table or radial-arm saw?
XR650L_Dave
greatest worry- keeping 10 fingers.
Mostly little projects, molding, shelves, etc.
Thoughts?
-DDave
-keith
>least worry- ripping 4x8 sheets of plywood
You can rip a 4x8 with a skill-saw and a 2x2 guide screwed-on....
>greatest worry- keeping 10 fingers.
Seeing as how I've been doing lately, me too - watch out bread-knife!
I should move to the UK where pointy knives are banned, only it's not
the pointy part that gets ya...
>Mostly little projects, molding, shelves, etc.
>
>Thoughts?
The new miter saws that can move around and cut angles with lasers are
way-cool and tend to keep the digits out of the wood-steel interface.
>-DDave
-keith
SC_Tom
"XR650L_Dave" <spamT...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Saw All works for ripping 4 X 8 sheets of plywood (and every thing else).
The problem with a table saw or radial arm saw is the size and where to
store it when not in use. YMMV
Tom
David
I miss the radial arm saw most.
I recently bought a miter saw.
between that and my skill saw, I can still make all the cuts I could with
both of the other machines.
Just my thoughts.
David.
(making a motorcycle out of wood, he is)
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oldfart
or two several decades ago and the problem that I encountered with them
was when cutting a small piece say an inch or so the small piece would,
on occasion, dance over into the blade and cause all kinds of mayhem.
Regardless, If you wish to continue riding dirtbikes (and I will until
they pry my cold dead fingers off of the handlebars) always wear
eyeprotection and keep your fingers a safe distance from the blades. I
have seen table saw kick backs that put a piece of wood the size of a 2
x 4 into a wall. Imagine standing directly behind saw. Oww. OF
David
David.
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Plowboy
tough call, a good version of either can do anything (almost) the other
can do, just have the patience & money to setup accessories, fences, or
guides on each. personally for home puttering? probably vote radial arm,
But they take up a whole wall... unless like you said, you "might" cut more
and more 4x8 plywood than anything else? then table.
and really it comes down to preference on how you cut? I hated and was
nervous around table saws for a long time, because of the instructor I
learned under "MR. Kickback" probably over emphazied the probability of it
on the table saws... however I can see losing a finger (actually the thumb
making it hard to ride...) really fast/easy on a radial arm saw (because the
spinning blade on these, also kind of help draw the blade into the wood.
Kind of assisted amputation if you forget where your fingers are, where a
table saw you pretty much have to 'force' the wood and your fingers into the
blade, that is My opinion...
In woods class, we made a at least half our projects, ( like freshman year,
say small dresser or jewelry box) exclusively on each of these 2 saws, and
when done, they had to go together... this gave us the.... what is it
called, damnit, ah um, proficiency levels as we learned safety and use of
the powertools and such... and our final grades that year were only 'fine
tuned' as we assembled and finished our projects (ie float needle adjsutment
vs jet [to get us on forum topic hehee])... parts of the project(s) we did
each year was used to gain proficiencey on other tools, from routers to
planers and hack saws...
-keith enlightened us with:
oldfart
blade and fence and then things can get scary. OF
-keith
>And if you're not careful it can get a little piece caught between the
>blade and fence and then things can get scary. OF
If you wanna do small stuff you need a small saw:
http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=80463
or
http://www.preac.com/table_saw.htm
or
http://work.colum.edu/~matma/museum/tablesaw.shtml
HTH
zod...@yahoo.com
kind of plastic base and cast alum top. You can pick it up and carry
with one hand, stores away on a shelf very nicely. I don't really want
to lose the room a radial arm would take up and ripping with one can
get interesting. I've got an old hitachi miter saw for crosscuts and
miters and since full sheets of plywood are too big for the makita I
usually use one of those aluminum cutting guides, spring clamps and a
skil saw if I want to be fussy.
The makita will rip a 2x4 @ 45 deg satisfactorily with a sharp blade,
the first thing I $hitcan is the bladeguard and anti kickback pawls.
Kickbacks never been a problem for me, I usually set the far side of
the fence a little loose and keep the highside of a warped board
against the fence, stuff narrower than 3" use a push stick. If you want
to re-rip really skinny pieces they have finger boards though I've
never used one. I've got some sawhorses made from 3/4" wafer board that
interlock together and knock down flat for storage that I set the saw
on. They're very sturdy even after being sawn thru numerous times. The
tops are 12" wide or deep, the legs about 16 @ the base tapering to 8"
or so at the top and 36" tall, splayed out about 10 degrees. If you lay
it out right you can get about 2 pairs out
of a sheet minus the tops for the second pair.
To get back on bikes, Good Job with the XRL advice you post around,
keep it coming, Dean K.
john
a skill saw with straight edge & C clamps
works well for ripping 4x8's
haven't used the table saw since i built the house
i have used the others...
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HardWorkingDog
"XR650L_Dave" <spamT...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If I could only have one shop saw, it'd be a table saw. Radial arm saws
are best for cross cutting, but are pretty useless to rip boards. Say you
want an 8" deep shelf, 6' long. You buy a nice piece of 1x12 pine, table
saw's the tool of choice to make it 8" wide.
The Makita 8-1/4 saw is nice, DeWalt makes an even better one. Then save
up for a miter saw--the Hitachi sliding compound is my favorite--and
you'll be set.
Don't worry--they're all pretty good at slicing off body parts.
--
Charles
'99 YZ250
CrashTestDummy
wrote:
As a former cabinet maker, I'd say a table saw is almost always
more versatile. Da-do cuts and ripping plywood is easier. But that
said, the typical home owner/hobbyist usually doesn't need a table
saw. Like others have said, a compound mitre saw and a circular saw
can do pretty much anything you need and require a lot less working
space.
I *heard* all sorts of kick-back horror stories, but never
experienced a one in all my woodworking days. But then I never get in
a hurry working around equipment like this, always pay attention and I
had good early instruction. Admittedly though, I'd much rather use a
radial arm or mitre saw.
In our high school wood shop class we watched a kid saw two of his
fingers off... on a band saw!!!! A BAND SAW, fer chrissakes!!! Of
course this same kid also ran into the flagpole in front of the school
at lunchtime once while playing football with his equally nerdy
friends. Got a concussion and a grotesque lump above his eye. Poor
bastard.
CrashTestDummy (aka-Fred)
f.j.bradf...@verizon.net
CrashTestDummy
By the way, whenever I need a board ripped I plan in advance and
just have the idiot at Home Depot do it for me when I buy the wood.
This won't do you much good for wood you already have or stuff that
the Depot dude is unwilling to rip though.
CrashTestDummy (aka-Fred)
f.j.bradf...@verizon.net
The Real Bev
>
> In our high school wood shop class we watched a kid saw two of his
> fingers off... on a band saw!!!! A BAND SAW, fer chrissakes!!! Of
> course this same kid also ran into the flagpole in front of the school
> at lunchtime once while playing football with his equally nerdy
> friends. Got a concussion and a grotesque lump above his eye. Poor
> bastard.
I know two musicians who lost fingers in woodworking accidents. The
pianist/harpsichordist made a glove with two wooden fingers included, but the
Juillard-trained violinist had to switch hands. Bet you didn't know there are
left-handed violins...
--
Cheers,
Bev
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Other Tom
Tom
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Don Stauffer
I bought Craftsman's best radial arm saw, scared the shit (oops - crap)
out of myself trying to rip with it.
Never happier since I sold it and bought a Delta Contractor's table saw.
That plus a chop saw and cheap ole circular saw, you in bidness.
-dhs
Dean H.
Thank you Don.
I didn't want to be the first to say it.
Table saw and a compound miter saw on rails will do almost every operation
you could need, as well or better than a radial arm saw. If you are missing
a couple of moves, get a router table instead. Radial arm saws are, like,
welding with OA.
CrashTestDummy
<bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>I know two musicians who lost fingers in woodworking accidents. The
>pianist/harpsichordist made a glove with two wooden fingers included, but the
>Juillard-trained violinist had to switch hands. Bet you didn't know there are
>left-handed violins...
I did not. But since there are left-handed guitars I may have made
the assumption. I suppose there are left-handed banjos too?
CrashTestDummy (aka-Fred)
f.j.bradf...@verizon.net
Andy Waddell
hand tools either). They're absolute crap. 20 years ago the Craftsman name
meant decent homeowner-level quality. Now it means crap that'll break then
piss you off when you attempt to get a new one (that's also gonna break
quickly) with their "lifetime warranty".
Point here is you're better off buying a slightly-used contractor grade
table saw than a cheap new one; you're better off NOT buying a Craftsman
power tool and waiting 'til you can find/afford something better. Many
larger metro areas have used tool stores; all areas have large "used for
sale" papers for cars, trucks, tools, this, that, and the other thing...you
know, the big thick local one at your 7-11 called "Tradin' Times" or
whatever. You'll find used tools there.
--
ADW
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Dean H.
>>pianist/harpsichordist made a glove with two wooden fingers included, but
>>the
>>Juillard-trained violinist had to switch hands. Bet you didn't know there
>>are
>>left-handed violins...
>
> I did not. But since there are left-handed guitars I may have made
> the assumption. I suppose there are left-handed banjos too?
Uh, just string them backwards, yes?
I think Jimi strung his axe backwards...
HardWorkingDog
ktm...@nospam.comcast.net wrote:
> That's easy - table saw.
>
> I bought Craftsman's best radial arm saw, scared the shit (oops - crap)
> out of myself trying to rip with it.
>
> Never happier since I sold it and bought a Delta Contractor's table saw.
> That plus a chop saw and cheap ole circular saw, you in bidness.
The only thing I'd add to that is that Makita and Dewalt make good quality
"portable" table saws that take up much less room than a Delta table saw.
They're amazingly good. The fence on the DeWalt is almost as good as a
Biesemeyer. They stow away pretty small, and then you can clamp it to a
couple sawhorses, get an inexpensive outfeed roller, and you can do a lot.
--
Charles
'99 YZ250
Chris Buckley
The Real Bev wrote:
Bet you didn't know there are
> left-handed violins...
>
Yes I did, usually they're just just reworked right hand models. Other
than stringed instruments, the only left handed musical instrument I
have ever seen, was a left handed Accordion.
The late Jerry Garcia was missing most of the middle finger on his right
hand.
The Real Bev
>
> <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >I know two musicians who lost fingers in woodworking accidents. The
> >pianist/harpsichordist made a glove with two wooden fingers included, but the
> >Juillard-trained violinist had to switch hands. Bet you didn't know there are
> >left-handed violins...
>
> I did not. But since there are left-handed guitars I may have made
> the assumption. I suppose there are left-handed banjos too?
I would guess. I once read a book of instructions for making a violin, which
included instructions for making the tools for making a violin. The belly
isn't of uniform thickness, and the variation reflects verious things that I
don't remember, but it's not just a matter of reversing the strings.
It sucks when anybody loses useful body parts, but it seems doubly tragic for
it to happen to a musician. We ALL lose then.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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