Dirt fell into my cylinder!
Charles S
I use the small cans of air that are used to clean cameras, electronics ect. to blow away dirt from
around the plug. They have the little red straw thing that helps to reach the plug.
CLEARNet
I pulled the spark plug out of my Husaberg FE400 this weekend.
Unfortunately, there was a lot of filthy crusty dirt packed around the plug
(the fit is VERY tight and there is no place for the dirt to escape or to
clean out the dirt that gets in there). Anyhow, a little bit of dirt fell
into the cylinder. Do I need to pull the head off and clean it out? Is
there any hope of this blowing out the exhaust? Any tips for preventing
this in the future?
I know this post sounds lame but I'll take my lumps...
thanks,
Bob
ROB HUNTER
Take the pipe off and turn the motor over carefully until the exhaust
valves are fully open. Remove the sparkplug and blow compressed air down
the plughole, this should get most off it out. Put everything back and
just ride the bike. To stop this happening in future wash the bike first
and dry off using compressed air ( or by running the engine).
Rob H
Cam Mitchell
"CLEARNet" <bkm...@clear.co.nz> wrote:
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Same thing has happened to me before. The spark plug is kinda sunken
into the head, so dirt builds up around the plug. When you pull the
plug, I'm sure almost always a little dirt will fall in unless you
were to power wash the top of the cylinder (or use an air compressor)
to blast any dirt out of the way beforehand. I didn't think much of
it, I've done it a bunch of times and it hasn't seemed to hurt
anything.
Does anyone think it's worth worrying about? (ie pull the tank and
shoot some o2 in there before ya pull the plug?)
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Jere Riberdy
I wouldn't risk it, its not a big deal to take out the gas tank and then
take off the cylinder head. You don't want that dirt in there, it will act
like an abraisive.
You should be able t get it all out with the head off, its probably sitting
in a little pile on top of the piston.
--
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Electrical Engineering
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Rob Shafer
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>"CLEARNet" <bkm...@clear.co.nz> wrote:
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>
>Same thing has happened to me before. The spark plug is kinda sunken
>into the head, so dirt builds up around the plug....
My FC600 has the same problem. The dirt and mud pack down between the
recess and the plug. I crack the spark plug loose a couple of turns,
which loosens the packed in dirt, and then blow out the junk with
compressed air. Luckily plug fowling is not an issue with the Berg so I
can put the new plug in at the beginning of the season under the
controlled conditions of the not "so well lit moto garage" and forget
about it! :-)
Rob
Scott
The XR400 has the same sort of plug arrangement. Before I even think of removing the
plug (under normal conditions), I take the plug wire off of course, then I slip a
piece of plastic flex tube over the entire plug. Next I attach my industrial strength
vacuum to the other end of the tube. I move the tube all around and up and down (hmmm
sounds familiar) to get all the nasties out.
S
Cam Mitchell wrote:
> "CLEARNet" <bkm...@clear.co.nz> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Same thing has happened to me before. The spark plug is kinda sunken
Kenneth Murphy
: Same thing has happened to me before. The spark plug is kinda sunken
: into the head, so dirt builds up around the plug. When you pull the
: plug, I'm sure almost always a little dirt will fall in unless you
I'm not gonna comment on the dirt-in-the-cylinder thing, I think everyone
probably has a different tolerance for this kind of stuff, and its your's
to find. Anyway, I thought I'd offer a little assistance for how to keep
it from happening again. My 92KTM250EXC, had a little rubber skirt around
the plug that would keep the dirt from caking up in the groove around the
SP hole. You might want to consider a quick trip to the KTM dealer. It's
a small rubber skirt, and it's a KTM, so I couldn't imagine it being more
than $28, but it might be worth it. ;)
: cmit...@uniserve.com / http://users.uniserve.com/~cmitchel
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> > Does anyone think it's worth worrying about? (ie pull the tank and
> > shoot some o2 in there before ya pull the plug?)
> >
> > Team Cheesy Poof
yaaa, I want cheesey poofs!
Did you ever get those shirts made? I wouldn't mind having one. Those
Bastards!
Stan Team Hinckey
Alevelrdr
I have had this problem everytime I whiskered a plug on my old WXC 350 husky.
I made a little shop vac attachment out of a piece of clear vinyl tubing that
would just fit through the spark plug hole. I would turn the motor over until
the intake valves were open and suck away with my super little motor sweeper.
I was alwayse worried that I would suck enough air fuel mixture into the vacume
to get a spectacular reaction (Like an explosion) but it never happened in
probably three or four attempts.
Harvey "Who keeps hiding my car keys" Muschmann
96 WR 250
92 KDX
83 KZ305
80 CB750K
RANDYMOTO
I would kick the engine over without the spark plug in it. This should blow
the dirt out the spark plug hole. I don't think it is worth it to take the
top end off to get rid of the small amount of dirt that may be left. I have
tried using high pressure water.
Randymoto
97XR400
Victor Johnson
CLEARNet (bkm...@clear.co.nz) moans:
: I pulled the spark plug out of my Husaberg FE400 this weekend.
: Unfortunately, there was a lot of filthy crusty dirt packed around the plug
: (the fit is VERY tight and there is no place for the dirt to escape or to
: clean out the dirt that gets in there). Anyhow, a little bit of dirt fell
: into the cylinder. Do I need to pull the head off and clean it out? Is
: there any hope of this blowing out the exhaust? Any tips for preventing
: this in the future?
This has always been a PITA and hazard on the dirt machines I've owned.
When I have the luxury of a garage environment at home, I always use
the compressor to get the spooge out of there before pulling the plug (one
good blast before loosening the plug and then another good blast after
loosening the plug and giving it a few turns).
When washing the bike, I try to remember to pull the plug cap and give
the plug recess a couple of good blasts with the hose.
When changing plugs on the trail (a rare task with a 4-banger :-), I use
lung power in place of the compressor and lay the bike on its side in
to keep crud from falling down into the cylinder ...
Good ridin' to ya,
Victor Johnson
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Kenneth Murphy
Stan Schweitzer (schw...@xxx.xxxxxx.com) wrote:
: Did you ever get those shirts made? I wouldn't mind having one. Those
: Bastards!
Are you talking about the iron-ons? Yea, I made them. I can either
send you the "artwork" or an iron-on, but you gotta send me an address.
I can't very well send it to St...@xxx.xxx.com ;)
: Stan Team Hinckey
"If Dolphins are so damn smart, why are they always getting caught in
those nets?"
LAWHOSER2
>Any tips for preventing
>: this in the future?
The magic WD40 works for me....kinda nice on the new kx that they raised the
area around the plug...so its easy to keep clean prior to a change....real
sweet compared to the '88...
As for the '88 ....definately gotta spray around it real good and wipe
carefully .....
Steve "JOKER"
' 88 & ' 98 KX250 !!!!
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Mi...@worldnet.att.net
I would call a local shop before starting the bike. I used to have this
problem on a yamaha xt350, heres what I did. I would attach a drinking
straw to a powerfull vaccum cleaner with duct tape so that all suction must
go through the straw. This creates an enormous amount of suction through
the straw which can easily be worked around the spark plug. However, it
places quite a bit of stress on the vaccum. Good luck
acss...@acs.eku.edu
In article <350EAE...@co.intel.com>, Patrick Riley <ri...@co.intel.com> writes:
> CLEARNet wrote:
>>
>> I pulled the spark plug out of my Husaberg FE400 this weekend.
>> Unfortunately, there was a lot of filthy crusty dirt packed around the plug
>> (the fit is VERY tight and there is no place for the dirt to escape or to
>> clean out the dirt that gets in there). Anyhow, a little bit of dirt fell
>> into the cylinder. Do I need to pull the head off and clean it out? Is
>> this in the future?
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>
> To prevent this from happenning I carry a straw or a piece of rubber
> tubing (extra gas line) in my tool kit. Before removing a plug I *blow*
> through the tubing to remove any crud from around the plug. Compressed
> air would work better but I don't have access to any at the track.
Why not? You can buy a small can of compressed air (looks like a can of
freon) and a noxxle you pur on it fairly cheaply at electronics stores.
Fits easily in any tool box and has more than enough power for hundreds
of sparkplug cleaning blasts.
dsc - acss...@acs.eku.edu
Patrick Riley
CLEARNet wrote:
>
> I pulled the spark plug out of my Husaberg FE400 this weekend.
> Unfortunately, there was a lot of filthy crusty dirt packed around the plug
> (the fit is VERY tight and there is no place for the dirt to escape or to
> clean out the dirt that gets in there). Anyhow, a little bit of dirt fell
> into the cylinder. Do I need to pull the head off and clean it out? Is
> there any hope of this blowing out the exhaust? Any tips for preventing
> this in the future?
>
> I know this post sounds lame but I'll take my lumps...
>
> thanks,
>
> Bob
I would remove the head and cylinder and clean the dirt out.
To prevent this from happenning I carry a straw or a piece of rubber
tubing (extra gas line) in my tool kit. Before removing a plug I *blow*
through the tubing to remove any crud from around the plug. Compressed
air would work better but I don't have access to any at the track.
Blowing through a tube works failry good. Of course, before doing this
I carfully wipe all dirt off of anything that is *above* the plug (ie:
gas tnak, plug wire, hoses, frame, etc.).
Pat Riley
DirtCrashr
>> air would work better but I don't have access to any at the track.
>
>freon) and a noxxle you pur on it fairly cheaply at electronics stores.
>Fits easily in any tool box and has more than enough power for hundreds
>of sparkplug cleaning blasts.
>
>dsc - acss...@acs.eku.edu
You can pick up a four or six pack at Costco or Price Club or whatever. If it's
a hot day, shake it up and get a blast of chilly white stuff-coating wherever
you point the tube...
DirtCrashr - '97xr400
Patrick Riley
I agree that compressed air works very well. My problem is that I can't
always remember to go out to replenish my supply. I can't always
remember to put air in my portable air tank either. I hate it when I
need some air from my tank... and then I find it empty. That is why I
now bring an old fashioned bicycle pump to air up tires... it never
seems to run out of air. That is also why I keep a piece of fuel line
in my tool box... I can blow through it to clear dirt away from the
spark plug... I never seem to run out of air...
... which reminds me - I've talked too long already :-)
Pat Riley
TMaxel
In article <351049...@co.intel.com>, Patrick Riley <ri...@co.intel.com>
writes:
>x... I can blow through it to clear dirt away from the
>spark plug... I never seem to run out of air...
>... which reminds me - I've talked too long already :-)
>
>
Oh my gosh! Now Pat Riley is loosing it!!! Folks, something IS wrong with
RMD! <LOL>
TMaxel
RM 250, #53, Me
RM 80, #44, Tommy
KX 60 & LEM CR3 Works, #35, Tyler
Direct EMail -> MAXEL%MTC...@Navistar.com
Shawn
Jere Riberdy wrote:
: I wouldn't risk it, its not a big deal to take out the gas tank and then
: take off the cylinder head. You don't want that dirt in there, it will act
: like an abraisive.
: You should be able t get it all out with the head off, its probably sitting
: in a little pile on top of the piston.
Assuming that none got past the piston through the transfer ports &
into the crankcase.
AALPHAMINE
>
>Assuming that none got past the piston through the transfer ports &
>into the crankcase.
>
>
assuming that would be like betting the dropped sparkplug won't land on the
electrode end....life sucks.Rick
ROB HUNTER
First Husaberg I've seen with transfer ports !
Jamie McIntyre
I did this when I was younger (and thought four strokes were cool, now I am
old enough that they finally are!)
take a pipe cleaner and grease it up - pull out the plug and stick inside
to wipe down the inside of the cylinder - not too much grease!, just enough
to make it sticky - and don't kick the bike over!
RANDYMOTO <RAND...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<6ek27c$37e4$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
> I would kick the engine over without the spark plug in it. This should
blow
> the dirt out the spark plug hole. I don't think it is worth it to take
the
> top end off to get rid of the small amount of dirt that may be left. I
have
> tried using high pressure water.
>
> Randymoto
> 97XR400
>
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