B-36 Camo Scheme Wrap-Up, THANKS! (_VERY_ Long)
EF Hill
Hey all! Here's the total of all the schemes that were
posted to the group that I caught and saved. There's a
few more that were emailed to me at the bottom that I
forgot to save the person's e-mail address or name. I'd
like to thank you all for a HECKUVA fun thread. There
were so many good ideas thrown out that now I'm seriously
contemplating buying more kits of this bird!
So, here we go with the initial post and all of the fo-
llow-ups:
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From elh...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Which B-36 Camo scheme looks coolest?
Okay, so it's never been camo'd in real life. BUT!
I quite frankly suck at NMF finishes no matter how much I
practice and try to be careful. So I'd like to do the
Flying Recycling Center in a camo job. I'm kinda torn
between a couple:
- SEA B-52 style with gloss black underside and sides
- SAC greens/brown with white underside
- New SAC overall Gunship Grey.
Each has its plusses and minuses, the SEA would look
cool because the gloss black would really offset the
came and would be quite easy to do. The white underside
would be even more colorful and contrasting, but I'd
have to be even more careful on the seams and layer the
white paint kinda thick. The overall grey would be VERY
EASY to spray, and I think with modern low vis decals
and with the odd formation light, bare metal flakes,
di-electric panel could be VERY good looking on a B-36.
BTW, I had considered the wrap around lizard scheme, but
in my mind the B-36 would look like a moldy cucumber
with wings.
Lemme know what you guys think and I'll consider your op-
inions with care. Oh, and please don't bother giving me
hints and tips on NMF finishes, it's one of those things
with me like the Charlie Brown and the kite eating tree
sort of affairs. I just plain can't do them worth a damn.
:) I do appreciate the thought and effort, but it'd be
kinda like teaching a pig to appreciate music, it
gets you nowhere, and only annoys the pig. THANKS!
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Andy Hill (the Draken)
"I used to care, but things have changed." -Bob Dylan
ASE Master Auto Tech, Auto Parts Specialist, S-6 Elec.
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From fr...@ucla.edu
(EF Hill) wrote: >- New SAC overall Gunship Grey.
I think this would look the best, as you described.
Maybe add a couple of Sidewinders and a few blade
antennas and bumps.
Frank -- Frank Henriquez Programmer/Analyst Jules
Stein Eye Institute
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From j...@airwaygraphics.com
I'd definitely go with SAC SIOP camo (not SEA colors)
with either a white or a black belly. Okay, so SAC didn't
do the SIOP camo with black, but hey, it's my fantasy,
right? Either way, it'd definitely look cool as crap.
I'm going to be doing my B-49C in SIOP camo (someday)
with the Hound Dog missiles mounted upside down on top
of the wing (like Sidewinders on a Jaguar).
Kinda cool, eh? J
Jennings Heilig Grand Poobah & Imperial High Czar Liver-
ies Unlimited/Air-way Graphics International, LLC P.O. Box
737 Blacksburg, VA 24063-0737 USA
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From: "Stefan P. Banaszak" <tec...@redrose.net
Personally I'd go for Dark Green and Medium Sea Grey over
white like the Vulcan. Add black 'stencil' stars and bars
and 12" high "United States Air Force" on the fuselage.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
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From jeffryf...@hotmail.com
Hi Andy; Why stick with a USAF scheme on this project?
Since you are going to do it up in fictional markings,
why not go with a US Navy scheme? A gull gray topside
over a gloss white underside with the control surfaces
in white. A B-36 or in this case the Navy designation
for whatever the replacement for the PB4Y Privateer wo-
uld be designated and put it in markings for a VP Squad-
ron (Very Heavy). Or you could try for the late fifties/
early sixties livery of gloss white over dark blue. Do
away with the jet engine pods since it would be a patrol
bomber and speed would not be such a critical issue for
dashing over the target. Add a forest of ESM/ECM antennas,
some addtional bulges and bumps, and mount a search light
under the wing and you would have a very impressive look-
ing alternative history B-36.
afn, Jeffry Fontaine Bremerton,
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From: genedi...@my-deja.com
How about an all black B-36? Call it a special night
pathfinder a-la Vickers Valiant. Or call it a special
recon paint job. Use red lettering like the early
B-57 Canberras on a gloss black paint job. Bear in mind
that the use of an all black B-36 would not include N-
weapons though(no anti-flash undersides) so a night re-
con or elint version version would seem realistic. Elint
birds would be festooned with all kind of antennae or
perhaps a special radome somewhere on the fuselage.
Just my opinion. Cool thought though.
Gene DiGennaro Baltimore, Md.
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From maie...@aol.com
If you are going to do a patrol variant please consider
a belly-slung lifeboat. For the PB-36 something about
the size of a tugboat should do the job. :-)
Tom
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From bev...@home.com
How about a high altitude low visibility scheme? White
or light gray or even lt.blue undersides and medium gray
uppers. OR! Do it in its oriinally intended colors, O.D.
and gray and Army AirCorps instead of USAF markings?
Without the jets, of course.
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From ron...@NOSPAMstad.dsl.
What about converting it in a fictional touring vehicle
of some famous pop band? Like the Rolling Stones for ex-
ample. In a seventies style psychedelic colour scheme in
bright colours and graffity with a huge Rolling Stones
logo on the vertical stabilizer. You know the mouth and
tongue logo. And a big red tongue under the nose.
Ron.
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[Ed. note: Even better, all over gloss black with a
gloss white Playboy Bunny on the tail! Maybe it would
be a perfect example of Freudian psych and a true ex-
ample of a phallic symbol? Penis (size) envy?]
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From cro...@northnet.net
Build it as a gun-ship ala the AC-130 Spectre. It would
predate the AC-130... so I'd call it a AC-36 Spirit
Chris Crofoot
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From mar...@optonline.com
Why stop with the camo - that long fuselage would be
perfect for some extended nose art ala the Dragon and
his tail. You might also consider an experimental ver-
sion - theres a B-52 at Davis Monthian with all red
scheme with a cross grid of white and many squadron/
project insignia. Don't know the story behond this one
but it must have been interesting.
Val Kraut
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From d...@dana-nield.com
Serious Reply: All White as in the early RAF V-Force paint
Scheme. Not so Serious Reply: Thunderbirds scheme.
Cheers! Dana
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From: "Chris B-R" <alga.g...@gte.net
My suggestion: FedEx/UPS Heavy Lift Cargo. Turn the
nose into an opening cargo door. I think the purple &
white scheme of FedEx would look really sharp. Or, if
you want to try doing some creative masking, go for a
USPS Heavy Lift, with the Postal Eagle on the tail. Run
a few dozen windows down the side and you've got a huge
airliner, opening up all sorts of livery ideas. Can you
imagine what it would be like flying in the belly of a
B-36 airliner, LA to Tokyo?
Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Illustrator Internet Modeler
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From: "Sirius" <sir...@gtn.net
Well, since it was designed during WWII, why not go
with OD over neutral gray? Or the prewar blue and yel-
low? (Don't nobody say "B-10".)
Jeff
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From mmaro...@sprynet.comNOSPAM
Well I've read this whole thread and it's very interest-
ing. My $.02 is for a camo version in the European Dk.
Green/Lt. Green/Gray overall scheme as on the A-10. My
other choice is how about Red/White scheme for a B-36
converted into a firebomber.
Please let us know what you decide.
Mark M
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From fr...@ucla.edu
>Think I would like to see the LB-36 used in the early 60s Lifting Body
>trials. Scott
You mean, a B-36 fuselage (without wings) dropped from
a B-52 (or another B-36)? "Say there, Ned, heard that
'nother one of those B-36 Lifting bodies just augered
in!" "Yup. 50 feet under the desert. They're getting
better though - this one was all of 10 degrees from ver-
tical when it hit." It would explain why so few B-36s
seem to have survived the 50's...
Frank -- Frank Henriquez Programmer/Analyst Jules Stein
Eye Institute, UCLA
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From jdyo...@mindspring.com
(SnJmodprod) wrote:
>Think I would like to see the LB-36 used in the early
>60s Lifting Body trials. Scott
Early in the program. there was some consideration given
to using a B-36 as the launch vehicle for the X-15. It
would have been mounted in the bomb bays a'la the X-1/2.
James From hobby.i...@swipnet.se
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From: "Hobby-Importen (Jens Lindell)"
<hobby.i...@swipnet.se
How about an low altitide "Viggen" scheme?
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From rene...@wxs.nl
And how about a NASA color scheme? White over grey with
a blue banner and the NASA logo on the tail?
René.
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From crapo...@aol.comfkspm
Well, probably the SEA scheme. Me personally, I'm doing
mine in German five color lozenge! 8^)
Keeper (of too much crap)
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From rmb...@aol.comnospam
[…in reference to the lozenge scheme just mentioned]
Now that's going a little too far. I prefer Desert Storm
markings with a whole bunch of Mavericks hanging from
pylons under the wings!
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From ch1...@earthlink.net
Hey Andy, None of these are appropriate because most
of the colors or their ANA equivalents were not USA(A)F
standard at the time. Also, pretending that the B-36
had a role after the U-2 was shot down is silly. And
that's basically what the modern schemes you describe
imply. For a high altitude aircraft, every pound (and
it would likely be closer to a ton or two) of surface
coating is a foot less ceiling of absolute performance.
Pick 'B-17 OD (34031+34087)' with 'Glacier Blue White
(35622)' Splinter and 'Azure Med Blue' for a WWII Reich
Buster. Put tractor tread landing gear on and give it
a 48th scale B-24 tail and twin, single-barrel, 37mm,
nose turrets. Stick an XP-77 (no GB= no jets) parasite
or two on a trapeze in the aft bomb bay and start buy-
ing up the worlds collection of True Details 500-1,000lb
bombs (actually, only about 8 of the latter for an Ice-
land radius, maybe as few as four for a Labrador or
Maine round trip). Black is traditionally the worst poss-
ible color for high altitude flight because it soaks
heat unevenly, wears to a very draggy matte, 'iron ball',
fairly quickly, and quite simply increases the 'airplane
shaped hole in the sky' distance at which the aircraft
can be acquired against the literally glowing terminator
or the bright-cloud undertones. Very Rich yet pastel,
PRU type, blues and purples are better and you could
pretend that that Arado E.555 was a threat to Iceland
and so the Big Sticks had to be rolled off into a huge
dispersals area and put under Hollywood Spread camo nett-
ing for the white-green topside to be 'effective'.
Otherwise go NM tops or 'ACor Grey' (=roughly 36270)
ala the later Starfighters etc. because Air to Air 'Look
Down' conditioning sure as heck wouldn't matter to 99.99%
of the existant fighters of that time, jets included.
Ta-283 or Lippisch L.10 ramjets with supersonic cutoff
turns and AI cued rockets would be about your only hope.
Kurt Plummer
P.S. One other thought... If Boeing had 'tanked' on the
707 there might have been a need for a fairly efficient
_turboprop_, high altitude, refueler replacement for the
slow KC-97 or even ASW hunter for an early 60's type
'350mph blimp' in guarding the SLOCs or as SIOP tanking
for BUFF's over-pole. Either of which would let you do
the P-3 or Original KC schemes of white over grey.
Doesn't get much simpler than that but that wing design
is going to be pretty draggy and the maintenance (and
the amount of modification) of the bomber airframe for
a utility follow on would be stupendous.
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From a000...@airmail.net
Tiger meet scheme! Can you imagine how long a tiger you
could get on that sucker!
Doug
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From: Carlos....@lerc.nasa.gov
I can't remember the last time I read EVERY last post to
a particular thread but this one did it. It's good to know
that there are LOTS of modelers out there that are into
the "what if" stuff. I think this kind of thing is what
keeps the hobby fun. I think everyone should crank out
a totally fictitious work at least once in their modeling
career. It would prolly keep AMS at bay and keep the hobby
enjoyable. I like the suggestion someone made about a
rock band scheme on the '36. It reminded me of the gaudy
formation ships of WW2 (like Shep's B-24). Imagine a B-36
painted up in some of those colors?!!! Aack!!!
Carlos
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Here are the summarized 'also rans' that were e-mailed to
me and I've lost the respondants e-mail address and or
name:
- Blue Angels Fat Albert
- GUPPY VERSION!!!! Make one helluva overhead section and
there you go!
- Aeroflot Transport [Ed. note: That WOULD look cool at
an contest!]
- Northwest Airlins Cargo; silver, solar cap, blue stripe
and massive red tail!
- Air Superiority Grey with a buttload of Phoenix missiles
- Bulbous nose and tail domes, AWACS and UK Roundels with
a 'hemp' scheme
- Pathfinder version ala WWII where it would be polka dots
- UK target towing scheme: Upper half green/grey and
underside yellow/black diagonal stripes
Thanks everyone for all of the suggestions, you've made
the whole decision even HARDER! But I must admit, you've
also spurred the old imagination and made the decision it-
self a bit FUNNER!
THANKS FOLKS!
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