Camelbak reservoir
Mike W.
I just bought a new 100oz reservoir for my Camelbak.. one of the new kind
with a larger input port to make cleaning and drying easier. Inside there
is a circular piece of plastic-foam sheeting. I'm not sure what it's
purpose is... it is free floating... movies around inside. Anyone know
about this? Did I break something off or maybe should I remove it? Thanks.
Mike
--
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bowman
> Inside there
> is a circular piece of plastic-foam sheeting. I'm not sure what it's
> purpose is... it is free floating... movies around inside. Anyone know
> about this? Did I break something off or maybe should I remove it? Thanks.
Throw it away. It's to prevent damage during factory storage and shipping.
I'm waiting for the 200 oz model; I've sucked the 100 oz one dry more than
once this summer. To hell with the HAWG. I want a genuine two humped camel.
Charles Stembridge
<Outo...@emailbiz.com> wrote:
> I just bought a new 100oz reservoir for my Camelbak.. one of the new kind
> with a larger input port to make cleaning and drying easier. Inside there
> is a circular piece of plastic-foam sheeting. I'm not sure what it's
> purpose is... it is free floating... movies around inside. Anyone know
> about this? Did I break something off or maybe should I remove it? Thanks.
>
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You actually spent money on a company that is anathema to
the true dirt biker.
I really like my Hawg. It's got the big opening, perfect for stuffing full
of ice cubes, but I've never seen the plastic-foam stuff--could it be
packing of some kind, to keep the reservoir dry until first use?
--
Charles
'99 YZF600R
'99 YZ250
Eric B
I thought we were boycotting Camelbacks? Are they OK to use now? I wish I
would have known, I just bought one of the new Coleman Hydration packs, it
was as nice as the Camel, but only cost half as much. Man, bummer, I could
have got the same thing for twice the money!
Eric
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'99 CR80 (11yr old daughter), '96 RM80 (14yr old son), 2000 DS80 (visiting
kids).
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Andy Mullins
lacks in the storage area. It has enough room to hold some keys so its fine
with me.
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bowman
> I wish I
> would have known, I just bought one of the new Coleman Hydration packs, it
> was as nice as the Camel, but only cost half as much.
That's what I get for shopping at REI. What can I say? They are only a block
away from where I work, and I'd have to cross the highway from hell to get
to the Sportsman's Warehouse. Besides, the Hawgs were on sale, and I had
the dividend burning a hole in my pocket.
Yeah, I know, REI, bad, bad. But I have been known to actually WALK in the
woods. On purpose, too!
Wudscrasher
>> was as nice as the Camel, but only cost half as much.
>That's what I get for shopping at REI.
I hear ya. I bought a "Generic" camelback at Wal-Mart with the 4
pockets...it's a small backpack, really, for about $40. A month later, I saw
my hippie friend with the EXACT same pack, but a Camelback brand. He paid $95
for his at REI. Why is it hippies dress like paupers, but have more money than
me? BTW, REI stands for "Real Expensive Inventory".
--Chris M
bowman
>
> I hear ya. I bought a "Generic" camelback at Wal-Mart with the 4
> pockets...it's a small backpack, really, for about $40. A month later, I
> saw my hippie friend with the EXACT same pack, but a Camelback brand.
I don't know about the exact part of it. Ever read those labels like "Equate
Mdeicated Body Powder is not manufactured or distributed by Martin Himmel
Inc., distributor of Gold Bond Medicated Body Powder" [though we certainly
will make sure the packaging is similar enough that you'll think it's the
same shit]
I would say it would be very hard to screw up an enema bag in a backpack,
but Walmart may find a way. I bought a pair of joggers that look like every
other damn sneaker in the world but are the most uncomfortable thing I've
ever put on my feet, including GI dress shoes that were half a size too
small.
Not that REI is any prize, but I walk by it every lunch hour. If you watch
the sales you can get reasonable buys on some things. Plus, after you've
dropped it off a cliff a couple of times, and the dog has puked on it,
they'll give you a new one if you bring it back. Wally's sometimes gets
testy if the merchandise looks like it was rode hard and put up wet.
Mike W.
>
>Throw it away. It's to prevent damage during factory storage and shipping.
>I'm waiting for the 200 oz model; I've sucked the 100 oz one dry more than
>once this summer. To hell with the HAWG. I want a genuine two humped camel.
Thanks... I thought maybe I busted it. Maybe you can squeeze both
bladders, or a 100 and a 50 into the HAWG? I think mine's a MULE but same
thing more or less.
MW
Mike W.
Stembridge) wrote:
>
>Tsk, tsk, tsk. You actually spent money on a company that is anathema to
>the true dirt biker.
Combined with the next reply Charles...
Mike W.
>I thought we were boycotting Camelbacks? Are they OK to use now? I wish I
>would have known, I just bought one of the new Coleman Hydration packs, it
>was as nice as the Camel, but only cost half as much. Man, bummer, I could
>have got the same thing for twice the money!
>
>
>Eric
Correct... we *were*. One of their VP's (marketing) has the same
brain-chem imbalance as that eco-dork that's been smelling up the place
for a few days. He went out and spent some company money on a group that
is heavily anti-access. So we all cut our tags off... mailed them in.. and
told the company that UNTIL THEY START SUPPORTING OUR SPORT (ADVERTISING),
WE WERE BOYCOTTING THEM.
Their president (and I feel I have some understanding of what he worries
about when he shows up at work everyday) contacted us and said Camelbak
was about selling hydration systems and was not aligned with any ideology.
So... THEY HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE DEMANDED. They advertise in the
mags.. you go to their web site and you see dirtbikes... they are a
beautiful thing... they just want to make money.
I've raised this point, I believe, 4 times in the past and everyone's
willing to let the point die. NEVER a reply. We're willing to get into a
bar fight but not do the honorable and dignified thing and begin to
support them again with the same energy we flew up their ass. To repeat,
they did *precisely* what we demanded. It's up to US to SUPPORT THEM
AGAIN. A job's not done til it's done right. It's done when the "ban
Camelbak" shit is over.
REI is a separate matter. They financially support those who support the
extinction of our sport. Never spend a dollar at REI and give them the
word of mouth they deserve.
MW
IdaSpode
wrote:
>REI is a separate matter. They financially support those who support the
>extinction of our sport. Never spend a dollar at REI and give them the
>word of mouth they deserve.
No, you buy it at REI, use and abuse it, then take it back a few
times. Their customer service is great, I always try to make sure they
lose money on my purchases.
Boycotting is the easy way out, actively try to affect their bottom
line. <G>
>MW
DJ
scrape at mindspring dot com
wrote:
But they don't lose money. They made money on the original purchase
and sent a portion of it along to all the anti-access folks they
normally do. When you return one, they just return it for credit to
whoever they bought it from. They may not make any additional money
to use against you/us, but they didn't lose anything except for a
minute or two of the polite customer service person and he/she was
being paid anyway. There's not even any marginal cost involved.
As to Mike W.'s point about doing the "right thing" - yes, it appears
that Camelbak has done what was asked of them. Perhaps the wrong
thing was asked. It doesn't matter as much to me if Camelbak gives as
much money to Dirt Rider magazine as they do to Sierra Club monthly
when given the option to see what MSR does with the money spent on a
similar product.
Sure, Camelbak is in it for the money. An entirely honorable
situation. MSR (and others) are in it for the money, too. And I know
MSR buys their hydration systems from someone else and rebadges them.
But as far as I can tell, MSR doesn't give a dime to the folks that
fight against us and then just match it to the BRC or whomever.
The right thing to have asked Camelbak - even though it's probably
unreasonable in their eyes - would have been to stop giving any money
at all to the birdwatchers.
I don't fault Camelbak's business decisions. I just don't agree with
them. I just bought a Chevy instead of a Ford (and I've owned nothing
but Fords for 30 years) for many of the same reasons.
W.B.Lyttle
94 Husaberg FE350
02 Yamaha TT-R125L (youngun's)
BRC, ARRA, USA-ALL and like that
bowman
>
> Thanks... I thought maybe I busted it. Maybe you can squeeze both
> bladders, or a 100 and a 50 into the HAWG?
It will hold a couple of 1 liter plastic bottles and other stuff, which
works for me. 100 oz. is fine, until the temps get up towards 100. That's a
self correcting problem anyway. Most of the state is a stage 2 which is
'don't even think about taking that thing off the road'.
Eric B
Wasn't aware that it had been resolved. Well, that's cool. I may have to
look at there stuff again the next time I go shopping for one.
Mike W.
<scr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>As to Mike W.'s point about doing the "right thing" - yes, it appears
>that Camelbak has done what was asked of them. Perhaps the wrong
>thing was asked. It doesn't matter as much to me if Camelbak gives as
>much money to Dirt Rider magazine as they do to Sierra Club monthly
>when given the option to see what MSR does with the money spent on a
>similar product.
>Sure, Camelbak is in it for the money. An entirely honorable
>situation. MSR (and others) are in it for the money, too. And I know
>MSR buys their hydration systems from someone else and rebadges them.
>But as far as I can tell, MSR doesn't give a dime to the folks that
>fight against us and then just match it to the BRC or whomever.
>The right thing to have asked Camelbak - even though it's probably
>unreasonable in their eyes - would have been to stop giving any money
>at all to the birdwatchers.
>I don't fault Camelbak's business decisions. I just don't agree with
>them. I just bought a Chevy instead of a Ford (and I've owned nothing
>but Fords for 30 years) for many of the same reasons.
A few points around this...
1. It is disrespectful, the epitome of dishonor, and a means of branding
oneself as a weak thinker to alter a negotiation point *after* the other
party has done all the pushups to complete it. If we thought something out
badly, and I disagree strenuously that that happened, then that cost
shifts to us. If you set a condition of performance with another party for
you to take an action and they then perform in the way specified, a moral
person follows through. There is, in my own opinion, no room to kick this
around... to say maybe we made a mistake but that they will pay for it.
2. The difference between Ford and Camelbak is vividly clear. Ford
advertises to and collects money from a wide customer base and attempts to
provide the best product they can under their own beliefs about what
"best" means. This is honorable. At that point... Ford.. under the
direction of that born-into-the-job eco-dork that is running the place
GIVES vast sums away to what we would call our sworn enemies. OTOH,
Camelbak has honorably and publicly taken themselves out of the political
mess that Ford has chosen to wade into. They advertise to a wide customer
base and they should... being a-political means they do advertise to
everyone. That's how being an arms dealer or Switzerland works.
3. If you like MSR or their product better, then buy from them. In the
end, MSR's product will be vastly better because some of us will support
Camelbak. Camelbak is the innovator here. They are the ones seeing the
widest range of uses from their product and if they are like any other
industry, their products will always define the state of the art line. MSR
will follow.. No disrespect to MSR either. This is merely how it works
when you have a focused product innovator leading someone with mostly a
me-too approach to product collection. I'll bet at some point, MSR
approached Camelbak to rebrand their products too and some bonehead at MSR
got greedy and/or stupid in the discussions and is costing them more by
diverting MSR business and capital resources away from things where they
could add more value.
Personally, I'm a Camelbak customer for as long as they make an acceptable
product. As one of us who communicated directly with the company's
president about this back when it flared up, I feel a degree of
responsibility to follow through on, and make up for, commitments that
appeared to have been made as a group.
Mike
Charles Stembridge
<Outo...@emailbiz.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:54:23 -0700, Eric B <ewb...@quik.com> wrote:
>
> >I thought we were boycotting Camelbacks?
snip
> Correct... we *were*. One of their VP's (marketing) has the same
> brain-chem imbalance as that eco-dork that's been smelling up the place
> for a few days. He went out and spent some company money on a group that
> is heavily anti-access. So we all cut our tags off... mailed them in.. and
> told the company that UNTIL THEY START SUPPORTING OUR SPORT (ADVERTISING),
> WE WERE BOYCOTTING THEM.
>
> Their president (and I feel I have some understanding of what he worries
> about when he shows up at work everyday) contacted us and said Camelbak
> was about selling hydration systems and was not aligned with any ideology.
> So... THEY HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE DEMANDED. They advertise in the
> mags.. you go to their web site and you see dirtbikes... they are a
> beautiful thing... they just want to make money.
>
> I've raised this point, I believe, 4 times in the past and everyone's
> willing to let the point die. NEVER a reply. We're willing to get into a
> bar fight but not do the honorable and dignified thing and begin to
> support them again with the same energy we flew up their ass. To repeat,
> they did *precisely* what we demanded. It's up to US to SUPPORT THEM
> AGAIN. A job's not done til it's done right. It's done when the "ban
> Camelbak" shit is over.
I'm impressed. I only gave you a tsk tsk because of the grief I took when
mentioning the Hawg makes a great back protector. I've read/lurked/posted
on rmd for about a year and a half, and never seen any mention of this
Camelback campaign. I'm grateful for your efforts.
scrape at mindspring dot com
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:31:47 -0400, scrape at mindspring dot com
Big point of contention here: It wasn't my letter to Camelbak or my
provisions made to Camelbak as to what it would take to get my
business. It wasn't me who said "if you'll do this, then I'll do
that". You'd have a point if I did. My point all along has been that
I don't give money to anyone who uses it against me. At least
willingly. I still haven't found a way around taxes yet.
What would it take to get me to buy their product? Dedication to the
ORV community. Is this likely to happen? No. I wish them well in
their business endeavors, but I'm not likely to help them along.
>2. The difference between Ford and Camelbak is vividly clear. Ford
>advertises to and collects money from a wide customer base and attempts to
>provide the best product they can under their own beliefs about what
>"best" means. This is honorable. At that point... Ford.. under the
>direction of that born-into-the-job eco-dork that is running the place
>GIVES vast sums away to what we would call our sworn enemies. OTOH,
>Camelbak has honorably and publicly taken themselves out of the political
>mess that Ford has chosen to wade into. They advertise to a wide customer
>base and they should... being a-political means they do advertise to
>everyone. That's how being an arms dealer or Switzerland works.
There's also a difference between advertising in a magazine and
supporting an activity. Camelbak has (according to some) started
buying ads in ORV magazines and put "pictures of dirtbikes on their
Website". To be blunt, BFD. So they've helped Ken Faught out a
little bit and appeased someone with a picture. Do they still give
money to anti-access groups? If you can show/convince me that they
don't do anything other than buying ads in Land Grab Monthly, I'll
change my opinion. You've been far too easily appeased, in my opinion
- or you've painted yourself into a corner. Either way, that's your
own doing and I didn't sign on.
Ford gives money to the birdwatchers and Camelbak gives money to
anti-access groups. Chevy sponsors an MX team and underwrites a
series and, well, we all know what Malcolm Smith does. Do I feel
compelled to buy Camelbak products based on the above? Sorry, no.
I'm not bought off that easily. Would I start shopping at the very
nicely decorated and very nicely staffed REI down the road if they
bought some ads in Dirt Rider? No.
>3. If you like MSR or their product better, then buy from them. In the
>end, MSR's product will be vastly better because some of us will support
>Camelbak. Camelbak is the innovator here. They are the ones seeing the
>widest range of uses from their product and if they are like any other
>industry, their products will always define the state of the art line. MSR
>will follow.. No disrespect to MSR either. This is merely how it works
>when you have a focused product innovator leading someone with mostly a
>me-too approach to product collection. I'll bet at some point, MSR
>approached Camelbak to rebrand their products too and some bonehead at MSR
>got greedy and/or stupid in the discussions and is costing them more by
>diverting MSR business and capital resources away from things where they
>could add more value.
I don't disagree with any of that.
>Personally, I'm a Camelbak customer for as long as they make an acceptable
>product. As one of us who communicated directly with the company's
>president about this back when it flared up, I feel a degree of
>responsibility to follow through on, and make up for, commitments that
>appeared to have been made as a group.
I understand that as well. At some point, you may have to ask
yourself if you've asked the right questions though.
Mike Baxter
I bought one and was satisfied with my purchase. It helped prevent my
back from being more severely injured in 1992 when I broke my neck and
cracked a vertebrae in my back.
Since then there have been lots of people that jumped into the drink
system market. MSR, Thor, Blackburn, Platapus, etc... Tracy has a
drink system purchased from Walmart. The bladder is not as thick as
my current Camelbak bladder, but it holds water. I have replaced the
damaged bite valve with a Camelbak bite valve. The rest of the pack
is on par with my Camelbak Hawg that I have owned for 5 years. I
personally don't let politics rule every purchase I make. I like to
get the most out of each dollar I spend. Camelbak makes a fine
product and if they have the best product for the money, I'll buy it.
Currently, the Walmart purchased drink system would be my replacement,
but would get a Camelbak bladder when the original takes a dump.
Mike Baxter...2000 GG EC300...1997 GG JXT270...Timekeepers MC
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scrape at mindspring dot com
wrote:
>I personally don't let politics rule every purchase I make.
Nor do I. I haven't looked into the politics of the bakery I get my
bread from or Hanes T-shirts or HP scanners or lots of other things.
But when they're closely tied to the industry and make a good deal of
noise about it, I'll pay attention.
If Oscar Meyer suddenly starts advertising that they're giving a large
chunk of money to Earth First!, I'll buy my bologna off a different
shelf.
And it's not politics, it's the fact that they're giving money to
groups that are trying to curtail your and my and everyone else's here
ability to participate in our chosen form of recreation. Although it
tends to line up democrat vs. repulican most of the time, it's not
necessarily a political decision.
john
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:31:47 -0400, scrape at mindspring dot com
if i were to stray far enough from a garden hose to merit a
hydro system it would be a camelbak due to their
response (did you get their latest email it had a dirtbike
on it....) but i just throw a few bottle of h2o on a sack & stop
on the trail for a bit to enjoy the view while i catch my breath
& snack.
john
if i get a water cooled bike i suppose i could stop fro a spot of tea...
IdaSpode
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:38:39 -0600, IdaSpode <not@home_watching.tv>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:59:35 -0400, Mike W. <Outo...@emailbiz.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>REI is a separate matter. They financially support those who support the
>>>extinction of our sport. Never spend a dollar at REI and give them the
>>>word of mouth they deserve.
>>
>>No, you buy it at REI, use and abuse it, then take it back a few
>>times. Their customer service is great, I always try to make sure they
>>lose money on my purchases.
>>
>>Boycotting is the easy way out, actively try to affect their bottom
>>line. <G>
>
>But they don't lose money. They made money on the original purchase
>and sent a portion of it along to all the anti-access folks they
>normally do. When you return one, they just return it for credit to
>whoever they bought it from. They may not make any additional money
>to use against you/us, but they didn't lose anything except for a
>minute or two of the polite customer service person and he/she was
>being paid anyway. There's not even any marginal cost involved.
Without going into details, believe me, they don't make any profit off
of me...
scrape at mindspring dot com
wrote:
>Without going into details, believe me, they don't make any profit off
>of me...
Fair enough.
Klaus
instead of $100 at REI. Although it came with a non-working bite value - I
check Sportmart first now.
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1999 XR200
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wrote:
>I've raised this point, I believe, 4 times in the past and everyone's
>willing to let the point die. NEVER a reply. We're willing to get into a
>bar fight but not do the honorable and dignified thing and begin to
>support them again with the same energy we flew up their ass. To repeat,
>they did *precisely* what we demanded. It's up to US to SUPPORT THEM
>AGAIN. A job's not done til it's done right. It's done when the "ban
>Camelbak" shit is over.
I've returned to supporting Camelbak, but not from local stores, I go
to http://www.eagleindustries.com/MainProd.asp?CatID=21&SubCatID=64 to
get my Camelbak products, and they really are built to a much
higher-standard, using much more durable fabrics than the commercial,
sporting-goods, models - and they cost a bit more because of that...
>REI is a separate matter. They financially support those who support the
>extinction of our sport. Never spend a dollar at REI and give them the
>word of mouth they deserve.
I know exactly where bowman's talkign about, but IMO Sportsman's
Supply is a worthwhile trip since they have all sorts of good ammo and
pocket ordnance - and you gotta love a store that's painted in ugly
beige camouflage.
>MW
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