JR50 vs. PW50 - Other experiences? - Long
Mike P.
over the PW because it had a "Real" rear brake. It seemed important at
the time and seems even more so now. We ride a lot of hills because we
have to. My son picked up on the rear brake quickly and now has very
good touch, even when going down slippery grades.
Last week I bought a 96 PW50, well, basically because it was such a good
deal. Our first ride in the hills today was less than fun due to the
fact that my boy was having some trouble getting used to using the hand
brake on the long slippery down hills. He pitched it twice going down a
hill that we have negotiated dozens of times on his JR.
Maybe it's just because he learned on the JR, but isn't the "Right"
place for the brake under our feet?
The only reason that I can think of for putting the brake on the bar is
that a beginner needs to have both of his/her feet on the ground while
having full access to the rear brake. In my mind this teaches foot
dragging/stabbing and not "Foot peg" riding.
I like the PW for its good looks, power, and ease of starting. My 38
lb. riding partner can actually start the PW on his own. The JR takes a
much harder kick to start. The PW also is a little "Snappier".
Are there any foot brake kits for PWs? Any hop up kits for JRs?
I would like to hear from others on this subject.
92 KX250
84 XR250
98 JR50
96 PW50
MX Tuner
wrote:
>Maybe it's just because he learned on the JR, but isn't the "Right"
>place for the brake under our feet?
Nope, it's just different.
>The only reason that I can think of for putting the brake on the bar is
>that a beginner needs to have both of his/her feet on the ground while
>having full access to the rear brake. In my mind this teaches foot
>dragging/stabbing and not "Foot peg" riding.
I would be more concerned with not getting injured and teaching
confidence more than proper technique at that level.
MX Tuner
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have any problem learning the Foot brake.
...
>Maybe it's just because he learned on the JR, but isn't the "Right"
>place for the brake under our feet?
>
>The only reason that I can think of for putting the brake on the bar is
>that a beginner needs to have both of his/her feet on the ground while
>having full access to the rear brake. In my mind this teaches foot
>dragging/stabbing and not "Foot peg" riding.
>
RJKNAPIK
did. I wanted him to learn the RIGHT! way from the start. There is allot you
can do to make the JR rip!! First off you have a second gear on that bike
take off the side cover and you can grid away the shift plate so it looks
symmetrical and this will give you second gear you shift up from neutral for
it. The motor is super weak it stock form so hears what ya need to do. The
first off make sure you've offed the washer in the exhaust port. The JR
comes equipped with miserable port timing.
I think the transfers are like 90 deg. and the exhaust 130. So get friendly
with your local machine shop your gona want to build a spacer plate for the
bottom of your cylinder. Your gona want your port timing at roughly 130
trans and 170. You'll them have to machine the head and top of the cylinder
to get your comp. back up 185lbs is good much more than that and you'll have
a problem overheating. Also while you have the cylinder off you'll have to
lower your intake port to make up for rising the cylinder the norm here is
about 1/2 the distance you raised it.
also widen the exhaust port were it exits to the pipe you don't need to mess
with the opening at the sleeve but it narrows allot before it hits the pipe.
Junk the air box and put a clamp on style filter. Then of coarse rejet. And
finally dyno port has a pipe but its pretty pricey at $189.00.
Feel free to email if you have any ???
TBob
"96" KTM 550
"96" JR 50
Robert....@intel.com
Mike P. wrote:
> I bought my 4 year old son a '98 JR50 six months ago. I picked the JR
> over the PW because it had a "Real" rear brake. It seemed important at
> the time and seems even more so now. We ride a lot of hills because we
> have to. My son picked up on the rear brake quickly and now has very
> good touch, even when going down slippery grades.
>
> Last week I bought a 96 PW50, well, basically because it was such a good
> deal. Our first ride in the hills today was less than fun due to the
> fact that my boy was having some trouble getting used to using the hand
> brake on the long slippery down hills. He pitched it twice going down a
> hill that we have negotiated dozens of times on his JR.
>
Hanse
RJKNAPIK wrote in message <36AC94B1...@sedona.intel.com>...
a 50 like that, it would be easier to buy a 70 or 80 CC.......you guys have
to remember, you're not riding the thing, it's a 3-4-5 year old kid, they
are happy just riding the thing at that age, they don't have to go rocketing
around at that age, those bikes are for learning how to ride. just my
opinion here.
Matt
99 YZ400
99 PW50
Mike P.
> >place for the brake under our feet?
>
>
> >that a beginner needs to have both of his/her feet on the ground while
> >having full access to the rear brake. In my mind this teaches foot
> >dragging/stabbing and not "Foot peg" riding.
>
> confidence more than proper technique at that level.
>
> MX Tuner
Thanks for the input but I don't agree that "Hand brake = confidence".
Have you watched a 4 year old, or anybody for that matter trying to
downhill with their feet stabbing or paddleing? The rider is bound to
get bucked by the rising rear as he/she crosses ruts or bumps. My guess
is that teaching my boy to be "On the pegs" while on the brakes is much
more important to his confidence because he is in the correct position
and will stay with the bike as the rear rises and falls.
Thanks again for the input. I just think that Suzuki has it "Right"
when it comes to the rear brake. The PW seems to be a better performer
right off the showroom floor. If I can fabricate or find a rear brake
pedal for the PW I will certainly install it.
MX Tuner
wrote:
>Thanks for the input but I don't agree that "Hand brake = confidence".
I didn't mean "hand brake = confidence". I meant being able to brake
with either/both feet off the pegs can be beneficial to a young guy
(or girl) when trying to stop in less than ideal conditions (ie feet
off the pegs).
Seems you're more worried about someone who is more familiar with
riding. Not that you shouldn't be, but I'm thinking about someone just
learning.
>Thanks again for the input. I just think that Suzuki has it "Right"
>when it comes to the rear brake.
Nope just different. Both are meant to be bikes for someone who has
never ridden before. For someone concerned with staying upright,
keeping the feet on the pegs is opposite ones instincts. I agree
better control is had with the feet on the pegs (and standing up) but
a true first timer won't be doing that as much or in panic situations.
MX Tuner
Mike P.
Thanks for responding Matt but I have to disagree with the part about my
boy not caring about the power.
My son loves riding the PW because it "Goes faster". It is indeed
"Snappier" than the JR. He can feel it and I can see the it. We would
not have this problem if I hadn't bought the PW. My son would never
know the difference and neither would I. They are different feeling
bikes and my son happens to like the power of the PW and the controls of
the JR. Since he learned on the JR, he is a great "On the Pegs" rider.
Having the brake under the foot forces that issue.
A 70cc or 80cc bike is out of the question. My boy is not even tall
enough to "Flat foot" on his little JR. I realize completely that a
bigger bike will be needed soon, but for now he needs that 19" seat
height. Believe me, he has sat on the little KTM 50 many times, and I'm
sure we will get one when his legs grow a little more. He is good
enough to handle a little more power but absolutely no more seat height.
Thanks again - I wish I had a YZ 400!
Mike
Dave Chasse
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Any hop up kits for JRs?
Dude!! Have you pulled out the restrictors out of the exhaust and carb
yet? Dynoport makes a pipe for the Jr50 that goes way up on volume. Its
supposed to wake up the engine quite a bit.
dave dude
96yz250
85KX60
83JR50
Mike P.
>
> Also, doesn't Yamaha make a 60cc piston that will plug and play right
> into that pw-50?
>
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Well, I don't know, but it is the JR that I want to improve. The PW has
great power!
Richard Mauri
We started with the exhaust spacer out, but we put
it back in and had him progress to the point we're we
took it out. The dealer and the manual make no mention
of any carb restrictor. What's the deal with that?
We went riding this past weekend, and he got so much mud in
the countershaft sprocket cover/chain/rear wheel that the
little motor couldn't move the whell anymore. I can
see him outgrowing the bike fast.
He too could only touch the ground on the jr and the pw50.
We liked the controls on the jr too.
Dave Dude
wrote:
>Santa delivered a '99 JR50 for my 4 yr old boy.
>We started with the exhaust spacer out, but we put
>it back in and had him progress to the point we're we
>took it out. The dealer and the manual make no mention
>of any carb restrictor. What's the deal with that?
Well I had heard(doesn't mean it true) that there was a resistrictor
in the carb to keep the slide from opening up all the way. I checked
my JR50 carb and the slide did indeed open all the way. I assumed the
restrictor(if there ever was one) had been removed.
>
>We went riding this past weekend, and he got so much mud in
>the countershaft sprocket cover/chain/rear wheel that the
>little motor couldn't move the whell anymore. I can
>see him outgrowing the bike fast.
Nothing like a good mud ride!!<G>
>
>He too could only touch the ground on the jr and the pw50.
>We liked the controls on the jr too.
My daughter is 8 yrs old-and too big for the JR. She loves the bike
though so thats cool. I've got everything raise up as high as it will
go and added a spacer under the seat to help. Suzuki makes two
oversizes(pistons) for the JR, I had the cylinder bored to match the
next oversize from stock and had the head shaved just a bit to bump
the compression. It REALLY needs the Dynoport pipe and though pricey I
may do it as the XR70 I want to get for her is still out of reach for
me right now. I had thought about changing the auto-clutch spring
tension so the clutch engages at higher rpm, Suzuki does not offer
different tension springs so I'm on my own there. I have the bastard
83 model with the pull start and no shift lever. Factory Suzuki
manuals suck, I've been over and over the microfiche at the dealers
which leave out tons of details on my model like the "saftey start"
cabling to the brake pedal. Watch out for the two pilot jets, there is
one screwed in on top of another and it is easy to loose the small
one, I did, but it has not made any difference. The carb is prone to
get water in it so pay special attention to that when washing the
bike. Good luck.
Dave Dude
96yz250
85KX60
83JR50
BULSEYE1
intended, teaching basic riding, them when they are ready and big enough buy a
real race 50. Like a corbra or lem or Ktm. My son has bent 2 pw 50 frames to
the point they had to be replaced. He did this jumping and I honestly never
rode or sat on it, really!
Tim
94 Cr 125
90 Xr200
98 Lem 50