shopping yet.
sigh.
In the meantime we are coming upon snow in these parts (and I'm southeast
of Eddie). Snow is supposed to fly tonight and tomorrow.
And the van is falling apart. :-(
SunShine - in da burgh
B#10:W#8:A#50 '83 KZ1000 "rozi"
"Get on your bikes and Ride!" -Queen
______EKIII and Thumper rider with me....______
Kat...
> "Hilary" wrote
> > in a newer van, or is this a difficult process?
> Eddie's lift is in pretty bad shape too. He needs a new one.
I hope I am not in too many kill files...
Could someone state side please check into this...
http://www.bruno.com/
This guy is from the states and is running a contest...
They have electric scooter lifts & I think one of those would work
for lifting a wheelchair into a van...
Someone from the RMH may be able to win a new lift from this guy...
Who knows... It might just be worth a try...
I am in Canada & I cannot enter this contest but mabey if all of you
stateside enter it mabey one of you could win it for Eddie...
Just my 2 cents worth... I hope it helps...
Kat...
Kat...
>
> Roach wrote:
> > "Hilary" wrote
> > > Couldn't the lift be removed from his current van, and reinstalled
> > > in a newer van, or is this a difficult process?
>
> > Eddie's lift is in pretty bad shape too. He needs a new one.
Could someone please check into this as well...
http://www.ambunet.com/index.htm
They have used wheelchair vans for sale... Might be worth a look...
Traci
<snip>
> Couldn't the lift be removed from his current van, and reinstalled in a
> newer van, or is this a difficult process? I really don't know the first
> thing about lifts, cept that I've operated one. Maybe someone with wreching
> skills could do a "transplant"?
If I am not mistaken, the electrics are pretty well shot. I seem to recall
someone had to operate the lift maually several times.
--
Traci aka sybil (change the N to h, to reply)
Vermort 11 EKIII 2003
http://eddiekieger.com/
'81 FLH w/sidehack "Doc" http://tinyurl.com/d74h
Traci
I have been searching (as has our friend Danielle) high and low through all
my contacts for either government funding, or private sector funding.
Unfortunately, when all the new budgets got handed down most of this type of
funding was slashed. It usually takes awhile for private (corporate,
usually) sources to start taking up the slack, so I have found nothing, yet.
I do know people who have found a van through this organisation before.
http://www.nmeda.org/
If you go to the dealer link, then to Ohio, you find quite a few who sell
used accessible vans. Might be a start.
There has _got_ to be funding sources!! If there are, I'll find 'em!
--
Traci aka sybil (change the N to h, to reply)
BS# 231 Vermort 11 EKIII 2003
Tim Hughes
> Couldn't the lift be removed from his current van, and reinstalled in a
>> newer van, or is this a difficult process?
And Roach reports..
>Eddie's lift is in pretty bad shape too. He needs a new one.
>
I suppose that the lift mechanism is an expensive piece of equipment,but one
that might be rebuildable and able to install in another van.I would be curious
to know the manufacturer,date of manuf.,model #,and what is wrong or
inoperable.One could then start making calls to arrange for repair,or trade
in,or replacement.Medicaid may in fact pick up a significant portion of the
cost to repair and relocate, or replace the lifting mechanism.
My other question concerns the van configuration.I'm sure a full size van is
what is needed,and a good used one should be easy to find.A used van with an
elevated roofline would be much more difficult to come by.
Anybody know about this stuff?
Tim
Snarl
<stencilyour...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Set 'em up Shirley, cash is on the bar. Make mine a Folgers please.
>
>I'm coming out of lurk mode here to put my .02 in and ask a question....
Glad ya did.
>I'm wondering if Eddie's new van has to be brandyspankin new?
No, can't afford a new one, no way.
>Just a
>thought, but is there any good autobody techs in here that could supply the
>labor needed to fix a salvaged or claims titled vehicle? There should be
>plenty of nearly brand new salvaged vehicles with _super low_ mileage on the
>tickers. If a repairable vehicle could be had for a significan savings,
>would anyone object to paying a body shop to repair a vehicle for Eddie?
>It's _amazing_ what a good tech can do with twisted metal and frames, not to
>mention how much you can save.... I speak from experience here.
Well, thanks for th' input Hilary, I'll buy yer next round <clink>
Fact is, most wheelchair conversion vans just don't get a lot of miles
racked up on 'em. We can get into a nice, late model unit that
matches Eddies needs, between $15-20k. Obviously th' cheaper th'
better, but then again, we want this one to last a long time. These
days, that's just not a lot of money for a vehicle <sigh>.
Since this is an all volunteer effort, th' logistics of completing all
of th' steps as you suggest, would be extremely difficult. We'd spent
a considerable amount of time looking into just that kind of scenario
and it just doesn't seem feasible.
We're over th' halfway mark fundraising wise, kudos to all!
Snarl... the "bless yer heart for th' thoughts" Asshole(tm)
ZombyWoof
witty:
Because the guy and his family doesn't need to be dealing with a piece
of cobbled together crap. He needs a good reliable low milage Van
that is not going to require on-going maintenance and will last a good
while. As kind hearted as this group is they cannot continually raise
money over & over to deal with the same issue. It is a substantial
sum and I cannot believe how much they have collected so far out of
such a small group of people. Way to go people.
--
ZombyWoof
The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out,
it's just a tired feeling.
Dennis Peterson
While I might have suggested as much in less blunt terms, it's true what
you say. A reliable transport vehicle capable of his needs that is not
also a maintenance problem is very desirable. There's a lot of short
cuts we could make here and there, but when Ann needs to get him into it
in a winter snow and hit that starter with the expectation that it will
start and also get the both of them to the therapist, there's little
room for error - it had damn well start and get them there, and I don't
want to have to make excuses - not that she would be affronted by any.
Ann knows and understands, and is also very thankful for the support we
continue to provide. You only need to be a part of an annual EKIII run
to see this. But... The van needs to be reliable, capable, and without
unreasonable maintenance overhead. We'd like to put money into his PT
and not his ride there, but neccessity is what it is.
I honestly believe most folks here think about this in the back of their
minds when they bid on items or offer items at the auction or just pony
up an anonymous giving. Something must explain the uncompromising
generosity that comes from this community - it's probably a goodness
gene unique to people who frequent r.m.h as I cannot otherwise explain
it. People outside this community I've shared this story with cannot
understand it - it is astonishing to them. I'm not real surprised - the
community building process here is another amazing factoid that
ultimately results in IRL bonding. If it exists in any other news group
then God bless them for what they do. What we're doing is working and
we're an example for the rest. Y'all take a bow!
dp
Hippy
this business the ones I've seen come in are usually at the point that they
need replacing..ie mileage, wear and tear on the the lift....located in Ohio
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badgirl
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked into treasury auctions for
possibly aquiring a van to convert? I know it's probably a longshot, but if
someone has the time to go and a *link* to the funds needed that's a
possibility too isn't it?
Maybe too if you check into the local health department they may have some
rescources for you to tap into for finding and funding a van that would suit
his needs. We went through them for many things for my son who is special
needs and they have come through quite a bit ;)
badgirl
SunShine
out the pointers that have been posted today and will let he look them
over. She was the one who found Eddie's van the first time around. Maybe
she can call and/or stop by some of these places.
Re: RMH genes
Yes, we do have a special gene shared in this group. Although other
newsgroups have IRLs and such, there is something very very special about
us. Our relationships are real. But it's not a gene exclusive to us, but
more of a process of bringing that gene out in others. Not everyone has
it, but if one does have it (whether they know it or not), this place will
bring it out of them.
I am PROUD to be a part of this group. I have learned so much about myself
from hanging here and from being true friends with so many of the patrons
here (and many that are not here any longer, or lurk, or just happen to pop
up in my life from time to time).
Uh-oh - Tarbender! A shot of whatever for everyone here! I just got a
little too mushy.... (but I meant it!)
And then there's Ann. She's met so many of us. She is constantly in awe
with what we do for Eddie, she is amazed when new people pop into their
lives, she has *seen* us, and what we can do. And she can't explain it any
better than any of us can.
8-}
Hippy
"Chuck Lanter" <cl...@cable1.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 4:04:04 -0600, Hippy wrote
> (in message <oINlb.81945$uJ2....@fe3.columbus.rr.com>):
>
> > I'm a Collision Tech and would be willing to help, but after 18 years in
> > this business the ones I've seen come in are usually at the point that
they
> > need replacing..ie mileage, wear and tear on the the lift....located in
Ohio
> >
>
close
> to Eddie, at least the same state anyway. Let's see how things develop...
>
>
> --
>
> Chuck Lanter
> AH#53 FHBE#7 BS#53
Not a problem Chuck...located in Columbus Ohio...whats the matter with
Eddies van anyway...details?..got alot of connections around here..some big
money guys for tax write offs and a few yards and buddies that would
help...let me know
anyway
Peace
Hippy
Rock it-Ride it-Roll it............
Terry H
wrote:
The current van has major body rot, electrics are failing, no air and
very little heat<winter is fast approching>. The lift is on it's last
legs, has failed in the past, Ann had to use the manual jack. Exhaust
smells like death and the suspension and front end are all but gone.
I'm affraid other than a bandaid to make it last it's served is
purpose well. They need a newer, winterized low mileage unit. The only
place she has to park it is off in the grass which only speeds the
body rot up. Now I guess the best thing we all can do is dig deep and
let's make this happen ASAP. Tearbender! a round on my tab for all
them helping this happen.
Terry H.
BS#177
PH #34
Hippy
stands for People in Need...the list of what they can and will do was huge.
I believe the article said they were based in Delaware Ohio....hell its
worth a shot...
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