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edi...@mxnewsfeed.com

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Jul 23, 2008, 8:32:43 AM7/23/08
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Reward may be created in Parisot case

By FRANK MacEACHERN
fmace...@wiltonvillager.com


WILTON — Dirt bike riders are pledging money for a reward for
information leading to the arrest of anyone in connection with the
death of Wilton resident Nicholas Parisot, 13, of Nod Hill Road.

He died on Friday, June 13, while riding his dirt bike in an area
behind his grandmother Ellen Parisot's home at 56 Hillbrook Road.

Craig Borden, a dirt bike rider and a resident of Rhode Island, said
dirt bike riders have been deeply affected by Parisot's death,
especially in the way he died.
"It was a harsh penalty to pay for recreating in a way that some
people may not agree with," said Borden.

Parisot was discovered unconscious on a trail behind his grandparents'
home on Hillbrook Road around 4:30 p.m. on June 13. He had been riding
alone at the time of the accident. Police said Parisot was thrown from
his bike after hitting the rope. He died from neck trauma. Police said
the rope was deliberately placed, although they are still classifying
it as an accident and haven't said what the motive might have been.
There have been no arrests made in the investigation which is ongoing.

He said many dirt bike riders throughout New England have said they
want to contribute to a reward. It's something Wilton police are open
to, said spokesman Capt. Michael Lombardo.

"We would certainly welcome any offer (of a reward)," said Lombardo.

Borden said Parisot's death hit home for dirt bike riders because many
of them have either been involved with or heard about fellow riders
who were hurt or narrowly avoided getting hurt while riding on trails.

Mark Washburn, a resident of Holmes, N.Y., said that was nearly the
case for him five years ago. He narrowly avoided a pit, covered with
branches and leaves, that would have swallowed him and his bike.

Parisot's death affected him, especially since Parisot was so young.

"We were all kids once, he was doing what kids do, it was just a
tragedy," he said.

Tony Gasper said dirt bike riders have a bad reputation but he
defended them as people from all walks of life who simply enjoy riding
their dirt bikes. He pointed to himself as an example.

"I have a doctorate in education and I work with the state's
(Connecticut) Department of Education," said Gasper. His Oxford-Ct.,
based dirt bike club, The Pathfinders, is considering naming one of
their events in memory of Parisot although they haven't made any final
decision.

XR650L_Dave

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Jul 23, 2008, 11:11:28 AM7/23/08
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On Jul 23, 8:32 am, edi...@mxnewsfeed.com wrote:
> Reward may be created in Parisot case
>
> By FRANK MacEACHERN
> fmaceach...@wiltonvillager.com


Screw the reward, just let the dirt-bikers have the killer.

A neck-high rope and they're calling it an accident?

Dave

edi...@mxnewsfeed.com

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Jul 23, 2008, 11:25:46 AM7/23/08
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> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is the attitude that most Wilton-ites have, as well as a lot of
folks in CT - that they are better than everyone else and their sh*t
don't stink.

They are the eco-Nazi' s who have prevented Route 7 from expanding,
making it the biggest hellhole of a road in CT on a Friday afternoon.
I went to high school there and most of the kids were stuck up rich
poosies....and their eco tree hugger parents who moved here from New
Jersey becasue they were hedge fund managers for Goldman Sachs.

My guess is that some neighbor eco-dirtbag got tired of him riding
around, and decided they would take matters into there own hands. I'm
sure they know who did it already and are protecting them....typical
Wilton. I'll be surprised if the person who did it gets any jail
time....all the folks in Wilton are SO RICH they can all afford
awesome lawyers. Poor Nick - all he was doing was having fun and he
lost his life because of it.

What an outrage.

XR650L_Dave

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Jul 23, 2008, 12:22:09 PM7/23/08
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I made a disparaging comment about CT over at TT and got my ass handed
to me... by people exclusively from small towns.

Sure, small-town CT pipple are nice, but the guy getting run down in
hartford and then left to lie there is more like most of the people I
ran into were like.

Dave

HellSickle

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Jul 23, 2008, 2:44:29 PM7/23/08
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"XR650L_Dave" <spamT...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So, what you're saying, is that you make a habit of running down people?
:-)

-Jeff-


justwaitaf...@gmail.com

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Jul 23, 2008, 3:42:15 PM7/23/08
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On Jul 23, 12:22 pm, XR650L_Dave <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Sure, small-town CT pipple are nice, but the guy getting run down in
> hartford and then left to lie there is more like most of the people I
> ran into were like.
>

> Dave-


There was this farmer sitting on a porch on the side of the road
during
the early 1900's A man in a wagon loaded down with all of his
belongings, stops and come up to the farmer. He asked the farmer
what
the people of the town are like. The farmer replies, "well son, what
were they like where you came from. The traveler says, well that is
why
I am moving, the people were rude, self centered, assholes. The
farmer
said, "well they are about the same way here". So the traveler got
back
in his wagon and continued heading west.

A few days later, another man come by, his wagon loaded with all of
his
belongings, and he asked the same question. Again the farmer replied
"well son, what were they like where you moved from". The traveler
got
a tear in his eye, said "That was the hardest part about moving West,
is
we are leaving some of the nicest, most helpful and concerned
neighbors
anyone could ask for". The farmer smiled back and said "Son, I think
you will find the people here are about the same".

Beryl

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Jul 24, 2008, 4:21:16 AM7/24/08
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Took you only 5 hours to demonstrate why you're not The Chief.

“We’re trying to keep an open mind and look at all possibilities,”
said Chief Kulhawik. “We’re not discounting anything.”

“One of the mistakes people make is they draw conclusions early and
close out options,” he added.

XR650L_Dave

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Jul 24, 2008, 9:04:19 AM7/24/08
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The chief has to dance around all the HNWIs in the area, and their
pitbull lawyers.
Sean does not.

My take is they know who, and why, and that it was at least a homicide
by negligence, and they are being very careful to keep the bastard
from wriggling free via some procedural misdeed.

(High Net Worth Individuals, aka rich fucks)

Dave

JayC

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Jul 24, 2008, 10:09:53 AM7/24/08
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> WILTON — Dirt bike riders are pledging money for a reward for
> information leading to the arrest of anyone in connection with the
> death of Wilton resident Nicholas Parisot, 13, of Nod Hill Road.

This effort, incidently, was generated over at the New England
Dirtbikes site (www.nedirtbikes.com).

JayC

edi...@mxnewsfeed.com

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Jul 24, 2008, 3:43:22 PM7/24/08
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Hitting the nail on the head!!

Beryl

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Jul 24, 2008, 7:03:28 PM7/24/08
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Nice effort, Dave.

"... are working with State Police, the state's medical examiner's
office and the State's Attorney Office in Stamford, said Kulhawik."
<http://www.thehour.com/story/70587>

I doubt Chief Kulhawik is going to dance.

>> Sean does not.

That's because Sean is simply an internet nitwit with an agenda.

>> My take is they know who, and why, and that it was at least a homicide
>> by negligence, and they are being very careful to keep the bastard
>> from wriggling free via some procedural misdeed.

Who, perhaps. Why, not likely.
The perpetrator might be a treehugger. Or a neighbor just tired of the
kids riding through every day. Or a jealous classmate. Or a punk that
throws rocks at cars from highway overpasses.

>> (High Net Worth Individuals, aka rich fucks)
>>
>> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hitting the nail on the head!!

Well, he bent your nail.

Nitwit:

"He loved hiking, fishing, whittling, camping and learning about all
things in nature."

"Last summer, he spent a week working on an organic farm in Maine"

Sound like one of your eco-treehugger-dirtbags? That was Nick Parisot.
<http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3516:nicholas-parisot-13-wilton-resident-son-and-brother&catid=65:wilton-obits&Itemid=153>

XR650L_Dave

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Jul 24, 2008, 8:36:54 PM7/24/08
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> <http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/index.php?option=com_content&vie...>


'round these parts enjoying nature and having a deep feeling of
respect for nature, and feeling that rational conservancy is good, and
required, does not make one an eco-treehugger-dirtbag.

That term is for those that feel 'nature' is more important than
people, and idiots that believe its right and proper to hurt, maim,
and kill, and damage property in the name of 'saving' nature.

Just to get the terminology correct...


Dave

Beryl

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Jul 25, 2008, 1:25:38 AM7/25/08
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XR650L_Dave wrote:
>
> 'round these parts enjoying nature and having a deep feeling of
> respect for nature, and feeling that rational conservancy is good,
> and required, does not make one an eco-treehugger-dirtbag.

If "these parts" is RMD, there's really no respect for nature that I see.

You've defined what's rational, right? Of course!
Rational means that nature SHALL be used to serve and entertain you in
the best possible way. No holds barred, pull out all the stops, it's all
about Dave's one trip through life and fuck everything else because the
universe was created for Dave's arrival, and Dave only gets one shot,
and here he is now.

And when like-thinking RMDers like Dave get together, they'll profess to
actually care about everyone else in the group getting their generous
shares too, because that mutual support helps to ensure that each and
every calculating, self-centered, center-of-the-universe Dave will get his.

> That term is for those that feel 'nature' is more important than
> people,

In the end, it is. Exactly as in the beginning, it was.

> and idiots that believe its right and proper to hurt, maim, and kill,
> and damage property in the name of 'saving' nature.

You're claiming that's never the case?

> Just to get the terminology correct...

Is the Subject line correct for you?

>
>
> Dave

XR650L_Dave

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Jul 25, 2008, 7:42:17 AM7/25/08
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> > Dave- Hide quoted text -
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What are you, fucking nuts?

Rhetorical question, you're just a stupid troll, apparently.


Dave

Beryl

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Jul 25, 2008, 4:19:13 PM7/25/08
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You getting nervous, Dave?

> Rhetorical question, you're just a stupid troll, apparently.

What's more apparent is your lack of thought. Dave's bailing, somebody
else want to take over?

john

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Jul 25, 2008, 5:15:40 PM7/25/08
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"Beryl" <

> What's more apparent is your lack of thought. Dave's bailing, somebody
> else want to take over?

nope, don't want to take over, infact this whole thing sucks
folks have been doing evil since Cain & Able. Not going
to stop it in here or else where.. my goal is to limit its damage.
try volenteering, mentoring, teaching, smiling at folks, saying hi..ect.
you might find the rewards are greater than the cost.
beryl you seem like a smart fella, why not share some tips you've picked up
along the way.
john
use a digital camera to take pictures of projects
so you know where the stuff belonged before
you took it apart.


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Beryl

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Jul 26, 2008, 1:04:20 AM7/26/08
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john wrote:
> "Beryl" <
>> What's more apparent is your lack of thought. Dave's bailing, somebody
>> else want to take over?
>
> nope, don't want to take over, infact this whole thing sucks
> folks have been doing evil since Cain & Able. Not going
> to stop it in here or else where.. my goal is to limit its damage.
> try volenteering, mentoring, teaching, smiling at folks, saying hi..ect.
> you might find the rewards are greater than the cost.
> beryl you seem like a smart fella, why not share some tips you've picked up
> along the way.

And I did - the helicopter's cablecutter, probably the only contribution
to the shitstirrer mxnitwit's "murder" topic that has had, or will have,
any positive value.

Needs adaptation for bikedom, but that can't be impossible. Whoever does
it will become the industry's hero the next time some poor kid doesn't
get killed by a rope.

Now, would I even offer such an idea here if I were anti-rmd? No way!

Dean H.

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Jul 26, 2008, 3:47:45 AM7/26/08
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"Beryl" <trolls......

Wow, what an interesting take on the crime. Don't get outraged by the
eco-terrorists, just brace for the day when all trails are booby trapped.
Check, please.

I'll throw some fuel on the fire and wonder if loud pipes pushed the perp
over the edge. This incident happened maybe five or ten miles from where
I've done 90% of all my dirtbike riding. As I mentioned earlier, it's all
about riding *without bothering people*. Maybe quiet pipes could have saved
the kid's life.

Whether the perp's motive was property rights, or ecology, or noise... sorta
doesn't matter. It could'a been one of our trails and it sure does feel like
terrorism (what with its random victim attributes and all...). I hate this
story.


john

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Jul 26, 2008, 9:51:30 AM7/26/08
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while a cable cutter mounted to the front of a bike might work
I'm guessing it would be a tad hard on riding partners...
I pre ride real slow my trails checking for fallen logs, vines
& washouts, then on the return trip I pickup the pace a bit.
one thing I did think of was a strap from the chest protector
to the chin bar, not sure all the logistics on it limiting neck
hyper extension or frontal asaults... but it might work
john

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endurodog

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Jul 26, 2008, 10:55:41 AM7/26/08
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"Dean H." <mo...@groove.calm> wrote in message

> Check, please.
>
> I'll throw some fuel on the fire and wonder if loud pipes pushed the perp
> over the edge. This incident happened maybe five or ten miles from where
> I've done 90% of all my dirtbike riding. As I mentioned earlier, it's all
> about riding *without bothering people*. Maybe quiet pipes could have
> saved the kid's life.


I'm going to make one statement on this and then leave this thread
forever cause it's just getting silly and that's a nice way of putting it.

First we don't know, maybe his bike was "quiet" but then again what is
"quiet"? I'm sure that if his bike was at 96db he would still be alive, ohh
wait 93 would have prevented the homicidal maniac from those actions. The
murder was a good man but those extra few db is what pushed him over the
edge, it's really not his fault cause some bully called him names and made
him very sensitive to noise on the playground years ago.

On that, debate away, I won't even look at this thread again. Rex out.

Rex McKinney

Beryl

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Jul 26, 2008, 5:48:18 PM7/26/08
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Dean H. wrote:

> Whether the perp's motive was property rights, or ecology, or noise... sorta
> doesn't matter.

But I'd bet it might matter a bunch to Nicholas Parisot, if it could.
It sorta doesn't matter to *you* because hanging blame on those
eco-treehugger-dirtbags is worth far more than finding out why his death
really happened. That was mxnitwit's intent from the start.

scrape

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Jul 26, 2008, 7:18:33 PM7/26/08
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It happened because some criminally insane douche bag hung a wire
across a trail at neck height. His motives don't begin to matter
until you get into the realm of trying to regulate thought.

I don't give a shit why he did it. The only thing that truly
matters is that he did do it. You can argue until Armageddon
about what his motives may or may not have been, but it's
pointless.

I'm sick and tired of my neighbor's 8am yard sales that encroach
on my property. Should I kill them? If I do, does it matter what
I was thinking when I did it?

Beryl

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Jul 27, 2008, 1:18:38 AM7/27/08
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scrape wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:48:18 -0700, Beryl
> <flyingt...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>> Dean H. wrote:
>>
>>> Whether the perp's motive was property rights, or ecology, or noise... sorta
>>> doesn't matter.
>> But I'd bet it might matter a bunch to Nicholas Parisot, if it could.
>> It sorta doesn't matter to *you* because hanging blame on those
>> eco-treehugger-dirtbags is worth far more than finding out why his death
>> really happened. That was mxnitwit's intent from the start.
>
> It happened because some criminally insane douche bag hung a wire
> across a trail at neck height. His motives don't begin to matter
> until you get into the realm of trying to regulate thought.

That's the realm we're into - trying to regulate the NEXT rope
stringer's thoughts. But if this guy was just an imbecile with no
malicious intent, what are you going to do about it? No punishment is
going to deter the next imbecile.

And how did rope suddenly become a wire? Was it spray painted flat black
to kill the shine too?

> I don't give a shit why he did it. The only thing that truly
> matters is that he did do it. You can argue until Armageddon
> about what his motives may or may not have been, but it's
> pointless.
>
> I'm sick and tired of my neighbor's 8am yard sales that encroach
> on my property. Should I kill them? If I do, does it matter what
> I was thinking when I did it?

Your intent to kill was already there, you just said so.

Joseph Rooney

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Jul 27, 2008, 11:15:30 AM7/27/08
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Beryl,

Generally, I classify folks as forming thoughts with their forebrain or
their reptilian brain justifying what plops out on the page as their
"opinion."

snip

> That's the realm we're into - trying to regulate the NEXT rope
> stringer's thoughts. But if this guy was just an imbecile with no
> malicious intent, what are you going to do about it? No punishment is
> going to deter the next imbecile.

Punishment is meted out for infractions of our social compact. It is not a
preventative measure as you mistakenly believe. Folks are free to violate
the social compact with consequences.

> And how did rope suddenly become a wire? Was it spray painted flat black
> to kill the shine too?
>
> > I don't give a shit why he did it. The only thing that truly
> > matters is that he did do it. You can argue until Armageddon
> > about what his motives may or may not have been, but it's
> > pointless.
> >
> > I'm sick and tired of my neighbor's 8am yard sales that encroach
> > on my property. Should I kill them? If I do, does it matter what
> > I was thinking when I did it?
>
> Your intent to kill was already there, you just said so.

I now will add the anus to my classification of how people formulate
thought. You are the first initiate.

Now get off Zippy's computer.

Joe

XL600R


Dean H.

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Jul 27, 2008, 12:20:51 PM7/27/08
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>
> On that, debate away, I won't even look at this thread again. Rex out.
>
> Rex McKinney

Holy shenpa, Batman!

Sorry rex.


Dean H.

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Jul 27, 2008, 12:44:32 PM7/27/08
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"Beryl" <flyingt...@chillybits.org...

No, actually, if you read the statement in context, even out of context, you
should see that's not why I wrote those words. Read the statement you
snipped. I offer two other motives to ecology followed by an elipsis
indicating omission of others. And I haven't said treehugger or dirtbag.
So,if you want to have an intelligent discussion look harder for why it
doesn't matter to me the motive. It's because of the random victim aspect
which creates fear among dirtriders in that area. Creating fear on purpose
is what terrorism is all about.

Frankly, I'd pick property rights as the most likely motive. So I probably
should not have said "eco-terrorist". And I'd still call it something very
close to murder, but propably reckless endangerment leading to manslaughter
or something like that. I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. It
really depends on what was going through the perp's mind when he strung the
trap. I mean that would matter to me if I was the DA or a juror. It doesn't
matter to me as a woods rider in that area who has to wonder if maybe it was
a random act that could happen on our trails next. HTH clarify the intent of
my words.

I doubt the motive would matter much at all to Nick or his family BTW. Fry
the perp, slowly with an aftermarket lighting kit.

The Real Bev

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Jul 27, 2008, 5:31:21 PM7/27/08
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Dean H. wrote:

> "Beryl" <flyingt...@chillybits.org...
>> Dean H. wrote:
>>
>>> Whether the perp's motive was property rights, or ecology, or noise...
>>> sorta doesn't matter.
>>
>> But I'd bet it might matter a bunch to Nicholas Parisot, if it could.
>> It sorta doesn't matter to *you* because hanging blame on those
>> eco-treehugger-dirtbags is worth far more than finding out why his death
>> really happened. That was mxnitwit's intent from the start.
>
> No, actually, if you read the statement in context, even out of context, you
> should see that's not why I wrote those words. Read the statement you
> snipped. I offer two other motives to ecology followed by an elipsis
> indicating omission of others. And I haven't said treehugger or dirtbag.
> So,if you want to have an intelligent discussion look harder for why it
> doesn't matter to me the motive. It's because of the random victim aspect
> which creates fear among dirtriders in that area. Creating fear on purpose
> is what terrorism is all about.
>
> Frankly, I'd pick property rights as the most likely motive. So I probably
> should not have said "eco-terrorist". And I'd still call it something very
> close to murder, but propably reckless endangerment leading to manslaughter
> or something like that. I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. It
> really depends on what was going through the perp's mind when he strung the
> trap. I mean that would matter to me if I was the DA or a juror.

It shouldn't. There can have been no other intent than to injure, maim
or kill.

Can there be any doubt in anyone's mind that the perp was thinking
"There, that'll show the little sumbitch" as he tied the last knot?
OTOH, the result is exactly the same as if he had been thinking "Now the
bitch won't keep crabbing about not having a clothesline". (Believing
that that's an actual possibility is grounds for not only being thrown
off the jury, it almost requires that he be thrown out the nearest window.)

In some cases, motive is absolutely irrelevant.

> It doesn't
> matter to me as a woods rider in that area who has to wonder if maybe it was
> a random act that could happen on our trails next. HTH clarify the intent of
> my words.
>
> I doubt the motive would matter much at all to Nick or his family BTW. Fry
> the perp, slowly with an aftermarket lighting kit.

No, simple execution. It's unseemly to take pleasure in the painful
death of another person, no matter how richly deserved it might be.

Isn't it Murder 1 if 'lying in wait' or 'premeditated' is a feature? I
seem to remember that the penalty for setting a lethal booby trap even
to protect your home is frowned on.

--
Cheers,
Bev
======================================================================
"Steve Balmer, CEO of Microsoft[0], recently referred to LINUX as a
cancer. Unsurprisingly, that's incorrect; LINUX was released on August
25th, 1991 and is therefore a virgo." -- Kevin L

sturd

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Jul 27, 2008, 7:43:37 PM7/27/08
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endurodog says:

> On that, debate away, I won't even look at this thread again.

A debate you've no chance of being on the correct side, eh?


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

Beryl

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Jul 27, 2008, 8:47:58 PM7/27/08
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Joseph Rooney wrote:
> Beryl,
>
> Generally, I classify folks as forming thoughts with their forebrain or
> their reptilian brain justifying what plops out on the page as their
> "opinion."
>
> snip
>
>> That's the realm we're into - trying to regulate the NEXT rope
>> stringer's thoughts. But if this guy was just an imbecile with no
>> malicious intent, what are you going to do about it? No punishment is
>> going to deter the next imbecile.
>
> Punishment is meted out for infractions of our social compact. It is not a
> preventative measure as you mistakenly believe. Folks are free to violate
> the social compact with consequences.

Two factors in play, Joey.

1) The odds of being caught.

2) The severity of the consequences.

Bad guys consider both when deciding whether the gamble is worth it.

>> And how did rope suddenly become a wire? Was it spray painted flat black
>> to kill the shine too?
>>
>>> I don't give a shit why he did it. The only thing that truly
>>> matters is that he did do it. You can argue until Armageddon
>>> about what his motives may or may not have been, but it's
>>> pointless.
>>>
>>> I'm sick and tired of my neighbor's 8am yard sales that encroach
>>> on my property. Should I kill them? If I do, does it matter what
>>> I was thinking when I did it?
>> Your intent to kill was already there, you just said so.
>
> I now will add the anus to my classification of how people formulate
> thought. You are the first initiate.

So I'm your first, I'm flattered! Your reply to me was the first you've
posted after formulating thought with your anus. I'm glad I could help
get those bowels moving again, Joey.

I'm waiting for Mike W's profanity-laden hysterics now. He used to teach
logic, ya' know.

The Real Bev

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Jul 27, 2008, 9:14:46 PM7/27/08
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The Real Bev wrote:

> Isn't it Murder 1 if 'lying in wait' or 'premeditated' is a feature? I
> seem to remember that the penalty for setting a lethal booby trap even
> to protect your home is frowned on.

OK, that made no sense, but you know what I mean!

--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------
There are 10 types of geek in this world,
those who understand binary and those who don't.

Joseph Rooney

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Jul 28, 2008, 12:01:18 AM7/28/08
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"Beryl" <flyingt...@chillybits.org> wrote in message
news:2aWdnVYMKpfFiBDV...@posted.toastnet...

> Joseph Rooney wrote:
> > Beryl,
> >
> > Generally, I classify folks as forming thoughts with their forebrain or
> > their reptilian brain justifying what plops out on the page as their
> > "opinion."
> >
> > snip
> >
> >> That's the realm we're into - trying to regulate the NEXT rope
> >> stringer's thoughts. But if this guy was just an imbecile with no
> >> malicious intent, what are you going to do about it? No punishment is
> >> going to deter the next imbecile.
> >
> > Punishment is meted out for infractions of our social compact. It is
not a
> > preventative measure as you mistakenly believe. Folks are free to
violate
> > the social compact with consequences.
>
> Two factors in play, Joey.
>
> 1) The odds of being caught.
>
> 2) The severity of the consequences.
>
> Bad guys consider both when deciding whether the gamble is worth it.

Living the high moral ground has left you bereft of appreciation, much less
the ability to project. Bad guys never get to "that" moral question.

You are a dolt.

> >> And how did rope suddenly become a wire? Was it spray painted flat
black
> >> to kill the shine too?
> >>
> >>> I don't give a shit why he did it. The only thing that truly
> >>> matters is that he did do it. You can argue until Armageddon
> >>> about what his motives may or may not have been, but it's
> >>> pointless.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sick and tired of my neighbor's 8am yard sales that encroach
> >>> on my property. Should I kill them? If I do, does it matter what
> >>> I was thinking when I did it?
> >> Your intent to kill was already there, you just said so.
> >
> > I now will add the anus to my classification of how people formulate
> > thought. You are the first initiate.
>
> So I'm your first, I'm flattered! Your reply to me was the first you've
> posted after formulating thought with your anus. I'm glad I could help
> get those bowels moving again, Joey.
>
> I'm waiting for Mike W's profanity-laden hysterics now. He used to teach
> logic, ya' know.

Mike's a nice guy, I'll kill you if you tell him I said so.

Get off Zippy's computer.

Joe


Beryl

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Joseph Rooney wrote:

>>> Punishment is meted out for infractions of our social compact. It
>>> is not a preventative measure as you mistakenly believe. Folks
>>> are free to violate the social compact with consequences.

>> Two factors in play, Joey.
>>
>> 1) The odds of being caught.
>>
>> 2) The severity of the consequences.
>>
>> Bad guys consider both when deciding whether the gamble is worth
>> it.
>
> Living the high moral ground has left you bereft of appreciation,
> much less the ability to project. Bad guys never get to "that" moral
> question.


You can't recognize the problem with your first reply? Really??
Why aren't you robbing banks right now?

(hint - Not because your punishment will retroactively prevent the robbery.)

Joseph Rooney

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"Beryl" <flyingt...@chillybits.org> wrote in message
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Beryl,

I apologize for giving you a nuanced reply. Apparently your life
experiences are ahead of you.

I found my interests in the fields of electronic test and measurement, spent
32 years fiddling with oscilloscopes and assisitng very interesting
customers with service, repair and application.

My moral compass didn't include robbing banks. Apparently you think
everybody is wont to rob banks because "that's where the money is."

I look forward to your maturation and abiding that not all folks are like
yourself.

Joe

XL600R


Beryl

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Jul 28, 2008, 4:39:59 PM7/28/08
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Metaphors always sail over your head? Your personal moral compass isn't
shared by a town full of citizens in Connecticut, or those in the next
state over.

> I look forward to your maturation and abiding that not all folks are like
> yourself.

Again, such a scholarly piece, with nothing actually said.

You're still ducking from "Punishment... is not a preventative measure
as you mistakenly believe."

I said it is a deterrent. Just as the punishment for lottery play ($1 a
pop) and the odds of being "caught" (millions to one you'll lose) will
deter anyone from playing endlessly. But a favorable change in either,
and play will increase. Unfavorable change, play will go down.

It's the same sort of risk/reward equation most would-be criminals will
need to crunch, unless we're talking about some sort of crime of passion
- which this particular case may be about. An erratically explosive
personality like, say, Mike W, probably won't run that equation even
though he used to teach others how to do it. (Mike used to teach logic,
ya' know.) An imbecile won't do it either. The would-be criminal with an
actual working brainstem, calculating the execution of his crime, will.

Beryl

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Jul 29, 2008, 12:12:18 AM7/29/08
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Joseph Rooney wrote:

> I found my interests in the fields of electronic test and measurement, spent
> 32 years fiddling with oscilloscopes and assisitng very interesting
> customers with service, repair and application.

Know what, Joey? The lack of substance I find underneath your pompous
fluffery tells me that you're a fraud. I feel ripped off, as I'm sure
your customers must have.


Here's the deal:

You should be an absolute wiz' after testing and measuring and staring
at oscilloscopes for 32 years. Teach us about AC and DC. What you've
seen, the differences, similarities, the keen insights you have, you
ought to be able to come up with some fascinating stuff for us.

And I, not an electronics wiz' at all, am already telling you now that
you're mistaken, before I've even seen what you've got, and I am going
to fill in gaps for you and correct your errors.

Grab your laptop and go sit on the toilet for hours until you feel
ready. You can use all the verbal fluffery and puffery you want.

edi...@mxnewsfeed.com

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Jul 29, 2008, 2:26:48 AM7/29/08
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Give a douche a shovel and they dig a big hole! Makin' friends and
taking names!

Joseph Rooney

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<edi...@mxnewsfeed.com> wrote in message
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Hey was it KXDude?!

Its my new job to busy up this here Beryl person with devide by zero
exercizes so you folks can get on with advancing the safe fun of off road
motorcycling.

De nada,

Thick skinned Joe


Dean H.

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"The Real Bev" <bashley1...

I guess I'm leaving a little room for some kid who didn't realize how
dangerous the trap could be. Youth is the only valid excuse I can think of
for such ignorance.

<snip>


>
> Isn't it Murder 1 if 'lying in wait' or 'premeditated' is a feature?

So, you're saying Wyle E. Coyote was bad?

> I seem to remember that ... setting a lethal booby trap even to protect

> your home is frowned on.

Emergency services (ambulance, fire, fuz) probably don't love booby traps.


edi...@mxnewsfeed.com

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Jul 29, 2008, 8:04:56 AM7/29/08
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On Jul 29, 9:32 am, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> "The Real Bev" <bashley1...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dean H. wrote:
>
> >> "Beryl" <flyingterra...@chillybits.org...
> Emergency services (ambulance, fire, fuz) probably don't love booby traps.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Does fuzz have one Z or two?

Dean H.

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Jul 29, 2008, 8:28:34 AM7/29/08
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>> > I seem to remember that ... setting a lethal booby trap even to protect
> >> your home is frowned on.
>
>> Emergency services (ambulance, fire, fuz) probably don't love booby
>> traps.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Does fuzz have one Z or two?

The fuzz can have as many Zs as they want.

Typo the first time was fux.


Beryl

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Jul 29, 2008, 4:19:39 PM7/29/08
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It was just an experiment, Joey, not about electronics at all. You had 3
ways to go with it, leading to varying degrees of failure, and you chose
the least damaging option. Smart choice.

The Real Bev

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Jul 29, 2008, 8:33:46 PM7/29/08
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Dean H. wrote:

> "The Real Bev" <bashley1...
>> Dean H. wrote:
>>
>>> It really depends on what was going through the
>>> perp's mind when he strung the trap. I mean that would matter to me if I
>>> was the DA or a juror.
>>
>> It shouldn't. There can have been no other intent than to injure, maim or
>> kill.
>
> I guess I'm leaving a little room for some kid who didn't realize how
> dangerous the trap could be. Youth is the only valid excuse I can think of
> for such ignorance.

If it was a kid, he should have known better. I see no difference
between a kid setting a cat on fire and a kid rigging up a rope.
Moreover, I think that giving such kids a chance to reform is more
likely just giving them a chance to hone their skills. Sometimes youth
and stupidity are excuses, but not here.

It's really difficult to see things at head height, especially if the
area is in sun and shadow and the rider is looking at the ground, which
is what happens most of the time. It would have been pure luck if
somebody actually saw it in time to avoid it.

Piano wire is even more invisible.

>> Isn't it Murder 1 if 'lying in wait' or 'premeditated' is a feature?
>
> So, you're saying Wyle E. Coyote was bad?

The very definition of evil, but god watches out for the stupid.

>> I seem to remember that ... setting a lethal booby trap even to protect
>> your home is frowned on.
>
> Emergency services (ambulance, fire, fuz) probably don't love booby traps.

I would imagine not. Setting deliberate traps for emergency people is
evil carried up to the next level and might be a proof that no good deed
goes unpunished.

--
Cheers, Bev
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I lock
every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there
picking the locks, they are always locking three.

The Real Bev

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Jul 29, 2008, 8:34:43 PM7/29/08
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Dean H. wrote:

>>> > I seem to remember that ... setting a lethal booby trap even to protect
>> >> your home is frowned on.
>>
>>> Emergency services (ambulance, fire, fuz) probably don't love booby
>>> traps.
>

>>Does fuzz have one Z or two?
>
> The fuzz can have as many Zs as they want.
>
> Typo the first time was fux.

Possibly at least phonetically correct.

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