Monogram Me-110
f_troop
In article , me...@ix.netcom.com says...
>
>
>I have been following the Monogram announcements of new releases at the
>IPMS convention and saw no mention of the much awaited (by me) release
>of the Me-110G in 1/48.
>
>Were all those previous postings a tease?
>
>The Fujimi/Mauve kits, well I think they just suck and I was hoping,
>(Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
>
>Any Clues?
>
>ATorano
I saw the test shots at the IPMS Nats, Virginia Beach last month and it looked
great. 1/48th scale, Me110G, scribed panel lines, nice detail. I THINK it's
suppose to be available in October.
PS The retool of the P-51B looked pretty good also, scribed panel lines!
Rick
F Troop
Patrick Scott
But when?
Robert Beach <rbea...@norfolk.infi.net> wrote in article
<4vi742$f...@nw101.infi.net>...
> A. Torano, Monogram-Revell had a sample shot of the kit on display at the
> IPMS-USA Nats in Virginia Beach...and it looked (per MK1 calibrated
> Eyeball) GOOD!
> Respecfully yours in glue,
> Robert Beach
> Norfolk, VA
>
>
Charles Metz
"RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER" <rese...@dhinternet.com> wrote:
>A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo wrote:
> >
> > I have been following the Monogram announcements of new releases at the
> > IPMS convention and saw no mention of the much awaited (by me) release
> > of the Me-110G in 1/48.
> >
> > Were all those previous postings a tease?
> >
> > The Fujimi/Mauve kits, well I think they just suck and I was hoping,
> > (Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
> >
> > Any Clues?
> >
> > ATorano
>
>re-release under the Pro Modeler lable of the old Me-110 with a new box
>art and some new parts. I understand it has dimensional and shape
>problems.
(1) The old Monogram Bf 110 was 1/72, not 1/48.
(2) The forthcoming Monogram 1/48 Bf 110G-4 is all an all-new tooling -- right up
there with the recent He 111 in quality and accuracy, according to what *I've*
heard.
Charles Metz
Robert Beach
RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER
A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo
mike_hanlon
In article <321C86...@dhinternet.com>, "RAYMOND says...
>
>A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo wrote:
>>
>re-release under the Pro Modeler lable of the old Me-110 with a new box
>art and some new parts. I understand it has dimensional and shape
>problems.
Sorry to contradict one as knowledgable as you Mr. H.,
but the new Pro-Modeler Me-110G is in 1/48.
Monogram's previous Me-110E was in 1/72.
The Pro-Modeler kit will be a new tool.
Mike Hanlon
In cyberspace no one can hear you scream.
LrdAzrael
Monogram made a 1/48th Me110... ???
IPMS13690
Jennings Heilig
They had the first test shot on display at the IPMS Convention, and it
looked great. The sprues containing the radars and flame damper
exhausts were separate, indicating at least an earlier G in the works,
and I've also heard Bf-110C banter around. Not sure if that's true or
not, but it would be nice.
Although it will be a ProMod release (I won't get on my soapbox this
time about *that* subject), it *will* be the state of the art in 1/48
Bf-110G nightfighter kits...
Jennings
RMBell
"RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER" <rese...@dhinternet.com> wrote:
>A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo wrote:
> >
> > I have been following the Monogram announcements of new releases at
the
> > IPMS convention and saw no mention of the much awaited (by me)
release
> > of the Me-110G in 1/48.
> >
> > Were all those previous postings a tease?
> >
> > The Fujimi/Mauve kits, well I think they just suck and I was hoping,
> > (Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
> >
> > Any Clues?
> >
> > ATorano
>
>My understanding is that this NEW kit is not NEW at all, but a
>re-release under the Pro Modeler lable of the old Me-110 with a new box
>art and some new parts. I understand it has dimensional and shape
>problems.
Although I did not see one built up, the runners/sprues were displayed at
the VA beach USA/Nationals and looked as good if not better than anything
Monogram has done, certainly on par with the He111 and PBY. I wouldn't
look for it before November.
Milton
Richard A. Chambers
Patrick Scott wrote:
>
> But when?
>
According to Monogram, October along with the PBY-5A.
Rich Chambers
rac...@Infi.net
Dominique Durocher
In article <DwK0q...@midway.uchicago.edu>, Charles Metz
<c-m...@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> >My understanding is that this NEW kit is not NEW at all, but a
> >re-release under the Pro Modeler lable of the old Me-110 with a new box
> >art and some new parts. I understand it has dimensional and shape
> >problems.
>
> (1) The old Monogram Bf 110 was 1/72, not 1/48.
>
> (2) The forthcoming Monogram 1/48 Bf 110G-4 is all an all-new tooling --
right up
> there with the recent He 111 in quality and accuracy, according to what
*I've*
> heard.
I don't know how accurate the shape is, but I can tell you the panels are
engraved, so if it's a reissue, it's been seriously retooled. I do believe
it's a new kits and have to agree it's comparable the the He-111. I'll be
buying this one.
Dom
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MIKE AND LAURIE WEST
In <4vhmsc$i...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> me...@ix.netcom.com(A. Torano E.
de la Fuente R. Lauredo) writes:
>
>
>I have been following the Monogram announcements of new releases at
the
>IPMS convention and saw no mention of the much awaited (by me) release
>of the Me-110G in 1/48.
>
>Were all those previous postings a tease?
>
>The Fujimi/Mauve kits, well I think they just suck and I was hoping,
>(Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
>
>Any Clues?
>
>ATorano
Were you at the Nationals? Monogram had the Me-110 sprues on
display at their booth. I did not get to talk to them but ,Ihave been
told it will be out by years end. Then a ME-410!!!!
Mike West/Lone Star Models
Stephen Tontoni
In article <4vhmsc$i...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, me...@ix.netcom.com(A.
Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo) wrote:
> The Fujimi/Mauve kits, well I think they just suck and I was hoping,
> (Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
>
Ummmm, huh?
I have been very pleased with the newer Fujimi kits and the P40 series by
Mauve. What sucks about them?
Its news to me.
---Stephen Tontoni
Doug Halke
In article <321C86...@dhinternet.com>, "RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER" <rese...@dhinternet.com> says:
>
>A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo wrote:
>>
>> I have been following the Monogram announcements of new releases at the
>> IPMS convention and saw no mention of the much awaited (by me) release
>> of the Me-110G in 1/48.
>>
>> Were all those previous postings a tease?
>>
>> (Sob!Sob!) that the new Monogram kit (Sob!Sob!) would be out soon.
>>
>>
>> ATorano
>
>My understanding is that this NEW kit is not NEW at all, but a
>re-release under the Pro Modeler lable of the old Me-110 with a new box
>art and some new parts. I understand it has dimensional and shape
>problems.
Hi Raymond,
You'd better check your sources. Monogram never produced a Bf/Me110 of
any mark in 1/48 scale. They had a 1/72 scale Me110 , which was re-
released last year as part of their SSP program. No changes were made.
This is to be an entirely *new* kit, produced along the same lines as
their He111 and PBY-5 (engraved lines, better detail, etc.).
The last announcement I saw said October. Can't wait myself as the 110
is one of my few "pet" aircraft!;-)
Cheers,
Doug
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WendiKroy
Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually the
Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
Erich Stein
Dave Williams
I really can't see that as I understand the Mauve kit was the Fujimi
plastic with white metal and PE detail and conversion parts. Monogram
may repackage or modify Revell kits, but they usually don't repackage
other manufacturers kits.
Dave
MIKE AND LAURIE WEST
In <4vkt0q$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wend...@aol.com (WendiKroy)
writes:
>Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually
the
>Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
>
>Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
>
>Erich Stein
Man ain't rumors fun!
The Mauve Me-110 kits were the Fujimi kits with over priced resin
and white metal parts to make it into several different versions. The
sprues of the 1/48 Me-110 I saw at the IPMS (USA for you Brits) was not
the Mauve kit.
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
In article <4vkt0q$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
WendiKroy <wend...@aol.com> wrote:
>Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually the
>Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
>
>Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
Boy, I hope not. the Mauve kit is jsut the old Fujimi kit with some add
ons for the -G version. And though I haven't measured it, I half-assumed
the kit might really be in 1/50 scale.
the earlier msgs that talk about seeing samples suggest that is a new
tool.
Doug Halke
Okay, I've heard a price of $35.00 (believable) and $25.00 (wishful) for the
Monogram Me110G kit due this October. Anybody hear anything more substantial?
Jennings Heilig
WendiKroy wrote:
>
> Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually the
> Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
>
> Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
>
Where does this stuff come from (no flam intended - you're only
stating what you heard)????? Monogram and Mauve? I suppose next
they'll be saying the Ford Expolorer is actually a Zil from Russia
that they just put Ford logos on... sheesh...
Don't believe most of what you hear...
Jennings
SC Lexicat
In article <4vi47m$6...@lex.zippo.com>, Mike Hanlon writes:
>Sorry to contradict one as knowledgable as you Mr. H.,
>but the new Pro-Modeler Me-110G is in 1/48.
>Monogram's previous Me-110E was in 1/72.
Hey, Mike, why are you calling Raymond Mehlberger "Mr H"? Do you know
something we don't?
Simon Craven
Lexicat Ltd
England
Todd Enlund
hal...@cesmtp.ccf.org (Doug Halke) wrote:
>Okay, I've heard a price of $35.00 (believable) and $25.00 (wishful) for the
>Monogram Me110G kit due this October. Anybody hear anything more substantial?
I heard $24.95
Todd Enlund
"Bandits at 3 O'clock"
"Roger. What should I do 'till then?"
PNMoss
<Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually the
<Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
<Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
Enterprises did a fair amount of work on the drawings for the NEW Monogram
molds.
RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER
Call me anything, but late for supper! Yes, when did I become Mr. H??
I also stand corrected on the Me-110!! Mea culpa!! Sounds like it will
be a great kit that I will want.
Big Ray
MIKE AND LAURIE WEST
In <321F72...@dhinternet.com> "RAYMOND J. MEHLBERGER"
I like the Me-110's too but ,I was very dissapointed when DML
dropped their Me-410. I am glad that Monogram is working an a release
of one now .I can hardly wait!
Mike West/ Petrograd Tractor Works and Leather Imporium
KEckhartjr
Just the price of the 110 was all that was bad. If you have never seen
one, the Mauve 110 was a re-issue of the Fujimi 110C with a coversion kit
to do the 110G. I 've heard allot of crying about what a ripoff this was,
but I have one and I have seen it built up and it does look great. You
get some beautiful white meat interior parts, and a nice fret of
photoechted parts along with a great decal sheet. Is it worth the $90.00
it cost me? Probably not, but like most everything in this hobby, I like
it anyway.
Kent
keckh...@rmci.net
In article <4vol85$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
keckh...@aol.com (KEckhartjr) wrote:
>
> Just the price of the 110 was all that was bad. If you have never seen
> to do the 110G. I 've heard allot of crying about what a ripoff this was,
> but I have one and I have seen it built up and it does look great. You
> photoechted parts along with a great decal sheet. Is it worth the $90.00
> it cost me? Probably not, but like most everything in this hobby, I like
> it anyway.
> Kent
>
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Todd Enlund
Jennings Heilig <jhe...@gate.net> wrote:
>they'll be saying the Ford Expolorer is actually a Zil from Russia
>that they just put Ford logos on... sheesh...
I was at the Ford dealer the other day...
Todd Enlund
keckh...@aol.com (KEckhartjr) wrote:
>Just the price of the 110 was all that was bad. If you have never seen
>one, the Mauve 110 was a re-issue of the Fujimi 110C with a coversion kit
>to do the 110G. I 've heard allot of crying about what a ripoff this was,
>but I have one and I have seen it built up and it does look great. You
>get some beautiful white meat interior parts, and a nice fret of
>photoechted parts along with a great decal sheet. Is it worth the $90.00
>it cost me? Probably not, but like most everything in this hobby, I like
>it anyway.
If you were to price all the individual parts in the box:
Fujimi Bf-110 $22.98
Injection conversion parts $25.00
(only available as resin elsewhere)
Etched parts (4 frets @ $4) $16.00
Tubing for gun barrels $8.00
White metal detail parts $25.00
Aftermarket decal sheet $8.00
$104.98
Not far off the $125.00 retail, and quite a bit more than the $65.00
that I paid. Monogram's may be a better deal, and may even be a nicer
kit, but it wasn't available three years ago.
Charles Metz
keckh...@aol.com (KEckhartjr) wrote:
>Just the price of the 110 was all that was bad. If you have never seen
>one, the Mauve 110 was a re-issue of the Fujimi 110C with a coversion kit
>to do the 110G. I 've heard allot of crying about what a ripoff this was,
>but I have one and I have seen it built up and it does look great. You
>get some beautiful white meat interior parts, and a nice fret of
>photoechted parts along with a great decal sheet. Is it worth the $90.00
>it cost me? Probably not, but like most everything in this hobby, I like
>it anyway.
FWIW, usually reliable friends have told me that the Mauve nose doesn't fit the
Fujumi fuselage very well.
Charles Metz
Kevin Witte
Charles Metz (c-m...@uchicago.edu) wrote:
: FWIW, usually reliable friends have told me that the Mauve nose doesn't fit the
: Fujumi fuselage very well.
Neither does the Fujimi nose...
Kev
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mike_hanlon
In article <4vn30a$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, scle...@aol.com says...
>
>In article <4vi47m$6...@lex.zippo.com>, Mike Hanlon writes:
>
>>Sorry to contradict one as knowledgable as you Mr. H.,
>>but the new Pro-Modeler Me-110G is in 1/48.
>>Monogram's previous Me-110E was in 1/72.
>
>Hey, Mike, why are you calling Raymond Mehlberger "Mr H"? Do you know
>something we don't?
>
>Simon Craven
>Lexicat Ltd
>England
Sorry, I misread the name of the questioner. I thought it was Jennings.
By the way what do you think about Revell of Germany's upcoming
1/72nd scale releases? I have just heard that the FW-190D-9 is
actually going to be an A-8.
Mike Hanlon
Han...@uic.edu
In cyberspace no one can hear you scream.
A. Torano E. de la Fuente R. Lauredo
In <4vsjr0$7...@newsgate.duke.edu> witt...@mc.duke.edu (Kevin Witte)
writes:
>Charles Metz (c-m...@uchicago.edu) wrote:
>
>: FWIW, usually reliable friends have told me that the Mauve nose
doesn't fit the
>: Fujumi fuselage very well.
>
>Neither does the Fujimi nose...
>
>Kev
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attempted) one.
ATorano
Doug Halke
In article <321ECA...@gate.net>, Jennings Heilig <jhe...@gate.net> says:
>
>WendiKroy wrote:
>>
>> Early this year I heard that Monogram's upcoming Me-110 is actually the
>> Mauve kit -- that Monogram had purchased the Mauve mold.
>>
>> Does anyone know anything for or against this story?
>>
>
> Where does this stuff come from (no flam intended - you're only
>stating what you heard)????? Monogram and Mauve? I suppose next
>that they just put Ford logos on... sheesh...
>
>
>Jennings
Well, I just made up the rumor that Monogram is buying out Tamiya. Can
anyone verify *this*? ;-)
Cheers
Jennings Heilig
Doug Halke wrote:
>
> Well, I just made up the rumor that Monogram is buying out Tamiya. Can
> anyone verify *this*? ;-)
No, no, no....get it *right*. Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
their new factory in Iceland. The labor costs up there turn out to be
much lower than anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere (long winters
and all that), so the new Airfixiya 1/32 F-4C/D will retail in the
U.S. for $2.99. The old Tamiya (now Airfixiya) 1/48 single engined
fighters are going to be so cheap that Airfix will actually be paying
us to take them. The Airfixogram 1/48 PBY-5A, BTW, will retail for
$.49, and that's the ProModelerfix version!
:)
Lee Griffin
Wow! Great news! With the money I save, I'll be able to buy the entire
line of the upcoming Fujimi 1/24 WWII four-engined bombers. I think
they're going to do a B-58, also. No more problems with vehicle and
plane scale mismatch! Yea!
Lee :)
WendiKroy
> Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
> being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
> their new factory in Iceland.
Sure, but what will they call this new company? Here are some ideas...
Aerogramiya
Tamorelix
Revollorama
Fix-o-Tam-gram
Revello-Fix
Beatrice
Microsoft
ADM, Hobby Shop to the World
;)
Erich
Robert Beach
Man! I was going to accuse youse guys of staying up too late, but
evidently its just a case of MEK poisoning...
Respecfully yours in MEK,
Robert Beach
Norfolk, VA
Michael Kern
What about the news that Lindberg is buying out Hasegawa? That new
Independence Day F/A-18 is actually the Hasegawa 70$+ Hornet, but produced
in Spitsbergen for less cost, under the name Lindegawa...:) :)
> wend...@aol.com (WendiKroy) wrote in article
<4vvi9b$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
> > Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
> > being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
> > their new factory in Iceland.
(snip)
Robert Beach
No-no! Tamiya, pumped up by the outrageous sales of the 1/32 scale
motorized race cars (3 million units a month!) is buying Hallmark simply
to get two competitors with one merger...where do you think all those
wonderful new WWII kits are coming from...?
Muddily,
Robert Beach
Norfolk, VA
Speedy01
In article <3222CC...@gate.net>, Jennings Heilig <jhe...@gate.net>
writes:
> The Airfixogram 1/48 PBY-5A, BTW, will retail for
>$.49, and that's the ProModelerfix version!
Actually, being a Pro ModeLLerfix release, the Airfixogram is being sold
in the US in the Revelimaya box for $49.49. Has a dolphin figure (25 mm,
engraved panel lines) and the instruction sheet was written by J.C.'s
girlfriend.
Gene K
Peter Shyvers
Jennings Heilig wrote:
>
> Doug Halke wrote:
> >
> > Well, I just made up the rumor that Monogram is buying out Tamiya. Can
> > anyone verify *this*? ;-)
>
> being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
> much lower than anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere (long winters
According to the announcement by Airfix management, the reduced manufacturing
costs will be offset by a significant, quality-focused investment on bringing
the Tamiya and Monogram tooling to Airfix standards.
The gentleman who designed the aircraft panel riveting detail for Airfix in
the '60's is coming out of retirement for this assignment...
Mark Lawrence Shannon
WendiKroy wrote:
>
> > Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
> > being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
> > their new factory in Iceland.
>
>
> Aerogramiya
> Tamorelix
> Revollorama
> Fix-o-Tam-gram
> Revello-Fix
> Beatrice
> Microsoft
> ADM, Hobby Shop to the World
>
> ;)
>
> Erich
--
Good grief! How can so many people get the simplest things so #@%&*%$ed up?
Monogram is buying Italeri, Airfix, and Tamiya. They plan to sell the kits under the
name of Italfixya. The molds will be by Airfix, the instructions by Italeri, and the
delivery scheduling by Tamiya divisions.
--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shin...@ix.netcom.com
The good thing about being a pessimist is --
it lets you be pleasantly surprised -- on rare occasions.
terence teo - tango two
Tell me more about the Me-110G, I'm a great fan of this beast as a
nachtjager. Is it going to be any good?
terence teo - tango two
Please tell me more about this kit, I'm interested to know if its the
nachtjager with antler radar array?
Frank Henriquez
In article <5042tc$4...@slider.bme.ri.ccf.org>, model...@stratos.net wrote:
>Okay, *Uncle*! I give up. What's MEK???!!?
Doug, I'm not your uncle...but I'll give it a try:
MORE EXPENSIVE KITS!
The sound a penguin makes before it blows up
Methyl Ethyl Ketone
MExican star trek Kits (to revive an old thread)
--
Frank Henriquez UCLA Astronomy Department
fr...@ucla.edu
tig...@lmsmgr.lerc.nasa.gov
In Article <3222CC...@gate.net>
Jennings Heilig <jhe...@gate.net> writes:
>Doug Halke wrote:
>>
>> Well, I just made up the rumor that Monogram is buying out Tamiya. Can
>> anyone verify *this*? ;-)
>
> No, no, no....get it *right*. Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
>being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
>their new factory in Iceland. The labor costs up there turn out to be
>much lower than anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere (long winters
>and all that), so the new Airfixiya 1/32 F-4C/D will retail in the
>U.S. for $2.99. The old Tamiya (now Airfixiya) 1/48 single engined
>fighters are going to be so cheap that Airfix will actually be paying
>us to take them. The Airfixogram 1/48 PBY-5A, BTW, will retail for
>$.49, and that's the ProModelerfix version!
>
>:)
Sorry guys but you all have been wiffing too much of that lemon scented
Pactra glue!
Actually the leveraged takeover of Monomiya by Airfix is being masterminded
by none other than LINDBERGH!!!
How else could you explain the motorized version of the Me-110 (complete
with electric motors AND "D" cell batteries) and the new tool 1/48 Me-163
with motorized jet sound ala the F-8 and F-100?!
See ya......
Doug Halke
Okay, *Uncle*! I give up. What's MEK???!!?
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WendiKroy
>According to the announcement by Airfix management, the reduced
manufacturing
>costs will be offset by a significant, quality-focused investment on
bringing
>the Tamiya and Monogram tooling to Airfix standards.
>The gentleman who designed the aircraft panel riveting detail for Airfix
in
>the '60's is coming out of retirement for this assignment...
Aggressive cost containment and pro-active downsizing should have a
favorable impact the company's market capitalization and book value,
giving added support to the initial LBO scenario. Besides, the majority
of our stockholders prefer raised panel lines.
Erich
Robert Beach
Doug, its an all-purpose solvent (please pardon my spelling...)
methylethylketone, that is somewhat hazardous but would work as a
p[lastic "cement"...
Respectfully, Robert Beach
Robert Beach
Matthew Y. Hayashibara
hal...@cesmtp.ccf.org (Doug Halke) wrote:
>In article <4vvnpd$u...@nw101.infi.net>, Robert Beach <rbea...@norfolk.infi.net> says:
>>
>>Man! I was going to accuse youse guys of staying up too late, but
>>evidently its just a case of MEK poisoning...
>>Respecfully yours in MEK,
>>Robert Beach
>>Norfolk, VA
>>
>Okay, *Uncle*! I give up. What's MEK???!!?
Methyl-ethyl ketone...
It's a major component of some really noxious industrial solvents
(it's a pretty good solvent on its own) and the ONLY ingredient listed
on every modeler's favorite odor... Testors Liquid Cement!!!
Yup, yup, use with adequate ventilation, lest ye get cancer and many
dead brain cells...
MadMat
making the switch to Micro-Weld
Kevin Carroll
Jennings Heilig wrote:
>
> Doug Halke wrote:
> >
> > Well, I just made up the rumor that Monogram is buying out Tamiya. Can
> > anyone verify *this*? ;-)
>
> No, no, no....get it *right*. Sheesh. Tamiya *and* Monogram are
> being bought out by Airfix and all the molds are being shipped to
> their new factory in Iceland. The labor costs up there turn out to be
> much lower than anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere (long winters
> and all that), so the new Airfixiya 1/32 F-4C/D will retail in the
> U.S. for $2.99. The old Tamiya (now Airfixiya) 1/48 single engined
> fighters are going to be so cheap that Airfix will actually be paying
> us to take them. The Airfixogram 1/48 PBY-5A, BTW, will retail for
> $.49, and that's the ProModelerfix version!
>
> :)
yes, yes..that's all been well documented! but the question remains:
isn't the 1/48 PBY just the old Mauve kit?? or was it the Renwal?
Unknown
In article <3227BA...@mail.idt.net>, Kevin says...
But will the new kits also be released under the Heller label. And what will
the new numbering system be for Humbrologram paints?
Mike S.
repo...@mounet.com
Steve New
>But will the new kits also be released under the Heller label. And
>what will the new numbering system be for Humbrologram paints?
>
>Mike S.
>repo...@mounet.com
In the interest of standardization all new Humbrologram paints will be
numbered as the inverse of the FS number, in cyrillic characters.
Steve L. New
ne...@ix.netcom.com
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway.
J. Heilig
Steve New wrote:
> In the interest of standardization all new Humbrologram paints will > be numbered as the inverse of the FS number, in cyrillic characters.
Nuh uh, they'll be labeled in binary code :)
SC Lexicat
In article <5042tc$4...@slider.bme.ri.ccf.org>, hal...@cesmtp.ccf.org (Doug
Halke) writes:
>Okay, *Uncle*! I give up. What's MEK???!!?
Methyl Ethyl Ketone. Ye one true and original olde worlde liquid cement.
Lovely stuff, but don't tell your health insurer.
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
In article <50fumo$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, scle...@aol.com said...
>Methyl Ethyl Ketone. Ye one true and original olde worlde liquid cement.
>Lovely stuff, but don't tell your health insurer.
Have you had a chance to compare MEK with methylene chloride? I use the latter
on both acrylic and styrene (and also acrylic-to-styrene and on one special
occasion, styrene-to-acrylic) but have not used MEK at all.
Randy
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Matthew Y. Hayashibara
gord...@ix.netcom.com (Randy Gordon-Gilmore) wrote:
>In article <50fumo$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, scle...@aol.com said...
>>Methyl Ethyl Ketone. Ye one true and original olde worlde liquid cement.
>>Lovely stuff, but don't tell your health insurer.
Definitely not... you body doesn't have the chemical transport
mechanisms to dispose of this stuff (complex hydrocarbons). It just
piles up in your liver and kidneys till it stats doing bad things to
your body...
Inhaled fumes, spilled on skin, etc... doesn't matter. Easily pulled
into biological systems, impossible to get rid of. You can see how it
can get concentrated in organisms as you move higher up the food
chain.
>Have you had a chance to compare MEK with methylene chloride?
Ambroid Pro-Weld _IS_ methylene chloride, just as Testors Lquid Cement
is methyl-ethyl ketone. The action of methylene chloride is a lot more
immediate than MEK, it evaporates a LOT faster.
Unfortunately, Pro-Weld comes in a tall, narrow bottle that is very
easy to tip and spill. Bad news for a substance like this...
Don't get me started on CHLORINATED hydrocarbons! Methylene chloride
boils at a STARTLINGLY low temperature, releasing nasty fumes.
>I use the latter
>on both acrylic and styrene (and also acrylic-to-styrene and on one special
>occasion, styrene-to-acrylic) but have not used MEK at all.
I'm having real good luck with the citrus oil solvents... the Krasel
MicroWeld and that stuff that Testors sells. Sure, not as fast, but
they seem to be a lot safer AFAIK (Knocks on wood... I'm still taking
precautions...)
MadMat
Jens Håkon Brandal
mhayas...@ccgate.hac.com (Matthew Y. Hayashibara) wrote:
snip
>Inhaled fumes, spilled on skin, etc... doesn't matter. Easily pulled
>into biological systems, impossible to get rid of. You can see how it
>can get concentrated in organisms as you move higher up the food
>chain.
Bad news for cannibals...(do I really need a smiley for this one?)
Jens
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
In article <50i329$l...@hacgate2.hac.com>, mhayas...@ccgate.hac.com said...
>Ambroid Pro-Weld _IS_ methylene chloride, just as Testors Lquid Cement
>is methyl-ethyl ketone. The action of methylene chloride is a lot more
>immediate than MEK, it evaporates a LOT faster.
We fabricate a lot of acrylic at work, using methylene chloride exclusively.
It does evaporate very quickly, but makes wonderful capillary joints, applied
with a small-gage hypodermic syringe. I don't know about commercial cements; I
use solvents straight from the can. (I much prefer acrylic to styrene for my
machined scratch-build parts; although harder and more brittle, it machines
much cleaner and is stiffer and more stable.)
Will the citrus cements you mentioned give an actual solvent bond (i.e.
dissolve the base plastic enough to squeeze a bead out of the joint?) And how
much longer of a clamping time do they need?
Matthew Y. Hayashibara
gord...@ix.netcom.com (Randy Gordon-Gilmore) wrote:
>In article <50i329$l...@hacgate2.hac.com>, mhayas...@ccgate.hac.com said...
>>Ambroid Pro-Weld _IS_ methylene chloride, just as Testors Lquid Cement
>>is methyl-ethyl ketone. The action of methylene chloride is a lot more
>>immediate than MEK, it evaporates a LOT faster.
>We fabricate a lot of acrylic at work, using methylene chloride exclusively.
>It does evaporate very quickly, but makes wonderful capillary joints, applied
>with a small-gage hypodermic syringe. I don't know about commercial cements; I
>use solvents straight from the can. (I much prefer acrylic to styrene for my
>machined scratch-build parts; although harder and more brittle, it machines
>much cleaner and is stiffer and more stable.)
Yeah, I like acrylic for machined parts better, too. Nylon has its
uses, too, verifying tool paths, freehand practice, and the like. I'd
like to try this machinable wax stuff that's advertised in Machine
Design, it looks interesting for making mold masters and stuff.
I love aluminum, but using a lot of it can get expensive fast!
>Will the citrus cements you mentioned give an actual solvent bond (i.e.
>dissolve the base plastic enough to squeeze a bead out of the joint?)
Yes... the actual "solvent" is the citrus oil, just like in "Fast
Orange", the citrus based paint strippers and citrus-based "Gunk"
engine degreaser, it's supposed to be a much more biorational
susbstance. It smells a lot like fresh oranges, and doesn't bother
anyone anywhere near as much as hydrocarbon based stuff. It really
does melt the plastic.
>And how much longer of a clamping time do they need?
You're looking at five minutes to half an hour depending on the size
of the joint. My favorite strategy is to apply it to both surfaces in
the joint, wait a minute or so, and then firmly press the parts
together and clamp afterwards, always watching the part alignment.
(good to keep a supply of clothespins and alligator clips handy for
clamping). It doesn't appear to hold well at first, but wait overnight
and see what happens. it forms a good bond.
I'm really happy with this stuff, try a bottle of Micro-Weld.
MadMat
Peter Wisniewski
Just a word of warning about Micro-Weld.
I started using it, and I really liked how it worked - especially the
fact that it gave ample time to align the pieces. I don't recommend it
for certain aplications however. I used it to glue halves of a fuel
tank for a truck. The tank was chrome plated. Since I wanted a
seamless tank I stripped the chrome (before gluing it) and Ismoothed and
filled the seam with putty. Then I even polished it. After few days I
noticed that the seam showed some signs of sinkholes (originally I
waited about a week for the glue to evaporate before smoothing the
tank). So I filled and smoothed it again. It looked allright again.
I've sent it to be plated (after anbout one more week) and when it came
back, most of the seam has sunk in again. Micro-weld might be ok for
some applications, but for jobs like my tank I'll only use CA glue in
the future.
Peter