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Paris.A.G

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Jan 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/12/99
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hi,
96 XR250R has dry sump . Changing oil is not a nightmare but a time
consumed process. I have to drain oil from the frame and then from the
engine. But my problem is pouring in the oil. I always overfill the bike
or most of the time spill oil.

Any one has found the right way to do it.

Help is really appriciated. Thanks in advance.

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Paris.A.G

XR250R '96

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MWeissen

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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Get a decent funnel. One with a long neck works best. I've found that putting
oil in without spilling it is usually a 2-person ordeal. If you have kids
around the house, it's a great way for them to feel like they're helping dad
fix his motorcycle if they hold onto the funnel. Makes 'em feel important!

I'll tell you right now you CAN'T get the total amount recommended by the
manual without first firing up the bike. Get 1-1/2 quarts in, then start it
up. The "dry sump" will take on enough to get the rest in. Warm the bike well
after adding most, if not all, of the remainder before checking the final oil
level.

It IS a pain to change and check oil on dry-sumps, but it's better than having
a whole bunch more metal hanging low for the convenience of a wet-sump.
Mark
'97 XR250

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BA Kimsey

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:52:29 +0200, "Paris.A.G" <323t...@bigfoot.com>
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>consumed process. I have to drain oil from the frame and then from the
>engine. But my problem is pouring in the oil. I always overfill the bike
>or most of the time spill oil.

Gee, it's only two bolts!

But anyway, when filling, it takes 1.8 quarts. I add the 1 and then
some. Start the bike and let it run a little bit (minute or so).
Kill it and check dipstick. Should be dry or just about dry. Start
adding oil to finish up the 1.8 qts. Let bike run for a good several
minutes- check oil again. Should be right about 1/2 way up dipstick.
Go riding.

To fill, I use a neat little thing I picked up at Wal-Mart. It
attaches to an oil bottle and has a long piece of clear plastic tubing
with an on/off valve. This'll fit right into the XR oil fill oil (make
sure the hose is clean of course), and prevent spills, especially if
you stop at 1.x like I suggested.


B. Kimsey
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'96 Honda XR250
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:52:29 +0200, "Paris.A.G" <323t...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>hi,


>96 XR250R has dry sump . Changing oil is not a nightmare but a time

>consumed process. I have to drain oil from the frame and then from the
>engine.

Wow, I take off two bolts, let it drain, change the oil filter, and
fill 'er back up. Don't forget to put the drain bolts back.

>But my problem is pouring in the oil. I always overfill the bike

>or most of the time spill oil. Any one has found the right way to do it.

A funnel and an owner's manual. Sometimes it gets like air bubbles or
something so you can't fill it anymore. Try cranking on it and the
oil level drops.


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Jay C

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Jan 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/13/99
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Ben Chua Leong Boon wrote in message <369CCBAF...@pacific.net.sg>...
>I never had problem filling up 1.8 litre of oil in one go... Is this
normal?
>Anyone??


Don't you have an XR400? They read empty while cold no matter how much oil
you dump in them. I've heard of some guys double-charging the XR4!

Not me though. ~2L pours in just fine.

Jay

Ben Chua Leong Boon

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Jan 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/14/99
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I never had problem filling up 1.8 litre of oil in one go... Is this normal?
Anyone??

Paris.A.G wrote:

> hi,
> 96 XR250R has dry sump . Changing oil is not a nightmare but a time
> consumed process. I have to drain oil from the frame and then from the

> engine. But my problem is pouring in the oil. I always overfill the bike


> or most of the time spill oil.
>
> Any one has found the right way to do it.
>

lfr...@earthlink.net

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Jan 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/14/99
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1) With the bike warmed up, loosen oil fill / dipstick

2) Undo case and frame bolts, drain oil into $5 Pep Boy lid on the
side oil jug

3) Change oil filter every 2 - 3 oil changes

4) Tighten drain bolts to torque spec

5) Using flex - funnel with little spout add req'd oil (1 qt +/-), be
careful not to get plastic bits from funnel in oil fill.

6) Start bike, run 3 -5 min, shut down, check level immediately. Add
oil with funnel if necessary.

I've found that you can also check oil level with bike idling.

Luis
96 xr250R

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:52:29 +0200, "Paris.A.G" <323t...@bigfoot.com>

wrote:

>hi,
>96 XR250R has dry sump . Changing oil is not a nightmare but a time
>consumed process. I have to drain oil from the frame and then from the
>engine. But my problem is pouring in the oil. I always overfill the bike
>or most of the time spill oil.
>
>Any one has found the right way to do it.
>
>Help is really appriciated. Thanks in advance.
>
>--
>Paris.A.G
>
>XR250R '96
>
>mailto:323t...@bigfoot.com
>http://www.geocities.com/soho/8126/
>
>
>

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keith fenwick

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Jan 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/14/99
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Ben Chua Leong Boon <lbc...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

I never had problem filling up 1.8 litre of oil in one go... Is this
normal?
Anyone??

My manual says 1.3 litres for an oil change, without changing the
filter but it always seems to take a few hundred mls more.

keith.
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Al

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Jan 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/14/99
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Jay C wrote:

> Ben Chua Leong Boon wrote in message <369CCBAF...@pacific.net.sg>...

> >I never had problem filling up 1.8 litre of oil in one go... Is this
> normal?
> >Anyone??
>

> Don't you have an XR400? They read empty while cold no matter how much oil
> you dump in them. I've heard of some guys double-charging the XR4!
>
> Not me though. ~2L pours in just fine.
>
> Jay

I've got 2 XR400s in my household, neither one reads empty when cold, in fact
they read near full.

Al


Jay C

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Jan 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/15/99
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Al wrote in message <369E8C05...@earthlink.net>...

>
>I've got 2 XR400s in my household, neither one reads empty when cold, in
fact
>they read near full.


As far as I know, they're not supposed to. The sump has to pump out the
motor before the backbone gets filled up to the operational level - which is
what the dipstick is calibrated for. At least that is my understanding.

Anyone else savvy on what a not-running (cold) XR400 dipstick is supposed to
read? With 1.8-1.9L of oil inserted after an oil and filter change
(specified amount, whichever it is), mine reads basically nothing until the
bike runs for 5 minutes or so (and is totally warmed up) then it reads
perfectly in the center of the fill scale.

Jay
'98 XR400

Al

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Jay C wrote:

Looked at my XR400s oil yesterday. They come up about an inch when run and
checked per Honda's method, run 5 minutes shut down then immediately check. So
I'm a little over full by that method.
Question- since the bulk of oil is in the frame when running what is the
possible harm in being a little over full? All the usual crank whipping etc
wouldn't apply in this engine would it?

Al

SliderOne

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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Mine reads empty when cold (and we're in the tropics). When warmed up
Honda's recommendation, I get about 2/3 full. After riding for about
10mins, its almost at the "max" mark.

I learnt from someone in RMD that if the oil level is too full, the oil gets
whipped back into the intake manifold and then into the carb. Don't know
how that happens, but I've experienced this before.
-Kevin-

Nitrous Oxide

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:38:38 +0800, "SliderOne"
<sli...@pacific.net.sg> did cut boon whids thus:

>Mine reads empty when cold (and we're in the tropics). When warmed up
>Honda's recommendation, I get about 2/3 full. After riding for about
>10mins, its almost at the "max" mark.

So like me you probably discovered if you do it by the little Honda
book it is bang on.


>
>I learnt from someone in RMD that if the oil level is too full, the oil gets
>whipped back into the intake manifold and then into the carb. Don't know
>how that happens, but I've experienced this before.

I guess you mean, too full and it vents via the crankcase
breather/baffle into the airbox via that breather. Also too full and
the oil will flow back down the vent from rocker box cover to frame
oil reservoir pipe. Mind you even if not full it will probably froth
enough to put oil mist back down from the frame anyhow. I make the
assumption that the rocker box pipe is a breather like the crankcase
one to reduce pumping losses, although pumping loss vents are usually
direct to atmoshere which both pipes are I guess are technically not
exactly so in this case.


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