F 105 D Decals
jrdie...@aol.com
Who has a good selection of Vietnam era decals for the Thud? I don't want
any guard units and the like, but active units from Takhli, etc.
Dave Williams
jrdie...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Who has a good selection of Vietnam era decals for the Thud? I don't want
> any guard units and the like, but active units from Takhli, etc.
If you are talking 1/48, try Superscale sheet 48-269. It has three
F-105Ds. One is a natural metal bird from the 23rd TFW in 1965, and
another is "The Polish Glider" from the 355th TFW at Takhli (this is the
same markings as in the Monogram kit). The last is a postwar AFRES
bird.
Dave
J. Heilig
FWIW, the "natural metal" birds were sprayed aluminum lacquer by the
time the D models came along. Makes building a tad easier...
J
Scott Van Aken
In article <56oe4f$n...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Todd Enlund wrote:
>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:29:02 GMT
>From: ten...@ix.netcom.com (Todd Enlund)
>Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
>Subject: Re: F 105 D Decals
>
>jrdie...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Who has a good selection of Vietnam era decals for the Thud? I don't want
>>any guard units and the like, but active units from Takhli, etc.
>
> While on the subject of D model Thuds, I'm looking for pics of a
>certain Thud featuring a young "lady" straddling the refueling
>receptacle... any sources?
Yep,
'Classy Chassy', by Ian Logan and Henry Nield, 1977. This is basically
a book on nose art of WWII and Korea. On the last page is a rather contrasty
shot of the nose art of an F-105 named 'Pussy Galore' taken by Robert Mikesh
from a tanker. My sources tell me that this art was on the F-105D preserved
at Norton AFB for about two days before there were too many complaints about
it and it was removed. How folks saw it is beyond me as the F-105 is such a
tall aircraft that the art would be difficult to see from ground level.
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Todd Enlund wrote:
>
> jrdie...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Who has a good selection of Vietnam era decals for the Thud? I don't want
> >any guard units and the like, but active units from Takhli, etc.
>
> While on the subject of D model Thuds, I'm looking for pics of a
> certain Thud featuring a young "lady" straddling the refueling
> receptacle... any sources?
>
> F-15 Weapons, LA Air Guard
>
> "Bandits at 3 O'clock"
> "Roger. What should I do 'till then?"
You can see photos of the restored 105 with the young lady inquestion in
Robert Dorr's book "Vietnam Mig Killers." Tail markings on the aircraft
in the photo is RU. Serial #61-069. A/C was flown by Capt. Larry D.
Wiggins and he killed a Mig in it on 6/3/67.
Book was published by Motorbooks, 1988, ISBN 0-87938-286-4
Scott
Todd Enlund
D. Anderson
In article <328F44...@gate.net>, Dave Williams <dw...@gate.net> says:
One is a natural metal bird from the 23rd TFW in 1965, and
>another is "The Polish Glider" from the 355th TFW at Takhli (this is the
>same markings as in the Monogram kit).
Not to quibble, but I'm pretty certain that the "natural metal" example
is really in silver lacquer ("corroguard?"). I believe that the USAF stopped
the bare metal thing in the very early '60s, painting aircraft silver in order
to save on airframe life. Anyway, colour pictures of "silver" F-105s from this
period look awfully even-toned and matt for true natural metal.
Dane
Dave Williams
Dave
Ralph R. Forehand
Dane,
Point of information; I was a Jet Aircraft Mechanic in the USAF from
1951-1955 and saw a lot of USAF aircraft and never saw one "painted
silver". All were left in "natural metal". The only exception being a
flight of Canberras(sp?) in overall Black with some red some markings.
Take Care,
Ralph
gan...@aol.com
In article <329018...@ssnet.com>, "Ralph R. Forehand"
<hpyr...@ssnet.com> writes:
Ralph,
Dane was talking about the '60s not '51 - '55. Just before the
introduction of the SEA scheme, many USAF machines were painted "silver."
I have plenty of photos in my collection of KC-135s and F-105s in this
scheme. I am not saying it was universal, I am just saying it was a fact.
Bob
Fruit Heights, Utah
"I just open my mouth and the whole world gets smart."
Martin Sagara
J. Heilig (jhe...@gate.net) wrote:
: FWIW, the "natural metal" birds were sprayed aluminum lacquer by the
: time the D models came along. Makes building a tad easier...
This F-105 color scheme & markings discussion raises another question.
What was the "official" color of the fuselage spine on silver Thuds? I
have seen photos in which it appears darker medium green to dark olive
drab to very faded olive drab.
Anyone have a clue as to the "official" color?
Martin Sagara "Never before have so many,
Research Associate understood so little,
Wings Over The Rockies Air and Space Museum about so much"
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Norman Filer
Martin, for what it's worth, our F-104s anti glare area was not olive
drab. It was medium green. At one time Pactra had a color called "anti
glare green". It was a perfect match. Since the Thud in question was
about the same vintage, I would say it was the same color.
oxmo...@aol.com
To Quote Bob:
>Dane was talking about the '60s not '51 - '55. Just before the
>introduction of the SEA scheme, many USAF machines were painted "silver."
>I have plenty of photos in my collection of KC-135s and F-105s in this
>scheme. I am not saying it was universal, I am just saying it was a
fact.
>Bob
>Fruit Heights, Utah
>"I just open my mouth and the whole world gets smart."
He is correct, the F-105s were painted "silver" aluminum during the early
'60s because of water leakage into the interior. This was about the time
grey/gray paint was being applied to ADC aircraft.
The F-105 finish reminded me of a metallic silver, not quite metalflake.
AF T.O. 1-1-4? dated about this time period called out the finish.
Of course that is not necessarily a gospel to quote because my 1967 volume
shows the infamous three color (colour, for you Simon) scheme for the
B-58, also a three color scheme for C-124s in SEA and Asia Minor yet! But
that is a topic to be covered in another thread.
Oxmoron1
cros...@aol.com
In article <19961119020...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
oxmo...@aol.com writes:
>B-58, also a three color scheme for C-124s in SEA and Asia Minor yet!
Set the drag, you snagged one! Shaky in warpaint? Got's to hear this.
Sarge
oxmo...@aol.com
To quote Sarge:
>>B-58, also a three color scheme for C-124s in SEA and Asia Minor yet!
>Set the drag, you snagged one! Shaky in warpaint? Got's to hear this.
>Sarge
Yes indeedy sir, it was an authorized design, don't think it was ever
applied.
Hell, we were slow enough in Ol Shakey, a couple of hundred pounds of
paint would have made it that much worse :-) [Hey Phil Brandt, do you
think paint on Ol Shakey would slow it down to stall speed?]
Also parts of C-124s were painted aluminum, not that it makes any
difference because no one will put out a buildable kit.
There were also paint schemes for F-86D,K &L..C-131/T-29..C-133 and many
funky others..few if any used..
Oxmoron1
Scott Van Aken
>
>>B-58, also a three color scheme for C-124s in SEA and Asia Minor yet!
>
>Set the drag, you snagged one! Shaky in warpaint? Got's to hear this.
>
>Sarge
It's true. Page D-21, figure D-17 of the TO dated 21 March 1978, change 19
10 Jan 85 has the C-124 in vietnam colors. The B-58 is figure D-7 and I have
figures for SEA camo for F-86D, C-54 and C-118 as well. I don't know if any
aircraft were ever painted in these schemes, but there is a reference for it
if it needed to happen.
Scott
Scott Van Aken
SNIP
>There were also paint schemes for F-86D,K &L..C-131/T-29..C-133 and many
>funky others..few if any used..
>
>Oxmoron1
The T-29 did make it into SEA colors. I have a photo to prove it:)
Norman Filer
I believe the ground rule for 1-1-4 was, and still may be, "If it is in
the current inventory, we need a paint scheme for it". I think the
C-131 or maybe more correctly the T-29 did show up in the Viet Nam type
scheme. C-121s sure did. Now Shakey, that's a different story. My
impression from riding around in them, was that no matter what you put
in it, it took off, cruised(??), and landed at one speed. That speed
was indeed about two notches above a flat out stall!!
But is sure hauled all our stuff around the world on a much more
dependable basis than anything else at the time. When we had spare
engines and stuff coming in, if the manafest said "C-124" it would be
slow but it would get there. I have very few fond memories of trash
haulers, most I avoided at all costs, but I did like Shaky.
Have faith, one day we will get one in plastic!! or resin.
Steve Eslinger
Can someone please provide some suggestions as to what paint (brand and
color) to use for British WWII desert sand. Also, any suggestions for
good reference material (paint and/or construction) on the Crusader III
would be greatly appreciated. TIA!
-Steve
Brian Cable
oxmo...@aol.com
If someone would do a C-124 in any reasonable scale I WOULD buy several
and DO one in Camo just for the heck of it :-)
But imagine the size if done in 1/72?
Rick
oxmo...@aol.com
Scott wrote:
>The T-29 did make it into SEA colors. I have a photo to prove it:)
>Scott
Scott, I said Few if any, I didn't say none :-)
I wonder how they were able to get it to fly anywhere besides OLS or OWW,
and was it able to descend if the was no Dyke Intersection.. Pardon me
guys these old Mather terms just lipped out..
Rick
pnm...@aol.com
> Can someone please provide some suggestions as to what paint (brand
> and color) to use for British WWII desert sand.
The color is called Midstone and was used with Dark Earth over Azure Blue
in the standard British desert disruptive camouflage scheme (the Midstone
replaced the Dark Green used in the early war European scheme).
A number of paint lines include Midstone out of the bottle. In enamels
there's Floquil, Xtracolor, and (I think) Testors Model Master (the new
line). In water-base, Polly Scale is very good.
Steve Eslinger
Thanks for the response. I have seen many paint lines that carry
Midstone, and was thinking that would be the appropriate color. What got
me off track was that I saw a couple of references to Light Stone, but
was unable to find such a color. I have heard many people rave about
Xtracolor (despite its gloss), so I think I may give that a shot. Thanks
again!
-Steve
jno...@aol.com
Watch out, everybody - here comes the famous "B-58's were/were not painted
in SEA schemes" debate...:-)))
JN
D. Anderson
This is why it is so important to qualify one's post with something
like "ARMOUR," "AIR," etc., to avoid confusion. As I understood
the original posting, the poster wanted to know what colour
British *Armour* was painted, not aircraft--unless there was some
little-known aircraft called the "Crusader III" (another Fairleigh effort,
perhaps?) being used in the desert.
Middlestone *is* the correct colour for British desert -based
aircraft, but is way, way, way too dark for British tank sand. My
references, skimpy as they admittedly are, indicate that British tank
sand was very pale, almost ivory, and I have heard this colour called
"light stone" and even "Portland" stone. Certainly it would be nice
if someone really in the know could post some solid information
on British AFV camoflauge in the desert, as I believe George
Bradford's old book on the subject may be a little out of date by now.
Hope this doesn't add to the confusion. If the orginal poster was
indeed inquiring about tank colours, stay away from Middlestone.
Regards,
Dane
Steve Eslinger
as a/c. I, too, have seen references to the correct color being Light
Stone. Unfortunately, I have seen no such color in the major paint
lines. Plenty of Midstones, but no Light Stone. Seems like someone,
particularly Humbrol or Xtracolor, would carry such a standard WWII
color. Oh well, the quest goes on. Thanks for the reply!
-Steve
amp...@aol.com
Humbrol F94 used to be called "8th Army Desert Sand" and is a pretty good
match. It also works for modern Iraqi armor.
Cookie Sewell
AMPS
pnm...@aol.com
> As I understood the original posting, the poster wanted to know what
> colour British *Armour* was painted, not aircraft--unless there was
> some little-known aircraft called the "Crusader III"
Oops! Sorry to have thrown sand in people's eyes! Actually I don't
remember seeing the reference to the Crusader. I am an aircraft modeler,
but not that dense. Probably just didn't look close enough. Pip Moss
steven tobey
Sign me up for two or three at least Rick. I was soooo desperate I had
the AirModel vac-u-form attempt of a 1/72 C-124 (ick, ack, puke!) many
years ago.
Steve
Mike Kendall
Hi,
I prefer Humbrol 121, called Matt Pale Stone. If the tank's been out in the
sun a bit, lighten it with white.
Another good match is Gunze Sangyo 313. Recently I've been trying the
new Model Master paints for armor, and I like their Sand, 2053, for WWII
Brit desert armor, which is a little lighter than the Pale Stone.
I think FS 33531 is about right for the Pale Stone color, for those of you
with fan cards or who need FS numbers.
Mike
C./A. Irving
Steve Eslinger wrote:
>
> D. Anderson wrote:
> >
> > In article <19961121043...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pnm...@aol.com says:
> > >
> > >> Can someone please provide some suggestions as to what paint (brand
> > >> and color) to use for British WWII desert sand. >
> > indeed inquiring about tank colours, stay away from Middlestone.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dane
> I thought it a little odd that armor would be painted in the same color
> as a/c. I, too, have seen references to the correct color being Light
> Stone. Unfortunately, I have seen no such color in the major paint
> lines. Plenty of Midstones, but no Light Stone. Seems like someone,
> particularly Humbrol or Xtracolor, would carry such a standard WWII
> color. Oh well, the quest goes on. Thanks for the reply!
> -Steve
My Humbrol chart lists #121 Matt Pale Stone, might this be it?
It is cross referenced to Authentic IAF3, Gunze Sango #313 and FS33531
FWIW
Regards
Andy
Rick Clark
steven tobey wrote:
> Sign me up for two or three at least Rick. I was soooo desperate I had
> the AirModel vac-u-form attempt of a 1/72 C-124 (ick, ack, puke!) many
> years ago.
Mine made nice insulation in the storage building for years, then I gave
up and trashed it, would not give it away and hurt someone else:-)
Rick
"ick, ack, puke" pretty good description!!!!
Paul Roberts
D. Anderson wrote:
>>Lots f stuff snipped<<
> Hope this doesn't add to the confusion. If the orginal poster was
> indeed inquiring about tank colours, stay away from Middlestone.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dane
Thank God. I thought I was the one slightly mad at the thought of
Middlestone on AFVs.
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D. Anderson
>My Humbrol chart lists #121 Matt Pale Stone, might this be it?
>It is cross referenced to Authentic IAF3, Gunze Sango #313 and FS33531
>FWIW
>Regards
>Andy
Humbrol #121 Matt Pale Stone is what *I'm* going to use on my Cru I,
when I get around to painting it. There's a Model Master Sand which
is also very pale and looked to be a good match for the illustrations
in the old Osprey book on British tanks in the Desert.
Humbrol 8th Army Desert Yellow is, I think, much too dark and yellow.
Once again, will someone who has done some original research on this
subject PLEASE help us out?
Regards,
Dane
oxmo...@aol.com
Nay, nay...a thousand times nay, however it is rumored, but
unsubstantiated, that Jennings has negatives of the F. Fruitbat on it's
first attempted flight as a BOAC transport in WWII camo finish. it is said
that he will issue a dcal set for this aircraft before the kit is
released.:-)
RC
Greg Elliot
Steve Eslinger <slin...@lex.infi.net> wrote:
The feature that makes Xtracolour so attractive (to me) IS its gloss,
therefore no gloss coat prior to trying to get those !@#$%$^ing decals
to sit down and not go silver - Xtracolour is good for that.