Off-road to street legal conversion
ROSSKURT
Anyone have any experience in converting off-road bikes to street legal?
I have a 1989 YZ250 WR. It's a great bike, but my hare scramble days are
mostly behind me. Good riding areas are not real close,and I'd like to be
able to just head down the road and find some trails to ride.
Any help with ideas on what all is required to get the bike street legal
will be appreciated. I live in Texas, and only have a non-negotiable
title, as I bought the bike used. Thoughts on how to get all the
paperwork done also would be helpful. Thanks.
Roger Leedy
J.H.
I know of a company called Baja Designs out of San Diego (800)422-5292 or www.electriciti.com/~bajades
They sell a lighting kit for about $380 comes w/everything needed except (D.O.T.)tires and left side mirror
I just bought the kit for my 86' XR 600. It's alot of money but, It's worth it. As far as paperwork
their web page gives great info on what to do, also paperwork comes with the kit
You put the lights, tires, & mirror on, get a saftey inspection (cop will come over and look at your bike and
tell you if everything is okay) go to DMV or secretary of state(MI), or whatever change title from an
offroad vehicle to a normal motorcycle title, get insurance, go back to DMV get registration, plate & tabs.
That's it. (You may also need a cycle endorsement to ride a motorcycle. I did, for Michigan, had to take
a 40 Question test on motorcycle stuff and then make an appointment to go through a driving test w/bike
going through cones and stopping within a certain distances) THAT'S IT.
asta,
JEFF
George Rodriguez
ross...@aol.com (ROSSKURT) writes:
> Anyone have any experience in converting off-road bikes to street legal?
> I have a 1989 YZ250 WR. It's a great bike, but my hare scramble days are
> mostly behind me. Good riding areas are not real close,and I'd like to be
> able to just head down the road and find some trails to ride.
>
> Any help with ideas on what all is required to get the bike street legal
> will be appreciated. I live in Texas, and only have a non-negotiable
> title, as I bought the bike used. Thoughts on how to get all the
> paperwork done also would be helpful. Thanks.
>
> Roger Leedy
Hi Roger,
I was interested in the same type of conversion for a
Yamaha IT175, and I came across a web site that describes
kits for Honda XRs:
http://www.amcc.com/emps/jeremyh/xr600/xr600.html
If you find out any more about this let me know.
George
rodr...@lanl.gov
Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
Although I live thousands of miles away from the USA I am pretty sure
that 2 strokes are not legal for road use over there, therefore although
you may be able to convert a dirtbike to make it street legal it would
not be the case for a YZ or an IT.
Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
Brett Miller - N7OLQ
Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell wrote:
> Although I live thousands of miles away from the USA I am pretty sure
> that 2 strokes are not legal for road use over there, therefore although
> you may be able to convert a dirtbike to make it street legal it would
> not be the case for a YZ or an IT.
I used to have a factory street legal 2 stroke - Yamaha DT400. What a
screamer that was! I could blow away anyhting on the road (at least for
the first 100 feet anyway). So there must be some provision for street
legal 2 strokes.
--
Brett Miller - N7OLQ brett_...@ccm.ut.intel.com
Intel Corp. CIS: 73370,3030
American Fork, UT
George Rodriguez
> Although I live thousands of miles away from the USA I am pretty sure
> that 2 strokes are not legal for road use over there, therefore although
> you may be able to convert a dirtbike to make it street legal it would
> not be the case for a YZ or an IT.
>
I clearly remember 2-stroke enduros being street legal in states (at
least in L.A. CA where I used to live) about a decade ago. My buddy had
a Suzuki 175 street legal 2-stroke enduro (although I can't remember the
model) and I had a Honda 4-stroke XL185 street legal enduro. Maybe the
laws have changed since then, but I know that some 2-stroke enduros were
legal a decade ago
George Rodriguez
rodr...@lanl.gov
Pete Plassman
In article <31B767...@lanl.gov>, rodr...@lanl.gov says...
2 strokes are illegal? Somebody better tell my bikes. I currently have
the following registered for road use: 1979 Yamaha RD400F, 1984 Yamaha
RZV500R, 1989 Yamaha YZ250WR. It's really not that hard. Just takes
time and determination.
Pete P.
Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
I never said 2 strokes where never street-legal in the US I said they are
illegal now. This of course doesn't apply to bikes that where bought
before the law was passed. Try buying a brand new CR-250 and make it
street legal.
Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
Pete Plassman
In article <31BD02...@ibm.net>, arg...@ibm.net says...
Is that a dare? Give me a brand new CR250, and I will make it so!
Depends on what state you live in though.
Pete P.
Alan Roach
It is not legal for manufacturers to sell two strokes over 50cc in
displacement for use on the street. However, a private parting
converting his two stroke motorcycle to street use is still allowed in
nearly all 50 states. The motorcycle must meet the state's requirements
for lighting and equipment, which is fairly simple to do. No state that
I know of has a motorcycle emission inspection nor a stipulation that you
cannot license a two stroke under the Reconstructed Vehicle titleing
process. I currently have a 94 CR 250 and a WR 250 licensed for the
street in California, and we have licensed over 5000 dirt bikes for
street use throughout the country and Canada (some provinces are not
doable, as well as some states due to VIN # restrictions). Call Baja
Designs if you want more info (619-792-0213).
Happy trails,
Alan Roach
Jeremy Hansen
George Rodriguez (rodr...@lanl.gov) wrote:
: ross...@aol.com (ROSSKURT) writes:
: > Anyone have any experience in converting off-road bikes to street legal?
: > I have a 1989 YZ250 WR. It's a great bike, but my hare scramble days are
: > mostly behind me. Good riding areas are not real close,and I'd like to be
: > able to just head down the road and find some trails to ride.
: >
: > Any help with ideas on what all is required to get the bike street legal
: > will be appreciated. I live in Texas, and only have a non-negotiable
: > title, as I bought the bike used. Thoughts on how to get all the
: > paperwork done also would be helpful. Thanks.
The law prohibits the manufacturing of street legal 2-strokes, but there
currently is not a law for the licensing of 2-strokes converted to be
street legal, so it is possible. Talk to Baja Designs for the details -
they even have custom kits available for different 2-stroke makes and
models.
--
Jeremy Hansen jer...@amcc.com
Technology Group Applied Micro Circuits Corp
http://www.amcc.com/emps/jeremyh/ http://www.amcc.com/
Neil Wig
> >Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
>
> Is that a dare? Give me a brand new CR250, and I will make it so!
>
> Depends on what state you live in though.
>
> Pete P.
Well Pete, if you live in Canada, you would be SOL. Unless you have a DOT
sticker on the frame, or are willing to use your bike for crash testing,
there is no chance you will ever get the bike on the street. I tried this
with a KDX200, with head light and tail lights. Now if you wanted to work
a bit of a scam ....cut the serial number off of a 250cc street bike,
stick it on your CR250, and licence it as a modified street bike, that
might fly.
Mark O'Connor
hc...@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca (Neil Wig) says:
From my perspective, it is purely a matter of the lienency (sp?) of the
individual state. Some states, no problem. Other states, not a chance.
I think the ban on new 2 strokes being street-illegal began in 84 or 85.
That makes Pete's RD and RZ grandfathered in. A later model is a bit
more tricky to tag. But it can be done.
Sam
licensed here in California...Both at DS events. Now, thinking that it
was a quick change with a LEGALLY licensed bike I ask the guys riding
them.. Basically they put Baja Design's kits on their bikes, spark
arrestors, etc..and MT-21 DOT tires...Went to the DMV and got them
legally licensed.
Also, I no a guy here locally in San Diego that has an Aprila (I
think that's how it's spelled!) 500 twin 2-stroke RACE bike w/turn
signals, etc. Legally licensed... It's a European race bike w/Suzuki
motor from what I have heard. Carbon fiber exhaust, etc. etc.
Probably the quickest street bike I have ever seen, and the lightest.
So YMMV on getting a 2-stroke licensed, but it can be done here in
California (which is one of the toughest!)
..>Sam '93 DR350S
ATVDSOT
In article <4pn86j$b...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Alan Roach
<bajad...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Alan,
As we all know (or should know), it won't be legal to get a CA green
sticker for two-strokes manufactured after 1-1-97. Does this mean that I
can put a kit on a two-stroke, get it street registered, then pull the
stuff off and run my two-stroke in any green sticker legal area, since all
green sticker areas can be legally ridden on with a street registered
machine?
- Don Williams, Editor, Feet Up! Magazine
Pete Plassman
In article <4psgp7$k...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, sa...@ix.netcom.co
says...
>
> Well to add my 2 cents worth... I have see 2 CR500's, and 2 RMX's
>licensed here in California...Both at DS events. Now, thinking that it
>was a quick change with a LEGALLY licensed bike I ask the guys riding
>them.. Basically they put Baja Design's kits on their bikes, spark
>arrestors, etc..and MT-21 DOT tires...Went to the DMV and got them
>legally licensed.
>
> Also, I no a guy here locally in San Diego that has an Aprila (I
>think that's how it's spelled!) 500 twin 2-stroke RACE bike w/turn
>signals, etc. Legally licensed... It's a European race bike w/Suzuki
>motor from what I have heard. Carbon fiber exhaust, etc. etc.
>Probably the quickest street bike I have ever seen, and the lightest.
Um, I believe that's a 250. Aprilia does make a 500 class GP bike, but
there are only two in the world right now, and it only displaces 400cc.
Not that I wouldn't kill to have the 250, though. Beautiful bike. See
test in Motorcycle Online.
Pete P.
Sam
In <1996Jun17....@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
pplassm%n...@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Pete Plassman) writes:
>Um, I believe that's a 250. Aprilia does make a 500 class GP bike,
but
>there are only two in the world right now, and it only displaces
400cc.
>
>Not that I wouldn't kill to have the 250, though. Beautiful bike.
See
>test in Motorcycle Online.
>
>Pete P.
>
Yup you're right. I checked and it is indeed a 250! It is a very
quick/light street bike!
...Sam
William Lane
I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
XR600. They said even though I'd passed the DMV and state
regs regarding motorcycles that was irrelevant, in their
eyes it was still an off-road only bike (like the sticked
sticker on the frame says), they stated the next time they
saw me on the street w/my XR600 it was the lockup, not for
me but for the bike. Can you say impound?
Caribou1
If you've got license, registration and inspection they can't touch you.
Otherwise, I'll send you a quart of oil with a file in it...
Caribou 78 KTM 250 (AHRMA 626) "Katie"
95 KTM 300 MX/C "Sissy"
90 Intruder 1400 "Suzie"
Lynn 96 XR100 "Putt-Putt"
Sam
In <4q9vfb$a...@hatathli.csulb.edu> wl...@csulb.edu (William Lane)
writes:
> I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
>XR600. They said even though I'd passed the DMV and state
>regs regarding motorcycles that was irrelevant, in their
>eyes it was still an off-road only bike (like the sticked
>sticker on the frame says), they stated the next time they
>saw me on the street w/my XR600 it was the lockup, not for
>me but for the bike. Can you say impound?
>
If you meet the DMV regulations, and have a licensed vehicle, WHAT
law are you breaking?? Nada, none... Unless you're riding recklessly,
or non-DOT tires...
My $02 cents.
I have gotten harassed by cops out here in San Diego over my
DR350S!!! It's a manufactured street legal bike... Now I have done
some mods to it, but it is fully legal.
Let 'em ticket you or impound.
You'd be riding a new bike after the law suit was settled :)
..Sam '93 DR350s
"Can't wait until the LA-B to V!!!"
ATVDSOT
In article <4q9vfb$a...@hatathli.csulb.edu>, wl...@csulb.edu (William Lane)
wrote:
> I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
> XR600. They said even though I'd passed the DMV and state
> regs regarding motorcycles that was irrelevant, in their
> eyes it was still an off-road only bike (like the sticked
> sticker on the frame says), they stated the next time they
> saw me on the street w/my XR600 it was the lockup, not for
> me but for the bike. Can you say impound?
No. Can you say AMA? Why don't you write them about this? What
jurisdiction was this? I'd call the watch commander and read his ass the
riot act. This is outrageous and completely pisses me off.
- Don Williams
Owner, street-legalized Thumper Racing XR280
Frank Ball
On 19 Jun 1996 22:37:31 GMT, William Lane (wl...@csulb.edu) @ wl...@csulb.edu wrote:
& I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
& XR600. They said even though I'd passed the DMV and state
& regs regarding motorcycles that was irrelevant, in their
& eyes it was still an off-road only bike (like the sticked
& sticker on the frame says), they stated the next time they
& saw me on the street w/my XR600 it was the lockup, not for
& me but for the bike. Can you say impound?
Your in CA right? I've heard there is a bulletin printed by the CHP
explaining how to go about converting a dirt bike to a dual sport bike.
I forget the number of the paper, 888 or something. The DMV or CHP
might be able to get you a copy. Keep a copy with you when you ride.
You ARE legal.
________________________________________________________________________
Frank Ball 1UR-M fra...@sr.hp.com (707) 794-4168 work
Hewlett Packard (707) 794-4848 fax (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive Yamaha XT350 YZF600R Seca_750 Kawasaki KDX200
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 KC6WUG, AMA, DoD #7566, NMLRA, I'm the NRA.
IMPULSE
William Lane wrote:
>
> I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
Yeah, grab your onions and tell them to "impound this" (not to be done in
the bay area =8O
Just tell them that you will let your lawyer and thier shift commander
figure out the details of police harassment. Haven't those peckerheads
been watching the media scrutiny of law enforcement in CA lately?
BTW, my pop is a CHP and he sure as hell has more common sense then
these couple of dim bulbs.
richard...
Bev
William Lane wrote:
| I once got hassled by three cops on my modified
| XR600. They said even though I'd passed the DMV and state
| regs regarding motorcycles that was irrelevant, in their
| eyes it was still an off-road only bike (like the sticked
| sticker on the frame says), they stated the next time they
| saw me on the street w/my XR600 it was the lockup, not for
| me but for the bike. Can you say impound?
Was it currently street-licensed? Not just equipment-legal, you have to
have a current *real* street license plate. If it is, they're entirely
wrong. Fight it in court. If you just have a green sticker, it *is* a
dirt bike and you're hosed. This is a revenue device and you can't win,
even if you have a *good* reason :( (Note: I am not a lawyer; I don't
even play one on TV.)
Bev bas...@ktb.net
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SSmyers102
As somone who rides a KTM 2 stroke on the street, I know the typical
police reaction is to stop first, ask questions later.
They are probably hung up on the "Off Road Use Only". I suggest you take
that sticker off.
You are right, but it may take more time and energy to prove it when you
could be riding. If you take off the sticker, they really don't have much
to gripe about, unless you are loud, then you deserve to be hassled......
Low profile is the way to go........
Scott Smyers '74 Penton 125 + 74 Penton 175 + 74 Penton 250
OHIO 82 Suzuki GS650 + 92 KTM 250T/XC +
93 Yamaha XT225 Serow + 74 Hodaka Wombat +
68 Suzuki TT125 Project Bike< :-o
******** I've never met a bike I didn't like**********
Wish AOL had a spellchecker
Rob King
> In <4pprqn$m...@mariner.umd.edu> oco...@Glue.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
> >
> >
> >hc...@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca (Neil Wig) says:
> >
> >>> >Arturo Gonzalez Mac Dowell
> >>
> >>> Is that a dare? Give me a brand new CR250, and I will make it so!
> >>>
> >>>Depends on what state you live in though.
> >>>
> >>>Pete P.
> >
> >>Well Pete, if you live in Canada, you would be SOL. Unless you have a DOT
> >>sticker on the frame, or are willing to use your bike for crash testing,
> >>there is no chance you will ever get the bike on the street. I tried this
> >>with a KDX200, with head light and tail lights. Now if you wanted to work
> >>a bit of a scam ....cut the serial number off of a 250cc street bike,
> >>stick it on your CR250, and licence it as a modified street bike, that
> >>might fly.
> >
What Province are you in?! Here in Ontario it's simple to get your
dirt bike licenced. All you need is front light and a rear brake light. I
saw a stock RMX that was street legal and the only thing the guy said he
did was remove the "not for hiway use" printing from the side of his
knobbies.
Rob
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