Kickstarter won't stay in ride position
SNOman
into the start postion while riding and it's getting a bit dangerous e.g
you jump something and when landing the lever is in the way of your leg
and stops it bending forward.
When I take the lever off I can't see anything special that's supposed
to hold it in place while riding. Is there such a thing? The lever is
only about 2 years old.
Any info appreciated.
TIA
SNOman
Should have added that this is an XR350, sorry.
Joe Rooney
"SNOman" <spamme...@sodoff.com> wrote in message
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My XL600R had a broken spring inside that allowed the kick starter to wander
out into traffic. It isn't a big deal to replace it, but I had Honda of
Milpitas fix it.
Joe
SEXL600R
SNOman
Hmm, no spring inside my kickstart lever, can't really see a place for
one either.
Wudscrasher
I was gonna say...If it was a KTM, just throw the sucker away and lean it
against a tree....
Joe Rooney
It is inside the case on the kickstarter spline. It has been so long, I
can't remember all the symptoms, but it got progressively worse from just
dangling away from the closed position to finally not returning the
kickstarter.
I can't tell from my Honda manual if you can replace it without removing the
side cover. I could scan the picture, but it isn't alot of help. The
exploded view shows the spring clearly.
Joe
SEXL600R
SNOman
We might be talking at cross purposes here. The kickstart lever returns
to the upright position fine when kicked. It just doesn't stay tucked in
against the frame. How does a spring inside the case effect the
kickstart lever rotating on the vertical kickstart shaft?
Mike W.
wrote:
>> SEX
Snip everything else...
I'm going to give you two answers because as this thread has evolved,
uncertainty has entered the system (Heisenberg was a farging genius).
1. Why the end of the kick starter lever does not remain tucked in close
to the bike -- At the pivot point of the lever, there is a little channel
drilled into the part that slips over the shaft that it rotates around. In
that channel is a spring and a ball bearing (I wonder how they make ball
bearings actually...). The spring presses the ball against that shaft and
the shaft has a detent drilled into it so that when the lever is finally
in the "tucked in" position, it is held by the ball engaging that detent.
Maybe some crap got in there and is preventing the ball from engaging the
detent, or maybe you slipped the kick lever off that shaft earlier and let
the ball bearing escape?
2. Why the kick start lever may not travel from the bottom of the stroke
back to the top -- The return spring inside the case failed or some other
part failed causing either the spring to come loose or getting caught in
the return path.
Good luck.
Mike
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Mike W.
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74 CZ250 Enduro
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Joe Rooney
"Mike W." <outo...@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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Hijack our thread you m&*^%$ker, oh well, that's what I was going to say,
but I lost interest in theorizing the ins and out of kickstarters. BTW I
rode the thing to Rio Del Mar earlier today, no dirt, no mud, just Santa
Cruz and Aptos and the smelly beach.
Sgt Strahin should have got a medal. KIA Apr 1969. He and eight others that
died during my tour with the Blackhorse are forever remembered.
ALLONS!
Joe
SEXL600R
Mike W.
wrote:
>Hijack our thread you m&*^%$ker, oh well, that's what I was going to say,
My one on-topic reply in my entire RMD career and I get crapped on! Watch
your ass of the physics stuff will be back in a heart beat.
>but I lost interest in theorizing the ins and out of kickstarters. BTW I
>rode the thing to Rio Del Mar earlier today, no dirt, no mud, just Santa
>Cruz and Aptos and the smelly beach.
Cool... I went for a ride myself and ended up at Greg Plassmann's house
while I dodged something uncomfortably similar to spicey chicken and rice.
Rondeau's Dairy Bar... great hot dogs!
>
>Sgt Strahin should have got a medal. KIA Apr 1969. He and eight others that
>died during my tour with the Blackhorse are forever remembered.
It's good there's people still remembering them. WTG.
SNOman
> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:52:10 +1200, SNOman <spamme...@sodoff.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>SEX
>
>
> Snip everything else...
>
> I'm going to give you two answers because as this thread has evolved,
> uncertainty has entered the system (Heisenberg was a farging genius).
>
> 1. Why the end of the kick starter lever does not remain tucked in close
> to the bike -- At the pivot point of the lever, there is a little channel
> drilled into the part that slips over the shaft that it rotates around. In
> that channel is a spring and a ball bearing (I wonder how they make ball
> bearings actually...). The spring presses the ball against that shaft and
> the shaft has a detent drilled into it so that when the lever is finally
> in the "tucked in" position, it is held by the ball engaging that detent.
> Maybe some crap got in there and is preventing the ball from engaging the
> detent, or maybe you slipped the kick lever off that shaft earlier and let
> the ball bearing escape?
This is the issue.
I've never noticed any springs or ballbearings or any channels before.
This is the original lever though as I broke that one about 4 years ago.
It's a genuine honda replacement though. I have the kickstart lever off
evertime I ride too as i have to wrap insulating tape around the spindle
to tighten up the movement of the kickstart lever so that it stays tight
into the frame. The tape only lasts for a day.
Mike W.
wrote:
>
>I've never noticed any springs or ballbearings or any channels before.
The symptom indicates that at least the ball is missing. It's not big.. at
least on my XR, it's probably a 2-3 mm ball tops.
>This is the original lever though as I broke that one about 4 years ago.
>It's a genuine honda replacement though. I have the kickstart lever off
>evertime I ride too as i have to wrap insulating tape around the spindle
>to tighten up the movement of the kickstart lever so that it stays tight
>into the frame. The tape only lasts for a day.
I'm a little surprised that you can get some tape in there. I thought the
lever and the "knuckle" that it attaches to had a snugger fit than that.
In any event, it should be very straightforward to get this operating
correctly.. just take it apart... look real close. Get your hands on a
diagram of the lever if you can so you can see where the spring/ball go.
One of the parts web sites should have a diagram. Good luck.
SNOman
Thanks for you assistance
Mike W.
wrote:
>
>
>Thanks for you assistance
Happy to... hail me again if you get stuck after you take a close look and
check out the diagram.
Joe Rooney
Crap,
I had a diagram, nobody asked.
Joe
SEXL600R
SNOman
Can you scan it? :-)
Mike W.
wrote:
>
>Can you scan it? :-)
I have a moderate quality .gif I can send you that shows the
spring/ball... got a real email address?
SNOman
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:57:30 +1200, SNOman <spamme...@sodoff.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Can you scan it? :-)
>
>
> I have a moderate quality .gif I can send you that shows the
> spring/ball... got a real email address?
Yep. davidATterrestrialD0TcoDOTnz
Thanks
Paul Kemp
the frame and bend it over into a hook to capture the kick lever.. It
can be easily bent by hand each time you need to use the kickstarter.
Paul Kemp
Financially Challenged Rider