Whats the difence, 2004 xr80 / crf80 ..?
vmn68
I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me the difference between a
Honda 2004 xr80 and a 2004 crf80. I been looking around craigslist to
purchase one for my 9 year old son, he`s 4, 10 and very slim. This will be
his first bike. I`m kind of hoping this would be the right size for him...
I`ve been looking at the ad pictures and can not tell the difference between
either bike.
Thanks in advance,
Victor.
Mike Baxter
wrote:
Hello Victor,
They are the same bike, it's just that someone is using the old XR
lable on the little CRF. Honda dropped the XR name and started calling
the bikes CRFs like the newer 4 stroke MX bikes.
Good luck,
Mike Baxter
JayC
> Honda 2004 xr80 and a 2004 crf80.
No such thing as a '04 XR80. '03 was the last year of the XR, newer
model years are called CRFs. I think that the later-year XR80s and
CRF80s are identical from at least '01 through the present.
Incidentally, kind of moot, as it's illegal for you to buy one.
JayC
vmn68
Victor.
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sturd
> Incidentally, kind of moot, as it's illegal for you to buy one.
Here, let me pick that nit for you.
It's not illegal to buy one.
It's illegal to *sell* a consumer product intended for children
12 and under if it has more than 600 parts per million of
lead in any accessible part. As of today, there are no
exemptions. If it's a toy as defined by the CPSC,
it can't have accessible lead.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
JayC
> 12 and under if it has more than 600 parts per million of
> lead in any accessible part. As of today, there are no
> exemptions. If it's a toy as defined by the CPSC,
> it can't have accessible lead.
Anybody know if the battery-powered kiddie cars (like the ones sold at
WalMart) got pulled off the market? They are lead-acid battery
powered.
JayC
john
<guess that explains alot to the folks who have met me>
the nanny state mentality is ruining a perfectly good population.
john
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Strongy
> by the time i was twelve i was melting lead to make my own ammo.
> <guess that explains alot to the folks who have met me>
> the nanny state mentality is ruining a perfectly good population.
Explains much, pity, but look to the future. It's bright. New
generations of riders without the massive retardation that we see today.
scrape
wrote:
>john wrote:
>> by the time i was twelve i was melting lead to make my own ammo.
>> <guess that explains alot to the folks who have met me>
>> the nanny state mentality is ruining a perfectly good population.
>
>Explains much, pity, but look to the future. It's bright. New
>generations of riders without the massive retardation that we see today.
I'm seeing the same thing. I think the current crop of massive
retardation in WDC shot their wad with such force in the past week
that they may very well have effectively crippled/killed the whole
lemming movement currently gracing all the trendy magazine covers.
You folks are much more fun when you're in hysterical whine mode.
I miss that already. But at least you found a way to get back to
it as reasonably quickly as possible.
JayC
> retardation in WDC shot their wad with such force in the past week
> that they may very well have effectively crippled/killed the whole
> lemming movement currently gracing all the trendy magazine covers.
I think you may be selling the stupidity of the masses short.
Remember, in your field, you only get to ever see or interact with the
top 5-15% of the brain trust. Your impression of what is "normal" is
actually "exceptional". "Normal" people are so stupid, you can't even
communicate with them - and that only the mean. It's REALLY scary.
As PT Barnum once said, "No one ever lost money underestimating the
intellegence of the people."
> You folks are much more fun when you're in hysterical whine mode.
> I miss that already. But at least you found a way to get back to
> it as reasonably quickly as possible.
Truth be told, I have (bright) friends that are solid liberals, and
they think everything going on is absolutely terrific.
JayC
dfh...@optonline.net
Bush invented the bailout. Don't forget that.
How's that TARP doing?
Only time will tell which ~$800 billion was best spent (or most
wasted).
On a brighter note from AMA:
"Motorcyclists benefit from historic economic stimulus bill
PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- Language that provides a tax credit for the
purchase of a motorcycle has been added to the current economic
stimulus bill, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) reports.
The AMA, working in conjunction with other stakeholders, worked
diligently to secure the motorcycle provision within the measure.
President Obama is expected to sign the bill into law shortly.
"This inclusive and equitable solution will provide much-needed relief
to riders, as well as to those who sell motorcycles," said AMA Vice
President for Government Relations Ed Moreland. "When it appeared that
motorcycles were going to be overlooked in this bill, the AMA and the
Association's members, along with Harley-Davidson and others, took our
case straight to Capitol Hill and persuaded lawmakers that this was
the right decision."
Moreland added that motorcycle riders are just as likely to have been
hit hard by the economic downturn as those who buy automobiles and
light-duty trucks. Moreover, motorcyclists typically purchase new
bikes, apparel, vehicle servicing and aftermarket equipment from local
dealers that are family-owned small businesses.
Specifically, motorcycles are included as "qualified vehicles" in
Section 1008 of the legislation. Those purchasing a new motorcycle
will be able to deduct the sales and excise taxes on their 2009 tax
returns. Prior to the actions taken by the AMA and others, the
deductions only applied to the purchase of a new car or light truck.
"We want to thank all motorcyclists who took the time to contact their
elected officials," said Moreland. "This victory is particularly
gratifying because it represents a community-wide effort to elevate
motorcycles as a recognized and viable means of transportation in
America. Motorcycles are vital to the reduction of traffic congestion,
provide efficient use of limited parking, have far less impact on our
roads and bridges, and contribute significantly to our nation's
efforts to consume less fuel. Our success today clearly indicates that
our legislators are listening."
Nothing much from the AMA yet about lead-laden kiddy bikes...
Wudsracer
I have two questions.
1: You are kidding, right?
2: Are you from way up north, where you get snowed in and can't ride?
(If so, I have the fix for that. This will really help one's attitude,
in that case. http://members.cox.net/jejb/Wudi11/wudi11.html )
Good Riding and Reloading!
Jim
**********************************************
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:32:11 -0800, Strongy <am...@global.net> wrote:
>
>Explains much, pity, but look to the future. It's bright. New
>generations of riders without the massive retardation that we see today.
**********************************************
>>john wrote:
>> by the time i was twelve i was melting lead to make my own ammo.
>> <guess that explains alot to the folks who have met me>
>> the nanny state mentality is ruining a perfectly good population.
>> john
************************************************
Jim Cook
Tree Dodger Rock Finder
Team LAGNAF
2006 Gas Gas DE300
The Real Bev
>> I'm seeing the same thing. I think the current crop of massive
>> retardation in WDC shot their wad with such force in the past week
>> that they may very well have effectively crippled/killed the whole
>> lemming movement currently gracing all the trendy magazine covers.
>
> I think you may be selling the stupidity of the masses short.
> Remember, in your field, you only get to ever see or interact with the
> top 5-15% of the brain trust. Your impression of what is "normal" is
> actually "exceptional". "Normal" people are so stupid, you can't even
> communicate with them - and that only the mean.
I'd really like to talk to a person with "IQ=100" stamped on his/her forehead.
Long ago we hired a really dumb receptionist so she wouldn't get bored with the
tedious stuff we wanted her to do and quit like the smart one did. Was Candy
'normal'? I have no idea...
> It's REALLY scary.
> As PT Barnum once said, "No one ever lost money underestimating the
> intellegence of the people."
>
>> You folks are much more fun when you're in hysterical whine mode.
>> I miss that already. But at least you found a way to get back to
>> it as reasonably quickly as possible.
Waste of time whining, gotta keep busy. We're ripping our whole CD collection
to a 200G drive on a separate linux machine feeding into the stereo system.
It's about half full now.
> Truth be told, I have (bright) friends that are solid liberals, and
> they think everything going on is absolutely terrific.
If mine think that, they're keeping their mouths shut. It sure does look like
an "OK, no matter what I said before, the gloves are off NOW" situation.
--
Cheers, Bev
O_________________________________________________O
"John Wayne toilet paper -- It's rough, it's tough,
and it don't take no crap from nobody."
Mike Corey
>Bush invented the bailout. Don't forget that.
Not to the extent that we are seeing it right now. Also let's not
forget, the President can only influence Congress on how to spend, how
much to spend, and where to spend money. Congress is the only group that
can actually spend the money. The President can't spend one penny of the
treasuries money, only Congress can do that. Since we are looking at a
Democratic majority Congress, the blame falls there.
>Only time will tell which ~$800 billion was best
> spent (or most wasted).
Please explain to me how throwing money at a bad situation has ever
solved a problem. It never has, and it never will. We are seeing a
repeat of 1929, except this time it will be worse.
Also while you're at it, please explain to me how anyone with more then
an ounce of grey matter in their head can toss around a number like $800
Billion like it was $8. The average person can't even begin to grasp
what that amount of money is, nor can they grasp the devastation it's
going to do to the economy. That's right, the economy is going to get
worse from this bailout, not better. How can the economy get better when
we all get taxed to death and not have any money to spend to boost it?
Socialism has never worked, nor will it now. I say we should have given
Capitalism a try and let these poorly run banks and businesses fold and
go under. New, well managed banks and businesses will swallow them up in
short order and the country would bounce back stronger then ever. But
no, Capitalism is now gone. Gone forever, and we are now a Socialist
state. There is only one more step from Socialism, and that's Communism.
Say hello to Comrade Obama, he's your Saviour, your Messiah, not mine.
Say goodbye to America the Republic. It was a nice run, but Liberalism
has brought her down.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill:
sturd
> Please explain to me how throwing money at a bad situation has ever
> solved a problem. It never has, and it never will. We are seeing a
> repeat of 1929,
In '29 Hoover did nothing - except cut top tax rates. And sign Smoot-
Hawley.
Together helping the economy take the big dump. So no, we are not
seeing a repeat of 1929.
Although, the biggest single line item in the "stimulus" package is
a tax cut. At least this time it is more broad based than in '29
but I have no idea if that will be any better.
> Also while you're at it, please explain to me how anyone with more then
> an ounce of grey matter in their head can toss around a number like $800
> Billion like it was $8.
Dunno, seems to have started with Shrub's minions taking about
billions spent in Iraq and not even making them part of the budget.
Apparently even democraps can do it.
> Say hello to Comrade Obama, he's your Saviour, your Messiah, not mine.
You've been listening to too much talk radio. I'd suggest that you do
some
reading and form your own opinions but I think that would not be well
received.
sturd
> In '29 Hoover did nothing - except cut top tax rates. And sign Smoot-
> Hawley.
> Together helping the economy take the big dump. So no, we are not
> seeing a repeat of 1929.
Hoover then had to raise taxes in '32, by a bunch and in lots of
places,
to pay for the bail outs of banks, farmers, and railroads.
Mike Corey
>> Saviour, your Messiah, not mine.
>You've been listening to too much talk radio.
Actually, I listen to very little talk radio. It's too one sided. I
prefer both sides of a story, then draw my own conclusions. It's the
Left that calls Obama their Saviour and Messiah. When the Right does it,
the few times they do, it's in jest. I'm just repeating what the Left
says.
>I'd suggest that you do some reading and form
> your own opinions...
Exactly what I do my friend, as I just explained above.
>...but I think that would not be well received.
No, it's not well received. I'm not liking one bit of what I see coming
from the Obama administration. I'm from Illinois, I know Obama better
then the average American. I knew from the day he got the nod for the
office, it would put this country into a world of hurt. He's not going
to let me down by proving me wrong, that I'm sure of.
scrape
wrote:
>> I'm seeing the same thing. I think the current crop of massive
>> retardation in WDC shot their wad with such force in the past week
>> that they may very well have effectively crippled/killed the whole
>> lemming movement currently gracing all the trendy magazine covers.
>
>I think you may be selling the stupidity of the masses short.
>Remember, in your field, you only get to ever see or interact with the
>top 5-15% of the brain trust. Your impression of what is "normal" is
>actually "exceptional". "Normal" people are so stupid, you can't even
>communicate with them - and that only the mean. It's REALLY scary.
>As PT Barnum once said, "No one ever lost money underestimating the
>intellegence of the people."
Occasionally, I fear that might be the case, but I honestly can't
truly believe it. I think Zappa may have said it slightly better
(paraphrasing): the two most common elements in the Universe are
hydrogen and stupidity and I'm questioning the amount of hydrogen.
>> You folks are much more fun when you're in hysterical whine mode.
>> I miss that already. But at least you found a way to get back to
>> it as reasonably quickly as possible.
>
>Truth be told, I have (bright) friends that are solid liberals, and
>they think everything going on is absolutely terrific.
They're trying to convince themselves of that. Their very
existence depends on it.
I'd work on trimming your list of friends to a more manageable
size.
scrape
wrote:
>On Feb 14, 11:57 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix.net> wrote:
>> > I'm seeing the same thing. I think the current crop of massive
>> > retardation in WDC shot their wad with such force in the past week
>> > that they may very well have effectively crippled/killed the whole
>> > lemming movement currently gracing all the trendy magazine covers.
>>
>> I think you may be selling the stupidity of the masses short.
>> Remember, in your field, you only get to ever see or interact with the
>> top 5-15% of the brain trust. Your impression of what is "normal" is
>> actually "exceptional". "Normal" people are so stupid, you can't even
>> communicate with them - and that only the mean. It's REALLY scary.
>> As PT Barnum once said, "No one ever lost money underestimating the
>> intellegence of the people."
>>
>> > You folks are much more fun when you're in hysterical whine mode.
>> > I miss that already. But at least you found a way to get back to
>> > it as reasonably quickly as possible.
>>
>> Truth be told, I have (bright) friends that are solid liberals, and
>> they think everything going on is absolutely terrific.
>>
>> JayC
>
>Bush invented the bailout. Don't forget that.
Bush or Congress? Go ahead. I like tap dancing. At least when
Sammy Davis Jr. was doing it.
>How's that TARP doing?
Ask Paulsen and Geithner (sp).
>Only time will tell which ~$800 billion was best spent (or most
>wasted).
All of them.
sturd
> >I'd suggest that you do some reading and form
> > your own opinions...
>
> Exactly what I do my friend, as I just explained above.
Excellent. 'Cept you didn't explain it.
Fill us in on why BHO is going to screw up. Give up
some evidence.
> I knew from the day he got the nod for the
> office, it would put this country into a world of hurt.
Worse than 6 years of Republifuck control (and another
2 if you count the last 2 with democraps in congress)
has put us?
The democraps can certainly fuck us quite well, especially
as they seem to think that dirt bikes are destroying the earth.
But I'm not convinced they can reduce our standing as
the pre-eminent country in the world any further. And
they may be able to fuck up our economy further but
I'm not convinced of that since the previous dumbfucks
did such a good job.
A tax break for buying a new bike - what's not to like?
Yea, I know, lots.
Mike Corey
>Worse than 6 years of Republifuck control
> (and another 2 if you count the last 2 with
> democraps in congress) has put us?
This country didn't get into the mess it's in overnight. It has happened
over the course of decades. Congress has been predominantly Democrat
over the past 50 years or so. I believe only five or six sessions of
Congress of the past 25 sessions have had a Republican majority. That my
friend speaks volumes.
JayC
> truly believe it.
I have many friends/aquaintances in the construction industry, and I
grew up in "the Hood" (Jersey, right out of Philly). Believe it.
> I'd work on trimming your list of friends to a more manageable
> size.
<PLONK>
Just kidding. Now, THAT was funny right there.
JayC
sturd
> This country didn't get into the mess it's in overnight. It has happened
> over the course of decades. Congress has been predominantly Democrat
> over the past 50 years or so.
And the executive has been predominantly Republifuck. And they are
the boneheads interpreting laws in a way that has closed us out of
vast areas of public lands, instead of managing it for multiple
use as the laws require.
If you seriously think that *all* our problems can be traced to
Democraps, you are deluding yourself. They have certainly
caused a big part of our woes - almost exactly half. As an
example, Nixxxon called on a democratic congress to pass
the Endangered Species Act and then signed it when they
passed it.
sturd
> It's illegal to *sell* a consumer product intended for children
> 12 and under if it has more than 600 parts per million of
> lead in any accessible part. As of today, there are no
> exemptions. If it's a toy as defined by the CPSC,
> it can't have accessible lead.
The Cycle News that came yesterday in the mail has a blurb
that says the regulation has been put off by the CPSC for
one year, time to figure out what things really need to be
effected by the ban. But no mention of that anywhere else
I can find and the Cycle Spew website has an article dated
Feb 12 saying it's still on.
What gives?
HardWorkingDog
<4e69da6f-a71c-40de...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
sturd <mikestur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tami found that too, posted a link to it here a few days ago, and I
thought that meant we had a breather. Apparently, that is only a
petition put before the CPSC, which has NOT been approved by that same
august body.
There is, as usual, massive confusion. A story on cyclenews.com had a
Kawa dealer refusing to sell a throttle tube for a KLR 650, because it
was the same part used on a KX65. And then Kawasaki stepped in to the
fray, saying they had a list that dealers were supposed to use to
allow them to sell these evilhorribletoxicdoitforthekids parts, as
long as the purchaser would sign an affidavit that this part was for
adult use only.
Insanity.
--
Charles
'99 YZ250
Mike Corey
>And the executive has been predominantly
> Republifuck.
You Sir are wrong! It's an even split 7 Republicans and 7 Democrats
since the 1929 depression. Congress' majority has been held by Democrats
since that date.
>And they are the boneheads....
On that we will agree!
>If you seriously think that *all* our problems
> can be traced to Democraps, you are
> deluding yourself.
I never said that "all" of our problems can be traced to Democrats, but
"most" of them can.
The Real Bev
Party is irrelevant, the bastards are ALL politicians and politicians survive on
power and money, both of which are in plentiful supply as long as they keep
getting elected. It takes new guys a while to get with the program, but sooner
or later they ALL do.
Even Ahnold, who is about as big a political disappointment as I've EVER had.
--
Cheers, Bev
================================================================
I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture
us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Mike Corey
>I can picture a world without war, without hate.
> I can picture us attacking that world,
> because they'd never expect it.
LMAO, I like that. Problem is, we would get our butts kicked in a war
against a world as you described. Have you ever heard the meaning behind
the pistol cartridge called the "9mm Parabellum"? (Which is also called
a 9x19, 9mm Luger, or just plain old 9mm.) The word Parabellum loosely
translates into the phrase "To retain peace, prepare for war". So a
world that has no war, would the most prepared for one.
scrape
wrote:
>> Occasionally, I fear that might be the case, but I honestly can't
>> truly believe it.
>
>I have many friends/aquaintances in the construction industry, and I
>grew up in "the Hood" (Jersey, right out of Philly). Believe it.
They must truly believe they're getting free money out of this.
They'll come around soon enough.
>> I'd work on trimming your list of friends to a more manageable
>> size.
>
><PLONK>
>
>Just kidding. Now, THAT was funny right there.
Whatever works...
dfh...@optonline.net
> >Bush invented the bailout. Don't forget that.
>
> Not to the extent that we are seeing it right now. Also let's not
> forget, the President can only influence Congress on how to spend, how
> much to spend, and where to spend money. Congress is the only group that
> can actually spend the money. The President can't spend one penny of the
> treasuries money, only Congress can do that.
Remember Bush's original three page bailout plan?
He tried for the biggest executive power grab we'd have ever seen,
trying to circumvent that which you just stated.
Sure, then congress loaded it up with pork 'a plenty.
>
> >Only time will tell which ~$800 billion was best
> > spent (or most wasted).
>
> Please explain to me how throwing money at a bad situation has ever
> solved a problem. It never has, and it never will. We are seeing a
> repeat of 1929, except this time it will be worse.
>
> Also while you're at it, please explain to me how anyone with more then
> an ounce of grey matter in their head can toss around a number like $800
> Billion like it was $8.
I never said either one of them was a good idea. I don't pretent to
know.
Do you pretend to know?
How would you fix this mess?
Nobody knows. That's the problem. Nobody knows. Point to the guy who
knows. Where's the guy who knows?
> Say hello to Comrade Obama, he's your Saviour, your Messiah, not mine.
Saviours and Messiahs are for people who didn't pay attention in
science class. Truthfully, I don't think there's anything to save
what's happened to our country due to the lending greed that destroyed
our housing market, then destroyed Wall Street and the retirement
funds of countless people. We sold our industry to the lowest bidder
so our "industry" can be shuffling papers and making deals or at best
coming up with new ideas. We subcontracted our GNP. We even
subcontracted our military. Buy some stock in war. It's
recessionproof.
Months ago I told my story about my years in the mortgage business. I
knew what was going on was wrong but couldn't predict how badly it
would fuck us all. If you think I was just making that up, watch this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/13/60minutes/main4801309.shtml
Personally, I think we are screwed. And the blame goes back at least
to the era of Clinton and Bush 1, maybe (probably) further.
No, I'm not with any party. If I had to pick a party, I'd go with this
one... well, except for the vegetarian thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEep67akIn4
You betcha!
sturd
First:
>. Congress has been predominantly Democrat
> over the past 50 years or so
Then:
> You Sir are wrong! It's an even split 7 Republicans and 7 Democrats
> since the 1929 depression.
That's 80 years. Look at your original 50. Since '59 it's 28 to 20
Republifuck. Let's pick some other number and get the answer
you want again.
> I never said that "all" of our problems can be traced to Democrats, but
> "most" of them can.
That's not even true. Look close, it's exactly half. At least as far
as legislating and running the country is concerned.
Don't forget, Republifucks freed the slaves and lost the war
in Vietnam. Just as Democraps won WWII and created the
welfare state. Neither one is any better than the other in the
long term on getting anything right. That's not how the system
is set up.
Bev adds:
>Party is irrelevant, the bastards are ALL politicians
>and politicians survive on power and money, both
>of which are in plentiful supply as long as they
>keep getting elected.
Why didn't I just say that to begin with?
The Real Bev
> Mike Corey changes the argument:
>
> First:
>
All you had to do was ask! The world would be in much better shape if it would
just ask me what it should do and THEN DO IT.
--
Cheers, Bev
---------------------------------------
That's my opinion. Ought to be yours.
sturd
> The world would be in much better shape if it would
> just ask me what it should do and THEN DO IT.
The Real Bev for Supreme Ruler. All hail The Real Bev.
john
john
crap, now where's my checkbook
>"sturd" <in message news:
JayC
> thought that meant we had a breather. Apparently, that is only a
> petition put before the CPSC, which has NOT been approved by that same
> august body.
The notice on that link was dated several days before the law went
into effect. I think it was either just someones interpretation or a
letter of plea.
I don't know about all of the local shops, but the biggest Honda/
Suzuki shop in the area (4 locations) have all of their mini's off the
floor. The Kawi/Suzuki shop I pass every day still has 4-5 minis in
their parking lot, and the first row of bikes next to the front door
is the <100cc display. I stopped in Thursday and talked with an
employee about the new law - they didn't know anything about it, but
were going to do some research ASAP. I drove by today and the 'lil
bikes were still out front.
Evidently, the bicycling industry is taking the attitude that it
doesn't effect them, and are running as normal until someone tells
them otherwize. That's the way to go - the law DOES have to pass the
"sensible man" test, after all.
JayC
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev proclaims:
>
>> The world would be in much better shape if it would
>> just ask me what it should do and THEN DO IT.
>
> The Real Bev for Supreme Ruler. All hail The Real Bev.
Wanna be Prime Minister? As with all governments, there will be lots of room
for toadies and sycophants as well as low-level butt-smoochers!
--
Ch rs,
B v
=======================================
My f ck ng k yb rd h s l st ts v w ls.
The Real Bev
> bev gets a new bike & hot tub
> john
> crap, now where's my checkbook
Right back pocket. Check your email for my address.
>>"sturd" <in message news:
>
>> The Real Bev proclaims:
>>
>>
>>> The world would be in much better shape if it would
>>> just ask me what it should do and THEN DO IT.
>>
>> The Real Bev for Supreme Ruler. All hail The Real Bev.
--
sturd
> Evidently, the bicycling industry is taking the attitude that it
> doesn't effect them, and are running as normal until someone tells
> them otherwize. That's the way to go - the law DOES have to pass the
> "sensible man" test, after all.
I forgot that I was at the winter party at the local bicycle
shop last Friday (homebrew galore) and they said "we're not
worried about it even though our suppliers are whining about it."
DK trick bike on the floor my kid wants desperately.
Take that for what you paid for it.
sturd
> Wanna be Prime Minister? As with all governments, there will be lots of room
> for toadies and sycophants as well as low-level butt-smoochers!
Doesn't leave enough time for riding and I smooch enough butt
already besides.
scrape
wrote:
>> Tami found that too, posted a link to it here a few days ago, and I
>> thought that meant we had a breather. Apparently, that is only a
>> petition put before the CPSC, which has NOT been approved by that same
>> august body.
>
>The notice on that link was dated several days before the law went
>into effect. I think it was either just someones interpretation or a
>letter of plea.
>
>I don't know about all of the local shops, but the biggest Honda/
>Suzuki shop in the area (4 locations) have all of their mini's off the
>floor. The Kawi/Suzuki shop I pass every day still has 4-5 minis in
>their parking lot, and the first row of bikes next to the front door
>is the <100cc display. I stopped in Thursday and talked with an
>employee about the new law - they didn't know anything about it, but
>were going to do some research ASAP. I drove by today and the 'lil
>bikes were still out front.
Talked to the owner of one of the shops I frequent yesterday. He
said he was subject to a $100,000 fine on this. As such, if
anyone wants a CRF50 or the like, I can get you one for about
$102, 000.00.
>Evidently, the bicycling industry is taking the attitude that it
>doesn't effect them, and are running as normal until someone tells
>them otherwize. That's the way to go - the law DOES have to pass the
>"sensible man" test, after all.
All the stores that sell the chinese crap still have them on the
floor.
And I WANT the bicyclists to have to fight this too. Why should
they let us do all the work? And anything REI sells/markets to
kids.
Wudsracer
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>>On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:19:04 -0800 (PST), JayC wrote:
>>
>>The notice on that link was dated several days before the law went
>>into effect. I think it was either just someones interpretation or a
>>letter of plea.
>>
>>I don't know about all of the local shops, but the biggest Honda/
>>Suzuki shop in the area (4 locations) have all of their mini's off the
>>floor. The Kawi/Suzuki shop I pass every day still has 4-5 minis in
>>their parking lot, and the first row of bikes next to the front door
>>is the <100cc display. I stopped in Thursday and talked with an
>>employee about the new law - they didn't know anything about it, but
>>were going to do some research ASAP. I drove by today and the 'lil
>>bikes were still out front.
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>Scrape posted:
>
>Talked to the owner of one of the shops I frequent yesterday. He
>said he was subject to a $100,000 fine on this. As such, if
>anyone wants a CRF50 or the like, I can get you one for about
>$102, 000.00.
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Damnit Boy!!! That makes the $1,040.00 (including sales tax) that I
paid seem like a REAL bargain.
Jim Cook
Tree Dodger Rock Finder
Team LAGNAF
2006 Gas Gas DE300
Mike Corey
>>You Sir are wrong! It's an even split 7
>> Republicans and 7 Democrats since the
> 1929 depression.
>That's 80 years. Look at your original 50.
Fair enough, let's go back only 50 years. Since 1959 there has been 6
Republican Presidents and 5 Democrats. But it still doesn't change the
fact that Congress has been a Democrat majority over those same 50
years. Congress is the ones that write the laws, not the President.
>Since '59 it's 28 to 20 Republifuck.
28 plus 20 equals 48. We have had only 44 Presidents since day one.
Where the hell did you come up with 48?
>Let's pick some other number and get the
> answer you want again.
Me? You're the one that can't count! 48 Presidents? Geesh.
sturd
> >Since '59 it's 28 to 20 Republifuck.
>
> 28 plus 20 equals 48. We have had only 44 Presidents since day one.
> Where the hell did you come up with 48?
Years - you said 50. Add two more years of Ike and it's
30 to 20. Years. Republifick to Democrap.
Go ahead, pick another number and get the answer
you really wanted.
And how about that Phil Gramm? Repealed Glass-Steagall
(help from Clinton) then made credit default swaps unregulated
by putting in a zinger in the aptly named Commodity Futures
Modernization Act. AIG execs are 'on the beach' thanking
him every day.
One of your nice republicans, bet he's on Rush's speed
dial.
scrape
Starting to think you got a pretty good deal, aren't you?
BBR is still running full steam, for anyone interested, since
their products "aren't designed" for kids under 12.
Mike Corey
>Years - you said 50. Add two more years of
> Ike and it's 30 to 20. Years. Republifick to
> Democrap.
Yes you are correct when it comes to years of service, Republican VS.
Democrat. But you're still ignoring the very important fact that that
over those 50 years Congress has been a Democrat majority. Congress
writes the laws, not the present. Congress spends the money, not the
President.
We are now in a pissing match, and we will just have to agree to
disagree.
JayC
> said he was subject to a $100,000 fine on this. As such, if
> anyone wants a CRF50 or the like, I can get you one for about
> $102, 000.00.
>
> >Evidently, the bicycling industry is taking the attitude that it
> >doesn't effect them, and are running as normal until someone tells
> >them otherwize. That's the way to go - the law DOES have to pass the
> >"sensible man" test, after all.
No sensible man would assume that a lead-product child safety law
applies to the innards of a motor vehicle. As such, the law does not
apply. The gov't, even with their as-lf-late hammer and sickle
attitude, wouldn't fine a shop w/o a warning. Being that there has
been absolutely no notification of the application of this law, it
should be ignored. If I was a dealer or manufacturer, I'd definately
ignore this until I was officially told otherwise. Unfortunately, the
big-4 suppliers are taking the overly-safe route and implemeting a
response to the worse-case senario, not that I blame them - after all,
they ARE accustomed to having nuclear weapons dropped on them after
pissing off our govt...
JayC
sturd
>But you're still ignoring the very important fact that that
> over those 50 years Congress has been a Democrat majority.
I've acknowledged that. You are ignoring the fact that both
parties are totally fucked up and you can't blame one and
not the other, as you seem determined to do.
> Congress
> writes the laws, not the present. Congress spends the money, not the
> President.
No, the president spends it, congress appropriates it. Perhaps
your fundamental lack of knowledge of the way the US gov't
works is a part of your problem.
Go fast. Takes chances.
Mike S.
dfh...@optonline.net
> >>Say hello to Comrade Obama, he's your
> >> Saviour, your Messiah, not mine.
> >snip>
> It's the
> Left that calls Obama their Saviour and Messiah. When the Right does it,
> the few times they do, it's in jest. I'm just repeating what the Left
> says.
I must say that does not jive with my experience, here in RMD, or
anywhere else. I don't know where you hang out, though.
And hyperbole is the kind of humor that gets worn out quickly. Just a
hint. It wasn't even that funny the first time. Funny is a moving
target.
-dean
bad aim