'95 XR 250 starting woes
Chip Rouse
I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs flawlessly
but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
simply following the manuals directions. I turn the choke full on and
kick it with no throttle. The engine will start but it just pulses
several times and then dies. If I give it even a touch of throtle, it
chokes out. Finally after many tries it will let me give it a little
throtle and it will come to life. Any thoughts on what could be
wrong? I have changed the plugs and have tried fresh gas to no avail.
Are all XRs this cold natured or am I doing something wrong? Thanks
in advance.
Chip
Warren
It sounds like it is LEAN. If this bike is stock, check to see that the
mixture screw ( bottom front of carb) is 2 3/4 to 3 turns out. Turn the
screw in, counting the revolutions until it LIGHTLY seats, then back out 2
3/4 turns. This should help, and a new plug is probably in order, no matter
how fresh you think it is!
--
Warren Kurtz
XR280R
wku...@sky.net
http://www.sky.net/~wkurtz
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FuRTHuR
Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
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> I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
> trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs flawlessly
> but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
> simply following the manuals directions. I turn the choke full on and
> kick it with no throttle. The engine will start but it just pulses
> several times and then dies. If I give it even a touch of throtle, it
> chokes out. Finally after many tries it will let me give it a little
> throtle and it will come to life. Any thoughts on what could be
> wrong? I have changed the plugs and have tried fresh gas to no avail.
> Are all XRs this cold natured or am I doing something wrong? Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Chip
>
>
You've probably tried this, but what about adjusting your Idle screw?
FuRTHuR
fur...@iland.net
http://www.internetland.net/~furthur
'97 KX 125
'94 KX 80
'88 DT 50
Volker Bartheld
Chip,
Chip Rouse wrote:
> [...] I turn the choke full on and
> kick it with no throttle. The engine will start but it just pulses
> several times and then dies. If I give it even a touch of throtle, it
> chokes out. [...]
> Are all XRs this cold natured or am I doing something wrong?
No, no. XRs generally start very easy, when cold, warm or hot. If you
drop the bike, you'll eventually have to 'clean out' the carb with
no choke, full throttle and decompression lever, kicking the engine
over several times or (if nothing else helps) drain the carb.
And surely you are not doing anything wrong. Perhaps you should just
check if the engine breathes any false air, the idle mixture
adjuster is set correctly (1.5 to 2.5 turns out from totally closed
is a good start) and if you have correct idle revs. To get the right
idle mixture, just start the engine, warm it up and adjust the
screw to highest RPM.
I'm also of Warren's opinion, that your idle may be somewhat too lean.
Either from the things above or a wrong idle jet. XRs tend to be setup
too lean. My XR600R came with 62 idle and 125 main, which was far
too lean. Jeremy Hansen (thanks again!) told me to go for a larger
idle jet (I increased to 68 then to 70) and idle is OK now. No more
'flaming out' when whipping open the throttle in neutral, no more
'hiccup' when accelerating from low RPM.
Try to adjust your idle mixture, if you are out of range then change
the jet. Good luck.
Volker
dred...@aol.com
In article <32F46C...@afmp04.mppmu.mpg.de>, Volker Bartheld
<bart...@afmp04.mppmu.mpg.de> writes:
>I'm also of Warren's opinion, that your idle may be somewhat too lean.
>Either from the things above or a wrong idle jet. XRs tend to be setup
>too lean. My XR600R came with 62 idle and 125 main, which was far
>too lean. Jeremy Hansen (thanks again!) told me to go for a larger
>idle jet (I increased to 68 then to 70) and idle is OK now. No more
>'flaming out' when whipping open the throttle in neutral, no more
>'hiccup' when accelerating from low RPM.
>
>Try to adjust your idle mixture, if you are out of range then change
>the jet. Good luck.
>
>
I agree. As a basic rule, XR's are jetted too lean(except for the $%#*&
400!). For the '95 year, the main is probably to lean, and the idle
mixture(pilot screw) adjusted wrong. As to adjustments on the idle
mixture, the advice already given is what I would suggest. With a little
fine-tuning, you'll have a much better running bike.
Dredwolf
John W. Peeler aka Dredwolf
Two Harleys(garage chairs and clothes racks)
1996 KinqQuad (Rain!!??! I'm still going riding!!)
1997 XR400R (I could get hurt doing this..Isn't that great!?!)
keith fenwick
"FuRTHuR" <fur...@iland.net> wrote:
Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
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> I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
> trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs flawlessly
> but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
You've probably tried this, but what about adjusting your Idle screw?
Cleaned the airfilter lately?
I always start mine with a bit of throttle on. Once it fires push the
choke lever down to the intermediate position, you may even try
starting it there.
cheers
keith
Jo Jo
On 2/4/97 3:23AM, in message <5d6od0$d...@news.express.co.nz>, keith fenwick
<s...@iprolink.co.nz> wrote:
Try pulling it with a 2-stroke (your choice) and pop starting it........ Joey
Bruce Arnold
> > Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
> > <5d1863$1...@camel1.mindspring.com>...
> > > I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
> > > trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs
flawlessly
> > > but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
If the problem is just with cold starting, try laying the bike on its side
until gas runs out of the carb overflow. I discovered this by accident.
After kicking my old XR-250 about 50 times, and then pushing it up and down
the driveway about 4 times, I got mad and threw it on the ground. After I
quit acting like a baby, I picked it up and it started 1st kick.
As a fix, rather than a work around, try going up one size on the pilot
jet. And DON'T OPEN THE THROTTLE WHEN STARTING COLD.
--
Bruce Arnold Honda XR-650L 1993
Gruley, AL (Hunstville area) KTM 250-T/XC 1992
br...@hmi.com Honda XR-100 1992
djone...@aol.com
In article <01bc1500$55e22ac0$cbe7...@brucea.hmi.com>, "Bruce Arnold"
<br...@hmi.com> writes:
>> > Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
>> > <5d1863$1...@camel1.mindspring.com>...
>> > > I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
>> > > trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs
>flawlessly
>> > > but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
>
>If the problem is just with cold starting, try laying the bike on its
side
>until gas runs out of the carb overflow. I discovered this by accident.
>After kicking my old XR-250 about 50 times, and then pushing it up and
down
>the driveway about 4 times, I got mad and threw it on the ground. After
I
>quit acting like a baby, I picked it up and it started 1st kick.
>
>
That reminds me: I have a Weedeater that refused to start. After I'd worn
my arm out pulling the stupid rope for a while I got pissed enough to hurl
it across the yard, then I walked over and kicked it once. After I had
cooled off a bit I tried starting it again and it started right up! It has
worked very well ever since!
Now if i could just pick up that Honda! <;^).......
DJones
Bob Fitzgerald
Bruce Arnold <br...@hmi.com> wrote in article
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> > > Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
> > > <5d1863$1...@camel1.mindspring.com>...
> > > > I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having fits
> > > > trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs
> flawlessly
> > > > but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
>
> If the problem is just with cold starting, try laying the bike on its
side
> until gas runs out of the carb overflow. I discovered this by accident.
> After kicking my old XR-250 about 50 times, and then pushing it up and
down
> the driveway about 4 times, I got mad and threw it on the ground. After
I
> quit acting like a baby, I picked it up and it started 1st kick.
I have also seen this problem - I think what is happening is moisture gets
into the
gas and settles at the lowest point, the carb bowl, at the feed to the
jets.
Draining the bowl of 1-2 oz. of gas, using the drain screw also works.
Bob
jeff dunham
Bob Fitzgerald <bf...@capital.net> wrote in article
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>
>
> Bruce Arnold <br...@hmi.com> wrote in article
> <01bc1500$55e22ac0$cbe7...@brucea.hmi.com>...
> > > > Chip Rouse <chip...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
> > > > <5d1863$1...@camel1.mindspring.com>...
> > > > > I recently purchased a slightly used '95 XR250. I am having
fits
> > > > > trying to get it started. Once I get it warmed up, it runs
> > flawlessly
> > > > > but I have to kick it 30 times it seems to get it running. I am
> >
> > If the problem is just with cold starting, try laying the bike on its
> side
> > until gas runs out of the carb overflow. I discovered this by
accident.
> > After kicking my old XR-250 about 50 times, and then pushing it up and
> down
> > the driveway about 4 times, I got mad and threw it on the ground.
After
> I
> > quit acting like a baby, I picked it up and it started 1st kick.
1. I have found that removing the decompression cable coming from
the kickstarter will make it start a little more easily, but will increase
the amount of effort to kick it over. This has a side benefit that you
won't stall the bike by accidentally pushing the kickstarter back
with your right leg when riding (it engages the compression release).
2. Remove the resistor from the spark plug cap and replace it with
something more conductive. I used a hunk of copper wire.
A small flat blade screwdriver can be used to remove the
resistor (look straight up the cap where the plug attaches).
3. If the bike has been sitting a while, I drain the carb completely
using the long blade screwdriver; There is a drain screw on the
bottom of the float bowl.
4. Learn the "cold start" drill. Hold the throttle wide open and
kick the bike over briskly four to five times. This is referred to
as "clearing it out". I turn up the idle slightly for cold starting
as well. Roll the engine over til you feel resistance (this is
near top dead center). Then kick briskly giving it no gas.
If it dies do not give it any gas. On cold mornings it will
run then die a couple of times before it idles.
5. Learn the "start after a fall" drill. "Clear it out " (see
#4 above) and kick it over giving it around 1/8 throttle.
jeff
1995 xr300r
psh...@loop.com
On 10 Feb 1997 02:23:12 GMT, "Bob Fitzgerald" <bf...@capital.net>
wrote:
>
>
>
>I have also seen this problem - I think what is happening is moisture gets
>into the
>gas and settles at the lowest point, the carb bowl, at the feed to the
>jets.
>
>Draining the bowl of 1-2 oz. of gas, using the drain screw also works.
>
>Bob
I would be interested in knowing if this fixes the problem. My 86
XL250 needed to be kicked 30 times in the morning when I took
it out of the garage, and I had a new piston and rings, bored
cylinder, new plug, and just had cleaned and reconditioned the
carbs.
Pat