Brian Deegan makes me sick!
Tim (fusion1)
Anybody see the Vans SX coverage from San Francisco on ESPN2?
I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
I can't believe I'm saying this because I -SWEAR- I've never felt like
this before, and I'm embarrassed to admit it...
I was actually hoping he wrecked.
God help me, I wanted the guy to crash and get busted up so people
that might not be familiar with MX wouldn't get to listen to him.
That's pretty bad.
On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that stupid.
It's painful to watch, knowing that people are probably seeing this,
and thinking that's how all off-roaders act. <sigh>
Luckily, the other guys interviewed all seemed really cool.
Tim
Michael Hetrick
>On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
>other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
>sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that stupid.
Yeah, I like the part where he said him and his boys are into "hate". My wife
was real impressed with him.
I read in MXA where Shaun Palmer and Deegan got into a fight at the US Open Of
Supercross. The funny thing in the article was the statement: "Who won? WHO
CARES??"
I also really liked the announcer that stated "Thats what freestyle is all
about!!!!!!!" for just about anything that happened.
I sure wish I could jump like them peckerheads though.
OldFart
'00 YZ 426 (on order)
'95 XR-600 (Damn this bike is FUN!)
International Old Timers MX (Idaho Chapter)
Over 40 Amateur #44
Peter Patton
Peter
"Tim (fusion1)" wrote:
> Anybody see the Vans SX coverage from San Francisco on ESPN2?
>
> I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
> camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
>
> I can't believe I'm saying this because I -SWEAR- I've never felt like
> this before, and I'm embarrassed to admit it...
> I was actually hoping he wrecked.
> God help me, I wanted the guy to crash and get busted up so people
> that might not be familiar with MX wouldn't get to listen to him.
> That's pretty bad.
>
> On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
> other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
> sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that stupid.
>
> It's painful to watch, knowing that people are probably seeing this,
> and thinking that's how all off-roaders act. <sigh>
> Luckily, the other guys interviewed all seemed really cool.
>
> Tim
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mlhetr...@yahoo.com (Michael Hetrick) wrote:
> In article <38729716...@news.fast.net>, fus...@fast.net wrote:
>
> >other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
> >sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that
stupid.
>
My wife
> was real impressed with him.
>
> I read in MXA where Shaun Palmer and Deegan got into a fight at the
US Open Of
> Supercross. The funny thing in the article was the statement: "Who
won? WHO
> CARES??"
>
> I also really liked the announcer that stated "Thats what freestyle
is all
> about!!!!!!!" for just about anything that happened.
>
> I sure wish I could jump like them peckerheads though.
>
> OldFart
> '00 YZ 426 (on order)
> '95 XR-600 (Damn this bike is FUN!)
> International Old Timers MX (Idaho Chapter)
> Over 40 Amateur #44
>
I sure as hell don't want to do anyhting like them peckerheads.
Jump ? anybody can hold a throttle on and launch a million feet
into the air and once in a while..they do land correctly. But by
looking at the list of injuries these guys have, to me it looks like
they land wrong most of the time. I am more impressed with film of
Jeff Ward and Ricky Johnson and Jeff Stanton coming down a nasty
rutted whooped out downhill in fifth gear and looking for another gear.
Now that is impressive...cause.. it takes more than just
having a high pain tolerance to do that for 30 minutes plus two
laps. It takes skill. And what skill is used to hold open
a throttle in a straight line on a man-made jump? How about
ever watching Hannah or Magoo coming out of the Screw U jump at
Unadilla?
Or Johnson on the Carlsbad freeway? Give me that before some guy saying
he gets off on hate.
Freddie
Frigging glad I was born a long time ago so I had the chance to see
real men race coffin tanked Maicos.
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Before you buy.
Jim Nelson
Well said Freddie!
Jeff Howe
of skin, period!!!!!! I hope he goes away, far, far away!
Jeff
Tim (fusion1) wrote in message <38729716...@news.fast.net>...
>
>Anybody see the Vans SX coverage from San Francisco on ESPN2?
>
>I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
>camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
>
>I can't believe I'm saying this because I -SWEAR- I've never felt like
>this before, and I'm embarrassed to admit it...
>I was actually hoping he wrecked.
>God help me, I wanted the guy to crash and get busted up so people
>that might not be familiar with MX wouldn't get to listen to him.
>That's pretty bad.
>
>On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
>other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
>sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that stupid.
>
Jen and Ken Murphy
Tim (fusion1) wrote in message <38729716...@news.fast.net>...
>
>Anybody see the Vans SX coverage from San Francisco on ESPN2?
Just a short note Tim,
Yea, I saw the punk and was as appalled as you. I too secretly wanted
to see him wad and bleed. :(
Merf
Jason
under "Netal Militia" I was trying to be nice but you guys
have gone too far! You actually wanted Deegan to crash??
What kind of a hypocrite are you?? You guys talk about how
Deegan mentions how he likes hate and here you guys go
praying for him to crash!! You guys obviously think it's
okay to hate Deegan, but not Deegan to hate the guys who
make fun of him?? That makes sense... oh wait, no it
doesn't. You go talking about how easy it is to jump man-
made jumps... who do you think makes a motocross track??
Not nature that's for sure. Why don't you watch a Crusty
Demons of Dirt Video and watch Deegan jumping real NATURAL
jumps and not a lame track. If jumping's so easy then I'd
like to see you out-jump Deegan! I bet the biggest jump
you've ever done is when you're coasting down a hill in
neutral and you accidentally hit a stick and it gets your
rear tire about 5 milimeters off the ground. Now that's
sick air! Then when you go to talk to your friends, you're
like... "I was hauling down a hill in 5th gear pinned, and
I hit a huge triple and flew like 200 ft, luckily my trusty
'79 CR 125 had 3" of suspension travel or I might have
crashed!" And you don't think racers have many injuries??
Most of the freestyle riders were or are racers like
Pastrana, Hart, DEEGAN, Cinq, and Metz. Most of the
injuries they got was from racing. You don't have to like
the Mulisha or Deegan, but you better respect them for
entertaining you and all motocross fans.
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under "Netal Militia" and take credit for it :) I agree
with what you said about how freestyle and racing takes
skill, but at the X Games, Metz blew out his ACL off a
jump, Clowers broke both his wrists, and Hart knocked
himself out. That's why you didn't see them compete. Thanks
for standing up for freestyle though!
Uwe Hale
> That's why you didn't see them compete. Thanks
> for standing up for freestyle though!
It looks like the jumps are much safer than even a year ago. They used
to just be random piles of dirt that didn't appear to have much thought
put in them. The last freestyle I saw on TV had jumps that gave plenty
of air without requiring much speed. Plus the jumps and landing areas
were long enough that they allowed the riders to land safely instead of
coming up short or overshooting. I'm sure it will improve in the
future and allow even more air while still being safe.
I like the jumps and tricks. It's the circus freak sideshow I could do
without.
Uwe Hale - 99 GasGas EC200, 89 YZ250
http://www.rrdr.org
http://www.smackovermotorsports.com
Gordon L Banks
> The wrestling analogy was made, but at least those guys are comical.
> There's nothing funny about this.
WHADDAYAMEAN COMICAL??
I had my heart set on a career in professional wrestling wardrobe
design, but I never could figure out how to dress a 300 lb. guy in
skin tight orange and purple spandex that said "I'm going to crush
you into a bloody pulp!" and yet "Aren't I sexy?" at the same time.
I'm so untalented!
Gordon Banks
Huntsville,AL
2000 XR400R-KW
Jason
that's pretty stereotypical to say they are people like
Deegan who did it. You don't even know Deegan, I don't even
know Deegan. We come from different sides of the argument,
but I seem to be the only one defending Deegan. Maybe it's
because he's my favorite rider, maybe I don't think it's
fair that you're making fun of him without a good cause.
America is based on freedom of speech and Deegan is
exercising it. He may be losing viewers, and he may be
gaining viewers. To tell you the truth I used to hate
Deegan too, until I caught on to what him and Link were
saying. I really doubt that the image portrayed by him is
gonna close down riding areas. In that aspect, wouldn't you
think that Emig getting caught with drugs would close down
motocross tracks? At least Deegan doesn't break the law.
But I bet all you guys still respect Emig.
James Lince
to have attitudes. It's not just about jumping motorcycles is it? It's the
guys persona, the wacked out statements. Just like we don't confuse
skateboarding and hockey, I'd like to see these guys as far away from MX
racing as possible. The only thing in common with MX is using an MX
motorcycle.
Going off a ramp does not make someone a racer anymore than watching someone
perform stunts in cars makes them a NASCAR driver.
Jason, here seems to have lost this point (if he ever got it). MX'ers jump
to gain speed over terain advantage, but the object is to win the race. If
the fastest line was not to jump, then it wouldn't be done. Jumping is a
part of MX, NOT the primary purpose.
While I might find it interesting to see someone crazy enough to do those
stunts, in no way does it suggest or equate to MX capabilities or skill.
Freestyle is not MX. I for one do not want to see it part of my sport. No
way, no how. Go do your own thing somewhere else, it's got too much of the
doper rebel skateboarder syndrome attached to it and that's not good for
anybody.
Plus the risks involved certainly suggest it's only a matter of time before
this
'that looks cool' activity takes a few kids lives and then our whole sport
will become 'evil' and tracks will close, and that will be that.
Please stay far, far, away from MX. We need these kids like we need a hole
in the head (like they are getting).
Jason <freerider...@motocross.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:07ad677c...@usw-ex0107-056.remarq.com...
> Damn you guys are so stupid it amazes me! In my last post
> under "Netal Militia" I was trying to be nice but you guys
> have gone too far! You actually wanted Deegan to crash??
[bunch of ranting snipped]
Jason
from MX. I wasn't the one saying it's bad for our sport. I
was simply comparing Jeff Emig to Brian Deegan, it might
not be an accurate comparison, but it still works. I didn't
notice you getting into Jeff Emig's drug addiction. Would
you rather have a kid doing drugs 'cause he hears Emig does
it or have a kid talking shit 'cause he sees Deegan doing
it? And the thing about freestyle MX being more dangerous
than racing makes me laugh. When you crash while racing you
risk getting ran over by other riders and landed on by
other riders. In freestyle you're the only one on the
course at a time. Even racers sometimes do tricks over the
finish line. In practically EVERY sport you risk injury,
some are obviously worse than others, but that's why
they're extreme sports. People die racing motorcycles,
people die driving cars, people die many different ways.
Freestyle is dangerous, but it's when the rider goes beyond
his capabilities when he gets hurt, and frankly I don't see
how this compares with Brian Deegan because he didn't
invent freestyle MX.
Peter Patton
the guy that first started to get sideways on his bike and do the
whip..........that is, a CONTROLLED whip. Also don't forget the king of
SX.........MAC. He actually had alot to do with taking freestyle (then
unknown, even by himself) to another notch with his nacnacs and supermacs,
which he did in the setting of racing and winning! Then, last but not
least, Travis, who wins races too, has taken freestyle to even greater
heights. I don't disagree with you that racing is a skill, but I do
disagree that freestyle, and the RK and Seth distance stuff in not a skill.
There is alot more to it than turning the throttle and taking the pain when
you miss, especially in freestyle. Keep in mind that freestyle bicycling is
much more well known and televised that BMX racing, and, IMHO, taked alot
more skill too. As far as injury history goes, keep in mind that Doug
Henry, whos never competed in freestyle, is probably the most injured rider
in history. I think it takes skill AND balls to do any type of motorcycle
stuff. Oh...........the landing bit: I never saw one crash during the
X-Games by any of the riders (at least none that were more that just
slideouts) and it looked to me like they landed them right on. Just admit
it.........you're wrong and I'm right :) Note: the smile indicated
that I am KIDDING. I do think that you should reconsider your thoughts on
freestyle and long distance jumps. Give it a try sometime. It's alot harder
than you think it is.
Peter
fas...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <84qc0e$g86$1...@nnrp02.primenet.com>,
> mlhetr...@yahoo.com (Michael Hetrick) wrote:
> > In article <38729716...@news.fast.net>, fus...@fast.net wrote:
> >
> > >On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
> > >other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
> > >sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that
> stupid.
> >
> > Yeah, I like the part where he said him and his boys are into "hate".
> My wife
> > was real impressed with him.
> >
> > I read in MXA where Shaun Palmer and Deegan got into a fight at the
> US Open Of
> > Supercross. The funny thing in the article was the statement: "Who
> won? WHO
> > CARES??"
> >
> > I also really liked the announcer that stated "Thats what freestyle
> is all
> > about!!!!!!!" for just about anything that happened.
> >
> > I sure wish I could jump like them peckerheads though.
> >
> > OldFart
> > '00 YZ 426 (on order)
> > '95 XR-600 (Damn this bike is FUN!)
> > International Old Timers MX (Idaho Chapter)
> > Over 40 Amateur #44
> >
>
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>Jump ? anybody can hold a throttle on and launch a million feet
>into the air and once in a while
Not me. Got the Chicken Shit gene.
OldFart
'00 YZ 426
Tim (fusion1)
>Damn you guys are so stupid it amazes me! In my last post
>under "Netal Militia" I was trying to be nice but you guys
>have gone too far! You actually wanted Deegan to crash??
>What kind of a hypocrite are you?? You guys talk about how
>Deegan mentions how he likes hate and here you guys go
>praying for him to crash!! You guys obviously think it's
>okay to hate Deegan, but not Deegan to hate the guys who
>make fun of him??
That was me that said that, and I'll tell you why.
Because I CARE what people think about MX. The guy can do NO good.
The wrestling analogy was made, but at least those guys are comical.
There's nothing funny about this.
We finally have a chance to get some limelight and beat a negative
image, and we have this chump popping off whenever they stick a mic in
his face. Hell, half of what he says doesn't even make any goddamn
sense. Its pretty obvious by looking at him that my sister could kick
his ass too, but thats not the point...
He's sending a lousy message out to potentially millions of people
that AREN'T involved in the sport. People that might have a say on our
riding areas getting closed down.
As far as respecting them for entertaining us, give me a freaking
break. It was a-holes like him that got a 5000 acre riding area closed
near me. They didn't give a shit about the sport or fun of riding, as
long as they got to party there and act like "crusty" hard asses.
Is it that hard to see the big picture here?
I can't imagine anyone that really loves MX deep down doesn't get
this. Jeezus, that's depressing.
Tim
grave...@my-deja.com
In article <07ad677c...@usw-ex0107-056.remarq.com>,
Jason <freerider...@motocross.com.invalid> wrote:
> Damn you guys are so stupid it amazes me! In my last post
> under "Netal Militia" I was trying to be nice but you guys
> have gone too far! You actually wanted Deegan to crash??
> What kind of a hypocrite are you?? You guys talk about how
> Deegan mentions how he likes hate and here you guys go
> praying for him to crash!! You guys obviously think it's
> okay to hate Deegan, but not Deegan to hate the guys who
> make fun of him?? That makes sense... oh wait, no it
> doesn't. You go talking about how easy it is to jump man-
> made jumps... who do you think makes a motocross track??
> Not nature that's for sure. Why don't you watch a Crusty
> Demons of Dirt Video and watch Deegan jumping real NATURAL
> jumps and not a lame track. If jumping's so easy then I'd
> like to see you out-jump Deegan! I bet the biggest jump
> you've ever done is when you're coasting down a hill in
> neutral and you accidentally hit a stick and it gets your
> rear tire about 5 milimeters off the ground. Now that's
> sick air! Then when you go to talk to your friends, you're
> like... "I was hauling down a hill in 5th gear pinned, and
> I hit a huge triple and flew like 200 ft, luckily my trusty
> '79 CR 125 had 3" of suspension travel or I might have
> crashed!" And you don't think racers have many injuries??
> Most of the freestyle riders were or are racers like
> Pastrana, Hart, DEEGAN, Cinq, and Metz. Most of the
> injuries they got was from racing. You don't have to like
> the Mulisha or Deegan, but you better respect them for
> entertaining you and all motocross fans.
>
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|>
|>
|> I like the jumps and tricks. It's the circus freak sideshow I could do
|> without.
|>
|> Uwe Hale - 99 GasGas EC200, 89 YZ250
|> http://www.rrdr.org
|> http://www.smackovermotorsports.com
|>
|>
--
Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed pretty
straight though.
Are we just getting old?
Wes
MXOldtimer
stupid spikes attached to his armor. That was one of the most STUPID things
i've ever seen . On the other hand im getting more and more impressed with what
these kids are doing in the air with there bikes. They are taking jumping to
the next level and Im amazed with there talent, I just wounder what it will be
like in another 10 years .If you think its just holding the throttle open and
hitting a pile of dirt your not really watching. I know for myself when i get
out of shape in the air its PUCKER TIME and im only a few feet in the air
,these kids are up there, and they do it on purpose so I say more power to them
. I just wish Deegan would stop trying to turn it into the WWF those kids
deserve some respect.
Doug
Old guys bash kids because they try to change things and kids bash old guys
because they cant change
Mike W.
Wesley Grass wrote:
> --
> Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
> Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed pretty
> straight though.
I think the guys who get into all that rebel BS are one of two possible
types. One group are the vegetables who are *totally* over their head
whenever they're in front of a bunch of normal people and tv cameras...
acting like an asshole is their only possible option. Deegan is clearly
of this type. The other type is the intentionally obnoxious, who are
smart opportunists that avail themselves of the endorsement deals to
sell the No Fear philosophy to other sheep throughout TV-land. Let's
face it... not-so-bright folks who need simple, ultra-easily understood,
prepackaged personalities that will keep them well away from anyone and
everyone who might ask them to think/produce/contribute/work, complete
with sparkly colorful uniforms are an exploding demographic and market
theory guarantees someone will step up to take their $ too. It's just
WAY too easy in their case:)
Related side note... used to play for a hockey team owned by Eddie
Shore... Eddie was to violence what Einstein was to physics...
unparalleled brilliance. Deegan was exactly the sort of guy Eddie taught
us to recognize as "fake tough" (aka "pussy"), which of course we were
also trained to attack and liberate as many teeth from as possible...
gotta keep those ticket sales up! Man, I miss fighting... er.. uh..
hockey:)
>
> Are we just getting old?
YOU are. I'm already there.
Mike W.
Mike W.
Gordon L Banks wrote:
> I had my heart set on a career in professional wrestling wardrobe
> design, but I never could figure out how to dress a 300 lb. guy in
> skin tight orange and purple spandex that said "I'm going to crush
> you into a bloody pulp!" and yet "Aren't I sexy?" at the same time.
>
I know what you mean there Gordon... took me months to find my spandex
artist.
Mike "I'm going to crush you into a bloody pulp" W.
(I don't wrestle... I just like the look:)
96 XR400
Mike W.
Jason,
How can you respect this guy? He's a good jumper, yes, but as a person
he's gone out of his way to prove himself worthless. His
message/philosophy is indefensible. You are approaching this discussion
respectfully and I even appreciate your argument about hypocrisy, though
it's clear that the low regard for him in here is for very specific,
widely accepted reasons while his is more some idiot teenage image
thing. It's clear you're not on the same side of the fence,
philosophically speaking... why try to put a good spin on a clearly
toxic message from someone who is an embarrassment to our sport and
species?
Mike W.
Jason wrote:
>
> That sucks that a riding area near you got shut down, but
> that's pretty stereotypical to say they are people like
> Deegan who did it. You don't even know Deegan, I don't even
> know Deegan. We come from different sides of the argument,
> but I seem to be the only one defending Deegan. Maybe it's
> because he's my favorite rider, maybe I don't think it's
> fair that you're making fun of him without a good cause.
> America is based on freedom of speech and Deegan is
> exercising it. He may be losing viewers, and he may be
> gaining viewers. To tell you the truth I used to hate
> Deegan too, until I caught on to what him and Link were
> saying. I really doubt that the image portrayed by him is
> gonna close down riding areas. In that aspect, wouldn't you
> think that Emig getting caught with drugs would close down
> motocross tracks? At least Deegan doesn't break the law.
> But I bet all you guys still respect Emig.
>
Uwe Hale
> In that aspect, wouldn't you
> think that Emig getting caught with drugs would close down
> motocross tracks? At least Deegan doesn't break the law.
> But I bet all you guys still respect Emig.
Nope. That was black eye on the sport too. Didn't really respect him
before that either due to the party image he projected. This is
supposed to be professional racing.
The MX guys I respect are Hannah, Johnson, Stanton, Kiedrowski,
McGrath, Larocco, Ward, DeCoster and dozens of others.
Off-road guys are Roesler<sp>, Dan Smith<?>, Hammel, Hawkins,
Cunningham, Burleson...
They trained hard and won races. Yes, some like Hannah had attitudes.
But he'd never grab a tube of silicon and put spikes on his flak jak
to get attention. He'd beat the heck out of the competition instead.
Uwe Hale
> Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
> Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed pretty
> straight though.
> Are we just getting old?
I'll put the flame suit on. Yes we are old. We are a different generation.
We grew up with respect for others. We were raised before Dr. Spock and all
the timeout crap. We knew the consequences of our actions. We got noticed by
working hard and succeeding and making a name for ourselves. Our role models
weren't Beavis&Butthead. We weren't spoiled kids that got handed a new bike
every year. We had to get jobs and mow lawns and ...
Making a fool of yourself is the easy and lazy way to get somewhere today.
Winning races involves more work and commitment than most of today's youth is
willing to put into it.
Sorry, that's enough ranting and stereotyping. I just wish there were more
Pastranas than Deegans today.
95l...@my-deja.com
interview. You can take the trash out of the trailer but you CAN'T
take the trailer trash out of Deegan. Now don't everyone get offended
about this comment, it's just a spin off of Deegan's own statement
about moving up in the world out of the trailer and into an apartment.
I by no means feel living in a trailer determines the quality of a
person.
This guy is just some punk who wasn't good enough to make it in the
supercross/motocross profession so he turned to this as a means to make
his living. Sure he can most likely blow my door off on the track, but
at least my philosophy on riding is about the sense of freedom I get
when I ride, not to be a fool preaching hate and do it for the money
attitude.
Deegan, get a better life.
In article <38729716...@news.fast.net>,
fus...@fast.net wrote:
>
> Anybody see the Vans SX coverage from San Francisco on ESPN2?
>
> I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
> camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
>
> I can't believe I'm saying this because I -SWEAR- I've never felt like
> this before, and I'm embarrassed to admit it...
> I was actually hoping he wrecked.
> God help me, I wanted the guy to crash and get busted up so people
> that might not be familiar with MX wouldn't get to listen to him.
> That's pretty bad.
>
> On camera, he comes off as stupid beyond comprehension, berating the
> other riders and saying it's "all about the money" 4 times per
> sentence. Since that's "really him", I guess he really is that stupid.
>
> It's painful to watch, knowing that people are probably seeing this,
> and thinking that's how all off-roaders act. <sigh>
> Luckily, the other guys interviewed all seemed really cool.
>
> Tim
>
>
Miscellaneous,Etc.
"Tim (fusion1)" wrote:
> I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
> camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
I was amazed by Deegan's bad boy BS when I saw the X games. Luckily,
Deegan looked really stiff and lousy compared to Pastrana who was more
fluid and natural than I could imagine. No comparison. Maybe Deegan should
stop wasting his energy on hate and start treating the sport like an art
form.
It'll bite him on the ass eventually. Can't do much for the sponsorships
(good ones)
dean h
Leav Home
>message/philosophy is indefensible.
Sorry to seem like the ignorant one here but, what is his message? I haven't
been able to follow the series at all so I don't have a clue. Thanks.
-Franky
Dave Dude
<Xjim....@Xmciworld.com> wrote:
snip
> Go do your own thing somewhere else, it's got too much of the
>doper rebel skateboarder syndrome attached to it and that's not good for
>anybody.
>
Ummmm, wait a minute. I just got me a new board, been waiting a long
time to find a good one, picked it up while in Fla at Ron Jons surf
shop in Cocoa beach. Its a Powell "Poke Angel" narrow street deck Very
nice. 7 plies of hard rock maple. I forgot who made the trucks but its
got very nice "Bones" red dot smooth wheels and good "Bones Reds"
bearings. Actually I bought it for my son, but guess who rides it
too?<G> I'm 41yrs old, and am quite pleased I have enough rebel
skateboarder in me to outskate my son(so far). Of course I'm not doin
kickflips, or grinds or slides but I appreciate the SKILL it takes to
do stuff like that. On my YZ250, I'm not doing heelclickers, can-cans,
supermans, nac-nacs or even going very fast but can appreciate the
SKILL it takes to do such things. Personally I'd be very happy to do a
whipped look back. Without crashing. What I don't appreciate is
ASSHOLES in any sport and allthough I can be a major one myself I'm
glad I'm not as bad as Deegan is.
Dave "hope I don't crack my tailbone" Dude
96yz250
Tim (fusion1)
We're exercising our right to free speech, too.
I wish I did know Deegan. I'd tell him the same things I'm writing
here. Can I tell you something?
When he won the 125 Supercross as a veritable unknown, I cheered.
I didn't know him then, did I? That doesn't matter.
I was glad to see an underdog win. The bike launch seemed sincere and
exuberant, if not the best thought out thing to do.
Later on, I read articles on him, talking about his hobby being
"boning peoples daughters" (that's kind of funny, but not what I'd
want in an article about my accomplishments), and started to think
that maybe he was a jerk-off.
Then I saw him and Linkogle on camera (I think it was on an MTV sports
special), and realized it was worse than I ever imagined.
Two guys that sounded 1 IQ point above retarded are on MTV making the
sport I've loved since I was a kid look like it has a bunch of stupid,
anti-social flunkies participating in it.
The interview at the SF even just re-enforced all of that.
He's not going to change, so at this point, I just want him and that
stupid image out of the sport.
As far as your comments on Emig:
I do respect Emig, in fact. The reason I do is that he got caught
doing something extremely stupid, and in a very refreshing change from
weasel athletes today, he basically said "yea, that was stupid. I
really screwed up."
He didn't badmouth Kawasaki, he didn't say it was due to pressure put
on him to perform like Carmichael did in the 125 Nats, he just took
responsibility, and went on with his career.
Do you think he would change the situation if he had a chance to go
back to that party? I think he would.
Someday, Deegans probably going to wake up, devoid of any support,
devoid of any friends in the industry (except his flophouse room mate
Linkogle) wishing he hadn't been so obnoxious.
Tim
Jason <freerider...@motocross.com.invalid> wrote:
>That sucks that a riding area near you got shut down, but
>that's pretty stereotypical to say they are people like
>Deegan who did it. You don't even know Deegan, I don't even
>know Deegan. We come from different sides of the argument,
>but I seem to be the only one defending Deegan. Maybe it's
>because he's my favorite rider, maybe I don't think it's
>fair that you're making fun of him without a good cause.
>America is based on freedom of speech and Deegan is
>exercising it. He may be losing viewers, and he may be
>gaining viewers. To tell you the truth I used to hate
>Deegan too, until I caught on to what him and Link were
>saying. I really doubt that the image portrayed by him is
>gonna close down riding areas. In that aspect, wouldn't you
Pete Plassmann
Jason, it IS guys like Deegan who get riding areas closed. They have no concern
for anyone else, or what htey're doing. Their "F*** YOU" attitude really upsets
other folks who see us as marginal, anyway. Acting like that around your pals
is one thing, but putting that persona on around strangers and folks outside the
sport does absolutely no good.
I ended up riding with some guys like that a few months ago. They would blast
buy people on the trail without slowing, showering them with gravel and dust. I
heard pebbles pinging off more than one truck as we passed. I had a little chat
with those guys, and they basically couldn't have cared less. They did cool it
for the rest of the time I was around, though.
I don't know if it's a youth thing, or what. Did I act like that when I was
17-22 years old? I don't think so.
As far as Emig goes, he broke the law, and he paid the price. It cost him his
job, and a certain amount of his time and money. As far as his "lifestyle"
goes, he knew he was in trouble well before he got caught. He just about
admitted that several times. Now, he has to straighten out and fly right if he
wants to do well. Gee, sounds like what my dad told me 30 years ago.
Pete P.
Jason wrote:
> That sucks that a riding area near you got shut down, but
> that's pretty stereotypical to say they are people like
> Deegan who did it. You don't even know Deegan, I don't even
> know Deegan. We come from different sides of the argument,
> but I seem to be the only one defending Deegan. Maybe it's
> because he's my favorite rider, maybe I don't think it's
> fair that you're making fun of him without a good cause.
> America is based on freedom of speech and Deegan is
> exercising it. He may be losing viewers, and he may be
> gaining viewers. To tell you the truth I used to hate
> Deegan too, until I caught on to what him and Link were
> saying. I really doubt that the image portrayed by him is
> gonna close down riding areas. In that aspect, wouldn't you
> think that Emig getting caught with drugs would close down
> motocross tracks? At least Deegan doesn't break the law.
> But I bet all you guys still respect Emig.
>
Pete Plassmann
be, entertainment, and not lifestyle guidance.
Pete P>
James Lince
Jason <freerider...@motocross.com.invalid> wrote in message
> Yea I see what ya mean about freestyle MX being different
> from MX. I wasn't the one saying it's bad for our sport. I
> was simply comparing Jeff Emig to Brian Deegan, it might
> not be an accurate comparison, but it still works. I didn't
> notice you getting into Jeff Emig's drug addiction. Would
Don't change the subject. I see you are either young or/and have a low level
of associative ethics --- my not calling attention to something else bad,
does not make the bad I am calling attention to 'better'.
> you rather have a kid doing drugs 'cause he hears Emig does
> it or have a kid talking shit 'cause he sees Deegan doing
I don't want either, fair enough?
> it? And the thing about freestyle MX being more dangerous
> than racing makes me laugh. When you crash while racing you
Well there are controlled risks and there is flying through the air 200feet
alah Evil K, and his famous saying "Kid's don't try this at home". Vs.
running around on a track. Big difference to me (a rider) and certainly to
almost ALL the Mom's out there. Look at the soccer fiasco that happened a
few years back, a few kids got head injuries and wham, a whole national
movement was put in play to either a) Ban Soccer, or b) wear football gear.
Now, Jason, what do you think they will do to my local track when a 13 year
old kid with a 250MX'er with no riding experience, goes on the baddest jump
he can find WFO and winds up either a) dead, or b) paralysed for life. Can
you say three wheelers?
Don't be a complete idiot about this--- because this is exactly what is
going to happen. As a beginner MX'er, I *can't* ride WFO on a track, I will
crash or run off the course, and I will tumble and fall on the ground. Big
deal a broken arm maybe. As a freebased (sic) rider, I can just buy or
borrow the bike, line up on the ramp, with all my buddies egging me on, hit
the gas, and go sailing to my doom. Big, big, difference.
[strawman snipped]
> people die driving cars, people die many different ways.
> Freestyle is dangerous, but it's when the rider goes beyond
> his capabilities when he gets hurt, and frankly I don't see
So Seth went beyond his capabilities, right?
> how this compares with Brian Deegan because he didn't
> invent freestyle MX.
Please take the MX out of it!
Michael Hetrick
>.. I just wish Deegan would stop trying to turn it into the WWF those kids
>deserve some respect.
I was just thinking of the WWF angle myself.
> Doug
> Old guys bash kids because they try to change things and kids bash old guys
>because they cant change
Pretty philosophical there Doug! =)
Joseph Siegfried
would have stayed around and spanked now and then Im sure he would be
respectable. It wouldnt
matter how well he does anything the only people that will ever like him
are childish whoremonging drug addits that have nothing to say thats
worth listening to. Imagine how embarrased he'll be if
he comes down off the drugs and replays his interviews.
James Lince
DH: Did you mess around in school a lot?
BD: Actually, I never went to school, instead, I went riding and faked my
grades.
DH: Did you graduate?
BD: Heck yeah, I never failed a class in my life.
*which one is it? He faked this grades, so therefore he never 'failed'?
DH: What about the bikes getting ripped off, do you want to say anything to
the thieves?
BD: It's just a weird deal, we woke up in Atlanta and the bikes and gear
weren't there. Shit happens, I've stole shit before and people have stole
from me.
*I love this one. It's a classic.
DH: So you never got into the mainstream of things in high school like
sports?
BD: I did play soccer, but for the most part all those sports were lame.
There isn't any danger involved; team sports suck. You have a bunch of kooks
that can blow the whole deal for you-I'll stick to the solo sports.
*Meaning he can't make it as part of a team. He's soloing all right, in the
bathroom maybe.
DH: I think the Bad Guy image had something to do with the LA Ghost ride.
Any regrets?
BD: Definitely no regrets on that, I worked so hard for that win-it's one of
the greatest moments of my life. At the time, I just wanted to throw my
bike, but I didn't realize it would cause so much trouble--I didn't even
think anyone would care, but it caused quiet a scene.
*Boo hoo. Can you say IDIOT?
DH: Have you ever had a job other than racing?
BD: I have never worked a f*#*in' day in my life. I just opened a snowboard
shop, so I'll go down there and deal with a few customers. It's pretty cool
because not a lot of people know who I am or what I do, they think I just
work at the shop. That's all the work I have ever done, but if I have to get
a job, I'm not scared--it doesn't matter to me.
*Duh. This guy really is a morron. He says he never worked a day in his life
(cool) and then says 'I work at the shop'. Duh, duh. What an ACT!
BD: If I was to go into a fight with 20 guys, they would be there for me and
never talk behind my back.
*Oh wow, that's tough talk isn't it.
DH: So you live with a porn star??
BD: Full-blown porn star. We thought of this idea to do a Crusty Demons of
Dirt porno so he(Ronnie) called John Doe at Vivid Video and John was so
pumped on the idea. A few days later, they filmed in my living room. It's
kind of a motocross/porn thing. They wanted me to be in it, but I figured I
didn't need to be in there. The motocross community would freak out about
that.
*Oh this is ripe for America. Our first MX spokesperson who's also a porn
star (a legend in his own mind).
There is alot more there, I just can't go on....it's too freaking
rediculous. Get this guy out of here (MX)! This clown is little more than a
tough talking rapper image, what a joke. Why, oh why, does the spotlight
shine on these types? I just don't get it.
Jim
David Levy
Championship races on SpeedVision!
fas...@my-deja.com wrote in message <84qsov$kvm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
><snip>
>it takes more than just
>having a high pain tolerance to do that for 30 minutes plus two
>laps. It takes skill. And what skill is used to hold open
>a throttle in a straight line on a man-made jump? How about
>ever watching Hannah or Magoo coming out of the Screw U jump at
>Unadilla?
>Or Johnson on the Carlsbad freeway? Give me that before some guy saying
>he gets off on hate.
>
>Freddie
>
>Frigging glad I was born a long time ago so I had the chance to see
>real men race coffin tanked Maicos.
>
>
>
David Levy
Wesley Grass wrote in message ...
><snip>
>
>Are we just getting old?
>
>Wes
David Levy
had bikes because they don't have any money. They ran over a bunch of
things but they *did* use a mower.
You can slam Deegan all you want but when you start slamming Beavis &
Butthead, you're treading on thin ice! Next thing you know, you'll be
slamming Cartman! Got Dammit!
Uwe Hale wrote in message ...
><snip>
>Our role models
>weren't Beavis&Butthead. We weren't spoiled kids that got handed a new
bike
>every year. We had to get jobs and mow lawns and ...
>
><snip>
Pete Plassmann
He had just passed O'Mara for the lead at the bottom. This was the race
that O'Mara gave Hannah the gas tank from his Honda on the podium. What a
race!
Pete P.
> fas...@my-deja.com wrote in message <84qsov$kvm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> ><snip>
> > How about
> >ever watching Hannah or Magoo coming out of the Screw U jump at
> >Unadilla?
> >Freddie
> >
Dudley Cornman
> Freestyle is dangerous, but it's when the rider goes beyond
> his capabilities when he gets hurt, and frankly I don't see
> invent freestyle MX.
Freestyle is all about going past your capabilities... pushing the
envolope. It would seem from teh posts in this thread that most people
like the freestyle competitions (or at least can tolerate it). What they
don't like like is his punkish attitude and image. Someone pointed out
that Deegan was just exercising his freedom of speeh... the same goes
for his detractors.
dsc - acssysdsc
Mike W.
Go Uwe!!! Well-said. We're raising a daughter and it seems extremely
difficult to keep her away from this crap. Even though we try our asses
off, she is getting some of that
"expects-everything-on-a-silver-platter" mentality. My wife and I were
both raised by parents (no... I'm not saying I married my sister...
ICK!) who went through the depression, and WW2 and my dad also spent 15
years in the Merchant Marine (one of the things that I most admire about
that generation was that there were no shit-jobs... everyone could be
respected for being a decent person and showing up). I wish the lessons
that came out of people who went through all that could be passed on to
my own kid, though by all available evidence I'm just another suburban
techno-yuppie now (*please* kill me!!!!) and therefore can't offer these
things as well as my parents did. Maybe all of the things you lament in
your post are an unavoidable consequence of the post-WW2 prosperity and
we'll only get back to it when our own kids grow up and read about our
parents?
Mike W.
Old and proud of it (today)
96 XR400
Uwe Hale wrote:
>
> In article <FnsKI...@arraycomm.com>, Wesley Grass wrote:
>
> > Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
> > Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed pretty
> > straight though.
> > Are we just getting old?
>
> I'll put the flame suit on. Yes we are old. We are a different generation.
> We grew up with respect for others. We were raised before Dr. Spock and all
> the timeout crap. We knew the consequences of our actions. We got noticed by
> working hard and succeeding and making a name for ourselves. Our role models
> weren't Beavis&Butthead. We weren't spoiled kids that got handed a new bike
> every year. We had to get jobs and mow lawns and ...
>
> Making a fool of yourself is the easy and lazy way to get somewhere today.
> Winning races involves more work and commitment than most of today's youth is
> willing to put into it.
>
> Sorry, that's enough ranting and stereotyping. I just wish there were more
> Pastranas than Deegans today.
>
Mike W.
Damn you get up early... rotten kids... <s>
Anyway, I think I was being gracious when I implied he actually had a
message. He is more a Nihilist... he believes in nothing and seems to be
hatefully annoyed about it. To put it in context, pick the person you
know with the lowest brains/tactfullness ratio and then get him
screaming shit-faced drunk. Then wait till he's in a bad mood and ask
him for his opinion on anything... you've got Deegan and those like
Deegan.
Mike W.
Dudley Cornman
> think that Emig getting caught with drugs would close down
> motocross tracks? At least Deegan doesn't break the law.
And how do you know that...
dsc - acssysdsc
IRKurt
____________________________________________________________________
In article <07ad677c...@usw-ex0107-056.remarq.com>, Jason
<freerider...@motocross.com.invalid> writes:
>You don't have to like
>the Mulisha or Deegan, but you better respect them for
>entertaining you and all motocross fans.
____________________________________________________________________
Here lies some of the difference in opinion between "young and old," as I see
it. Young Americans have been taught that "respect" is an entitlement.
You cannot order anyone to deliver "respect."
I'm sorry for your age group. You have lost the meaning and the concept of the
term as we "old guys" learned it. The concept represented by the word has been
obfuscated by misuse of the term. Current "politically correct mores" have
taught you that persons bullied into mouthing a stylish mantra, or fearing
another, constitutes "respect."
That's bullshit.
Nothing personal Jason. Just an observation from an "old guy."
Kurt
'99 KX 250
Jay C
>
> I hope its shtick (he proudly says thats "really the way he is" on
> camera), but Brian Deegan acts like such an ass that I can't stand it.
I'm with you dood - even my nine-year-old daughter was hollaring "Deegan
Sucks!" at the TV set during his run - and she doesn't know freestyle MX
from shineola! I guess his retard interview coupled with his stupid spiked
roost protector did it for even the kiddies ;).
Jay
"Mashed Mulisha"
Dudley Cornman
It still sounds like Deegan is a prick... reguardless of his skills, or
anything else. That seems to be mostly what everyone has a problem with.
dsc - acssysdsc
Dudley Cornman
>
> I like the jumps and tricks. It's the circus freak sideshow I could do
> without.
I can't say why, but I really don't care for freestyle competitions
(even though :these guys are good!). I turned it on one night watched
one guy jump, then went on to something more interesting. Now I would
never turn off a MX race, a Trials exhibition, or anything else dirt
bike related.
dsc - acssysdsc
JETPILOT12
VERY good point. Guess its okay to do and be trash, just do not talk it.
Theres a good message to be sent.--------Mike B
JETPILOT12
minority in this world.------------Mikey Boy
JETPILOT12
>should
>be, entertainment, and not lifestyle guidance.
I suppose usyouth should Idolize millionaire rappers who THINK they ar bad
asses into "Gangster rap" Give me a godamn break!. I think all the little
bitches who drive lowriders and talk about rap songs and BS like that are way
off set then I am, Crusty videos don't make me do anything to change a
lifestyle that I already embraced. Deegan saying funny shit also does not make
me wanna go and rape and pillage. If you take him seriously then you are a
blatant retard. Nuf said. Before you mark us as the misguided youth, take a
look at all the other fucked up retarded teenagers that are around, walking
around looking up to Muff Daddy or whoever, walking into a night club eith a
gun and the other rap assholes that shoot up people cause they wanna look bad
and big. DAMN that pisses me off, I mean direct your anger at some real
problems not shit like your trails will be closed due to Deegan joking around,
trust me the rest of the world sees thru this , unlike you
folks.------------------mikey Boy
JETPILOT12
>
>
Death metal rules------------Mikey
JETPILOT12
1. Jet Ski's PWC. (we *need* national press showing an a-hole telling
boaters where they can stick it, and he is into 'hate', the bans are already
in the works).
What does this mean?I am a watercraft racer and work hard at keeping my shit
open to ride in, i mean you guys think you have problems?? ya aint seen shit
about closures till ya been a freestyle watercraft racer/rider, Its
disgusting. Please explain. ------------------Mike B
JETPILOT12
G's Have you not seen Deegan beating the shit outta the dude?? Its cool as
hell. He looks a lil tough there buddys, dont think you wanna get your old
asses mixed up wif dat--------------------Mikey boy
SCW
From: JETPILOT12 <jetpi...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Metal Mulisha
> HAHAHAHAHA THAT IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HEARD ALL DAY. Um i believe thats
what
> you old posers call "The pot calling the kettle black"
Poser? Me? I don't think so. I make no claims about riding prowess. In
fact, I often poke fun at myself in my ride articles on RMD and on my web
pages. But, with bare feet and bare fists I have no question whatsoever
that I could make him taste his own blood before he ever saw it coming.
To Deegan's credit, he's never claimed to be tough. Even still, it would be
a hoot to see him get his ass kicked. An even bigger hoot to do it myself.
He's probably the type to go running to a lawyer.
> hehehehahhahahhehehehhahaha Wanna say this BS to Deegans face? Links??
Sure. Anytime.
>> Somebody did a backflip (and landed it) on an XR-50 in Crusty 2000.
> Thought you hated the art of CRUSTY?----------Mike B
I don't recall saying I didn't like Crusty flicks. I said in a recent post
on RMD that C2K had less party lifestyle BS than the others and that it was
pretty good.
Later,
Give Link and Deegan my regards.
"SpodeKill"
Scott Wilson
95 KLX-365
99 KLX-300 (Cam)
96 KX-100 (Corey)
www.dirtrider.net/zerogravity
www.dirtrider.net/planetklx
- Don't complain about the things you tolerate.
Brian Luttman
Would you let me have the exclusive world wide promotion rights? I think
this would be a PPV best seller <VBG>
--
Brian Luttman
Arlington, Texas
1999 WR400F - http://vip.hpnc.com/~bluttman/bigblue
YZWR400 List - http://yzwr400.listbot.com
SCW <klx...@gte.net> wrote in message
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SCW
Gimme 50% and I'm there!
--
"SpodeKill"
Scott Wilson
95 KLX-365
99 KLX-300 (Cam)
96 KX-100 (Corey)
www.dirtrider.net/zerogravity
www.dirtrider.net/planetklx
- Don't complain about the things you tolerate.
Brian Luttman <blut...@NOSPAMhpnc.com> wrote in message
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DirtCrashr
>asses into "Gangster rap"
You mean you don't?
>Give me a godamn break!. I think all the little
>bitches who drive lowriders and talk about rap songs and BS like that are way
>off set then I am, Crusty videos don't make me do anything to change a
>lifestyle that I already embraced.
And what lifestyle have you embraced? So if you do it already anynhow, how are
you any different?
>Deegan saying funny shit also does not make
>me wanna go and rape and pillage. If you take him seriously then you are a
>blatant retard. Nuf said. Before you mark us as the misguided youth, take a
>look at all the other fucked up retarded teenagers that are around, walking
>around looking up to Muff Daddy or whoever, walking into a night club eith a
>gun and the other rap assholes that shoot up people cause they wanna look bad
>and big.
I don't get it, where is the distinction you're trying to draw?
Are you saying that you aren't like Degan and Puff-Whoever and all the other
wannabe baby gangsta crowds driving around in lowered Accords? Are you saying
there's a difference because I don't see any.
To me they're the same, Deegan=Puffy-Fattboy, heck they look the same have the
same snotty attitude and act the same and the music sounds the same...
I CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE
Your abilty to distinguish between them is a very fine line dawn by an insider
to that expression of popular culture. So fine a line only insiders can tell
it. So fine a line it only matters to insiders.
How a great portion of the country sees it, Deegan-wannabees are the same as
Hells Angels - just motorcycle gangsters and thugs and people who buy cheap
wine and have indiscriminate sex like a dawg to the rest of the country.
>DAMN that pisses me off, I mean direct your anger at some real
>problems not shit like your trails will be closed due to Deegan joking
>around,
What *real* problem? Like copy-protection on downloading your favorite MP3's?
Like having bad skin or a tattoo that's mis-spelled?
How do you think we feel when the GOVERNMENT is trying to close down ALL access
the trails in our National Forests?
You think, like will Deegan will help? You think he ever voted? If he has a
shop but never worked, as in the intervioew he brags, if he hasn't even ever
worked for a living he can't know the value of that simple act of civil
cohesion. He's against it.
>trust me the rest of the world sees thru this, unlike you
>folks.------------------mikey Boy
And what rest of the world are you talking about? The "rest of the world"
under the age of 14 who buy 90% of the music in this country and force the rest
of the people to listen to Garth Brooks and Shanaia Twain on the damn radio
because it "SELLS"? Or maybe the "rest of the world" under the age of 18 who
never had driver's training in High School and have raised everyone elses'
actuarial tables?
Or maybe the "rest of the world" over 60 - the 2% of whom DO control all the
money, and all the race treams, and the politiciands, who WILL work to close
the trails if they think some spike-headed geek is going to be out riding where
their daughters' like to go hiking.
Or maybe the "rest of the world" over 40, 85% of whom don't have a clue about
"Them dangerous Hells Angels motorsickles" and see no freaking difference
between Puff-Yo-Momma and Deegan.
Those 85% who vote for the other 2% to go ahead and close the trails, AND the
tracks, AND your backyard, AND want to ban two-strokes AND only allow electric
bikes...because they SELL electricity.
Help me understand how Deegan helps us?
DirtCrashr - '97ktm300mx/c
mark crotts
crap bigger than Deegan!
motocrotts
Mike W.
Actually, the only data we really have is that Emig got caught (good)
and Deegan has not, as of this post.
Mike W.
Mike W.
JETPILOT12 wrote:
>
> What does this mean?I am a watercraft racer and work hard at keeping my shit
> open to ride in, i mean you guys think you have problems?? ya aint seen shit
> about closures till ya been a freestyle watercraft racer/rider, Its
> disgusting. Please explain. ------------------Mike B
I'd say the number of petitions I've signed to ban jet skis from
specific sailing areas is about 4. I'll say I also enjoy jet skiing,
though I don't own one yet. The problem isn't specifically jetskis but
the average *moron* on the back. The VAST majority of individuals I've
personally observed who operate these things do so in ignorant, rude,
thoughtless ways and do it in places where they have no business. It's
obvious it could be done intelligently, but 9 of every 10 shitheads who
mount up around here just have become the center of attention in the
harbor and insert their worthless presence into everyone else's lives.
It's amazing, but the majority of that 9 out of 10 seems to be big-mouth
cookie-cutter-rebel kids who make everyone wonder what it is about those
little unaccomplished zeroes that gives them so much undeserved
confidence... We have a great way of dealing with the troublemakers
where I sail and it works 100% of the time. It would be easy for
everyone to get along in this regard but most jet ski guys just don't
even consider bringing the same high standards to the water that most
sailors do. There IS something to be said for the impact tradition has
on people's standards. Everyone COULD happily share the same ocean but
that strictly enforced moron requirement for the people who ride these
neat little vehicles. Too bad... I'd like to have a place to ride when I
eventually get one.
Mike W.
96 XR400
BRC, AMA, NETRA
Mike W.
Excellent points... Irrefutable logic... Big-picture thinking... But
sadly, wasted on just another rebel punk idiot incapable of
understanding most of it. So how's the new KTM? Ride this weekend? I
*did* have the wrong spark plug wrench Friday. Was able to borrow one
from another guy with an XR and it slid right into place.
Mike W.
96 XR400
AMA, BRC, NETRA
david and lori
channel it works real good. The problem is that when some clue less dork
see's that crap they think that's what dirt bike's are all about. So do
the best that you can to make people understand that's not what
motorcycles and most of us that ride them are all about.
David T
2000 WR400
T.r. 3:16
think hes a goof, It takes balls to do what he does, even more with the
stupid crap he puts on to do it.
I agree with the post that said there should be more kids like pestrana,
luckily i was one of them.
Trevor r.
91 KX 125 - for sale
00 CR 250 - Im now officialy in debt for the first time in my life. But god
dam im having a good time.
Uwe Hale
> You can slam Deegan all you want but when you start slamming Beavis &
> Butthead, you're treading on thin ice! Next thing you know, you'll be
> slamming Cartman! Got Dammit!
B&B is cool. I just don't try to imitate them. Huh Huh, Huh Huh, you
buttmunch.<g>
Uwe Hale
> I can't say why, but I really don't care for freestyle competitions
> (even though :these guys are good!). I turned it on one night watched
> one guy jump, then went on to something more interesting. Now I would
> never turn off a MX race, a Trials exhibition, or anything else dirt
> bike related.
>
Maybe because it's a judged event instead of a race? I'd rather watch
speed skating than figure skating. Same principle?
Uwe Hale
wrote:
> The problem isn't specifically jetskis but
> the average *moron* on the back.
Exactly. I sold my skis after the sit down couches became popular.
With the stand up skis, you had to have some skill to ride and you
definately couldn't ride it wasted. That pretty much eliminated the
average moron part of society.
Now the lakes are crowded with drunk idiots blasting up and down the
shore line on 60mph skis. Got too dangerous for me.
David Jones
Grass) wrote:
>
>--
>Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
>Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed pretty
>straight though.
>
>Are we just getting old?
Yes, and if the "younger" generation didn't piss us off now and then,
things just wouldn't be right now would they?
>Wes
Another Old Hippy
Jason
but I'll try to answer to all the posts I remember reading.
I like Deegan because he entertains me. I like the tricks
he can pull, which are probably some of the sickest tricks
out there! It doesn't bother me when he talks shit, he just
doesn't care what other people think, which I totally
understand. Some of the other guys out there just say what
the sponsors might want to hear, not what they actually
think. Sometimes I just like telling people what I feel,
kinda like I am right now. I don't think he'd ever want to
damage the freeriding industry, if he did, he'd be out of a
job, and all you guys would be happy. I would be very sad
:(. If it really gets out of hands, he'd probly just get
kicked out of the freestyle events, which would also make
you happy. I hope he stays 'cause he's a great competitor!
To that guy who included parts of an interview with Deegan
and it talked about how he is a porn star, if anyone read
the entire interview and if he included the entire
interview, I'm pretty sure it says that Ronnie Faisst is
the porn star he mentions. That's why the question was "so
you're living with a porn star?" (or somethin' like that).
I think that was pretty stupid for Deegan to fake his
grades or whatever, but I'm sure lots of other people (even
some of you) have copied someone's paper, I know I have.
It's good to see someone who can openly admit to it.
That thing about kids getting hurt and shutting down an MX
track because of it is true. A track could be shut down
because of a kid getting hurt freeriding, it could also be
shut down because a little kid crashing on an 80 in a race
and getting ran over. That's why tracks have insurance to
cover these things, or I hope yours does. You can't blame
Deegan for this, he's one of many freeriders. Actually
someone mentioned how Magoo (don't even know who he is)
started the freeriding thing, so blame him if you're gonna
blame anybody. That was pretty lame because I love
freeriding, and would have never started riding had it
never been invented.
The dude who mentioned kids who get places shut down
because they talk shit is also true. Places will get shut
down if kids act stupid, it really sucks that everyone has
to pay for it because of the act of an idiot, but it's
life. I might be wrong here, but I bet Deegan wouldn't talk
shit to a cop unless he wanted to get arrested. If anyone's
ever seen SMP Disturbing The Peace, you would notice some
freeriders getting busted for riding on private land. The
conversation is real I believe. Linkogle is with them and
so are some other riders and they act very responsible and
talk to the cops like any intelligent person would.
All you guys who say Deegan is a pussy and can't back up
what he says, maybe you should take a glimps at the
beginning of Crusty 2000 (like another guy mentioned), and
watch him fighting some dude and kicking his ass. It looks
like a boxing match to me so it's not some street fight.
Frankly I agree with what most of you have to say. Lots of
you had very convincing arguments, but like most of you, it
will not be easy to change my mind about Deegan. I'm
getting kinda tired of scrolling through all the pages to
get to the new messages, so it'd be easier if you have an
intelligent argument about Deegan, the Mulisha, or
freeriding, just e-mail me. It's been a lot of fun arguing
with you guys :)
- Jason
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Wesley Grass wrote:
> I *knew* you looked familiar.
>
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sailor570/pwchelp.htm
>
> Wes
Man... it's not THAT good:)
Mike W.
Gary M
Well, since it's about fantasy, an AIM fits right in.
Dust Devil
Wesley Grass
|>
|> JETPILOT12 wrote:
|> >
|> > What does this mean?I am a watercraft racer and work hard at keeping my shit
|> > open to ride in, i mean you guys think you have problems?? ya aint seen shit
|> > about closures till ya been a freestyle watercraft racer/rider, Its
|> > disgusting. Please explain. ------------------Mike B
|>
|> I'd say the number of petitions I've signed to ban jet skis from
|> specific sailing areas is about 4. I'll say I also enjoy jet skiing,
|> the average *moron* on the back.
|>
|> where I sail and it works 100% of the time.
|>
--
Leav Home
Ya, it's that damn school institution trying to put corrupt ideas into my head,
all I want to do is ride, get stoned, and fake my grades. <g>
>He is more a Nihilist.
I learn something new everyday here.
Not to be a pessimist towards my great generation, but I can't imagine how
things are going to work in the furture. A generation like mine has never been
in control of anything, for example, a country. Lots of kids that I know sadly
fall into the stereotypes everyone on this newsgroup is talking about. I am
betting that compared to generations to come, my generation won't even compare.
It's going to get worse as time goes on, technology has something to do with
it. What about America? It's a fast moving country if you ask me, how much
longer can it go before things start to rattle apart. We'll just have to wait
an see.
Personally, I love riding motocross. I plan to ride until I can't ride
anymore. I prefer to watch outdoor nationals over freestyle jumping anyday of
the week. Deegan's a stupid asshole, and I hope he gets out of the limelight
ASAP. Hope everything works out.
-Franky
Wesley Grass
--
Yeah, I suppose. I'm starting to hate loud music, and rough riding cars
just like my Dad.
Wes
old straight dude
MXOldtimer
In the future things will work out just fine for your generation . I grew up in
the 60's lol now since we made it thru that mess ! tune in , turn on , drop
out, flower power, free love(that part was ok) . And not one person here can
say they were an angel when young, if you weren't drunk in the 50's you were
high in the 60's. As far as MX goes you know there was a bunch of old guys on
BSA's , Matchless HD's bitchin about those crazy punks with long hair on those
smokey ring ding 2 chokes . And one of those crazy kids was Roger Decoster
doing a stupid cross up
JETPILOT12
>With the stand up skis, you had to have some skill to ride and you
>definately couldn't ride it wasted. That pretty much eliminated the
>average moron part of society.
>
>Now the lakes are crowded with drunk idiots blasting up and down the
>shore line on 60mph skis. Got too dangerous for me.
>
>
Actually I race stand up my friend. I wouldnt set foot in a lake either, just
surf for me. I also jump my blaster, jsut like my bike considering. Can do
all the shit on the blaster off a wave that the pros can do on bikes. Stand up
racing if comparable to moto my man and I HATE the gay ass fucking fat old men
and gay ass familys on THREE SEAT COUCHES. They are ruing my sport. with
there gay ass family fun days and big stable runabouts. Do not compaaare them
to me , I am an expert and safer on any waterway then them.---------------Mike
B
JETPILOT12
Mike W.
Uwe Hale wrote:
>
>
> Maybe because it's a judged event instead of a race? I'd rather watch
> speed skating than figure skating. Same principle?
>
Hmmm... What about nude lesbian pairs figure skating?
Mike W.
Dave Dude
<Xjim....@Xmciworld.com> wrote:
>Sorry you have to live with the reality.
I'm not sure I'm following you here, maybe my reality is different
from yours. As fars as boarding goes, I haven't found any restrictions
here.
> It didn't take alot of dope smoking
>smart ass kids running over old ladies at the grocery store sidewalk, to
>blow Skating's PR into the gutter and get laws passed against it. Let me
>count the 'innocent' *I'm not the one being the jerk --- it's the other guy*
>acitivities that have the general public totally pissed off:
Hey I didn't say I wasn't a jerk, but I am "innocent". (yeah right<G>)
>
>1. Jet Ski's PWC. (we *need* national press showing an a-hole telling
>boaters where they can stick it, and he is into 'hate', the bans are already
>in the works).
>2. Skateboarding. (already cooked their own goose)
>3. Snowboarding (gotten alot better, they shared the snow and started acting
>like skiers after getting the plug pulled in several resorts)
>4. Dirt bikes, MX - Just ride one down the street and you will find out how
>people react to that sound. It ain't good.
>5. Hunting. Yep, one night poacher video, stays forever in the minds of the
>GP.
>
>Reality.
>
>Remember, people are just *looking* for a reason to shut us down. I'm afraid
>with this freestyle crap we are giving it to them on a platter.
>
>Jim
Jim dude its in my power to "knight" you as the first knight of the
positive pr campain of the "reality". Now go out and get to work
salvaging the reputations of all the above mentioned sports.
Dave Dude
96yz250
Uwe Hale
wrote:
> Hmmm... What about nude lesbian pairs figure skating?
>
Where do I buys season tickets?
Pete Plassmann
cut rules to keep out the prejudices of the judges. I have talked to other
folks who's kids were in things like diving, and they have the same
problem. Trials is an exception. It's a "judged" event, but there are
clear cut rules about how to score.
Pete P.
Uwe Hale wrote:
> >
>
> Maybe because it's a judged event instead of a race? I'd rather watch
> speed skating than figure skating. Same principle?
>
Pete Plassmann
Oh, wait, that was on "Slap Stick".
Pete P>
Uwe Hale wrote:
> In article <3872D353...@deletethstoemailme.crocker.com>, Mike W.
> wrote:
> > Hmmm... What about nude lesbian pairs figure skating?
> >
>
> Where do I buys season tickets?
>
Pete Plassmann
At least around here, anyway. Zero tolerance, man........
I heard a radio program where some shrink was saying that if we even have _thoughts_ like this, we have a problem! He was
talking about "road rage" and "agressive drivers". Of course, I was stuck in DC traffic at the time, just imagining I had a
turret on the roof of my truck with a GAU-8 rotary cannon and a 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Of course, it would be slaved
to the headset/site I was wearing and connected by infared links, just like the gunners in an AH64.......
Sidewinders on a boat are a great idea, though!
Pete P.
95l...@my-deja.com
Are you sure, or has he not been caught while in the public eye. It
almost seems to me that anyone who can spout forth the hate metal
garbage has burned most if not all his brains on something. What makes
him your favorite rider? Is it his dedication to the sport through
hard training and clean living or his rebellious I don't give a shit
about anyone or anything atittude?
<snip> But I bet all you guys still respect Emig.
Somewhat, he screwed up and owned up to it. My friends and I were
talking about how we figured Emig was smoking something based on his
performances well before he was busted. I don't believe you can win a
championship partying instead of training. Emig has however made a
pretty decent comeback.
I'll watch freestyle moto-x every time it comes on, I feel that it is a
legitimate sport and good for motorcycling. I still don't see how
Deegan with his attitude are good for anything and I see plenty of
reason to make fun of him. I can see him making it to ESPN-2 because
of his extremism, but I doubt he would be picked by the powers that be
to pitch Freestyle MX and his message on national TV, say ABC wide
world of sports etc.
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>Frank
>In the future things will work out just fine for your generation . I grew up
>in
>the 60's lol
Best post in this entire thread (solid counsel as well). Although it has been
EXTREMELY entertaining, I'm as sick of the thread as I am Deegans and
jetpilot12's BS comments.
Chris Roady
'99 Gas Gas XC250
'94 RMX 250
XR 100 - Wife
XR 100 - Daughter
PW 80 - Son
It's better to burn out than it is to rust.
Jay C
news:20000104214218...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
>
> Not to be a pessimist towards my great generation, but I can't imagine how
> things are going to work in the furture. A generation like mine has never
been
> in control of anything, for example, a country. Lots of kids that I know
sadly
> fall into the stereotypes everyone on this newsgroup is talking about. I
am
> betting that compared to generations to come, my generation won't even
compare.
Don't bet on it Franky. 20 years ago, my generation wasn't in charge of
anything either. Look at some films of the hippie youth during the Vietnam
era. Those are the folks that are not only in charge now, but also totally
changed the world as we know it though innovating technology. If you think
that things now are any different from the generation previous, or two or
three, they are not. Regardless of what WDEM continues to show you on the
idiot box, things are NOT more violent and crime-ridden then they were 30
years ago. Kids aren't dumber or less motivated then before either.
Jay
Old and crotchety these days
Mike W.
Pete Plassmann wrote:
>
> Do you realize, if a kid came up with this in school they'd expell him/her?
> At least around here, anyway. Zero tolerance, man........
For real?! This can NOT be true... no?
>
> I heard a radio program where some shrink was saying that if we even have _thoughts_ like this, we have a problem! He was
> talking about "road rage" and "agressive drivers".
Ignore anything some dipshit shrink says about these trendy
psuedo-maladies... they're only trying to expand their addressable
market. Probably grew up in some do-gooder-riddled college town and
wasn't allowed to watch Combat or Gunsmoke as a kid and now we wants to
get even with everyone for his own less-than-nothing existence and
3-sigma diminutive penis (don't those two things really go hand in hand
too?). And just while I'm on it, the next do-gooder idiot who tries to
save the universe by walking up to my driver window while I'm at a stop
light to insist I put my cel phone down will find my Expedition parked
on his goddam chest. Well... not really, but MAN do I wish I did that...
Just because HE can't walk and chew gum at the same time...
Mike
Todd Purifoy
skateboard is extreme, then why the hell isn't bull riding inlcuded in the
X-Games? Now theres something for the adreniline. And those boyz ride with
broken bones three nights a week! I get so tired of hearing the announcers
say something about, "He broke his thumb last month...it is amazing to see
him out here today!"
How bout, "He broke his thumb, ankle, and three ribs LAST NIGHT...it is
amazing to see him out there."
Actually, most of the X-games seem pretty fun to watch...but I still say
Rodeo is the original EXTREME sport.
I watched Deegan this week...I think what he does is cool. (minus the
ditching the bike BS they do...that is weak) I bet a BUNCH of MX racers can
do shit like that...but I bet not many of the FMX guys could compete with
the MX guys. So even though I think it is cool to watch, it ain't that big
of a deal. But I saw his little interview and his little BS act. I found
great humor in his attitude. Is he serious? I have been more convinced by
Hulk Hogan taking over the world than this dude...
David Jones <djo...@cyberhighway.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:38740a6d...@news.cyberhighway.net...
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 03:32:52 GMT, wes...@otis.arraycomm.com (Wesley
> Grass) wrote:
>
>
> >
> >--
> >Yeah, what's up with that? All the "x-games" sports seem that way.
> >Skate-boarders, BMX'rs, skysurfers ......... the rock climbers seemed
pretty
> >straight though.
> >
> >Are we just getting old?
>
> Yes, and if the "younger" generation didn't piss us off now and then,
> things just wouldn't be right now would they?
>
> >Wes
>
> Another Old Hippy
Leav Home
>> At least around here, anyway. Zero tolerance, man........
>
>For real?! This can NOT be true... no?
In a highschool near me, two kids were suspended for 10 days for talking about
how guns work.
-Franky
Chris
is good because that might have interfered with all the wild assumptions about him
and the self-congratulatory musings about the failures of today's youth, which
were too much fun.
Freestyle is great because it's attracting more/new enthusiasm, money, and fans to
the sport, and these are resources that help combat closures and unreasonable
regulations. Whether you like or hate Deegan's act, he's an incredible rider and
performer who is a big part of the success of freestyle, and I respect and
appreciate that.
I'm also envious that he rides for a living, and I don't.
I really want to never work, just ride and get paid lots of money for it. How to
do it? I guess I'd have to work out and practice a lot, I'd have to develop new
and innovative routines, acquire and maintain the high-performance machines I need
to perform my new and innovative routines, coordinate sponsorship, work the
industry system, the press, and all the bitter oldschoolers, market myself to
differentiate me from my competitors, and invest and save for the future. All I
have to do is do all of that better than millions of others, then I too can say I
don't work.
Chris
99WR400
Wesley Grass
|> i know you wes?
--
Or maybe my sister?
Wes
Wesley Grass
|>
|> Uwe Hale wrote:
|> >
|> >
|> > Maybe because it's a judged event instead of a race? I'd rather watch
|> > speed skating than figure skating. Same principle?
|> >
|>
|>
|>
|>
--
What, are you nuts? Lesbian pairs? I say regular pairs. You know how to
skate, right? You and Dana ................. holding her overhead .......
with a perfect bowling ball grip.
Wes
Mike W.
That *can't* all they were doing... you guys are the Live Free or Die
guys, no??? Can you point me to some more info on this? I think I'm
zeroing in on the direction my charitable contributions are heading for
2000. I am now PISSED OFF... somebody get me a few of those rebel fmx
pussies quick!!
Mike W
Uwe Hale
news:38738A78...@hotmail.com...
> I haven't read a post in this thread from anyone who actually knows Deegan,
which
> is good because that might have interfered with all the wild assumptions
about him
> and the self-congratulatory musings about the failures of today's youth,
which
> were too much fun.
>
You don't have to know a person to see how they act. And it's pretty simple
to figure out what effect those actions can have on everyone if the actions
are broadcast nationally.
But most of that generation lacks the common sense to see that, so I wouldn't
expect you to agree.
Uwe Hale - 99 GasGas EC200, 89 YZ250WR
Pete Plassmann
aspirin to class, a sixth grader suspended for having a plastic knife in her
lunchbox, 2 sixth graders are being brought up under FELONY charges for trying to
put soap in their teacher's drink, and another student expelled for taking a
penknife away from another pupil and turning it in! It's pure madness.
My local school board has instituted a policy such that, if my honor roll daughter
has 4 unexcused absences during a quarter, she fails all of her classes, regardless
of her grades or standing. This forces me to lie to take her snowboarding. If you
ask why I do this, you've never seen the price difference between weekend and
weekday ski passes around here, not to mention the crowds. Of course, hunting is
considered an "excused abscense".
I remember my dad taking the entire family out of school for a week to go camping.
No wonder families can't stay together. The system is rigged!
Pete P>
Joseph Siegfried
outbreaks of whit has made himself look like a fool in addition to
pissing everyone thats sober off.There is something wrong with the guy
Joseph Siegfried
everything you try to imply as his attributes
IRKurt
<mwil...@deletethstoemailme.crocker.com> writes:
>Leav Home wrote:
>> In a highschool near me, two kids were suspended for 10 days for talking
>about
>> how guns work.
>>
>> -Franky
That's pathetic, Franky. Ah well, commit a "thought crime," pay the
consequences.
"Zero tolerance" is about the same as zero common sense.
Kurt
'99 KX250
David Levy
head hurt.
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