Blue Color match for F-16 Thunderbirds?
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the Thunderbird F16? Thank you.
Viper
Kurt Kunze
IPMS/USA Patriot
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Gene DiGennaro
regular FS paints. Gloss white, insignia red, and insignia blue.
Gene DiGennaro
Baltimore,Md.
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Viper
No they don't. They use FS numbers. As a matter of fact you will find both Blue
Angel blue and yellow on the Model Master paint rack.
Rufus
was in fact a hap-hazard color...my thought is that it didn't really
become "standardized" until the A-4 era and/or beyond.
If you look in the Monogram Color Guide, Vol 4; it has a few color chips
for varying shades of "Blue Angel blue" by show year, I think.
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- Rufus
Rick DeNatale
> Actually, someone from the factory once told me that "Blue Angel blue"
> was in fact a hap-hazard color...my thought is that it didn't really
> become "standardized" until the A-4 era and/or beyond.
>
> If you look in the Monogram Color Guide, Vol 4; it has a few color chips
> for varying shades of "Blue Angel blue" by show year, I think.
Ah, Blue Angels Blue! Perhaps second only to British Racing Green in
confusion. At least there was only one "Team" using Blue Angels Blue at
any given time. Good records were not kept by the team or the
manufacturers.
Here's a synopsis of what Elliot has to say in Vols 2 & 4 of his
Monogram color guide. He starts with the F9F-8 Panthers, he doesn't
seem to go back before that.
Based on Grumman drawings the Panther version of Blue Angels blue was a
2:1 mix of Insignia White and Insignia Blue. There is a note on the
drawing that the color was previouse 3 parts I.B. to 1 part I.W. The
yellow by the way was a 2:1 mix of Orange Yellow and Insignia White.
The F111F Tigers continued with the same mix of 2:1 insignia blue and
white. Elliot points out that there could be considerable variation in
the result. The yellow however was straight FS 13538 Orange Yellow.
With the change to the F-4J and from Grumman to McDonnell Douglas in
1969 the color switched to automotive colors. The blue was specified as
DeSoto Company number 823-L-722. The yellow was identified as DeSoto
number 826-L-001 which was specified as a match ot 13538 Orange Yellow.
The Skyhawk came in 1972. Drawings from the Naval Air Rework Facility
in Pensacola indicate that the blue at that time was Finch Paint and
Chemical Company Blue Gloss number 643-14-14. The Yellow was Finch
643-13-6.
Despite this specification, Elliot goes on to say that siz aluminum
plates which were painted a the time a Blue Angel aircraft was being
processed show variations in colors over the years. He gives the
following table of year to MUNSELL number:
Year MUNSELL#
1974 4.64PB 2.45/5.47
1980 5.68PB 1.77/2.30
1982 5.70PB 1.85/7.62
1983 5.70PB 2.12/6.49
1984 5.10PB 2.07/6.44
1986 5.64PB 1.19/7.24
These are the chips in the back of Vol 4.
A letter from the Blue Angel Public Affairs Officer to Robert Candler
in August 1980 states that 'Ameron' Jet-glo enamel dark blue satin
blue/flight blue stk. no. 572-511 and 'Ameron' Wildcat yellow/carnival
yellow stk. no 574-570 was being used on the aircraft at that time.
There is no good paper trail on the current F/A-18 Hornets. The best
Messr's Candler and Elliott have come up with ia a letter from a Blue
Angel spokesman stating that Pratt and Lambert supplies the paint, but
which gives no further identification of the colors.
--
Rick DeNatale IPMS/USA 29733.
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Mike Brickman
I believe that the F-18s left the McDonnell Douglas paint shop wearing
automotive lacquers, but I don't think they were made by DeSoto. I'll
ask a friend who worked there and get back to you.
Mike brickman
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