Mr. Jody Weisel
Motocross Action Magazine
25233 Anza Drive
Valencia, CA 91355
Dear Mr. Weisel,
Just to get it right?? Do you spell your name with an “I” or a “y”, because my
girlfriend spells hers with an “I”….. Anyway…
In response to your last Jody’s box in the September issue of Motocross Action
Magazine, I felt compelled to write you. I would just like to say that first
off, I myself have been around the Motocross industry for over 20 years, so I
have seen a lot. I am also in the hair industry, and have seen a lot in the 15+
years there also. In respect, they both have come a long way.
The one guy that you were referring to with bleached hair, earrings, tattoos
etc., has proved to EVERYONE that he dominates the sport, he has broken every
record there is to break and set new ones along the way. That has everything to
do with his talent and hard work, and nothing to do with what color his hair
is. His looks have helped bring ladies, guys, and a whole new image to the
races. This in turn has helped the sport grow and become more mainstream. The
guys who bleach and dye their hair are considered trendsetters. I have my books
full of appointments for guys of all ages that ask if they can pay me to look
like Jeremy McGrath, Emig, Button, Lawrence, Ping, etc. Those are the people
that you were talking about weren't they? At least I’m not afraid to refer to
them by name.
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If these good looking guys didn't look the way they do, they wouldn't be doing
fashion ads for…Arnette, Fox, No Fear, Troy Lee Designs, GQ Magazine, Playboy
Magazine etc. Most of these companies advertise in your magazine, just the
first half from what I thumbed through already, which pay money to keep your
magazine running and I believe pay your salary?? All this so you can sit in
your box with your picture next to it…Oh wait…excuse me for just a minute, my
phone is ringing…Oh just another client, and you better believe he's not asking
to look like Jody Weisel.
It's just too bad that you can't support the industry and the people in it,
like we have supported your magazine all these years. Instead of bashing, which
you do well at, maybe it's time to make a move and/or change…"Change is good".
Launi DiMaggio
Hairy Situation
909.678.7813
Hairdresser to: Jeremy McGrath, Jeff Emig, Jimmy Button, Ernesto Fonseca, Buddy
Antunez, David Pingree, Phil Lawrence, Randy Lawrence, Nathan Ramsey, John
Dowd, Kevin Windham, Stephane Roncada, Casey Johnson, Ryan Hughes, Bryan
McGavran, Davey Coombs, Shaun Palmer and Michael Brandes.
I think it is a parent thing, too. The dads want their boys to be a spittin
image of dear old dad. "Ear ring !!!!!!! Oh NO!'' " You want to look like a
girl?" I heard the same s%$t about hair that I had down to the tops of the
shoulders. Weisel probably heard it to "But this is different".
How can I see the reality?? No kids!!!!!! Too smart!!!!
Ray
Fan4Blink wrote in message <19990820190101...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
Way to go Launi!! You tell 'em!
Hey I am fashion-forward and I want you to do my hair so I can look like them
cool guys! But first we'd have to start with implants :-(
It's easier if we can get them to look like ME though, just get out the shaver
and run it down the middle ;-)
FatFaught - '97xr400
Jody may be a "weasel" sometimes, but something he wrote years ago still
sticks in my mind. It was a column about hero worship, and how people get
all gah-gah around "stars". His comment was something like: "If you feel
nervous around somebody like Ron Lechien (I told you it was years ago),
and start feeling inferior, just imagine him doing the multiplication tables".
Wes
**It's impossible to have too many bikes or too much good weather**
**God gave us relatives...thank God we get to choose our friends**
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> His looks have helped bring ladies, guys, and a whole new image to the
> races. This in turn has helped the sport grow and become more mainstream. The
> guys who bleach and dye their hair are considered trendsetters.
Cool letter but isn't this contradictory? Trendsetters aren't mainstream.
They hair and tattoo thing can also get carried away and people will start to
think of it as a lolapalooza<sp> on wheels. Not good.
I don't get MXA but I read on the internet that the article also hinted that
Jeremy was gay. I guess that's good reason for me to continue NOT getting MXA.
Uwe Hale - 89 YZ250WR, 99 GasGas EC200
http://www.rrdr.org
http://www.smackovermotorsports.com
email me.
thanks...
seth
I hate to be the one to disagree but some of those guys disgust me. One
inparticular is Mike Metzger. I have a 5 year old son that rides and he
loves Motorcycle videos. I cringe when I see the likes of metzger with un
kept hair and a body covered in Tattoo's. Is this the roll model I want my
son to look up to,No. And anybody who is at the top of there game and
featured in movie after movie is a roll model for better or worse. Know what
I would like, some great videos that show big air and dunes without the
heavy metal music blaring all the time and the bare ass's running across the
screen and maybe even we could hear the bikes for a change, how about that?
Hear the thumpers thumping and the 2-strokes scream. Maybe I am old fashion
but I don't know why motorcross has to mean grunge.
--
Gary Solomons
1995 KTM 400 EXC
1985 Suzuki LT50
DoD #2023
Jim DeCicco
Uwe Hale wrote:
>
> Fan4Blink wrote:
>
> > His looks have helped bring ladies, guys, and a whole new image to the
> > races. This in turn has helped the sport grow and become more mainstream. The
> > guys who bleach and dye their hair are considered trendsetters.
>
> Cool letter but isn't this contradictory? Trendsetters aren't mainstream.
>
> They hair and tattoo thing can also get carried away and people will start to
> think of it as a lolapalooza<sp> on wheels. Not good.
>
> I don't get MXA but I read on the internet that the article also hinted that
> Jeremy was gay. I guess that's good reason for me to continue NOT getting MXA.
>
> Uwe Hale - 89 YZ250WR, 99 GasGas EC200
> http://www.rrdr.org
> http://www.smackovermotorsports.com
--
Maybe since I just started racing MX at 30 I should grow long side burns
bleach my hair or color it jet black. But I don't think I would look like
Mcgrath though, it would be closer to Elvis.
Chad
Wesley Grass <wes...@otis.arraycomm.com> wrote in message
news:FGsHz...@arraycomm.com...
From: "Gary Solomons" <gar...@msn.com>
<I hate to be the one to disagree but some of those guys disgust me.
Same here!
<I have a 5 year old son that rides and he
<loves Motorcycle videos. I cringe when I see the likes of metzger with <un
<kept hair and a body covered in Tattoo's. Is this the roll model I want my
<son to look up to,No.
Same here also! I dont like painted skin, unless it temparary, tattoos are not
the safest thing installing either.
<And anybody who is at the top of there game and
<featured in movie after movie is a roll model for better or worse. Know <what
<I would like, some great videos that show big air and dunes without the
<heavy metal music blaring all the time and the bare ass's running across <the
<screen and maybe even we could hear the bikes for a change, how about <that?
Yea! How about a real movie? I can make riding vidio's of riders, LOL! Lets
have some stories and or some history/biography of racers or bikes or tracks
something! Even a soap?
<Hear the thumpers thumping and the 2-strokes scream. Maybe I am old <fashion
<but I don't know why motorcross has to mean grunge.
It, Motorcross does NOT mean grung! I dont think its about oldfashion anyway,
its about intertainment in films stories, thats what movie could be! And "dirt"
riding or racing is about sport.
I am not including "free Style" since I do not have an opinion and good
knowledge about "Free Style" riding.
<Gary Solomons
<1995 KTM 400 EXC
<1985 Suzuki LT50
<DoD #2023
Stan......./\/\/\/\..........
KTM,RM,RM,KX........
Check out "Legends". It's mostly a documentary about the last 30 years of MX.
It has lots of cool race footage with Roger D. Hannah, Johnson, Bailey, Ward
and all the way up to McGrath and Emig. Plenty of role model material in it.
js
Gary Solomons <gar...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:efonig76#GA.170@cpmsnbbsa02...
> >
> > > His looks have helped bring ladies, guys, and a whole new image to the
> > > races. This in turn has helped the sport grow and become more
> mainstream. The
> > > guys who bleach and dye their hair are considered trendsetters.
>
>
>
> I hate to be the one to disagree but some of those guys disgust me. One
> inparticular is Mike Metzger. I have a 5 year old son that rides and he
> loves Motorcycle videos. I cringe when I see the likes of metzger with un
> kept hair and a body covered in Tattoo's. Is this the roll model I want my
> son to look up to,No. And anybody who is at the top of there game and
> featured in movie after movie is a roll model for better or worse. Know
what
> I would like, some great videos that show big air and dunes without the
> heavy metal music blaring all the time and the bare ass's running across
the
> screen and maybe even we could hear the bikes for a change, how about
that?
> Hear the thumpers thumping and the 2-strokes scream. Maybe I am old
fashion
> but I don't know why motorcross has to mean grunge.
> --
I always watch them first before I decide if he can watch them. I don't want
my son to grow up in a shell with me hiding everything that is not a rose
from him. There is definitely a line that I will not cross.
Gary
js
Gary Solomons <gar...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Big Daddy Mike
99 WR400F
SoCal
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I used to get a ton of static for having both my ears pierced, but you
know what? It was from old farts like you who got a ton of static from
your parents for listening to Elvis or the Beatles. It happens every
generation, the limits are pushed, what was formerly unacceptable is now
mainstream, and every generation gets pissed off at the one after it.
I'm sure when I get old and crotchety like you, Gary, then I'll be
bitching on RMD about not exposing my kid to something as trivial as a
tattoo or colored or shaven hair.
Like the old saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover.
J&K
Special thanks to the following:
Jim Cook at www.Smackovermotorsports.com Jeff at www.mxsouth.com and
John Duffy at www.appliedrace.com
I just re-read the column, and it in NO WAY hints that Jeremy is gay. OR
knocks anybody the way I read it. It's (an imaginary) conversation between
Jody as his pals. Funny. I also gather from most of the replies to this
thread that few have read the column.
Anybody offended takes himself too damn seriously.
Chris Orndorff
F4Bik...@aol.com
One thing I've always found interesting about this ng is that when it's our
personal opinion it's just that...a personal opinion. But when it's someone
else's opinion and we don't agree with it, then it's bashing or stupidity or
one of a dozen other heinous crimes which makes it ok to indulge in flaming and
name calling. Where's SER? I'm sure he could find some sort of explanation
that would make this all seem logical to me.
Geez, I have never been called a old fart before, I did not know 33
qualified me for that.
If you are so shallow you are going to judge someone just by
> having tattoos and a funky do,
I have bad news for you "bro" in the real world people are judged by how
they look. First impressions are a bitch to change. And if you call me
shallow with never meeting me again, this old fart will kick your young
pierced ass. : )
I'm sure when I get old and crotchety like you, Gary,
It is a real shame that trying to be a good parent to my son means I am
crotchety. I will tell you what. If you ever have a child that you are man
enough to raise( which I doubt ) then talk to me about it.
Like the old saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover.
That is true but It does give me a damn good idea about what is inside.
> One thing I've always found interesting about this ng
> is that when it's our personal opinion it's just that...a
> personal opinion. But when it's someone else's
> opinion and we don't agree with it, then it's bashing
> or stupidity or one of a dozen other heinous crimes
> which makes it ok to indulge in flaming and name calling.
Well, wake up and smell the coffee honey, because that's how "real" life
operates too, except people are not as frank. Only problem is, in
"real" life people gossip and talk behind your back over issues just
like this, instead of being up front.
> Where's SER? I'm sure he could find some sort of
> explanation that would make this all seem logical to me.
He's our talking to himself on the trail trying to avoid plants while
singing aloud. <lol>
I guess the whole point of my post was I found it very laughable that
some one was trying to shield their child against the evils of <gasp!>
tattoos and <ohhhhh!> colored hair, and the big one <shreik!> heavy
metal music, when there are much bigger issues to deal with, like (at 5
years old) kidnappers and candy from strangers. Perhaps I was a bit,
ummm, shall we say, "raw", but having people stereo-type someone due to
their style of dress or haircut is something I've experienced in the
past, perhaps it hit a nerve.
If the kid wants to watch motorcycle vids, and you don't want him to,
then don't let him. You're the parent. If he absolutely MUST watch,
buy a second VCR, edit out the offensive footage, and plug in a RCA jack
off the stereo and dub in your own soundtrack. Would Metzger going big
set to Peter, Paul, and Mary be more suitable? What abot a crash
sequence set to Kenny Loggins "I'm Alright?" Hummm...that actually
might be pretty cool.....:-)
See? That wasn't so hard afterall, was it? For as little as $80, you
can have a play only VCR and plug it right in to your current VCR.
Look J&K, The point I was making was that in my opinion to me it is a shame
that MX has changed so much and lost so many good roll models. I have
nothing against Metzger. The guy is awsome but he is shit to use as a role
model. And before you say he is just a rider not a roll model again I say
that is crap.As soon as you start getting paid for what you are doing and
become a video star you become a roll model. It is part of the deal of
professional sports. And as far as you telling me how to raise my child,
again as I said before I pre watch the video and if it is ok he watches it
and if not, he dosen't, that is called parenting. As far as the music( if
you must call it that) It does not bother me at all but I do wish I could
here some of the bikes instead of the constant music noise. One question for
you. What makes you think that I dont teach him about the big problems of
strangers and such, of course we do. Get a grip and stop trying to read more
into what I said than I really did.
Gary
I read it, and all I got from it was that he was stating an
opinion about some things he didn't like. Big deal. What's
wrong with offering an opinion?
GL Banks
glb...@ro.com
You might be surprised! See what its started in this instance? And I'm not
convinced the column even represented anyones opinion. I'm aware that Jody has
written very complimentary things about Mr. McGrath.
-Chris Orndorff
F4Bik...@aol.com
> Look J&K, The point I was making was that in my opinion
> to me it is a shame that MX has changed so much and
> lost so many good roll models.
Oh, please name one good role model from back in the day. The guys from
the 70's could definately show your son how the ride dirty, he 80's
guys, well, I suppose some of those guys were not too bad. Jeff Stanton
would come to mind as a good moto-x role model, but his kind
(unfortunately) does not exist anymore.
> I have nothing against Metzger. The guy is awsome
> but he is shit to use as a role model.
I think I could count, on one hand, the amount of professional athletes
in ANY sport that are *true* role models. Why is Mike such a bad role
model, BTW? Because of tattoos or funky hair?
> And before you say he is just a rider not a roll model
> again I say that is crap.As soon as you start getting
> paid for what you are doing and become a video
> star you become a roll model.
Funny, I thought as soon as you started getting paid, you were a
professional. What exactly is a role model, though? Seriously, what is
a role model? Some one you want to be like? Someone who sets an
example, and you look up to? Damn, I guess I'm glad my father was a
strong enough man for him to be my role model and I didn't have to look
elsewhere. Sheesh...he even had a tattoo.
> It is part of the deal of professional sports.
Yes, I have to agree. Thanks to the media, we now know EVERYTHING that
any superstar does, whether it's sport related or not.
> And as far as you telling me how to raise my child,
> again as I said before I pre watch the video and if it
> is ok he watches it and if not, he dosen't, that is called
> parenting.
That is good, and I'm sorry if I came across trying to tell you how to
raise your child. It's good you pre-screen the vids.
> As far as the music( if you must call it that) It does not
> bother me at all but I do wish I could here some
> of the bikes instead of the constant music noise.
In some of the Crusty segments, there is no music and only bike noise.
There are very few segments like this though, at least in Crusty 2, but
in Crusty 2 there are also girls dancing and a dude whiping his ass and
getting roosted. I guess you need to buy that second VCR.
> One question for you. What makes you think that I
> dont teach him about the big problems of strangers
> and such, of course we do.
I just found it funny you sounded so horrified over tattoos and shaved
heads. Kim and I sat here and laughed like mental patients at the
picture I was drawing, of some guy teaching his kid the horrors of skin
art and "look out for the man with the shaven head!", while the other
kids in the park are being taught the needs to stay away from strangers
and such. Guess you had to be here.
> Get a grip
After rereading your original post, you could use a dose of your own
advice.
> and stop trying to read more into what I said than I
> really did.
Did I do that? Sorry dude, but, at any rate, I gave you a great
suggestion on the second VCR thing, but I guess that might be a little
too much work or something. I guess it's just easier to complain about
video content than to actually do something about it.
John Payer
98 RM250 "Custom"
Well first let me say I'm 39. I've been being MISjudged because of my long
hair for as long as I can remember. Why don't I cut it then? Because I can
tell who the judgemental assholes are much faster this way!
> And if you call me
>shallow with never meeting me again, this old fart will kick your young
>pierced ass. : )
>> I'm sure when I get old and crotchety like you, Gary,
>
>It is a real shame that trying to be a good parent to my son means I am
>crotchety. I will tell you what. If you ever have a child that you are man
>enough to raise( which I doubt ) then talk to me about it.
Having met John and having seen how he interacts with children I have no doubt
he will be a GREAT parent & role model! Plus if he's not Kim will probably
kick his ass! (-:
> Like the old saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover.
>
>
>That is true but It does give me a damn good idea about what is inside.
No, I must disagree. You have NO IDEA what's inside till you have spent some
time getting to know someone.....I've met plenty of clean cut CROOKS!!
And before I get bashed as a role model let me say that my daughter is going
to be a senior in high school this year. She is on the honor role, was on the
swim team for the last 4 yrs, is a cheerleader for basketball and is the drum
major of the high school band. I've also taught her to be non-racist
non-homophobic and non-JUDGEMENTAL!!
I'm going to listen to some Kid Rock now. (-;
Jeff
(old hippie)
> Gary Solomons wrote:
Jeff, thank you for quoting this message, it never showed up on my
server.
> >Geez, I have never been called a old fart before,
> >I did not know 33 qualified me for that.
Congrats! You made it man!
> >I have bad news for you "bro" in the real world people
> >are judged by how they look. First impressions
> >are a bitch to change.
I agree 100%, and it's a damn shame it's like that.
> Well first let me say I'm 39. I've been being MISjudged
> because of my long hair for as long as I can remember.
> Why don't I cut it then? Because I can tell who the judgemental
> assholes are much faster this way!
LOL! Classic JBD.
> >And if you call me shallow with never meeting me again,
> >this old fart will kick your young pierced ass.
: )
BBBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Internet tought guys are the greatest. I
think this line tells me more about you than 100 "meetings" with you
ever would. Besides, it should have read ".....call me shallow again
without ever meeting me, ....". Oh well, at least you're a well
groomed.
> >It is a real shame that trying to be a good parent to
> >my son means I am crotchety. I will tell you what.
> >If you ever have a child that you are man enough to
> >raise( which I doubt ) then talk to me about it.
If you say I'm not man enough to raise a child without ever meeting me,
this young pierced punk will kick your old fart ass. : )
See how stupid that sounds?
> Having met John and having seen how he interacts
> with children I have no doubt he will be a GREAT
> parent & role model! Plus if he's not Kim will probably
> kick his ass! (-:
Thank you, Jeff. I love kids, kids like me (cuz I'm just a big kid, and
I guess they can relate to me...lol) and will have kids when the time is
right.
And yes, Kim would definately but boots to me. 8-P
> >That is true but It does give me a damn good idea about
> >what is inside.
No comment.
> No, I must disagree. You have NO IDEA what's
> inside till you have spent some time getting to know
> someone.....I've met plenty of clean cut CROOKS!!
Indeed.
> And before I get bashed as a role model let me say
> that my daughter is going to be a senior in high school
> this year. She is on the honor role, was on the swim team
> for the last 4 yrs, is a cheerleader for basketball
> and is the drum major of the high school band. I've
> also taught her to be non-racist non-homophobic
> and non-JUDGEMENTAL!!
<applause>
> I'm going to listen to some Kid Rock now. (-;
By the looks of this day, I might go back to bed. Too bad that thing
called work gets in the way. :-)
J&K
J Payer wrote:
<snip a bunch of other stuff and several lines of quotes who would tell you
exactly who said what...>
> > >That is true but It does give me a damn good idea about
> > >what is inside.
>
> No comment.
I will comment. I go to work dressed very conservatively, because it is
appropriate to the work place. All of my co-workers think very highly of me,
and in the short time I have been at this job I have been given more
responsibility then people who have been there since the store opened. I am
respected and appreciated. I went in to say hello to my co-workers on my day
off last week (took in my girl-child to show her off and show her where mama
works...) and they were all speechless. had they seen me in my more normal
(normal for me) attire first they would have had an entirely different
opinion of me. THAT is sad, because how many times do people miss out on
meeting fantastic, interesting, kind people because they are so fast to
judge them according to their looks or way of dress? Am I a different person
because I have on a different outfit? Or because I do my hair different? Or
because i wear jewelry made out of chainmail? No. I am just a person with a
strange sense of style, who likes to do her own thing... but who is
honourable, respectful, and hard working.
>Oh, please name one good role model from back in the day. The guys from
>the 70's could definately show your son how the ride dirty,
Roger Decoster, Gary Semics, Tim Hart, Marty Smith, Tony DiSteffano, Adolf
Weil, Gerrit Wolsink, Hiekki Mikkola, Jimmy Wienert, Jim Pomeroy, John
Banks, Jorsov Falta, Rex Staten, Tommy Croft, John Penton, Preston Petty,
Malcom Smith and a whole lot more whose names don't come readily to mind, or
that I can't spell. *G*
I'm sorry but I'll emphatically have to disagree with you about the 70's era
riders riding dirty. Of course there were instances of ummm " over
aggression ", but by and large these guys were heads and shoulders above
*most* of the riders today in terms of sportsmanship, good will towards each
other, the fans and the sport. They had to be. The sport was in it's
infancy and these guys generally traveled together from race to race like a
bunch of box van gypsy's. Only the upper elite at the time ever got a plane
ticket...or a private room.
The situation and the times brought on a camaraderie that is just not as
evident today.
If your looking for motocross and off road role models that are good for
*all* of us, not just kids...start looking in the '70's.
Bruce McCrary
Lexington, NC
NCHSA #765
Senior B
> Ok cease fire. I think all have made our points.
> Lets get back to our one common love, BIKES!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed, happy trails to you and yours.
Fan4Blink wrote:
> August 12, 1999
>
> Mr. Jody Weisel
> Motocross Action Magazine
> 25233 Anza Drive
> Valencia, CA 91355
>
> Dear Mr. Weisel,
>
> Just to get it right?? Do you spell your name with an “I” or a “y”, because my
> girlfriend spells hers with an “I”….. Anyway…
>
> In response to your last Jody’s box in the September issue of Motocross Action
> Magazine, I felt compelled to write you. I would just like to say that first
> off, I myself have been around the Motocross industry for over 20 years, so I
> have seen a lot. I am also in the hair industry, and have seen a lot in the 15+
> years there also. In respect, they both have come a long way.
>
> The one guy that you were referring to with bleached hair, earrings, tattoos
> etc., has proved to EVERYONE that he dominates the sport, he has broken every
> record there is to break and set new ones along the way. That has everything to
> do with his talent and hard work, and nothing to do with what color his hair
> is. His looks have helped bring ladies, guys, and a whole new image to the
> races. This in turn has helped the sport grow and become more mainstream. The
> guys who bleach and dye their hair are considered trendsetters. I have my books
> full of appointments for guys of all ages that ask if they can pay me to look
> like Jeremy McGrath, Emig, Button, Lawrence, Ping, etc. Those are the people
> that you were talking about weren't they? At least I’m not afraid to refer to
> them by name.
>
> Page 2
>
> If these good looking guys didn't look the way they do, they wouldn't be doing
> fashion ads for…Arnette, Fox, No Fear, Troy Lee Designs, GQ Magazine, Playboy
> Magazine etc. Most of these companies advertise in your magazine, just the
> first half from what I thumbed through already, which pay money to keep your
> magazine running and I believe pay your salary?? All this so you can sit in
> your box with your picture next to it…Oh wait…excuse me for just a minute, my
> phone is ringing…Oh just another client, and you better believe he's not asking
> to look like Jody Weisel.
>
> It's just too bad that you can't support the industry and the people in it,
> like we have supported your magazine all these years. Instead of bashing, which
> you do well at, maybe it's time to make a move and/or change…"Change is good".
>
> Launi DiMaggio
> Hairy Situation
> 909.678.7813
>
> Hairdresser to: Jeremy McGrath, Jeff Emig, Jimmy Button, Ernesto Fonseca, Buddy
> Antunez, David Pingree, Phil Lawrence, Randy Lawrence, Nathan Ramsey, John
> Dowd, Kevin Windham, Stephane Roncada, Casey Johnson, Ryan Hughes, Bryan
> McGavran, Davey Coombs, Shaun Palmer and Michael Brandes.
Hey hun, we are talking about 5 year olds. I am instilling (sp?) values now.
B.T.W. I think this thread has run its course a long time ago and is better
left dead. Thank you for your deep deep thoughts.
Gary