4 Speed shifting pattern info...
Goose
to find out if
anyone can give me good information regarding the shifting pattern(s) of the
FL 4 Speed Trans compared to the FX 4 Speed Trans. One down and three up is
the usual (stock) pattern on the FL and I presume that it is the same for
the FX.
The Shift Arm that is screwed onto the Pawl on the FL is at the 6:o'clock
position (behind the Inner Primary) or there about and the FX is at about
the 12:o'clock position (above the Inner Primary). Still presuming the shift
pattern is the same, if someone switched the Shift Arm from an FL to an FX
it would logically reverse the Shifting Pattern. Correct?? I have an early
(69) 4 Speed Trans and out of necessity, want to run the FX Shifting Arm but
without reversing the Shift Pattern. I want to retain the One Down, Three Up
pattern. Can the Shifting Cam be reversed or can this be accomplished in any
other way without any complicated friggen mega buck B.S. trip?
Any help will be appreciated.
What I am trying to accomplish is to have the Shift Arm, (the one from the
forward control to the pawl carrier arm) straight across the top as the
newer Softail models do. The stock early arm on this year (1969) would go
from the foot lever to the Pawl Carrier, but would angle down and disappear
behind the Inner Primary. I could easily just switch the Shift Arm that
screws onto the Pawl Carrier cover, but this would reverse the Shifting
Pattern to One UP and Three DOWN. The reason for all this hassle is that I
have completely gone through this scooter and replaced the controls with
Billet Forward Controls and want to run a PYO Holy Missing Link shift arm. I
need to figure out which way I am going to be able to go with this because I
am also converting to BDL 1 1/2" enclosed and need to get all this done
before I can go ahead with installing all the Primary Drive and cover etc...
I don't want to have to run that shitty looking stock shift arm that you
can't see anyway and I don't want to reverse the Shifting Patter either. So
like I asked,.... ANY HELP....
Thanks....
Chuck
Reading all this makes me thursday, how about a drink.
Charlie on the Harley.
78FXE
Chuck
> >Reading all this makes me thursday, how about a drink.
>
> Charlie on the Harley.
> 78FXE
Also my shift arm runs down behind the inner primary but
the shift pattern is reversed. 1 up and 3 down. It is fast when
geting up to freeway speed.
My buddy tried my bike in the parking lot and stalled it twice
in 2nd gear thinking it was 1 down and 3 up.
Old Crow
wrote:
>For reasons I won't go into great depth and bore you all with, I would like
>to find out if
>anyone can give me good information regarding the shifting pattern(s) of the
>FL 4 Speed Trans compared to the FX 4 Speed Trans. One down and three up is
>the usual (stock) pattern on the FL and I presume that it is the same for
>the FX.
Not sure if it's supposed to, but my buddy's '72 Superglide shifts 1
up 3 down.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
Hoppy
>> I don't want to have to run that shitty looking stock shift arm that you
> can't see anyway and I don't want to reverse the Shifting Patter either. So
> like I asked,.... ANY HELP....
>
> Thanks....
Swap the ratchet top for one from an FX.
Hoppy
BS7 AH85 SENS
Ryder Rick
"Chuck" <shovelh...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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That can be a real bitch when you are charging into a tight twistie,
you kick it down a gear at the last second to scrub off speed,
but since you've just upshifted you launch yourself and your backwards
shifting POS into oblivion.
I have the same problem with the early sporties, but at least when you push
down on where the brake should be it downshifts and slows you down.
RickB <snerk>
Par Willen
> "Chuck" <shovelh...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
>>My buddy tried my bike in the parking lot and stalled it twice
>>in 2nd gear thinking it was 1 down and 3 up.
>
> That can be a real bitch when you are charging into a tight twistie,
Or like a fellow dragracer did here, it got kind of tight towards the
finishline with the guy in the other lane showing up in the corner of
his eye so his mindset was not 100% on the reversed shiftpattern he just
put on the bike. At full throttle and 6800 rpms in fourth gear he put it
in third gear instead of fifth.
Regards
PiPPi
#66, BS#13, SENS
Ryder Rick
"Par Willen" <NOS...@swipnet.se> wrote in message
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I hope his rev limiter was set conservatively.
We used to not use / disable the rev limiters because they were unreliable
in the drag boats (early 80's). Somehow we wangled up a gear and prop combo
that did not load the motor, the dual dominator carbed chevy big block sang
like a bird (driver did not lift, doha), the tatle-tale showed well over
9000 rpm! It seems the gods of chaos took a day off , a couple of new valve
springs and we ran the motor the rest of the weekend. I think that was a
Rick King motor...
RickB
Harold Gailey
"Ryder Rick" <despam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have the same problem with the early sporties, but at least when you
push
> down on where the brake should be it downshifts and slows you down.
>
> RickB <snerk>
I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and after he
was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin. Even
after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the right,
the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had trouble
leaving his driveway to begin with.
--
Harold
74 CB450 stolen, 74 Z1 traded, 76 FX stolen, 78 FX(E), 02 FXDX
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Les
"Harold Gailey" <hga...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ryder Rick" <despam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:105e6g3...@news.supernews.com...
>
> > I have the same problem with the early sporties, but at least when you
> push
> > down on where the brake should be it downshifts and slows you down.
> >
> > RickB <snerk>
>
> I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and after
he
> was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin.
Even
> after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the
right,
> the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
> accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had trouble
> leaving his driveway to begin with.
My test ride on the Triumph was interesting. I did great until I got ready
to slow down to make a u-turn. Hit the shifter instead of the brake, but at
least I was going slow. After riding this bike for the past 5 1/2 years, I'd
have trouble riding one with a left side shifter.
Les
Harold Gailey
"Les" <test_r...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> > I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and after
> he
> > was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin.
> Even
> > after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the
> right,
> > the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
> > accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had
trouble
> > leaving his driveway to begin with.
>
> My test ride on the Triumph was interesting. I did great until I got ready
> to slow down to make a u-turn. Hit the shifter instead of the brake, but
at
> least I was going slow. After riding this bike for the past 5 1/2 years,
I'd
> have trouble riding one with a left side shifter.
>
> Les
Remind me not to offer to let you ride one of my bikes... just kidding.
Les
>
> "Les" <test_r...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:rxP5c.40177$3X2.10877@okepread04...
> >
> > "Harold Gailey" <hga...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> > > I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and
after
> > he
> > > was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin.
> > Even
> > > after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the
> > right,
> > > the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
> > > accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had
> trouble
> > > leaving his driveway to begin with.
> >
> > My test ride on the Triumph was interesting. I did great until I got
ready
> > to slow down to make a u-turn. Hit the shifter instead of the brake, but
> at
> > least I was going slow. After riding this bike for the past 5 1/2 years,
> I'd
> > have trouble riding one with a left side shifter.
> >
> > Les
>
> Remind me not to offer to let you ride one of my bikes... just kidding.
I'd turn it down. I won't ride someone elses bike & they won't ride mine. A
simple rule to avoid screwing up friendships...
Les
Harold Gailey
>
> "Harold Gailey" <hga...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:0RP5c.54162$u_5....@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Remind me not to offer to let you ride one of my bikes... just kidding.
>
> I'd turn it down. I won't ride someone elses bike & they won't ride mine.
A
> simple rule to avoid screwing up friendships...
>
> Les
>
I used to feel that way about every other person on the face of the earth.
Now I think I would allow a few close friends to ride my bikes. Hell I even
have offered my wife to ride after her first attempt about 25 years ago went
well enough but still scared me half to death. All she has to do is learn on
someone else's bike first. I would never ask to ride anyone else's bike
unless it was someone who knew me well enough to know what he was getting
into and his bike was not so different from mine (like shifters on the same
side and such).
Right side shifters, foot clutched bikes ... fuggedaboutit.
Les
>
> "Les" <test_r...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:a3Q5c.40405$3X2.37739@okepread04...
> >
> > "Harold Gailey" <hga...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:0RP5c.54162$u_5....@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>
>
> > > Remind me not to offer to let you ride one of my bikes... just
kidding.
> >
> > I'd turn it down. I won't ride someone elses bike & they won't ride
mine.
> A
> > simple rule to avoid screwing up friendships...
> >
> > Les
> >
>
> I used to feel that way about every other person on the face of the earth.
> Now I think I would allow a few close friends to ride my bikes. Hell I
even
> have offered my wife to ride after her first attempt about 25 years ago
went
> well enough but still scared me half to death. All she has to do is learn
on
> someone else's bike first. I would never ask to ride anyone else's bike
> unless it was someone who knew me well enough to know what he was getting
> into and his bike was not so different from mine (like shifters on the
same
> side and such).
> Right side shifters, foot clutched bikes ... fuggedaboutit.
I do suppose I might make an exception or 2. I don't know of anyone I'd
consider letting ride my bike that I haven't met thru RMH though.
I'll stick with right side shift, except on the new project. It's gonna have
a foot clutch & tank shift. Now that I think about it, I'd probably let a
few people ride this one. <sfsf>
Les
Ryder Rick
>
> "Ryder Rick" <despam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:105e6g3...@news.supernews.com...
>
> > I have the same problem with the early sporties, but at least when you
> push
> > down on where the brake should be it downshifts and slows you down.
> >
> > RickB <snerk>
>
> I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and after
he
> was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin.
Even
> after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the
right,
> the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
> accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had trouble
> leaving his driveway to begin with.
>
It's automatic for me even if I consciously try to reprogram myself.
I still hit the shifter for brakes.
RickB
Old Crow
wrote:
>> I would never ask to ride anyone else's bike
>> unless it was someone who knew me well enough to know what he was getting
>> into and his bike was not so different from mine (like shifters on the
>same
>> side and such).
>> Right side shifters, foot clutched bikes ... fuggedaboutit.
>
>I do suppose I might make an exception or 2. I don't know of anyone I'd
>consider letting ride my bike that I haven't met thru RMH though.
>
>I'll stick with right side shift, except on the new project. It's gonna have
>a foot clutch & tank shift. Now that I think about it, I'd probably let a
>few people ride this one. <sfsf>
>
>Les
>
Once you master the right shift thing, it's no big deal to switch back
and forth. When I built my Sporty, I had the stuff to make it either
right or left shift. I decided on a right shift setup to match my
wife's bike, thinking of reducing confusion. After she got rid of the
Sporty and bought the Superglide, I found that switching back and
forth wasn't really a concern.
I've no experience with a hand shift setup, but *might* take a stab at
it on 3 wheels(although the 45 trike I rode for 3 blocks about 29
years ago scared the shit out of me).
Donna A.
> "Ryder Rick" <despam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:105e6g3...@news.supernews.com...
>
>
>>I have the same problem with the early sporties, but at least when you
>
> push
>
>>down on where the brake should be it downshifts and slows you down.
>>
>>RickB <snerk>
>
>
> I had a friend/neighbor who restored a K model next door to me and after he
> was done let the few of us in the near vicinity try it out for a spin. Even
> after repeatedly telling every rider to remember the shifter's on the right,
> the brake is on the left, every damned one of us either downshifted
> accidently (without clutch) when coming back from the spin, or had trouble
> leaving his driveway to begin with.
he he he Been there done that! Even when I'd chant to myself "shift right,
brake left, shift right, brake left..." Then I'd come to a stop sign and
CLACK! Ooops!
--
Donna A.
Wench #17/Bitch #17/BS #26/AH#107
'95 FLHTCUI Fuel Injected 30th Anniversary Electraglide "Fueley"
'66 H-D Bobcat "Baby Blue"--Harley Hummer Club Member #1066
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Les
"Old Crow" <walli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:14:36 -0600, "Les" <test_r...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> I would never ask to ride anyone else's bike
> >> unless it was someone who knew me well enough to know what he was
getting
> >> into and his bike was not so different from mine (like shifters on the
> >same
> >> side and such).
> >> Right side shifters, foot clutched bikes ... fuggedaboutit.
> >
> >I do suppose I might make an exception or 2. I don't know of anyone I'd
> >consider letting ride my bike that I haven't met thru RMH though.
> >
> >I'll stick with right side shift, except on the new project. It's gonna
have
> >a foot clutch & tank shift. Now that I think about it, I'd probably let a
> >few people ride this one. <sfsf>
> >
> >Les
> >
>
> Once you master the right shift thing, it's no big deal to switch back
> and forth. When I built my Sporty, I had the stuff to make it either
> right or left shift. I decided on a right shift setup to match my
> wife's bike, thinking of reducing confusion. After she got rid of the
> Sporty and bought the Superglide, I found that switching back and
> forth wasn't really a concern.
Yeah, I've seen you jump from one bike to another. Not sure I want to try
that myself.
> I've no experience with a hand shift setup, but *might* take a stab at
> it on 3 wheels(although the 45 trike I rode for 3 blocks about 29
> years ago scared the shit out of me).
You'd try 3 wheels? Heh, SR'04 might be your chance.
Les
Harold Gailey
> I've no experience with a hand shift setup, but *might* take a stab at
> it on 3 wheels(although the 45 trike I rode for 3 blocks about 29
> years ago scared the shit out of me).
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
That scares me just thinking about it.
Philip Nasadowski
"Ryder Rick" <despam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the tatle-tale showed well over 9000 rpm!
I have, somewhere here, a video, of a ricer boy kid in his Honda
(acura?) showing off his gear shifting prowess by upshifting a little
into the red zone on the tach.
Naturally, he goes from 3rd back to 2nd, not into 4th. The camera
lunges forward and springs back, but if you step through the vid, you
see at one point the needle's about 1 or 2 inches off scale. The motor
sounds like the mother of all Kawasaki Ninjas, and he comments "Oh shit!"
I have a few other interesting ones here too...
Oh yeah, does anyone else here have a '99 Twin Cam that likes to miss
3rd?
Harold Gailey
"Donna A." <flhtc...@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> he he he Been there done that! Even when I'd chant to myself "shift right,
> brake left, shift right, brake left..." Then I'd come to a stop sign and
> CLACK! Ooops!
>
> --
> Donna A.
> Wench #17/Bitch #17/BS #26/AH#107
> '95 FLHTCUI Fuel Injected 30th Anniversary Electraglide "Fueley"
> '66 H-D Bobcat "Baby Blue"--Harley Hummer Club Member #1066
Trannies must be tuff stuff. I used to occasionally shift the shovel without
the clutch when the left hand was otherwise occupied. Never seemed to bother
it.
Par Willen
Old Crow wrote:
> I've no experience with a hand shift setup, but *might* take a stab at
> it on 3 wheels(although the 45 trike I rode for 3 blocks about 29
> years ago scared the shit out of me).
Piece of cake. The UglyTrike sports a suicide clutch and a left hand
throttle with hand-shifting through a gate on the right hand of the tank.
Freaks some MC-folks out when you take off from a red-light while having
your right pinkie buried up your nose. The whole deal is "cognitive
dissonance" at its best.
Could be worse.
Fiddle Man
"Philip Nasadowski" <nasa...@nospam.usermail.com> wrote in message
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It's nice to know others have that same problem with the '99 Twinkie; I
thought for a while I had problems with control of my foot. It's really a
bear when downshifting, isn't it? It seems that it only happens when there
are people watching you and you always get that little tire squeak and
sudden engine acceleration that's embarrassing as hell. It's also pretty
hairy when it happens on a wet road, too; the old butt sucks up about three
inches of seat when that happens. It hasn't happened on my '99 Electra
Glide Standard for a while, so either I'm getting better with my foot or the
problem in the tranny is working its way out. Ride Safe.
Roger Monger
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Chuck
>
> Piece of cake. The UglyTrike sports a suicide clutch and a left hand
> throttle with hand-shifting through a gate on the right hand of the tank.
>
> Freaks some MC-folks out when you take off from a red-light while having
> your right pinkie buried up your nose.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Is that with or w/o a glove on.
Charlie on the Harley
78FXE
Philip Nasadowski
"Fiddle Man" <mong...@nospamadelphia.net> wrote:
> It's nice to know others have that same problem with the '99 Twinkie; I
> thought for a while I had problems with control of my foot.
Me too.
> It seems that it only happens when there
> are people watching you and you always get that little tire squeak and
> sudden engine acceleration that's embarrassing as hell.
It only seems to happen when I'm out riding with my friend TJ, and we're
pulling away from a light, having just previously dealt with TJ's
blasting the throttle and assuming this time he'll actually catch up or
even pass me. I generally lay off the throttle after he's a speck in
the rearview - don't want to make him feel too bad....
(ok, 95" TC wide glide Vs 80" Evo. Not fair, but he never learns...)
Ryder Rick
<burp>
It could be with or without...
RickB <that's why they make those fingerless gloves, ain't it?>
Old Crow
wrote:
>
>Old Crow wrote:
>
>> I've no experience with a hand shift setup, but *might* take a stab at
>> it on 3 wheels(although the 45 trike I rode for 3 blocks about 29
>> years ago scared the shit out of me).
>
>Piece of cake. The UglyTrike sports a suicide clutch and a left hand
>throttle with hand-shifting through a gate on the right hand of the tank.
>
I wasn't worried about the shifting. It was the way the inside tire
lifted the first time I came to a corner. I wasn't *even* ready for
that! Turned the damn thing around, and took it back to the guy that
owned it.
Of course, now, I'd kinda know what to expect, so it'd not be such a
big surprise.
>Freaks some MC-folks out when you take off from a red-light while having
>your right pinkie buried up your nose. The whole deal is "cognitive
>dissonance" at its best.
>
I've always liked your sense of humour.<g>
>Could be worse.
>
I suppose...
Lee Petersen
Why do you think yuppies wear fingerless gloves?
LP