well California this is bold Bill 1346

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john

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Oct 13, 2021, 10:17:31 AM10/13/21
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3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....

while politicians publicly state this is for lawn care stuff, the law is
written so it can regulate dirt bikes ATV/UTV as well.... <sigh>

john


Assembly Bill No. 1346
CHAPTER 753

An act to add Section 43018.11 to the Health and Safety Code, relating
to air pollution.

[ Approved by Governor October 09, 2021. Filed with Secretary of State
October 09, 2021. ]

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

AB 1346, Berman. Air pollution: small off-road engines.
Existing law imposes various limitations on the emissions of air
contaminants for the control of air pollution from vehicular and
nonvehicular sources. Existing law assigns the responsibility for
controlling vehicular sources of air pollution to the State Air
Resources Board.
This bill would require the state board, by July 1, 2022, consistent
with federal law, to adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible
regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from
new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. The bill
would require the state board to identify and, to the extent feasible,
make available funding for commercial rebates or similar incentive
funding as part of any updates to existing applicable funding program
guidelines to local air pollution control districts and air quality
management districts to implement to support the transition to
zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.
DIGEST KEY
Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local
Program: no
BILL TEXT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. (a) The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:
(1) Small off-road engines (SORE), which are used primarily in lawn and
garden equipment, emit high levels of air pollutants, including oxides
of nitrogen (NOx), reactive organic gases (ROG), and particulate matter
(PM). NOx and ROG together contribute to formation of ozone, a criteria
pollutant with a national ambient air quality standard set by the United
States Environmental Protection Agency (U.S. EPA) and a California
ambient air quality standard and that has adverse impacts on health.
Currently, California exceeds U.S. EPA and state standards for ozone in
many areas, including the South Coast Air Basin, the San Francisco Bay
area, and the County of Sacramento. NOx also contributes to formation of
PM, which, along with directly emitted PM, has direct negative health
impacts. PM also has an air quality standard set by the U.S. EPA and the
state. Many areas in California also currently fail to meet PM
standards, including the South Coast Air Basin and the San Joaquin
Valley Air Basin.
(2) In 2020, California daily NOx and ROG emissions from SORE were
higher than emissions from light-duty passenger cars. SORE emitted an
average of 16.8 tons per day of NOx and 125 tons per day of ROG. Without
further regulatory action, those emission levels are expected to
increase with increasing numbers of SORE in California. Regulations of
emissions from SORE have not been as stringent as regulations of other
engines, and one hour of operation of a commercial leaf blower can emit
as much ROG plus NOx as driving 1,100 miles in a new passenger vehicle.
(3) Currently, there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment
regulated by the State Air Resources Board. The battery technology
required for commercial-grade zero-emission equipment is available and
many users, both commercial and residential, have already begun to
transition to zero-emission equipment.
(4) The Governor’s Executive Order No. N-79-20 of September 23, 2020,
directs the state board to implement strategies to achieve 100 percent
zero emissions from off-road equipment in California by 2035, where
feasible and cost-effective. The state will not achieve that goal
without further regulation of SORE, including a mandate to transition
all sales of new equipment to zero-emission equipment.
(b) It is the intent of the Legislature to encourage the state board to
act expeditiously to protect public health from the harmful effects of
emissions of small off-road engines.
SEC. 2. Section 43018.11 is added to the Health and Safety Code, to read:
43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent
with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible
regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from
new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those
regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024,
or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
(2) In determining technological feasibility pursuant to paragraph (1),
the state board shall consider all of the following:
(A) Emissions from small off-road engines in the state.
(B) Expected timelines for zero-emission small off-road equipment
development.
(C) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements
for more zero-emission small off-road equipment.
(D) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users.
(E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency
response equipment.
(b) Consistent with the regulations adopted pursuant to this section and
relevant state law, the state board shall identify, and, to the extent
feasible, make available, funding for commercial rebates or similar
incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding
program guidelines for districts to implement to support the transition
to zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.

Michael Sturdevant

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Oct 13, 2021, 11:57:48 AM10/13/21
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john reports:

> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....

The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will be one of the happiest days of my life.
Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc. I'd like a decel (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
change with wheel speed. Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more until a control command (pick up
the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake now. It's the perfect application with current
batteries too. A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final 6-7. Total 20 minutes max.

And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
hours. I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
speed. I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop at lunch.

Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

Volker Bartheld

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Oct 13, 2021, 12:02:17 PM10/13/21
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
> john reports:
>> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will
> be one of the happiest days of my life.
> [snip technical details I didn't understand]

https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html
https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html

Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
Volker

The Real Bev

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Oct 13, 2021, 1:16:12 PM10/13/21
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On 10/13/2021 08:57 AM, Michael Sturdevant wrote:
> john reports:
>
>> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
>
> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will be one of the happiest days of my life.
> Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc. I'd like a decel (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
> change with wheel speed. Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more until a control command (pick up
> the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake now. It's the perfect application with current
> batteries too. A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final 6-7. Total 20 minutes max.

Kalifornia already has tiered off-road licensure for dirtbikes. Can't
remember the details, but they limit 2-strokes in some way at two
different levels.

What most bothers me about electrics is that you can't do the equivalent
of walking to a gas station to buy a gallon or begging a gallon from a
passing stranger or guy parked at the boat landing. What DO you do if
you inadvertently run out of battery in the backwoods or deserted road
or even busy highway? Pull out your trusty solar array and eat lunch
while you wait? What if it's dark?

> And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
> hours. I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
> speed. I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop at lunch.

Make sure you stop at the Primm outlets. You can't afford NOT to!
Daughter assures me that the Levi's prices are good, although the
busload of Taiwanese summer students seemed to be stocking up on Michael
Kors and Coach.

https://www.primmnevada.net/primm-outlets.php

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Cheers, Bev
Warning -- Driver carries less than $20 worth of ammunition

The Real Bev

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Oct 13, 2021, 1:20:51 PM10/13/21
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They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.
I'm sure that was just an oversight...

john

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Oct 13, 2021, 2:11:46 PM10/13/21
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On 10/13/2021 1:16 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 08:57 AM, Michael Sturdevant wrote:
>> john reports:
>>
>>> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE
>>> equipment.....
>>
>> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app
>> will be one of the happiest days of my life.
>> Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc.  I'd like a decel
>> (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
>> change with wheel speed.  Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more
>> until a control command (pick up
>> the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake
>> now. It's the perfect application with current
>> batteries too.  A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final
>> 6-7. Total 20 minutes max.
>
> Kalifornia already has tiered off-road licensure for dirtbikes.  Can't
> remember the details, but they limit 2-strokes in some way at two
> different levels.
>
> What most bothers me about electrics is that you can't do the equivalent
> of walking to a gas station to buy a gallon or begging a gallon from a
> passing stranger or guy parked at the boat landing.  What DO you do if
> you inadvertently run out of battery in the backwoods or deserted road
> or even busy highway?  Pull out your trusty solar array and eat lunch
> while you wait?  What if it's dark?

until they adopt quick swap battery packs like cordless drills this will
greatly limit practically.

>
>> And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride
>> freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
>> hours.  I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close
>> already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
>> speed.  I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop
>> at lunch.

i'd love a dual sport electric bike with 150-250 mile range at a
reasonable cost. that way i could go out for an hour or so then come
back without need of recharge.


>
> Make sure you stop at the Primm outlets.  You can't afford NOT to!
> Daughter assures me that the Levi's prices are good, although the
> busload of Taiwanese summer students seemed to be stocking up on Michael
> Kors and Coach.
>
> https://www.primmnevada.net/primm-outlets.php
>


Barstow to Vegas would be fun, although i'd rather not revisit Ft.
Irwin... spent some time there in the 90's some memories good, some not
so good..
john

Volker Bartheld

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Oct 14, 2021, 4:17:31 AM10/14/21
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:20:49 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 09:02 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
>>> john reports:
>>>> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
>>> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will
>>> be one of the happiest days of my life.
>>> [snip technical details I didn't understand]
>> https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html
>> https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html
>> Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
> They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.

According to my tests, the battery will be good for probably 15-20
minutes of MX and 30-40 minutes of casual enduro riding.

> I'm sure that was just an oversight...

As much of an oversight as the running time/distance in gas powered
vehicles. Or is anyone seriously believing the values derived from the
NEFZ directive 70/220/EWG? E. g. that the Mercedes E 300 de is supposed
to have a mileage of 1.6L/100km (14.7MPG)? NB: We're talking about this
pile of metal:

http://die-autotester.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020_E-Klasse_PHEV_T-Modell_100km_Test_IMG_0894.jpg

My anachronistic KTM has a capacity of ~9 liters and it consumes
anything between 4 and 15 liters per hour or per 100km, whatever you
choose.

I think those electric KTMs are good for what they are, it's as good as
it can get with modern Lithium technology and it's probably more than
would be necessary for the type of MX and enduro riding I do. Point is
that I don't need another motorcycle and the quite hefty price point of
the Freeride E. Electric mobility does not suit people who want to keep
going for an entire day with only miniscule refuel stops. And it never
will be. The chemical energy liberated by burning $STUFF can't be
beaten. Unless you prefer a nuclear drive in your scoot.

Volker

The Real Bev

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Oct 15, 2021, 1:17:05 AM10/15/21
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On 10/14/2021 01:17 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:20:49 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/13/2021 09:02 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
>>>> john reports:
>>>>> 3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
>>>> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will
>>>> be one of the happiest days of my life.
>>>> [snip technical details I didn't understand]
>>> https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html
>>> https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html
>>> Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
>> They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.
>
> According to my tests, the battery will be good for probably 15-20
> minutes of MX and 30-40 minutes of casual enduro riding.

That's all right, then. I thought it might be something ridiculous...

>> I'm sure that was just an oversight...
>
> As much of an oversight as the running time/distance in gas powered
> vehicles. Or is anyone seriously believing the values derived from the
> NEFZ directive 70/220/EWG? E. g. that the Mercedes E 300 de is supposed
> to have a mileage of 1.6L/100km (14.7MPG)? NB: We're talking about this
> pile of metal:
>
> http://die-autotester.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020_E-Klasse_PHEV_T-Modell_100km_Test_IMG_0894.jpg

I remember when all cars looked DIFFERENT. This one doesn't.

> My anachronistic KTM has a capacity of ~9 liters and it consumes
> anything between 4 and 15 liters per hour or per 100km, whatever you
> choose.
>
> I think those electric KTMs are good for what they are, it's as good as
> it can get with modern Lithium technology and it's probably more than
> would be necessary for the type of MX and enduro riding I do. Point is
> that I don't need another motorcycle and the quite hefty price point of
> the Freeride E. Electric mobility does not suit people who want to keep
> going for an entire day with only miniscule refuel stops. And it never
> will be. The chemical energy liberated by burning $STUFF can't be
> beaten. Unless you prefer a nuclear drive in your scoot.

Hubby rode a 65cc Honda back and forth to work 1966-1977-- maybe 1/4
mile away. Hot plugs to keep from fouling. He may have only filled the
tank once or twice...


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Cheers, Bev
A man's got to know his limitations.
It's a woman's duty to make sure of this.
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