Steering Dampers - pros and cons?
Dean H
I'm beginning to want a steering damper for the 2001 Gas Gas xc300.
Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I manage to crack off some pretty high speeds in some fairly snotty
stuff on that bike, and I've caught some pretty serious deflections here
and there when a particular object didn't get loaded into my boulder
buffer. I'm looking ahead, like you're supposed to; not at my front
wheel.
So, I guess it's Scotts or W.E.R.?
Any advice about relative cost, performance, mounting systems, etc.?
What about setting the adjustment? It's my (very limited) experience
that it can pump up your arms if it's too tight. Thoughts?
Any reasons besides cost, weight & complexity that I might steer clear
of a steering damper?
TIA
dean
Chris Buckley
people like the Scotts damper because they can adjust them while riding,
personally when I ride, I ride, not fiddle with a damper. I also know 2
guys that did a Seth to their faces, landing poorly off of a jump and
ripping their chins open on their Scotts dampers. Where I like my damper
the most is on rocky downhills, the damper takes allot of the
"twitchiness" out of the bike and can make riding less fatiguing. The
WER damper also costs much less than the Scotts Damper, WER should be
able to provide you with a simple bolt-on mounting kit for your bike as
well.
Chris
vlj
<snip>
> So, I guess it's Scotts or W.E.R.?
I'm biased towards the Scotts given its on-the-fly adjustability ... I tweak
the knob frequently to match the conditions I'm riding in.
> Any advice about relative cost, performance, mounting systems, etc.?
I went with the weld-on vs. the screw into the oil filler mount on my XR
since it was touted as being "stronger" ...
> What about setting the adjustment? It's my (very limited) experience
> that it can pump up your arms if it's too tight. Thoughts?
I don't find arm pump related to my damper settings, but thats just me. In
really nasty rock sections I still get pump and hand numbness but that may
be more related to psych than physics. :-) What I do find with the damper
is that I can ride most everything with a more relaxed grip/position on the
bike and it makes a big difference on fatique setting in.
> Any reasons besides cost, weight & complexity that I might steer clear
> of a steering damper?
Not that I can think of. Now that I've gotten used to what the damper is
doing for me, I find it hard to ride without one (I haven't coughed up for
the mount hardware on my CRF so I can swap between it and my XR). Just get
one and ride ... you'll be glad you did.
Good ridin' to ya,
VLJ
--
Blow up your TV,
Throw away your papers,
Move to the country,
And buy yourself a home.
Get a few dirtbikes,
Do a bit of wrenching,
Find new single-track,
On your own ...
dsc
"Dean H" <dfh...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3D2C3CEB...@optonline.net...
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm beginning to want a steering damper for the 2001 Gas Gas xc300.
> Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that.
>
> I manage to crack off some pretty high speeds in some fairly snotty
> stuff on that bike, and I've caught some pretty serious deflections here
> and there when a particular object didn't get loaded into my boulder
> buffer. I'm looking ahead, like you're supposed to; not at my front
> wheel.
>
> So, I guess it's Scotts or W.E.R.?
Scott's... or the one like Scott's (GPR I think).
>
> Any advice about relative cost, performance, mounting systems, etc.?
Scott's and GPR mount cleanly and can be taken from bike to bike to bike by
removing a few screws.
>
> What about setting the adjustment? It's my (very limited) experience
> that it can pump up your arms if it's too tight. Thoughts?
The Scott's is almost infinitely adjustable... set it how you like it. I
want mine heavy/slow enough than I can feel it working. In my opinion it
reduces arm pump because I don't have to have a death grip all the time.
Interesting note on the Scott's... The big adjust on the fly know is for
slow speed hits. The slow speed circuit is inversly connected to the high
speed circuit... so the more slow speed you dial in, the less high speed you
have and vice versa.
>
> Any reasons besides cost, weight & complexity that I might steer clear
> of a steering damper?
There are lots of good reasons to buy a stabilizer. There aren't many not
too.
But once you get used to it... you will probably never enjoy riding a naked
bike again... this includes when/if it stops working during a ride/race.
dsc
Sean Goulart
EMARPLE
>Good ridin' to ya,
>VLJ
>--
>Blow up your TV,
>Throw away your papers,
>Move to the country,
>And buy yourself a home.
>Get a few dirtbikes,
>Do a bit of wrenching,
>Find new single-track,
>On your own ...
LOL! John Prine would be proud :)
Everett
'00 CR 250 (Tree Finder...the next generation)
'74 BMW R90/6...(gentleman's express)
'75 Kawasaki 400 S3 two-stroke triple
Simmonsmc
with the GPR for the service alone, thier just like the scotts.
Mike Simmons
99 KTM 300 MXC
AMA/ Dist.36
Hayward Honda/Suzuki/Sea-Doo 510-886-0644
D-H Cycles KTM/Suzuki/Cannondale Modesto
Motowerx livermore Ca
http://www.ktm-parts.com
Jay C
Dave Sparkman
but better than no damper.
For people that want a Scotts or GPR but are worried about the mounting
position busting their nose I have a machine shop friend that is making a very
sweet aluminum plate setup that mounts the damper in the WER location. I don't
know what he is charging but it is a very nice looking setup on the several
bikes I've seen it mounted on.
-Dave-
YZ 125
WR 200
TSCEC # 432
RMEC # 3030
Dave Sparkman
Wow, no kidding, that is a deluxe looking unit. Kinda pricey but very cool. I
think that's the neatest idea I've seen as far as dampers go, they kinda threw
out all conventional wisdom and did their own thing.
David Jones
rec.motorcycles.dirt:
Seems like an enterprising individual or manufacturer could design
something that would be integral with the steering head.
>-Dave-
David - '02 KTM200 EXC
djo...@LSidaho.com
http://www.motosports-boise.com/rmd
"The Very Unofficial RMD Homepage"
Murray
wrote:
>Seems like an enterprising individual or manufacturer could design
>something that would be integral with the steering head.
>
After riding with you i am looking for someone to come up with custom
fitted Nerf Bars! In Carbon Fiber of course.
Maybe with Foot deflectors
Derek Turner
> Good ridin' to ya,
> VLJ
> --
> Blow up your TV,
> Throw away your papers,
> Move to the country,
> And buy yourself a home.
> Get a few dirtbikes,
> Do a bit of wrenching,
> Find new single-track,
> On your own ...
Hey, I know that song! Never heard that verse before tho. Cool!
KTMSpode
his birthday. He had a WER on his old Berg and he loved it, but he
wanted to try something different. Pros for me for the GPR over the
Scotts were:
GPR is much simpler internally than the Scotts and easier to maintain
(for people who like to service their own stuff)
GPR had one big numbered knob on the top for adjusting. It has proven
to be really easy to use, to adjust and works well.
The GPR I was able to get $65 cheaper than the Scotts
GPR has a lifetime warrenty
On the other hand, I have been considering a SS and will probably go
with the WER. I don't like having the SS mounted on top of the
handlebars, and mounting a Scotts or GPR on the front fender looks
funny and takes away the whole 'adjust on the fly' benefit anyway.
I think they all work well and everyone seems happy with theirs
whatever they have.
Kali
Dean H <dfh...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<3D2C3CEB...@optonline.net>...
KTMSpode
and your riding? This might be a better way to spend your money than
the $400 for a steering stabilizer. If you have already set up your
suspension then ignore this message....
Kali
Dean H <dfh...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<3D2C3CEB...@optonline.net>...
David Jones
rec.motorcycles.dirt:
>On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:30:21 GMT, David Jones <djo...@nospam.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Seems like an enterprising individual or manufacturer could design
>>something that would be integral with the steering head.
>>
> After riding with you i am looking for someone to come up with custom
>fitted Nerf Bars! In Carbon Fiber of course.
>Maybe with Foot deflectors
Foot fairings?
jeb
>I've got the WER and it's OK. Not as good as the Scotts or GPR in my opinion,
>but better than no damper.
I own 3 WER's and 1 Scott's. They are all good and I wouldn't say one works
better than the other. The Scott's has more adjustability but I don't think it
really adds up to being more effective than the WER's. I don't adjust mine on
the fly anymore so that's not much of a plus for me but it could be a huge plus
for others.
The Scott's is in the way for mouning pads and enduro stuff. It's limiting in
that you have to pick the type of bar (fat or normal) and bar position before
you order the damper. If you decide to change either, it'll cost you $75 or so
for a new top clamp as the Scott's has to remain centered over the steering
stem to work correctly. It's a very high quality unit and mine has been totally
trouble free for 5 years. So have the WER's, though.
The WER's can be a little destructive to mount. On KTM's, you loose the EXC
front fender brace, have to cut up the stock headlight shroud/number plate so
the arm can pass through it and you have to move the headlight forward. WER
provides a bracket for that. Once it's on, set it and forget it.
Here's a picture of my 01 KTM 400EXC's dashboard. I did loosely ziptie a
crossbar pad between the Scott's the Pacemaker 3 enduro computer and I've
smacked it more than once. The pad is easy to move forward for adjusting the
damper. My computers batteries are tucked inside the bar pad, too:
http://pws.chartermi.net/~jejb/pictures/dashboard.jpg
>For people that want a Scotts or GPR but are worried about the mounting
>position busting their nose I have a machine shop friend that is making a very
>sweet aluminum plate setup that mounts the damper in the WER location. I don't
>know what he is charging but it is a very nice looking setup on the several
>bikes I've seen it mounted on.
Dave,
Is he making that for KTM's yet? If so, what is he charging? The last I talked
with him, assuming it's the same guy, he was reluctant to sell them to the
general public. Has that changed?
jeb
DirtCrashr
>with the WER. I don't like having the SS mounted on top of the
>handlebars, and mounting a Scotts or GPR on the front fender looks
>funny and takes away the whole 'adjust on the fly' benefit anyway.
NOoo! Try the integral mount version first!
And report back.
http://www.rttmotorsports.com/
They must make one that fits a Gasser, or they would if they had a need to
fill.
Good luck,
DirtCrashr
Mike Baxter
>Oh, also, have you had you suspension revalved and/or set up for you
>and your riding? This might be a better way to spend your money than
>the $400 for a steering stabilizer. If you have already set up your
>suspension then ignore this message....
>
>Kali
Must resissssst...
Mike Baxter...2000 GG EC300...1997 GG JXT270...Timekeepers MC
My sponsors in no particular order:
www.smackovermotorsports.com www.aftershocks-suspension.com
www.acerbis.com www.sinisalo.com
Dave Sparkman
>>For people that want a Scotts or GPR but are worried about the mounting
>>position busting their nose I have a machine shop friend that is making a
>very
>>sweet aluminum plate setup that mounts the damper in the WER location. I
>don't
>>know what he is charging but it is a very nice looking setup on the several
>>bikes I've seen it mounted on.
>
>Dave,
>Is he making that for KTM's yet? If so, what is he charging? The last I
>talked
>with him, assuming it's the same guy, he was reluctant to sell them to the
>general public. Has that changed?
>jeb
>
Jeb,
Not sure where your at, but the guy I'm talking about isJohn Butterman of
Butterman Machine Tool in Rio Rancho, NM. That's kinda a suburb of Albuquerque
of sorts. Last time I talked to him he was talking with Scotts to actually
partner up and do some work for\with them as far as selling a kit for popular
bikes. Not sure if it happened or not. I'll have to give him a call next week
and check. Will report back on that ASAP.
KTMSpode
> On 10 Jul 2002 14:59:14 -0700, nos...@ttr125l.com (KTMSpode) wrote:
>
> >Oh, also, have you had you suspension revalved and/or set up for you
> >and your riding? This might be a better way to spend your money than
> >the $400 for a steering stabilizer. If you have already set up your
> >suspension then ignore this message....
> >
> >Kali
>
> Must resissssst...
>
> Mike Baxter...
>
Oh go ahead Mike.
Can't wait to run into you again so we can have this discussion face
to face instead of your little chicken shit jabs you so love to spew
out on the internet..
Jay C
> Where did you get that stubby fuel vent hose ? I need one.
Genetics.
Jay
Mike Baxter
There is nothing like an open invitation to give you crap. You F'n
can't understand normal thinking. Dean has been riding long enough
and been on RMD long enough to know about the benefits of suspension
valving. He doesn't need an idiot that buys a roach '99 GasGas 200
sight unseen that doesn't have a steering damper / stabilizer to give
him advice. Much less someone that is stupid enough to drag said
roach to another state without making it at least ridable for when you
get there. You see, I know that there are more than just a few RMDers
that feel this way, but are being way nicer than me.
Kali your nice girl, but you just dispense too much advise that don't
think through or understand. You want to talk to me in person, fine.
You want to yell at me and call me names. That's fine also. I don't
care.
Your chicken salad response,
Jay C
Jay
Brian McGarry
I truly believe that Steering Dampers have a high gizmo attraction and are
of little real value.
Convince me I'm wrong.
Brian
Truespode
Ivan
"Jay C" <jwc.N...@sysmatrix.net> wrote in message
news:EEEX8.25674$AK.2...@news.webusenet.com...
> Damn.
>
> Jay
>
>
Wes
>
> Damn.
Yeah. Amazing restraint huh? He oughta be a politician or somethin'.
Wes
P.S. Mike, does this mean you're not going to be my best man?
Jim Hall
>Open hunting season on me!
Hehehehehehe.....
>I truly believe that Steering Dampers have a high gizmo attraction and are
>of little real value.
>
>Convince me I'm wrong.
The make a lot of difference if you are doing anything at high speed.
Tank-slapping KTM headshake at 80 mph or so can truly be an
underwear-changing experience.
Also helps quite a bit for keeping your bike straight in rocks. Here
it's not so noticeable until you take the damper off.
My general impression Brian, is that you are not a particularly
aggressive rider. While I think that dampers help anybody, you
wouldn't benefit as much.
$02
Jim Hall
520 EXC and others
turning Money into Noise...
David Jones
wrote in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
>>> Must resissssst...
>>>
>>> Mike Baxter...
>>>
>>
>>Oh go ahead Mike.
>>
>>Can't wait to run into you again so we can have this discussion face
>>to face instead of your little chicken shit jabs you so love to spew
>>out on the internet..
>
>
>There is nothing like an open invitation to give you crap. You F'n
>can't understand normal thinking. Dean has been riding long enough
>and been on RMD long enough to know about the benefits of suspension
>valving. He doesn't need an idiot that buys a roach '99 GasGas 200
>sight unseen that doesn't have a steering damper / stabilizer to give
>him advice. Much less someone that is stupid enough to drag said
>roach to another state without making it at least ridable for when you
>get there. You see, I know that there are more than just a few RMDers
>that feel this way, but are being way nicer than me.
Grammar Cop sez: that oughta be "...nicer than I", implying the phrase
"nicer than I am".
>Kali your nice girl, but you just dispense too much advise that don't
>think through or understand. You want to talk to me in person, fine.
>You want to yell at me and call me names. That's fine also. I don't
>care.
Sounds like the classic description of a wannabe to me...
>Your chicken salad response,
>Mike Baxter
Mike W.
wrote:
>
>My general impression Brian, is that you are not a particularly
>aggressive rider. While I think that dampers help anybody, you
>wouldn't benefit as much.
I'm not an aggressive rider either but I find in the rocks mine makes a
difference (i.e. I remember the rocks before I put it on).
Mike
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
74 CZ250 Enduro
BRC, AMA, NETRA, NOHVCC, NRA
Suburban trail-riding best practices:
http://www.crocker.com/~mwilliams/Suburban.htm
Truespode
"Mike W." <Outo...@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
news:4t0viugb5tq86linr...@4ax.com...
> I'm not an aggressive rider either but I find in the rocks mine makes a
> difference (i.e. I remember the rocks before I put it on).
>
> Mike
I'm not aggressive either but I really feel the Scott's Damper has saved my
butt on more than one occassion in whooped out trails, ruts, roots and
stumps.
One time (in bandcamp <g>) I hit a tree a full 3" in from the end of my left
barkbuster. It kicked me a little but didn't swing me around on my arse. I
was able to save it. I could feel the Damper slow the momentum of the bars
and absorb some of the shock from the hit.
I bought mine 3 years ago and have had it re-built once. It is worth the
investment. Especially since I can pretty much take it from bike to bike.
Ivan
David Jones
>"Brian McGarry" <sca...@execpc.com> wrote:
>
>>Open hunting season on me!
>
>Hehehehehehe.....
>
>>I truly believe that Steering Dampers have a high gizmo attraction and are
>>of little real value.
<snip>
>
>Also helps quite a bit for keeping your bike straight in rocks. Here
>it's not so noticeable until you take the damper off.
>
>My general impression Brian, is that you are not a particularly
>aggressive rider. While I think that dampers help anybody, you
>wouldn't benefit as much.
I can't resist like Mike did...
Brian, how about you get one as a convenience to those kind souls who
ride your bike through the tough spots? <G>
>Jim Hall
Mike 'OldFart' Hetrick
news:uiv2lek...@corp.supernews.com:
>
> "Mike W." <Outo...@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
> news:4t0viugb5tq86linr...@4ax.com...
>
>> I'm not an aggressive rider either but I find in the rocks mine makes
>> a difference (i.e. I remember the rocks before I put it on).
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> I'm not aggressive either but I really feel the Scott's Damper has
> saved my butt on more than one occassion in whooped out trails, ruts,
> roots and stumps.
I had one and I was not that impressed with what I got for all that money.
I wanted it for head shake while desert racing. I dicked with all the
settings and was never very happy with it.
OF
EMARPLE
>I truly believe that Steering Dampers have a high gizmo attraction and are
>of little real value.
>
>Convince me I'm wrong.
>
>Brian
I can only say what I have experienced myself. I went from crashing at least
once every ride to very seldom crashing. Overnight. The SD does three things
for you:
1) It slows down front end deflections and washouts which gives you a pretty
good chance to save it. 2) Because you don't have to worry so much about every
little root and rock in the trail you can look further ahead and concentrate
more on the big picture. 3) You don't have to fight the handlebars so it's less
tiring. All of this adds up to you riding stronger, longer and faster.
I've preached it here before and I'll do so here again; If there is any one
thing that a person should do to his bike to make it "faster", IMO it would be
a SD. The only other thing that is even close is suspension tuning.
Everett
'00 CR 250 (Tree Finder...the next generation)
'74 BMW R90/6...(gentleman's express)
'75 Kawasaki 400 S3 two-stroke triple
Dean H
>
>
> your nice girl, but you just dispense too much advise that don't
> think through or understand. You want to talk to me in person, fine.
> You want to yell at me and call me names. That's fine also. I don't
> care.
Sounds like my 16th anniversary dinner with my wife tonight.
Black roses.
dean
Brian McGarry
"David Jones" <djo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> Brian, how about you get one as a convenience to those kind souls who
> ride your bike through the tough spots? <G>
Brian is failing the subject of Dirt Biking. Let's do what we can to get him
on the right track again.
David Jones
<sca...@execpc.com> wrote in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
Seriously, have you ever considered getting a bike more suited to
trail riding than the woodsified KX?
Brian McGarry
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:21:57 -0500, "Brian McGarry"
> <sca...@execpc.com> wrote in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
>
> >
> >"David Jones" <djo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Brian, how about you get one as a convenience to those kind souls who
> >> ride your bike through the tough spots? <G>
> >
> >Brian is failing the subject of Dirt Biking. Let's do what we can to get
him
> >on the right track again.
>
> Seriously, have you ever considered getting a bike more suited to
> trail riding than the woodsified KX?
Sure I consider it all the time, someday I may actually get around to
getting a different bike. After owning sometime like 10 different bikes in
10 years, I got tired of all hassles of buying and selling.
Plus I don't ride in Wisconsin anymore. (Sold vacation property near
National Forest)
It's not really the bike's fault though.
From my observations, Spodefest attract some really talented riders.
At my age, attitude, limited riding opportunities and riding background,
I'll never be one.
I suck riding any bike....A different bike would only marginal decrease my
suckieness.
Brian
Chris Buckley
Talent and ability are and should always be secondary concerns when it
comes to this sport. Never forget that we do this because we enjoy
ourselves when we're out riding, that's what it's all about, having fun.
I myself don't ride nearly as fast or take as many chances as I did when
I was younger, sometimes I crash doing really simple maneuvers because
I've slowed down and gotten more cautious with age, but at the end of
the day I still have as big of as a smile on my face as ever.
Chris
Mike W.
wrote:
>Talent and ability are and should always be secondary concerns when it
>comes to this sport. Never forget that we do this because we enjoy
>ourselves when we're out riding, that's what it's all about, having fun.
Wait... does this mean I can take the gun out of my mouth? You should
answer quickly...
Chris Buckley
N.Y. yesterday, I don't know whether to shoot her or shoot myself.
Chris
IRKurt2U
Yes.
I think, also, that riding a specific type of terrain makes you better at it.
Not too much mountain riding here in the Midwest - but sure as hell had fun
trying something new!
>At my age, attitude, limited riding opportunities and riding background,
>I'll never be one.
Maybe. But fun counts. And again - going somewhere new and trying something
completely different. Last year, at Idaho, I got to for the first time: deal
with vertigo, wedge my KX between two shoulder-high rocks, and deal successive
4 foot vertical step-ups. All new and alien, not impassible, but they require
learned technique. I would not expect to be as accomplished as someone who has
spent decades riding those trails.
>I suck riding any bike....A different bike would only marginal decrease my
>suckieness.
Maybe. But I have a feeling that a torquey little XR250 would add a new
dimension of fun to the Idaho I rode last year. Or, at least a KDX200.
In fact, that's why I'm not going this year. I just can't picture it on the
KX125 - and I am not foofing this bike with trail modifications, though I'll
miss the riding with Prof. Dowd, Keith, Wes and everyone else.
For the record, Brian rides his KX just fine and fun to ride with.
Kurt
scrape at mindspring dot com
<cnbu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Yes you should, and pass it over here!!!! The wife returned home from
>N.Y. yesterday, I don't know whether to shoot her or shoot myself.
Go riding. Then drink. In that order.
W.B.Lyttle
94 Husaberg FE350
02 Yamaha TT-R125L (youngun's)
88 F-150 (POS)
BRC, ARRA, USA-ALL and like that
Chris Buckley
"Work Party" at the club I belong to, on work party days we let our
"Associate" members (those who only pay $35./yr) come out to the
property, work a half a day and ride the rest of the day, it's like
"Caddy Day" in the movie "Caddy Shack", something I want no part of. I
did discover today that the 3-jaw chuck on my lathe has developed about
5 thousandths of an inch of run-out. I was trying to turn down some
valves today, for a bike I am restoring and they just weren't coming out
completely true, so I guess I'll have to deal with that first, then the
laundry, then the A/C on the Kid's truck, then get drunk. Monday I
should be able to sneak off and get 30 or 40 trail miles in, then come
home, cook dinner, get drunk.(while cooking dinner, of course) Also if I
get my lathe chuck trued up tomorrow, I have to knurl a piston, to save
myself from a re-bore and new piston. Funny how a single cast piston for
an old BSA 500 can cost more money than an entire set of forged pistons
(with rings) for a small block Chevy, but then again, you ride a 'Berg
and I ride a Husky, the price of a piston for either one would buy about
3 full sets for a Chevy.
Chris
Simmonsmc
>of little real value.
>
>Convince me I'm wrong.
>
>Brian
>
Mike Simmons
99 KTM 300 MXC
AMA/ Dist.36
Hayward Honda/Suzuki/Sea-Doo 510-886-0644
D-H Cycles KTM/Suzuki/Cannondale Modesto
Motowerx livermore Ca
http://www.ktm-parts.com
Jay C
>...so I guess I'll have to deal with that first, then the
> laundry, then the A/C on the Kid's truck, then get drunk.
Your priorities are a little messed up. I thought your wife cane home? You
should be getting drunk FIRST.
Jay
dsc
"EMARPLE" <ema...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020712232752...@mb-ft.aol.com...
> >
> >I truly believe that Steering Dampers have a high gizmo attraction and
are
> >of little real value.
> >
> >Convince me I'm wrong.
> >
> >Brian
>
> I can only say what I have experienced myself. I went from crashing at
least
> once every ride to very seldom crashing. Overnight. The SD does three
things
> for you:
> 1) It slows down front end deflections and washouts which gives you a
pretty
> good chance to save it. 2) Because you don't have to worry so much about
every
> little root and rock in the trail you can look further ahead and
concentrate
> more on the big picture. 3) You don't have to fight the handlebars so it's
less
> tiring. All of this adds up to you riding stronger, longer and faster.
>
> I've preached it here before and I'll do so here again; If there is any
one
> thing that a person should do to his bike to make it "faster", IMO it
would be
> a SD. The only other thing that is even close is suspension tuning.
>
What Everett said... :)
I'm not sure that custom suspension mods made as much difference as the SSS
did... and the SSS was cheaper.
dsc
KTMSpode
> On 11 Jul 2002 22:47:09 -0700, nos...@ttr125l.com (KTMSpode) wrote:
>
> >Mike Baxter <mgb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<2i1siukgjq1o6ftsm...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 10 Jul 2002 14:59:14 -0700, nos...@ttr125l.com (KTMSpode) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Oh, also, have you had you suspension revalved and/or set up for you
> >> >and your riding? This might be a better way to spend your money than
> >> >the $400 for a steering stabilizer. If you have already set up your
> >> >suspension then ignore this message....
> >> >
> >> >Kali
> >>
> >> Must resissssst...
> >>
> >> Mike Baxter...
> >>
> >
> >Oh go ahead Mike.
> >
> >Can't wait to run into you again so we can have this discussion face
> >to face instead of your little chicken shit jabs you so love to spew
> >out on the internet..
>
>
> There is nothing like an open invitation to give you crap. You F'n
> can't understand normal thinking.
No Baxter, you are looking for a reason because of you f'ing retarded brain
that has something out for me for absolutely no reason. I have known a lot
of men like you, you are sad.
Dean has been riding long enough
> and been on RMD long enough to know about the benefits of suspension
> valving.
I know that, hence my comment at the end...but what about the validity in
the comment itself? You can't argue with it can you? All you want to do is
personally attack me about stupid shit, but you say absolutely nothing about
the facts do you? Believe it or not, I have ridden really bad suspension,
and I have ridden really good suspension and I know it makes all the
differece in the world. Whether or not Dean needs a steering damper or not
is irrelevant. There is way too much spewing of "buy this and buy that" crap
on the internet, and people read these posts and think a steering damper
will solve all their problems. I fell into the same trap when I didn't know
any better either...this expensive gadget or that expensive gadget will
solve all your problems. Well they don't. My KTM that was completely screwed
up by a friend of yours (maybe this is part of your problem?) I thought it
needed a steering damper, but what it really needed was someone to set up
the suspension properly.
He doesn't need an idiot that buys a roach '99 GasGas 200
> sight unseen that doesn't have a steering damper / stabilizer to give
> him advice. Much less someone that is stupid enough to drag said
> roach to another state without making it at least ridable for when you
> get there.
Whatever Mike, again pulling bullshit out of your ass just for the sake of
being an asshole. If you knew me or knew anything at all you would know that
I spent many hours in the garage trying to get the bike ready in time and
had absolutely no intention of going to Oregon, it was 10 or so people that
convinced me to go because I would learn something whether my bike was
ridable or not, well I did. And I was also the one that refused to go on any
of the rides because I didn't feel my bike was in good enough shape, unlike
a lot of people that just go out and ride roaches. It was also me that came
straight home and spent weeks with Kevin in the garage tearing the bike down
to the nuts and bolts, replacing every part on the bike that wears at all,
raplacing every fluid, seal, everything. Is that an idiot? How many people
would do that? I can tell you how many people told me to just get out there
and ride it...a hell of a lot more than told me to tear it down.
And by the way, I consulted A LOT of people, so called experts, before I
bought that bike. You might want to watch how you throw the "idiots" around
since it wasn't just me going off and buying that bike without any
consultation. I trusted the owner and got screwed, that's a mistake, not an
idiot. An idiot is someone that doesn't learn from them. BTW, the bike kicks
ass now, and is far from a roach see
http://www.fototime.com/inv/EDE6B0661E56351
You see, I know that there are more than just a few RMDers
> that feel this way, but are being way nicer than me.
Watever Mike, a few more people than me think you're retarded. And you're
momma's ugly and dresses you funny.
>
> Kali your nice girl, but you just dispense too much advise that don't
> think through or understand. You want to talk to me in person, fine.
> You want to yell at me and call me names. That's fine also. I don't
> care.
What you think about me doesn't f-ing matter. I just wish you would get a
life and quite with the bullshit. And if you have something to say to me be
a man and say it to my face. And stick to the facts instead of you lame ass
assumtions about people...cause you know what they say about assumptions.
dsc
"IRKurt2U" <irku...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020713173928...@mb-cm.aol.com...
> >From my observations, Spodefest attract some really talented riders.
>
> Yes.
>
> I think, also, that riding a specific type of terrain makes you better at
it.
> Not too much mountain riding here in the Midwest - but sure as hell had
fun
> trying something new!
>
> >At my age, attitude, limited riding opportunities and riding background,
> >I'll never be one.
Maybe... but you can choose to ride a twitchy over sprung mx bike or
something a little more user friendly (XRs, WRs, KTM mxc or exc). The bike
can actually make a very big difference in how well you can handle certain
terrain and how much fun that terrain is.
dsc
Murray
<kali...@NOSPAMttr125l.com> wrote:
>
>No Baxter, you are looking for a reason because of you f'ing retarded brain
>that has something out for me for absolutely no reason. I have known a lot
>of men like you, you are sad.
<snip >
Ouch!!! I think the heat is getting to us!
Scott A
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:19:52 -0700, Jim Hall <diespa...@plateng.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>My general impression Brian, is that you are not a particularly
>>aggressive rider. While I think that dampers help anybody, you
>>wouldn't benefit as much.
> I'm not an aggressive rider either but I find in the rocks mine makes a
> difference (i.e. I remember the rocks before I put it on).
I'm not an agressive rider either but maybe that's why I felt Baxter's
GG300 felt so "heavy". I know this sounds funny coming from a DR350
rider but I swear my DR felt lighter than the GG, at least from the
ability to move the handlebars around.
The only other bike I've ever ridden that had a steering damper
(dampner?) was Mike W's XR400 but it didn't feel as heavy as Baxter's
bike either.
I dunno, I probably don't know what I'm talking about anyway...
--
Scott Aldrich
jeb
>"Sean Goulart" <sgou...@99services.com> wrote in message
>> Hey Jeb =-
>> Where did you get that stubby fuel vent hose ? I need one.
>
>Genetics.
No, it was a terrible accident while riding a WR500. :-) I got it from
www.cyclezonektm.com . It's called a Pinhead.
jeb
jeb
>Jeb,
>Not sure where your at, but the guy I'm talking about isJohn Butterman of
>Butterman Machine Tool in Rio Rancho, NM. That's kinda a suburb of Albuquerque
>of sorts. Last time I talked to him he was talking with Scotts to actually
>partner up and do some work for\with them as far as selling a kit for popular
>bikes. Not sure if it happened or not. I'll have to give him a call next week
>and check. Will report back on that ASAP.
Sounds like the same guy. Let me know what you find out.
jeb
fugspit
David Jones wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:40:05 -0700, Mike Baxter <mgb...@pacbell.net>
> wrote in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
>
>
>
>>>>Must resissssst...
>>>>
>>>>Mike Baxter...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Oh go ahead Mike.
>>>
>>>Can't wait to run into you again so we can have this discussion face
>>>to face instead of your little chicken shit jabs you so love to spew
>>>out on the internet..
>>>
>>
>>There is nothing like an open invitation to give you crap. You F'n
>>can't understand normal thinking. Dean has been riding long enough
>>and been on RMD long enough to know about the benefits of suspension
>>valving. He doesn't need an idiot that buys a roach '99 GasGas 200
>>sight unseen that doesn't have a steering damper / stabilizer to give
>>him advice. Much less someone that is stupid enough to drag said
>>roach to another state without making it at least ridable for when you
>>get there. You see, I know that there are more than just a few RMDers
>>that feel this way, but are being way nicer than me.
>>
>
> Grammar Cop sez: that oughta be "...nicer than I", implying the phrase
> "nicer than I am".
In Mike's defence. Whilst, The American Heritage Dictionary of the
English Language: Fourth Edition, does prefer "...nicer than I"
<http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/T0141300.html>
It does go on to say, "Though [...nicer than me] is still widely regarded
as incorrect, it is predominant in speech and has reputable literary
precedent, appearing in the writing of such respected authors as
Shakespeare, Johnson, Swift, Scott, and Faulkner."
Talking about bikes I don't go fast enough to need a steering damper for
my XR400.
Talking about Kali. I only met the girl once and she seemed pleasant
enough. Not sure Baxter has such animosity.
Cheers,
vlj
<snip>
> Talking about bikes I don't go fast enough to need a steering damper for
> my XR400.
<snip>
I'm pudgy, middle-aged 'n slow and I really like/use the steering damper on
my XR400 ...
Good ridin' to ya,
VLJ
--
Big air. Kids today, that's all they want, big air. I say keep it on the
dirt, that is where the fun is. You want big air kid? Pull my finger
.. -- Smooth Johnson
David Jones
in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
<snip>
>> Grammar Cop sez: that oughta be "...nicer than I", implying the phrase
>> "nicer than I am".
>
>
>In Mike's defence. Whilst, The American Heritage Dictionary of the
>English Language: Fourth Edition, does prefer "...nicer than I"
><http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/T0141300.html>
>
>It does go on to say, "Though [...nicer than me] is still widely regarded
>
>Talking about Kali. I only met the girl once and she seemed pleasant
>enough. Not sure Baxter has such animosity.
Hey, Fugspit, wherer the fug ya been?
>Cheers,
Jay C
news:3D331DC5...@yahoo.com...
> Talking about bikes I don't go fast enough to need a steering damper for
> my XR400.
While I don't have one, the only occurances that I've said to to myself,
"Holyjesuscrimminycrap...that was close. I bet that wouldn't have happened
if I had a steering damper" were relatively slow speed deflections where my
front wheel gets plonked sideways or folds in a turn and bangs off the stop.
I still think that the main reason for dampers is to eliminate headshake
though, and I don't go nearly fast enough to get any of that.
Jay
Truespode
"KTMSpode" <kali...@NOSPAMttr125l.com> wrote in message
news:kZBY8.1091$mY2.42...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> a few more people than me think you're retarded. And you're
> momma's ugly and dresses you funny.
Yeah... but we love him for it :)
Ivan
Brian McGarry
"KTMSpode" <kali...@NOSPAMttr125l.com> wrote in
>
> Watever Mike, a few more people than me think you're retarded.
I didn't know that, I assumed he was a Clicker Savant.
Brian
Dean H
>
> Yes you should, and pass it over here!!!! The wife returned home from
> N.Y. yesterday, I don't know whether to shoot her or shoot myself.
> Chris
My in-laws are here "to offer support".
I'm sleeping in the basement next to the cat box; staking my claim.
And my bike is broken.
Wah wah!
Chris Buckley
myself a place in heaven, and they always finish it up by saying "We're
not taking her back". Lucky fucking me!!!
Dean H wrote:
>
> My in-laws are here "to offer support".
> I'm sleeping in the basement next to the cat box; staking my claim.
> And my bike is broken.
>
> Wah wah!
Sleeping next to the cat box????? Some guys will do anything to get some
pussy. I hope you get your bike fixed soon!!!!!
Chris
David Jones
> Yes you should, and pass it over here!!!! The wife returned home from
> N.Y. yesterday, I don't know whether to shoot her or shoot myself.
> Chris
I suggest:
1) Shoot her
2) Shoot youself
I predict, somewhere 'long 'bout 1.5 you regain your sanity...
dsc
"Jay C" <jwc.N...@sysmatrix.net> wrote in message
news:tzFY8.26945$AK....@news.webusenet.com...
They make the bike track a lot straighter through whoop type bumps, through
rocks, ruts, etc.
They do more than just absorb the Oh $H!+ type mistkes. :) But they are very
good at that too.
dsc
dsc
>
> Talking about bikes I don't go fast enough to need a steering damper for
> my XR400.
I don't think you have to go all that fast to benefit from a SSS...
dsc
Brian McGarry
Chris
"Chris Buckley" <cnbu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3D3095E3...@earthlink.net...
Wes
>
> that has something out for me for absolutely no reason.
It's just a personality thing. Oil and water don't mix. If you shake
them hard enough, they make a nasty oooky mess though.
> And stick to the facts instead of you lame ass
> assumtions about people...cause you know what they say about assumptions.
They make an "ass" of "u" and "mptions"? WTF are "mptions"?
Wes
P.S. He'll like you better after we're married ... and I show him
pictures.
Mike Baxter
<kali...@NOSPAMttr125l.com> wrote:
>
>What you think about me doesn't f-ing matter. I just wish you would get a
>life and quite with the bullshit. And if you have something to say to me be
>a man and say it to my face. And stick to the facts instead of you lame ass
>assumtions about people...cause you know what they say about assumptions.
>
>>
>> Your chicken salad response,
>>
>> Mike Baxter...2000 GG EC300...1997 GG JXT270...Timekeepers MC
>>
>
Oh no, you hurt my feelings. I'm so devistated. <G> I just call
them as see them. BTW, go back and look at the phrase, F'n Can't
Understand Normal Thinking. But, what I think of you doesn't matter,
right?
Anyway, I don't normally make appointments to tell people that I don't
care for that I don't like them to their face, but I can make an
exception just for you. I'm in Mountain View tomorrow and we can do a
late lunch. We can go Dutch.
Why is it I like all the other women I have met from RMD and respect
them? Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Mike Baxter
Dave Sparkman
OK, I talked to Butterman the other day, he has a deal with Scotts to build the
lower kits. He didn't care to deal with the marketing and phone call etc, so
Scotts is offering the damper kits with a lower mount or upper mount setup. If
you already have a Scotts damper and just need the lower mount kit he said it
thought it was priced the same as the upper mount kits ( around $110 or so).
Here is a link to a photo on Scotts site for a Honda lower kit:
http://www.scottsperformance.com/photos2/330.jpg
Butterman said they are selling Honda and Yamaha kits currently and are working
on others.
-Dave-
YZ 125
WR 200
TSCEC # 432
RMEC # 3030
Jay C
news:20020726234158...@mb-ck.aol.com...
> Here is a link to a photo on Scotts site for a Honda lower kit:
> http://www.scottsperformance.com/photos2/330.jpg
Nice looking mount - looks beefy. I wonder though, considering the expense,
is there an advantage of the Scotts in that location over the WER?
Jay
Andy Mullins
Andy
"Dave Sparkman" <dspa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020726234158...@mb-ck.aol.com...
MX Tuner
spewed forth:
Sure, the Scotts is still infinitley more adjustable, just not
"on-the-fly".
MX Tuner
Dave Sparkman
>> Here is a link to a photo on Scotts site for a Honda lower kit:
>> http://www.scottsperformance.com/photos2/330.jpg
>
>Nice looking mount - looks beefy. I wonder though, considering the expense,
>is there an advantage of the Scotts in that location over the WER?
>
You would the adjust on the fly ability if it was important to you. But I would
be willing to lose that feature to run the better damper.
Dave Sparkman
<egnor...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Any pictures of how those mount to the Honda aluminum frames?
>
Yes, they have pictures for many models, just look around a bit.
http://www.scottsperformance.com