Yak-3 -- Sof or Hard Edge Camo
Scherer
been outstanding...I've only had to use about a toothpick's worth of putty
on the entire kit...if you've never tried an Eduard kit before, you have to
consider this one (it's my first...I've recently gotten back into the hobby
after a 20+ yr break ... what a change from the Monogram and Revell
standards of the late 70's where the putty weighed more than the plastic!!).
Anyway, I'm down to the camouflage and am not sure if the edges are sharp or
hard....any insight from the experts would be appreciated!
Thanks!!!!
P
Pat Flannery
Scherer wrote:
>
> Anyway, I'm down to the camouflage and am not sure if the edges are sharp or
> hard....any insight from the experts would be appreciated!
>
I dug out my Squadron-Signal "Yak Fighter In Action", and the WW II
photos in that makes it appear that the camouflage was airbrushed on the
aircraft, so it's soft-edged.
It looks like the fade-out between the colors is fairly tight (it goes
from one to another inside of a inch or two), and the darker color is
applied over the lighter shade.
One interesting point is the camouflage on the area around the engine
cowling.
It looks like in most cases the lower section of the cowling was
detached from the aircraft and painted with the belly color, then
reattached, so there's a sharp demarcation between the upper and lower
colors at that point.
In other cases it looks like both the nose and fuselage upper colors
wrap clean around the aircraft leaving just the underside of the wings
and area of fuselage between them and the bottoms of the horizontal
stabilizers in the lighter belly color.
In others, either the nose or rear fuselage are done this way.
This photo of two new ones in flight looks very accurate as to what the
camouflage was like, although in a lot of cases the bottom color didn't
come up the sides of the rear fuselage to join the undersides of the
horizontal stabilizers: http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/yak-3m.jpg
Note the sharp demarcation on the underside of the cowling I mentioned
on the one in the foreground.
Pat
Scherer
"Pat Flannery" <fla...@daktel.com> wrote in message
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That helps quite a bit -- thanks! I'm looking at the colors Eduard
recommends and I'm confused...I don't have access to Gunze, so I'm using the
Tamiya equivalent...they are XF-66 (Dark Seagray) and XF 54 Gray. Looking
at the link you provided, there's no resemblance...I'm modelling Maj VP
Baranov's plane from 4GIAD, Perleberg Airfield, East Prussia, 1947. To be
honest, the Tamiya colors look more like Luftwaffe scheme and are
significantly different than the ones in the link you provide. The Tamiya
colors don't closely match the one on the instructions sheet either (which
is a very nicely done color fold out showing colors and markings for 6
different aircraft). Was there that much difference in the color schemes?
Lastly, I forgot to ask what color should the landing gear/wheel wells be?
I really appreciate the help!!
Paul
Pat Flannery
Scherer wrote:
>
> That helps quite a bit -- thanks! I'm looking at the colors Eduard
> recommends and I'm confused...I don't have access to Gunze, so I'm using the
> Tamiya equivalent...they are XF-66 (Dark Seagray) and XF 54 Gray. Looking
> at the link you provided, there's no resemblance...I'm modelling Maj VP
> Baranov's plane from 4GIAD, Perleberg Airfield, East Prussia, 1947. To be
> honest, the Tamiya colors look more like Luftwaffe scheme and are
> significantly different than the ones in the link you provide. The Tamiya
> colors don't closely match the one on the instructions sheet either (which
> is a very nicely done color fold out showing colors and markings for 6
> different aircraft). Was there that much difference in the color schemes?
>
> Lastly, I forgot to ask what color should the landing gear/wheel wells be?
>
Here we go! Here's four reviews of building the Eduard Yak-3:
http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/ussr/spahryak3.htm
http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/ussr/laskodiyak3.htm
http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/ussr/rolandelliyak3.htm
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/allies/ussr/yak3.htm
Pat
Pip Moss
jsch...@rr.woh.com wrote on 12/5/07 11:35 PM:
Assuming you're looking for the late-war VVS camouflage scheme, they are
AMT-11 Gray-Blue and AMT-12 Dark Gray topsides; AMT-7 Blue under. (The AMT
numbers are the VVS's nomenclature).
According to Erik Pilawskii's "Soviet Air Force Fighter Colors 1941-1945,"
approximations for the three colors are
AMT-11: FS 26375 - 6300 Methuen 21C3 Munsell 7.5BG/7.5/1.0
AMT-12: FS 26187 - 6081 Methuen 25E4 Munsell 9.0G/3.25/2.3
AMT-7 FS 25550 Methuen 24A4(poor match); Munsell 8.54BG/8.83/5.47
FWIW, FS 36375 is American Light Ghost Gray, and German RLM 74 Gray Green is
a decent match for AMT-12. White Ensign does all these colors in their line
of enamels, matched to Pilawski's references.
As for the color of landing gear and wells, I'm not sure there's a
definitive answer. The under-surface blue is probably a good guess for the
wells. On the Yak-3 I built, I went with ALG-5 Metal Primer for the landing
gear. Again, White Ensign makes this color, but you can get reasonably close
by mixing British Sky with some German RLM 65. Pilawski gives
ALG-5 FS 34670 (poor match) Methuen 26A3 (poor match) Munsell
3.0G/8.0/5.0
HTH
Pip Moss
Pat Flannery
Pip Moss wrote:
>
> According to Erik Pilawskii's "Soviet Air Force Fighter Colors 1941-1945,"
> approximations for the three colors are
> AMT-11: FS 26375 - 6300 Methuen 21C3 Munsell 7.5BG/7.5/1.0
> AMT-12: FS 26187 - 6081 Methuen 25E4 Munsell 9.0G/3.25/2.3
> AMT-7 FS 25550 Methuen 24A4(poor match); Munsell 8.54BG/8.83/5.47
>
> FWIW, FS 36375 is American Light Ghost Gray, and German RLM 74 Gray Green is
> a decent match for AMT-12. White Ensign does all these colors in their line
> of enamels, matched to Pilawski's references.
>
> As for the color of landing gear and wells, I'm not sure there's a
> definitive answer. The under-surface blue is probably a good guess for the
> wells. On the Yak-3 I built, I went with ALG-5 Metal Primer for the landing
> gear. Again, White Ensign makes this color, but you can get reasonably close
> by mixing British Sky with some German RLM 65. Pilawski gives
>
> ALG-5 FS 34670 (poor match) Methuen 26A3 (poor match) Munsell
>
Though they note these aren't exact matches on your computer; there's
VVS paint chips here:
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/colour-samples.php
And camouflage style info during the war:
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/general-skinning-repainting/444-basic-principles-soviet-vvs-camouflage-markings.html
Pat
Scherer
"Scherer" <jsch...@rr.woh.com> wrote in message
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Thanks to all for the resources/information...with your help I've narrowed
it down to either XF 66 (Tamiya) or RLM 74 (Testors) for the darker shade.
I get my paints from the local hobby shops, so I have Tamiya, Testors, or
Model Master to choose from.
The research can be as much fun and interesting (to me at least) as the
actual building of the kit. I am amazed at the level of detail and
knowledge folks have on any issue that comes up...what a great community!!
Many thanks and Merry Christmas to all!!
P