EK Current $$ Status
SunShine
Look here for updates on where to send contributions, and how much money
has been raised.
Be sure you RELOAD on every visit!
Currently, we are trying to raise $6000 for a Mobility Converted van for
Eddie that costs $8000.
Ann put down a non-refundable $2000 deposit on the van. Our goal is to
have the money by
mid-February. This amount, though, does NOT include title, tax, and
transfer fees!
WARNING: Dates in calander are closer than they appear
Make checks payable to:
Edward F. Kieger III Charitable Trust
Send the contributions to:
EK Fund
P.O. Box 7392
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-7392
USA
If you want notification of the receipt of your donation, please send
me an email message with a valid
email address and I'll gladly send one.
This account is located at Ohio Savings Bank, Shaker Heights, OH.
Please feel free (and obligated!) to send correspondence and/or pictures
to Eddie at that address. In
addition, you can send myself (SunShine) or his Mom (Ann Kieger) mail as
well, but please only use the
EK FUND addressee label if there's a contribution enclosed.
UPDATE: Eddie's been down in the dumps. I sent him a bunch of email and
posts and it really lit him up
when Ann read them. I am forwarding letters and pictures today (1/24), I
ony wish I could be there when
she reads them. I will be giving him a tutorial on "The Internet - As It
is Today". If that doesn't put him
to sleep, nothing will! ;-) Seriously, though, it should be intersting
for him to hear how far we've come in
3 short years. And he'll understand the http://.... addresses at the end
of TV shows!
Thanks guys and gals for the shot in the arm, Eddie needed it!
Contributions received to date total
$ 3018.00 US
That's 50% of our goal of $6000.
Much more money is currently in the hands of the U.S.
Postal Service.
Thanks for your support!!!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ +++ +++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ..go eddie
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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( ) ( )
\ | | |\ | \ |_| | |\ | (^) Home Page: http://www.pmw.org/~grant
(__) \_/ | \|(__)| | | | \| _X_ Joke Collection:
Bitch#10 Wench#8 http://www.pmw.org/~grant/funnies.html
Eddie Kieger information: http://www.psc.edu/~grant/eddie/ Please
Help!
..go eddie
SunShine
Look here for updates on where to send contributions, and how much money
has been raised.
Be sure you RELOAD on every visit!
Currently, we are trying to raise $8000 for a Mobility Converted van for
Eddie. Ann put down a
non-refundable $2000 deposit on the van. Our goal is to have the money
by mid-February.
Make checks payable to:
Send the contributions to:
That's 38% of our goal of $8000.
Much more money is currently in the hands of the U.S.
Postal Service.
--
Panhead
SunShine wrote:
>
> Look here for updates on where to send contributions, and how much money has been raised.
I MUST applaud you for the efforts you have done and will do for a
friend that needs help. He (Eddie) is indeed fortunate to have a miracle
worker on his side.If truely there is a God, you are going to be his
right hand girl. This God guy will be a lucky chap indeed!
However, I have a problem. I have nothing to auction off that people
would want to pay for, nor saw anything I want to bid on.I also have a
wife that I gave full-tilt-boogy control of my finances. (she's very
good and I do NOT wish to change this perfect balance)...for instance;
There is no way she is going to let me cut loose with a check unless
this is a tax deductable expense.
While this seems to make me out as a cold-hearted SOB, with no
feelings and etc...I really am not. I would like to help. But according
to Uncle Sugar,I must at least ask.
This would help you out also if folks knew this ...and indeed it was a
tax deductable thing. I think I could make a sizeable donation if it
were. Otherwise, all I can give at this moment is my best wishes and
utmost support to Eddie, and to you also for the work you are doing, and
to those that are donating and giving.
I wish I could sew...I woud make the patches you were asking for.(but
I am deathly afraid of needles and other sharp pointy things)
If I could donate a paint job? Hmmm. I would be happy do donate my
labor. I'll even chip in the paint.(what I have in stock)
If there is a way I can other wise help, let me know.
Most truely yours,
Pan.
(by e-mail & Posted to wrecked.harley)
David DeCoster
In article <32ED27...@REMOVEsuperlink.net>, Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> writes:
|> SunShine wrote:
|> >
|> > Look here for updates on where to send contributions, and how much money has been raised.
|>
|> I MUST applaud you for the efforts you have done and will do for a
|> friend that needs help. He (Eddie) is indeed fortunate to have a miracle
|> worker on his side.If truely there is a God, you are going to be his
|> right hand girl. This God guy will be a lucky chap indeed!
|> However, I have a problem. I have nothing to auction off that people
|> would want to pay for, nor saw anything I want to bid on.I also have a
|> wife that I gave full-tilt-boogy control of my finances. (she's very
|> good and I do NOT wish to change this perfect balance)...for instance;
|> There is no way she is going to let me cut loose with a check unless
|> this is a tax deductable expense.
|> While this seems to make me out as a cold-hearted SOB, with no
|> feelings and etc...I really am not. I would like to help. But according
|> to Uncle Sugar,I must at least ask.
|> This would help you out also if folks knew this ...and indeed it was a
|> tax deductable thing. I think I could make a sizeable donation if it
|> were. Otherwise, all I can give at this moment is my best wishes and
|> utmost support to Eddie, and to you also for the work you are doing, and
|> to those that are donating and giving.
C'mon Pan, just drop a $20 bill into an envelope. You don't want to know
what it takes to make something like this tax deductible. Takes almost
a year to get a number from the Feds and most states won't cut you any
slack until you get the Fed #.
WhackO
--
Davey D #7
For those who understand, NO explanation
is needed, for those who DON'T understand
NO explanation will be given.
Panhead
John J. Stafford wrote:
> > There is no way she is going to let me cut loose with a check unless
> > this is a tax deductable expense.
>
> Perhaps I'm being stupid - it wouldn't be the first time, but
> it strikes me as fundamentally YUPPIE SCUM BOTTOM-LINE BULLSHIT
> that your wife won't "let you make a donation" unless it's a
> business deal. Where is her heart? Where are your balls?
> (Where is my head?)
>
> I'll sit tight on any commitment to the sentiment above until
> the point is clarified - giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Well, I quess it was plainly obviouse to me that I was gonna get flack
as soon as I hit the "send" key.
It's no counterfeit letter.
To answer your questions about where the various parts of our anatomy
are, will also not sit well with others.But ,I'll give it a whirl.
Everything is located in the same places as everybody elses.
I don't know Eddie, nor anybody else in this newsgroup. I never shook
hands or had a drink with any of you except virtualy. I just don't go
around sending money to people I don't know on the Usenet. It doen't
bother me if anyone thinks of me as "pussy whipped" or not,for I still
applaud my wifes keen business sence.
Sunshine was kind enough to send me a nice letter in return. Possibly
understanding my plight? I don't know. But she advised me to consider a
few things, and I will most definitely check into it. Allen also
mentioned some similar thoughts too regarding this.
I've never been good at trying to think with my heart,and I don't plan
to start now.There are indeed other specialized organs that I need to
use for that,and even that needs a little fine tuning as you are all
aware.
So with that in mind,I would like to indeed wish Eddie the best of
luck and health,and again congratulate all those (Sunshine,Ann) and the
rest who are doing as much as you are doing, for whom must be a truely
remarkable friend.
And sorry Mr.Stafford, if I do seem like the Cold hearted SOB I had
feared you would think of me as.
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> wrote:
> Well, I quess it was plainly obviouse to me that I was gonna get flack
>as soon as I hit the "send" key.
Hell, Panhead, your money, your business. I sometimes give what I can
afford to a worthy and non tax-exempt cause and here's why it makes
better sense than conventional charity to me. If I write a check for
$100 to a charity, the AdminScum are going to get the first 50%,
minimum. I get a 28% tax break, so I spent $72, and somebody who
needs a hand gets $50 much later, after it dribbles through the
bureaucracy.
If I just find that guy, and give him $50 outta my pocket, I have a
net savings of $22, he gets the money *now*, and I perform the added
civic function of helping to starve a bureaucrat (hopefully before it
breeds). But that's my money, and my business.
Besides, didn't I notice that you neatly sidestepped the ol' lady and
put a set of heads on the auction block? Not to embarrass you or
anything, but I suspect you *do* have a good heart in there. You're
just doing it your own way.
Kelly Fitzpatrick
"Fans don't let fans deride drunk."
-Jon M, after SF 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo
punched a loudmouthed Packers fan
Dave Warner
In article <Stafford-280...@jstafford.winona.msus.edu>,
Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu says...
>
>In article <32ED27...@REMOVEsuperlink.net>,
>pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net wrote:
>
>> If I could donate a paint job? Hmmm.
>
Well, if he won't, I got some of that granite-look stuff that
would surely be a great improvement over yer stock paint job. ;^)
later/wienie
Kelly Fitzpatrick
kmf...@kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
>Besides, didn't I notice that you neatly sidestepped the ol' lady and
>put a set of heads on the auction block?
Ooops! 'Twas Putt. Sorry.
Jim Fort
Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> wrote:
>John J. Stafford wrote:
>> > There is no way she is going to let me cut loose with a check unless
>> > this is a tax deductable expense.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm being stupid - it wouldn't be the first time, but
>> it strikes me as fundamentally YUPPIE SCUM BOTTOM-LINE BULLSHIT
>> that your wife won't "let you make a donation" unless it's a
>> business deal. Where is her heart? Where are your balls?
>> (Where is my head?)
>>
>> I'll sit tight on any commitment to the sentiment above until
>> the point is clarified - giving you the benefit of the doubt.
> Well, I quess it was plainly obviouse to me that I was gonna get flack
>as soon as I hit the "send" key.
> It's no counterfeit letter.
(snip)
> And sorry Mr.Stafford, if I do seem like the Cold hearted SOB I had
>feared you would think of me as.
How about Ice Cold.
Jim
Panhead
If the proceeds of the sale of the motorcycle in question goes to the
cause,Sure. I'll paint lawnmowers.
But no flames or candies. Stock type paint.
Panhead
Kelly Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Well, I quess it was plainly obviouse to me that I was gonna get flack
> >as soon as I hit the "send" key.
> Besides, didn't I notice that you neatly sidestepped the ol' lady and
> put a set of heads on the auction block? Not to embarrass you or
> anything, but I suspect you *do* have a good heart in there. You're
> just doing it your own way.
Nope, I placed *my* head on the _chopping_ block.
(musta been the "other" panhead)
Keith James
Panhead wrote:
>
> If the proceeds of the sale of the motorcycle in question goes to the
> cause,Sure. I'll paint lawnmowers.
> But no flames or candies. Stock type paint.
Hey Pan - Give me an opening bid and I'll add it to the Web page!
Panhead
Keith James wrote:
>
> Hey Pan - Give me an opening bid and I'll add it to the Web page!
>
Ok, here's what I can do. This is gonna get rather involved so pay
attention.
Let's say somebody has a "perfect" set of tin they want painted.
What I mean by "perfect" is, the tin has to be sound (no dents, and
the gas tank has been preasure tested and coated inside(if they want
that) BEFORE painting gets done)
If the tank leaks an destroys the paint...sorry dude.
Body work costs, and it consumes a LOT of time.... so;
NO Aftermarket "new" tin! These pieces can only be described as
horrible at best. I have found that the *best* from any of these
companies I have seen, usually needs about about ten hours of prep just
to make them worth painting. The big fat fendered FLH type land yaught
fenders are the worst! Just the tanks (while OK) need about three hours
of body work.
FXR front and sportbob type rears are not quite so bad.
No biggy. Let us(me) talk about just paint for now.
Let's say I have a wonderful set of tin, and the customer wants a
basic Black or white, or any single stage pastel/solid color.
I can do this quite easily (and quickly) for about $300.00 US.
With this, I give a life time guarantee against any kind of paint
failure to the orginal owner/purchaser of my "service".
Metallics and pearls type things, and things we need or want
clear-coated will add about another 50 bucks..... tops.
Candies? add 100.
Want a nice simple flame job on it? Add 150.00 to the basic price.
It could on an on... but I won't here. (your welcome)
I will only do one of these jobs of course, and the person who wants
to donate these funds has to show rather remarkable proof that the funds
in question do indeed go to Eddie. ( Iam sure that Sunshine will let me
know...I'll work out the details...I hope)
The buyer of said painting services will also consider the down time
needed for shipping (which normally needs an extra week, so as the paint
doesn't mark when but into a box) and will consume any and all
shipping/insurance costs his/her self.
I can now say I can donate a "typical" 3 to 4 hunert buck paint job
in the name of the foundation for Eddie.
Confirmation of funds will be HIGHLY scrutinized.
Please write back for further info.
(now at WEBSPAN.net)
panhead@webspan
Please note that I am working the bugs out of this "new system" so
don't get cranky if I don't write back as soon as you would like.
Panhead
Chuck Lanter wrote:
> <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> wrote:
>
> <snip some>
>
> > I wish I could sew...I woud make the patches you were asking for.(but
> >I am deathly afraid of needles and other sharp pointy things)
> > If I could donate a paint job? Hmmm. I would be happy do donate my
> >labor. I'll even chip in the paint.(what I have in stock)
> > If there is a way I can other wise help, let me know.
> > Most truely yours,
> > Pan.
> >
> Panhead, are you offering a custom paint job for the auction? Your
> post _almost_ sounds like it. Can ya clarify it a little for us? If
> yes, what's the minimum bid?
(maybe I should switch to sewing!)
Here's the drill.
I am getting used to my new "server" at the moment.
I am in the midst of replying to this same question as we speak.
(opening up a new server just opened up 1600(!!!) posts to me, so I have
to wade thru the old and useless stuff)
I think I can do this...the paint thing.....for Eddie.
I'm writing out the faqs/facts etc... and will be posted...
Stay tuned.
( yes I have a heart, I just can't remember where the fug I left it)
Panhead
John J. Stafford wrote:
>
> In article <E4r8J...@pippen.ub.com>, wie...@ub.com wrote:
>
> > > Sure. Here's a test of your sincerity. Would you paint a BMW?
> >
> > Well, if he won't, I got some of that granite-look stuff that
> > would surely be a great improvement over yer stock paint job.
>
> make a statement at the next BMW rally. I could park it
> next to the carbon fiber monstrosities and watch the poseurs
> go into convulsions.
If we pay extra, I can paint it so ugly even you won't want it.
(sorry for any misunderstandings I might have caused)
Keith James
putt wrote:
>
> "I" put the heads on the block, and "you" didn't bid on them.
> But then, nobody else did either.
Just so's everybody knows, someone DID make a bid on the heads - Wayne
from Ontario bid $150.00 US! Check out the auction page for new updates,
and don't forget to bid!
http://www.west.net/~online/ek
kj
Keith James
Panhead wrote:
>
> Keith James wrote:
>
> > Hey Pan - Give me an opening bid and I'll add it to the Web page!
>
> Ok, here's what I can do. This is gonna get rather involved so pay
> attention.
<very involved description of lots of work SNIPPED>
Well folks, if you caught Panhead's post, you can see what he's willing
to do, which is a whole lot more than anyone ever imagined... My hat's
off to you Panhead - you're quite a guy...
I'll repost his amazing offer on the web site. Take advantage, people...
kj
Panhead
Keith James wrote:
>
> Panhead wrote:
> > Ok, here's what I can do. This is gonna get rather involved so pay
> > attention.
> <very involved description of lots of work SNIPPED>
>
> Well folks, if you caught Panhead's post, you can see what he's willing
> to do, which is a whole lot more than anyone ever imagined... My hat's
> off to you Panhead - you're quite a guy...
Well, that's very kind of you also to say. Maybe you could add this:
Ultimately, what I would like to see is a Sportster kinda thang.
Even if the tin needs stripping and minor body work, I can do this
quickly, in a single color with (supplied)decals if wanted, or basic
two/three color flames ...also if wanted or desired.
I would really not like to at this time a ,say $400.00 discounted,
coupon price off some multi candy colored,pearled extravaganza,with
pictures of naked hooters and such. It will really take to much time
right now.
As luck(?) would have it, I have been contacted by some gentleman in
Northern NJ about painting a fleet of...(are you ready?)...Lambrettas!
He does restorations on these things for museums and private
collectors,and has informed me that he has about 5 of these things ready
now, and about 10 more that are going to be ready for paint in the near
future. He said his last painter was takeing to long (Three months per
bike!) and was paying him about 1100 hunert per bike average.
This is good money folks!
SO, I would like to make that offer still stand, but lets keep it
small and simple.
C'mon Sporty Owners!
Panhead
Matt Pittelkow
In <32EE3F...@REMOVEsuperlink.net>, Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> writes:
>John J. Stafford wrote:
>
>> > There is no way she is going to let me cut loose with a check unless
>> > this is a tax deductable expense.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm being stupid - it wouldn't be the first time, but
>> it strikes me as fundamentally YUPPIE SCUM BOTTOM-LINE BULLSHIT
>> that your wife won't "let you make a donation" unless it's a
>> business deal. Where is her heart? Where are your balls?
My $.02 opinion on the matter is that the above has no place in
a public forum. If a person can't/won't contribute it should be
their karma/business and no one elses. I know that panhead invited
various flames with his public post. The problem is that "we" don't
know him and can't pass judgement with any accuracy so it should
not be passed at all.
> I don't know Eddie, nor anybody else in this newsgroup. I never shook
>hands or had a drink with any of you except virtualy. I just don't go
>around sending money to people I don't know on the Usenet.
snip...
In regards to business this is wise. In regard to life....it's not the way
I want my ship to run.
I don't know Eddie from adam. I do plan on sending what I can afford
with the full knowledge that this could be a scam (sorry sunshine not
shooting at you). The way I see it is like this. If I can afford it and have a
good idea that it's not a scam (I know most of these people) then I go for it.
If I get burnt I still was doing my part to help and God help the sorry SOB
that tried to pull it off.
Besides, if ya can't trust bikers who can you trust?
Matt #16
R1100RT (The Ballistic Luxury Liner)
Panhead
Matt Pittelkow wrote:
>
> In <32EE3F...@REMOVEsuperlink.net>, Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> writes:
> >John J. Stafford wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Perhaps I'm being stupid...(snip)
> My $.02 opinion on the matter is that the above has no place in
> a public forum. If a... (snip)
I think it's as good a place as any. I understand the concern you
mentioned tho.
If folks don't know the metal (or plastic) I am made of I feel they
have no other way of knowing whether I am worth doing any kind of future
business with. I am one those people/things you either love or hate
unfortunatly,...there is no middle ground.
> > I don't know Eddie, nor anybody else in this newsgroup. I never shook
> >hands or had a drink with any of you except virtualy. I just don't go
> >around sending money to people I don't know on the Usenet.
> snip...
> In regards to business this is wise. In regard to life....it's not the way I want my ship to run.
This is no problem with me. I am only the Captain of my own boat.
I don't want, nor would I expect to be in control of anothers ship when
they go sailing up the river of swill....without an oar.
I still think I asked a semi wise question....business wise.
How people interpret it into there personal lives tho.... up to them.
> I don't know Eddie from adam. I do plan on sending what I can afford
> with the full knowledge that this could be a scam (sorry sunshine not
> shooting at you).
> If I get burnt I still was doing my part to help and God help the sorry SOB that tried to pull it off.
Twas my point! I never really deep down inside thought it was a scam,by
ANY means. I've been well aware of "Eddie" ever since I first found
Sunshines page.
But due to rather eloquent articulation of English-speak, (not) I
kind-a figured I said it wrong in my post regarding this entire matter.
Oh well.
Forgiveness would be devine, but I am not really counting on it.
> Besides, if ya can't trust bikers who can you trust?
I trust no "biker" just because they are one. However, I do trust
anybody that has shown themselves to be trustworthy.Biker or not.
Hell, I didn't trust my "wife" until she was mine-all-mine. We now have
a rather swell understanding of how trust can be a true love kinda
thing. We trust (and love) each other exceedingly well.
>
> Matt #16
> R1100RT (The Ballistic Luxury Liner)
Panhead
Shoves & Knucks...'74&'45
And a free beer to all!...virtualy.
Stick
Panhead wrote:
>
> Keith James wrote:
> >
> > Panhead wrote:
>
> > > Ok, here's what I can do. This is gonna get rather involved so pay
> > > attention.
> > <very involved description of lots of work SNIPPED>
> Ultimately, what I would like to see is a Sportster kinda thang.
> Even if the tin needs stripping and minor body work, I can do this
> quickly, in a single color with (supplied)decals if wanted, or basic
> two/three color flames ...also if wanted or desired.
> I would really not like to at this time a ,say $400.00 discounted,
> coupon price off some multi candy colored,pearled extravaganza,with
> pictures of naked hooters and such. It will really take to much time
> right now.
Hey Pan....you're making this tooooo tempting.
FXR fenders and tank (perfect stock paint job we discussed)
Black (simple enough?)urethane.
I'll bid ya' $200.00 and pay all shipping and insurance.
Consider this your first BID on the basic paint job.
STICK-N.CA.
No.47
putt
kmf...@kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
-- snip about Panhead --
}Besides, didn't I notice that you neatly sidestepped the ol' lady and
}put a set of heads on the auction block? Not to embarrass you or
}anything, but I suspect you *do* have a good heart in there. You're
}just doing it your own way.
}
But then, nobody else did either.
Putt... #19
Don Fearn
In article <Stafford-290...@jstafford.winona.msus.edu>,
Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu avers...
>
> A cement full-fairing would definitely
> make a statement at the next BMW rally. I could park it
> next to the carbon fiber monstrosities and watch the poseurs
> go into convulsions.
Huh? Where have you ever seen any BMW with carbon fiber anything?
I really doubt it.
> Nah. I'll stick to the poseur $6.36 theft-deterrent paint job I have.
YES! Das Boot looks *good* flat black!!
-pooder th' observant bastard
Some AH # or another
Panhead
Stick wrote:
> > > Panhead wrote:
> >
> > > > Ok, here's what I can do.
>
> Hey Pan....you're making this tooooo tempting.
> FXR fenders and tank (perfect stock paint job we discussed)
> Black (simple enough?)urethane.
>
> I'll bid ya' $200.00 and pay all shipping and insurance.
> Consider this your first BID on the basic paint job.
Will Consider it. Lets see how things go.
Send/scan a picture if ya can .
(black is my favorite)
David DeCoster
In article <5cqnrt$14...@news.rchland.ibm.com>, mpitt...@VNET.IBM.COM (Matt Pittelkow) writes:
|> In <32EE3F...@REMOVEsuperlink.net>, Panhead <pan...@REMOVEsuperlink.net> writes:
|> >John J. Stafford wrote:
|> Besides, if ya can't trust bikers who can you trust?
|>
|> R1100RT (The Ballistic Luxury Liner)
|>
Coming from a one eyed little pirate on a BMW?
That's a loaded question.
ppo...@rc.sdstate.edu
On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Chuck Lanter wrote:
> One of the things we talked about during the Bay Area
> gathering last week was the fact that it's pretty easy to get to
> "know" people here in the bar over time. Even though in many cases
> people never meet, It doesn't take long learn personalities and figure
> out who's coming at things straight and who's just blowing air.
I call this "getting to know someone from the inside out" and
the process assumes honesty from all parties concerned, but
even then, you can usually tell who's trying to pretend they're
something that they're not.
This process completely bypasses some usual social customs that
we're used to, like first impressions based on looks. For a
society that's as obsessed with looks as we are, this is a
pretty radical change.
After meeting people at MITM and the Buck & Gator, I'd have to
say that you can almost always tell that someone who frequents
the rmh vb&g already believes that words are important. This
fact alone separates these people from many others.
Penny
ASSHOLE #29
Ken
Insightful (and I suspect accurate) observations, both.
Ken - HSB#07
Chris Troudt
ppo...@rc.sdstate.edu wrote:
|>
|> I call this "getting to know someone from the inside out" and
|> the process assumes honesty from all parties concerned, but
|> even then, you can usually tell who's trying to pretend they're
|> something that they're not.
|>
|> This process completely bypasses some usual social customs that
|> we're used to, like first impressions based on looks. For a
|> society that's as obsessed with looks as we are, this is a
|> pretty radical change.
|>
|> After meeting people at MITM and the Buck & Gator, I'd have to
|> say that you can almost always tell that someone who frequents
|> the rmh vb&g already believes that words are important. This
|> fact alone separates these people from many others.
|>
|> Penny
|> ASSHOLE #29
These are words of wisdom from a very perceptive soul.
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Matt Pittelkow
In <Stafford-310...@199.17.133.220>, Staf...@Wind.Winona.msus.edu (John J. Stafford) writes:
>In article <5crl98$1746$1...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, poo...@ibm.net (Don
>Fearn) wrote:
>
>> Huh? Where have you ever seen any BMW with carbon fiber anything?
>
> it myself. Winona State has, after all, the first and the best
> undergraduate composite materials engineering program in the world.
> Hell, we have our own composites factory on campus. Have you see
> Shane Ferguson's CF Sporty road racer? It was done here.
D&D makes a carbon fiber slip on exhaust for beemers. I have also
seen a fender on a GS (damn this is an ugly bike) that was carbon fiber.