AIR: SANGER kits - Comments?
Robert Beach
Anyone seen, built or otherwise laid hands on any of Sanger's 1:48 kits?
Aviation USK carries the line, but no description of what you get for
your money... Any comments appreciated!
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Respectfully Yours in Glue,
Robert Beach
Norfolk, VA USA
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Ken Duffey
I have purchased (but not yet built) the Sanger 1:72 scale Il-78 & An-12
and they are both crude vacforms that can form the basis of a reasonable
model - but with a lot of work !!
Sanger is a guy called Gerald Elliott and was formerly known as Bristol
Models. I made one of BM's vacforms some years back - a crude Tu-128
Fiddler.
When Gordon Sutcliffe of Contrail retired, he sold all his moulds to
Elliott, who reformed as Sanger - so all the 1:48th scale vacform are
Contrail originals.
I read a review of the Contrail 1:48 scale Hampden (I think ?) some
years back in Scale Aircraft Modelling and it wasn't very complimentary
to put it mildly.
So the bottom line is - Caveat Emptor !!
Ken Duffey
Peter G. Nebelung
>Anyone seen, built or otherwise laid hands on any of Sanger's 1:48 kits?
>Aviation USK carries the line, but no description of what you get for
>your money... Any comments appreciated!
I ordered the Mitsubishi Nell from Sanger, and its pretty crude. The
fuselage is blown from (I think) .060 Stock. Wings and other parts are
from 0.030. Comes with white metal struts, wheels, engines, props,
control column, and really clunky heavy seats. The single blown canopy
you get was very crude and basicly unusable on the sample I got. I
will have to make up a new one and pull it my self. The decals are
very thick, and covered with some sort of varnish. The instructions
consist of 1 page, with some scratch drawings.
As far as accuracy goes, the fuselage and tail look to be ok, but have
no panel lines shown or cutout positions for the various bubbles and
cockpit. The wing, which has a definate change in cross section
outboard of the engines on the real aircraft, is all one piece
continuous. The seperate flaps and ailerons are molded into the wing.
Given some time and work it will make a good model IF you realy want
to do this one. Don't know what you would pay for it here the US, but
mine came to about $80 canadian.
Given that sanger does stuff in 1/48 that wont show up any where
else, I figure it's a good basis for what you want, but figure on
spending a lot of time and effort to bring it to show quality.
Rgds
Peter Nebelung
DONALD JUNIS
Sanger models is a spin-off of several different firms. The 1/48 scale
stuff is rough. If you decide to try one make sure you have a decent set
of drawings, because their instruction sheet is poor. The accuracy is
also in question. Again a good set of drawings is required. For
reference see Scale Aircraft Modelling articles on the Hampden & Halifax
III. I have several of the Contrail models and plan on buying the
Halifax I. If you're looking for a Blenheim IV or a Beaufort wait for
the Dynavector models.
But, don't think this is a Falcon or Koster quality vac-form. To
complete these models you will have to scratchbuild.
All the Best
Don
bn...@hotmail.com
In article <34C5B4...@ncs.nerc.ac.ukx>,
Ken Duffey <K.Du...@ncs.nerc.ac.ukx> wrote:
>
> Robert Beach wrote:
> >
> > Anyone seen, built or otherwise laid hands on any of Sanger's 1:48 kits?
> > Aviation USK carries the line, but no description of what you get for
> > your money... Any comments appreciated!
> >
> > Respectfully Yours in Glue,
> > Robert Beach
> > Norfolk, VA USA
> > *************************
>
> I have purchased (but not yet built) the Sanger 1:72 scale Il-78 & An-12
> and they are both crude vacforms that can form the basis of a reasonable
> model - but with a lot of work !!
>
> Sanger is a guy called Gerald Elliott and was formerly known as Bristol
> Models. I made one of BM's vacforms some years back - a crude Tu-128
> Fiddler.
>
> When Gordon Sutcliffe of Contrail retired, he sold all his moulds to
> Elliott, who reformed as Sanger - so all the 1:48th scale vacform are
> Contrail originals.
>
> I read a review of the Contrail 1:48 scale Hampden (I think ?) some
> years back in Scale Aircraft Modelling and it wasn't very complimentary
> to put it mildly.
>
> So the bottom line is - Caveat Emptor !!
>
> Ken Duffey
The Hampden is a fairly decent kit as vacuforms go. Panel lines are
scribed and the fit is better than most. You will have to do some scratch
building in the cockpit. It makes for a decent looking aircraft when
finished. Dont let a review discourage you. BC
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In Article<34C5B4...@ncs.nerc.ac.ukx>, <K.Du...@ncs.nerc.ac.ukx>
writes:
> Robert Beach wrote:
> >
> > Anyone seen, built or otherwise laid hands on any of Sanger's 1:48
> > kits? Aviation USK carries the line, but no description of what you
> > get for your money... Any comments appreciated!
>
> I have purchased (but not yet built) the Sanger 1:72 scale Il-78 &
> An-12 and they are both crude vacforms that can form the basis of a
> reasonable model - but with a lot of work !!
>
> Sanger is a guy called Gerald Elliott and was formerly known as
> Bristol Models. I made one of BM's vacforms some years back - a crude
> Tu-128 Fiddler.
And before that he operated as "Gerald Elliott". Have his Yak-36 (cum
-38, now) and another Russian a/c (Firebar?). These were crude forms
pulled over male molds and well behind even the '80's standards.
> When Gordon Sutcliffe of Contrail retired, he sold all his moulds to
> Elliott, who reformed as Sanger - so all the 1:48th scale vacform are
> Contrail originals.
>
> I read a review of the Contrail 1:48 scale Hampden (I think ?) some
> years back in SAM and it wasn't very complimentary to put it mildly.
These are still better than Elliott originals, though still low '80's
and not '90's standards.
> So the bottom line is - Caveat Emptor !!
>
> Ken Duffey
If you have to have the a/c, you might be better off with the
ex-Contrail kit, than a straight scratchbuild, but then again maybe not.
John
Albatrosdv
Having done the Contrail Halifax B.MkII,"Y's Old Owl," and spent off and on
over 4 years to finish it (I would get to the point I was ready to throw it
against the wall, realize how much time was already invested, put it aside to
let myself cool down - a process that once took a year) I would say that you
have to really, really, really want to do RAF heavies to do these kits. It
looks okay finished, but would I ever do it again? Noooooo........
Tom Cleaver
Albat...@aol.com
Robert Beach
Given that the Sanger Kit route looks closed, where might a fellow find
some decent plans of the various (and interesting) RAF types?
PS: Thanks for all the responses...
DONALD JUNIS
I just blew up some 1/72 Grainger drawings on the Halifax I/II and the
Lanc to 1/48. These are very good and accurate. The bad part is I had to
cut apart an old Squadron publicaton to get the the full sheet of the
fuselage. I'm not sure if there available commercially. I've ask the
same question of several of museums and archives. I got several
responses but, only the RAF museum has the drawings and there only
avaiable via snail mail. I'm waiting for them to e-mail the exact
procedure. The Canadian aviation museum has an archive of manuals. I'm
not sure if they have any drawings.
All the Best
Don